KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Shadow: Did you ever answer my question about #44? Also what is your read on Rhand?
tom: Do you have any other reads besides Grape?
Grape: Talk to me about tom. You seem to be scumreading him for scumreading you because info, but he's not. Is there something I'm missing there, or did you miss the post where he gave his reason?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Wisp's mostly just blankvoted and did some other stuff that haven't felt AI. His votes haven't felt like they've had behavioral reasons, just gameflow reasons/reaction reasons (which don't say much about his alignment). All in all, a lot of things that aren't AI in a row makes me weary.
if someone hasn't done anything AI, maybe place them in your null section???
like how the **** do you read this whole game and end up on Rhand?
how is his interaction with Shadow the worst thing you've seen this game?
and me who has done nothing AI?
like how the **** do you read this whole game and end up on Rhand?
how is his interaction with Shadow the worst thing you've seen this game?
and me who has done nothing AI?
Do you have some specific grievance about that post or do you disagree with my conclusions? What makes you disagree? Who am I wrong on? Why am I wrong on them?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
the first half is just IIOA
your removing of teams has some merit, but it is still very shallow
it's literally a poor reason to justify the PoE you ended up with as more likely
Pizza guy is a town lean because he removed a vote in RVS? ok
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Like I said, the removing vote thing felt natural, plus I think his response to me at the beginning of the game, in light of my mistake, didn't feel malicious.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
His vote/conversation with me wasn't as bad as others are saying.
I think Rhand hit the nail on the head about Pizza's unvote in RVS.
The wagon that popped up on him didn't feel right.
And I feel like there's a good chance of scum being there on that wagon.
the first point is just a giant discredit of everyone's thoughts
point two is ok? but you are voting the person who said that? but doesnt make him town
point 3 doesnt actually say anything
"I feel like there is a good chance of mafia on his train" is just shade
and you vote either of the people that push that train, or the people who are currently on it
can we please kill this? like the disconnect here is unreal
His vote/conversation with me wasn't as bad as others are saying.
I think Rhand hit the nail on the head about Pizza's unvote in RVS.
The wagon that popped up on him didn't feel right.
And I feel like there's a good chance of scum being there on that wagon.
the first point is just a giant discredit of everyone's thoughts
point two is ok? but you are voting the person who said that? but doesnt make him town
point 3 doesnt actually say anything
"I feel like there is a good chance of mafia on his train" is just shade
and you vote either of the people that push that train, or the people who are currently on it
can we please kill this? like the disconnect here is unreal
The first point is a disagreement of others thoughts. People can be wrong and still be compenent scumhunters.
Rhand doesn't have to be town to correctly townread someone? It could be TMI, it could just be fake townhunting. It doesn't make him town.
The third point is an opinion that is coloring my read on him, that's true. But it might not be correct.
"I feel like there's mafia on that train" is a response to the wagon popping up suddenly/my townread of Pizza.
I don't think Rhand pushed the wagon. No, he did the opposite.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
His vote/conversation with me wasn't as bad as others are saying.
I think Rhand hit the nail on the head about Pizza's unvote in RVS.
The wagon that popped up on him didn't feel right.
And I feel like there's a good chance of scum being there on that wagon.
the first point is just a giant discredit of everyone's thoughts
point two is ok? but you are voting the person who said that? but doesnt make him town
point 3 doesnt actually say anything
"I feel like there is a good chance of mafia on his train" is just shade
and you vote either of the people that push that train, or the people who are currently on it
can we please kill this? like the disconnect here is unreal
The first point is a disagreement of others thoughts. People can be wrong and still be compenent scumhunters.
Rhand doesn't have to be town to correctly townread someone? It could be TMI, it could just be fake townhunting. It doesn't make him town.
The third point is an opinion that is coloring my read on him, that's true. But it might not be correct.
"I feel like there's mafia on that train" is a response to the wagon popping up suddenly/my townread of Pizza.
I don't think Rhand pushed the wagon. No, he did the opposite.
WTF are you doing?
wtf are you talking about?
I know he didnt push the wagon?
but you think there is scum on the wagon? you like Rhand's thoughts on Sunglasses?
but you end up voted Rhand? I know I have a habit of mis-interpreting things but like wtf?
His vote/conversation with me wasn't as bad as others are saying.
I think Rhand hit the nail on the head about Pizza's unvote in RVS.
The wagon that popped up on him didn't feel right.
And I feel like there's a good chance of scum being there on that wagon.
the first point is just a giant discredit of everyone's thoughts
point two is ok? but you are voting the person who said that? but doesnt make him town
point 3 doesnt actually say anything
"I feel like there is a good chance of mafia on his train" is just shade
and you vote either of the people that push that train, or the people who are currently on it
can we please kill this? like the disconnect here is unreal
The first point is a disagreement of others thoughts. People can be wrong and still be compenent scumhunters.
Rhand doesn't have to be town to correctly townread someone? It could be TMI, it could just be fake townhunting. It doesn't make him town.
The third point is an opinion that is coloring my read on him, that's true. But it might not be correct.
"I feel like there's mafia on that train" is a response to the wagon popping up suddenly/my townread of Pizza.
I don't think Rhand pushed the wagon. No, he did the opposite.
WTF are you doing?
wtf are you talking about?
I know he didnt push the wagon?
but you think there is scum on the wagon? you like Rhand's thoughts on Sunglasses?
but you end up voted Rhand? I know I have a habit of mis-interpreting things but like wtf?
Yes I think there's very likely scum on the wagon.
But my gut is telling me it's you and Rhand,
It could be grape and Rhand. It could be you and grape. It could be you and Rhand. It could even be Tom or shadow. But things that have happened make me lean towards you and Rhand.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
So here I am
With my heart in my hands
Searching for the chance
To be something more
I fear that it's gone
And I've tried my best to hold on
But I'm slipping now
With no one to catch me
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
This is the part
Where I should tell you
How good I'm doing
How everything's okay
But the truth is
I can't remember the times
When I felt anything
Other than hatred and pain
well I need to find a coping mechanism to control my emotions, so I guess this will be it
it's either that or I will probably have to stop playing mafia for the time being
Day 1 Lynch Deadline will be 10 AM MST on Saturday, February 29th, whether or not the host is around. It will then be twilight until the host is conscious and able to officially end the Day.
like how the **** do you read this whole game and end up on Rhand?
how is his interaction with Shadow the worst thing you've seen this game?
and me who has done nothing AI?
This sticks out the most. He followed me on your wagon calling it “spicy” and considering I don’t recall him ever explaining his follow on me, it would make sense that vote WAS a little AI.
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Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
That's not panic that's anger, I just lost a two month game because of poor reading, rhands alignment doesn't even matter here, it just angers me that killjoy read this whole game and concluded Rhand was the best vote, it makes literally no sense to me
And again I am stuck with, is this just bad town or a wolf
I don’t get how that thought process made you end up on me KJ.
It's not a "this plus this plus this makes Rhand scum" deal. I found your reason for voting shadow bad-> speculating on his buddy also bad, and more likely to come from scum than Grape's kind of awkward defense against tom and last's non ai play up to then.
What do you think of Wisp jumping to your defense?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I am not giving him a town lean, if u want to argue him off the table for today, sure? but that's kind of stupid in a micro
he goes from trying to understand to jumping the gun over and over, so I can't get a grasp on his mindset here
Killjoy makes this wall about, shades the pizza wagon, then concludes Rhand/Me because ???
and just now he explained why Rhand, which is perfectly fine, but that never crossed my mind, so like when I see, a random vote on Rhand I am just confused, I see someone either maliciously pushing things, or just not correctly evaluating the game
plus it was a complete disconnect from who I thought he should have ended up voting
also I hate being PoE'd, talks about how my posts are not AI, and somehow I end up as a scum lean?
it makes no sense
and then I have to work harder to understand his mindset
and pizzaguy's conclusion is even more shallow, so like ya
"He GoT eMoTiOnAl ToWaRdS rHaNd, ObViOuS mAfIa BuDdIeS"
why would I care about one vote on my partner, so stupid
Don't have a read on Rhand yet, but thats not going to stop me from arguing Killjoy's conclusion is weak
if he had said what he had said now, it would've been better, because I could then look back at Rhand's posts and be like, "Ya I can see this"
I wanna see your flip more than his tbh. I’m more sold on you being scum than rhand. but if he’s right, sure. If he’s wrong he will be questioned and looked at.
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I wanna see your flip more than his tbh. I’m more sold on you being scum than rhand. but if he’s right, sure. If he’s wrong he will be questioned and looked at.
but if he is wrong? so if I flip town, which I will? you will then look at him?
is this like a weaker version of chainsawing?
Last rabbit holing against KJ having a read on Rhand that he thinks is bad is...just kinda dumb. I’m not sure what it’s purpose is if he’s scum.
Pizza voting everyone in the game is bad, and I want to lynch him, but I’m wavering slightly. I will reread sometime later today and figure out if I still think he’s scum.
@KJ: I didn’t like 44 at the time, it felt like missing the forest through the trees (whether intentionally or not).
tom: Do you have any other reads besides Grape?
Grape: Talk to me about tom. You seem to be scumreading him for scumreading you because info, but he's not. Is there something I'm missing there, or did you miss the post where he gave his reason?
Vote Rhand
are you actually a wolf here? tell me the truth
how is his interaction with Shadow the worst thing you've seen this game?
and me who has done nothing AI?
if the claim vig is a wolf, or even town, we can lose with one mislynch
I think?
Do you have some specific grievance about that post or do you disagree with my conclusions? What makes you disagree? Who am I wrong on? Why am I wrong on them?
your removing of teams has some merit, but it is still very shallow
it's literally a poor reason to justify the PoE you ended up with as more likely
Pizza guy is a town lean because he removed a vote in RVS? ok
Pizza guy is a town lean because of purity.
the first point is just a giant discredit of everyone's thoughts
point two is ok? but you are voting the person who said that? but doesnt make him town
point 3 doesnt actually say anything
"I feel like there is a good chance of mafia on his train" is just shade
and you vote either of the people that push that train, or the people who are currently on it
can we please kill this? like the disconnect here is unreal
Rhand doesn't have to be town to correctly townread someone? It could be TMI, it could just be fake townhunting. It doesn't make him town.
The third point is an opinion that is coloring my read on him, that's true. But it might not be correct.
"I feel like there's mafia on that train" is a response to the wagon popping up suddenly/my townread of Pizza.
I don't think Rhand pushed the wagon. No, he did the opposite.
WTF are you doing?
I know he didnt push the wagon?
but you think there is scum on the wagon? you like Rhand's thoughts on Sunglasses?
but you end up voted Rhand? I know I have a habit of mis-interpreting things but like wtf?
@Everyone
But my gut is telling me it's you and Rhand,
It could be grape and Rhand. It could be you and grape. It could be you and Rhand. It could even be Tom or shadow. But things that have happened make me lean towards you and Rhand.
How is this unclear?
it's either that or I will probably have to stop playing mafia for the time being
Grapefruit21 (2) - tomsloger, SunglassesCoolPizzaGuy
SunglassesCoolPizzaGuy (2) - Grapefruit21, shadowlancerx
Killjoy (1) - Lastwhisper
Rhand (1) - Killjoy
shadowlancerx (1) - Rhand
Day 1 Lynch Deadline will be 10 AM MST on Saturday, February 29th, whether or not the host is around. It will then be twilight until the host is conscious and able to officially end the Day.
With 7 players in the game, it takes 4 to lynch.
vote lastwhisper
His response to killjoy feels desperate in a way that lastwhisper knows more than A townie should.
I read the whole recent interaction as such:
EXTRA! EXTRA! READ ALL ABOUT IT
Mafia nerd, KILLJOY, nails RHAND/WHISP scum team!
PANIC FROM THE WHISP. (FIVE posts in a row. (News at 11)
this is
This sticks out the most. He followed me on your wagon calling it “spicy” and considering I don’t recall him ever explaining his follow on me, it would make sense that vote WAS a little AI.
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
And again I am stuck with, is this just bad town or a wolf
This game is going to just be me trying to evaluate poor votes, isn't it?
I don't get how he gets to Rhand, so I am trying to figure it out, his team removals are shallow, which maybe he believes them, idk yet
And then I get placed on a team with Rhand, because ???
What do you think of Wisp jumping to your defense?
why was that an afterthought?
unvote
he goes from trying to understand to jumping the gun over and over, so I can't get a grasp on his mindset here
Killjoy makes this wall about, shades the pizza wagon, then concludes Rhand/Me because ???
and just now he explained why Rhand, which is perfectly fine, but that never crossed my mind, so like when I see, a random vote on Rhand I am just confused, I see someone either maliciously pushing things, or just not correctly evaluating the game
plus it was a complete disconnect from who I thought he should have ended up voting
also I hate being PoE'd, talks about how my posts are not AI, and somehow I end up as a scum lean?
it makes no sense
and then I have to work harder to understand his mindset
That being said, your anger is not swaying me at allllll.
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
"He GoT eMoTiOnAl ToWaRdS rHaNd, ObViOuS mAfIa BuDdIeS"
why would I care about one vote on my partner, so stupid
if you think Killjoy is correct, then why are you splitting the votes? explain to me, why you wouldn't just put Rhand at L2 here?
if he had said what he had said now, it would've been better, because I could then look back at Rhand's posts and be like, "Ya I can see this"
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
is this like a weaker version of chainsawing?
Last rabbit holing against KJ having a read on Rhand that he thinks is bad is...just kinda dumb. I’m not sure what it’s purpose is if he’s scum.
Pizza voting everyone in the game is bad, and I want to lynch him, but I’m wavering slightly. I will reread sometime later today and figure out if I still think he’s scum.
@KJ: I didn’t like 44 at the time, it felt like missing the forest through the trees (whether intentionally or not).
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I’ll have more when I reread.