What exactly is your read of KJ, independent of Tom?
You have said you'd happily barn him because your confidence in his skill, would you do this even if you disagree with his read? The term "forced to" seems to indicate that.
Just off impressions I'm leaning town on KJ. So that's why I have reservations about lynching him without reading deeply and finding my own reasons. I plan on doing that tonight because that will determine which of us is getting lynched.
See I hope it's clear how this is a problem. You are once again expressing your willingness to blindly a player without formulating your own thoughts and then even if you think they're town, on their say so. And you don't even seem too certain on Tom's alignment?
Mm, I think it's pretty clear I wasn't willing to blindly follow without formulating my own opinion. I do have a pretty high rating for Tom being town, but it's largely dependent on him being right about KJ.
Yes, that's like definition reaching. Have you considered you may be tunneling?
I mean. Yes. Several times. In thread.
Despite that, I also have to consider that if others are seeing it too, and if I keep getting more reasons, I'm on to something. If not, live and learn - you've already claimed that your role, assuming is town, won't be a huge loss to us.
I can already see now how this is gonna go down. I'm gonna flip town, Tom's gonna say "see, I told you. We needed to lynch KJ."
Then you're gonna lynch KJ. He's gonna flip town. Then Tom's gonna say "Oh man I can't believe it I was so sure."
Then you're gonna lynch Tom. He's gonna flip town. Sloth and Flarg will have a falling out and try to lynch each other. Both town.
I don't really have any desire to lynch Sloth and I'm pretty hard on Tom as Town actually. Some of the stuff w/r/t him on me is too authentically grumpy townie to be faked imo.
Given the progression (or lack thereof) on the wagons, I think you and KJ are same alignment.
If you flip town then I'm betting KJ is too and I think I look at low posters and maybe KCC?
@Anyone: Does this forum have decent ISO functionality? Can I see # of posts in thread per player?
Ftr flarg still hasnt even pretended to give an actual read on kj.
Like, zero words in his iso about why kj is town and lots about why i shouldnt be listened to and yet it somehow presents as a strong townread of kj in all his actions
Hes now added some kind of game state read where hes saying the wagons are the same alignment thats just
Well i dont think i need to say why this is scummy in v/w wagons and im having trouble seeing someone that so intentionally and intrinsically <something rude about refusing to accept that people play differently from each other> even making that sort of read in the first place.
Just finished ISOing Rhand, Tubba, and Grape - it's nutty to me that anyone TRs Tubba. He's taken so few stances outside of KJ/Zion/Jack. I would actually be totally okay with a CFD here.
Rhand seems fine, his analysis of the wagons in his big post seems pretty accurate.
Grape is nullish but good enough for now. I hate his lack of push between Jack and sheeping tom onto KJ but the posts all read tonally genuine so it's kind of a wash.
Ftr flarg still hasnt even pretended to give an actual read on kj.
Like, zero words in his iso about why kj is town and lots about why i shouldnt be listened to and yet it somehow presents as a strong townread of kj in all his actions
Hes now added some kind of game state read where hes saying the wagons are the same alignment thats just
Well i dont think i need to say why this is scummy in v/w wagons and im having trouble seeing someone that so intentionally and intrinsically <something rude about refusing to accept that people play differently from each other> even making that sort of read in the first place.
I definitely have said it before, but I'll state it again. I'm not really strongly reading KJ either way. I think the case on him doesn't really have merit but it's not because I townread KJ, it's just because I think the case is flawed.
I don't get why you're so pissed about this. I'm one player in a 15p game, if you don't get my vote, then so what? That's not "refusing to accept people play the game differently" - if I don't want to play the game on meta, why can't you accept that. You can still get to 8 without me if enough people agree with you. You can't just redefine "acceptance" to be "sheep me and/our don't argue with my case".
Ftr flarg still hasnt even pretended to give an actual read on kj.
Like, zero words in his iso about why kj is town and lots about why i shouldnt be listened to and yet it somehow presents as a strong townread of kj in all his actions
Hes now added some kind of game state read where hes saying the wagons are the same alignment thats just
Well i dont think i need to say why this is scummy in v/w wagons and im having trouble seeing someone that so intentionally and intrinsically <something rude about refusing to accept that people play differently from each other> even making that sort of read in the first place.
I can already see now how this is gonna go down. I'm gonna flip town, Tom's gonna say "see, I told you. We needed to lynch KJ."
Then you're gonna lynch KJ. He's gonna flip town. Then Tom's gonna say "Oh man I can't believe it I was so sure."
Then you're gonna lynch Tom. He's gonna flip town. Sloth and Flarg will have a falling out and try to lynch each other. Both town.
Then we lose.
No offense, but why are you not pushing a non-KJ wagon harder?
I can already see now how this is gonna go down. I'm gonna flip town, Tom's gonna say "see, I told you. We needed to lynch KJ."
Then you're gonna lynch KJ. He's gonna flip town. Then Tom's gonna say "Oh man I can't believe it I was so sure."
Then you're gonna lynch Tom. He's gonna flip town. Sloth and Flarg will have a falling out and try to lynch each other. Both town.
Then we lose.
No offense, but why are you not pushing a non-KJ wagon harder?
I definitely have said it before, but I'll state it again. I'm not really strongly reading KJ either way. I think the case on him doesn't really have merit but it's not because I townread KJ, it's just because I think the case is flawed.
I don't get why you're so pissed about this. I'm one player in a 15p game, if you don't get my vote, then so what? That's not "refusing to accept people play the game differently" - if I don't want to play the game on meta, why can't you accept that. You can still get to 8 without me if enough people agree with you. You can't just redefine "acceptance" to be "sheep me and/our don't argue with my case".
Your words/actions are really out of whack. How can you not have a read on a major wagon that you've spent a decent chunk of posts defending? Picking at a case is still a defense of the slot.
Just finished ISOing Rhand, Tubba, and Grape - it's nutty to me that anyone TRs Tubba. He's taken so few stances outside of KJ/Zion/Jack. I would actually be totally okay with a CFD here.
Rhand seems fine, his analysis of the wagons in his big post seems pretty accurate.
Grape is nullish but good enough for now. I hate his lack of push between Jack and sheeping tom onto KJ but the posts all read tonally genuine so it's kind of a wash.
@Flarg
That’s a bold statement from a guy with no real stance outside of “ANYONE but KJ is scum for whatever reasons suit my argument at the time”. Earlier you asked about KJ’s meta. Now it’s irrelevant. You wanna claim I have taken no stance? I’ve taken a pretty big one, one that I’ll have to live and die with. Aside from handwaving and shifting focus what have you got?
A flimsy Zionite read with no push and casual shade for people not of your viewpoint?
Look at this man’s ISO, folks. His pretty verbiage hides a sinister nature. In what world do the two town wagons get to L-2 and one of the doesn’t get dumped? Saying that if Zi is town KJ is too is a cop out. You get to nuke Zi, and keep extolling KJ’s innocence.
That kj point was illustrative of a larger pattern, but that was about two early instances where he disagreed with a read but made pronouncements on the alignment of the people making the read. The bit where townkj would keep going is... exactly what were doing. I dont need an example of me or kj doing it because townkj is a bit like you in this respect. Probably not this thoroughly especially for RVSish reads, but that overall theme is a large part of the metaread.
Could also point to his more recent read of grape which just palpably peters to a stop
I sort of still feel that one of KJ or Zion has to die today though since everyone has some take on this, and it is clearly going to run the whole game if not solved to some degree today, but happy to discuss other options since no point wasting time.
This right here is one of the main reasons we are not CFDing toDay. Stop suggesting it.
Sorry im being unwelcoming and bullying to people that play differently to me again.
Everyone is, of course, welcome to ignore whatever part of the game they want
Wow people have a very extreme idea of what bullying is around here if you think this is something to apologize for lol.
Regarding Flarg, you know that a Zion flip will probably provide more insight into his alignment/motivations than anything else, right?
Sorry im being unwelcoming and bullying to people that play differently to me again.
Everyone is, of course, welcome to ignore whatever part of the game they want
Wow people have a very extreme idea of what bullying is around here if you think this is something to apologize for lol.
Regarding Flarg, you know that a Zion flip will probably provide more insight into his alignment/motivations than anything else, right?
I definitely don't think it's bullying or anything that strong, but ngl it's a pretty rough D1 to walk into where it seems like a lot of the thread is meta-ing people based off years of familiarity and I've gotten some pretty harsh pushback on being unwilling to read over old games to try and meta people. Unwelcoming is actually a good choice of words there.
Ok, what the hell.
We've gone to one joking post about CFD shortly before I left to 3-4 players seriously discussing who to CFD.
Once again, CFD should never be an option if there are valid wagons - especially valid contentious wagons. This muddles everything.
Can't help but notice that this particular line of thinking started here:
It feels like the zion vs kj camps are all pretty set. Maybe a few stragglers and they should both self pres
But
And hear me out here
I think we could probably CFD to johnny. Decent chance to flips scum
Afaik theres no one townreading him
Fits on a lot of teams (admittedly better with scumzion or v/v wagons)
But i think hes the most viable if we do and id be
Well
A fair amount less happy than kj lynch but a fair amount more happy than watching zion flip town :fingercrossed:
Through the influence of one player that's usually followed.
It also occurs to me that these posts came almost immediately in response to #1071, also around the time where Tom seemed to switch tactics about convincing me to go for KJ on #1078 (this is just an impression I got), and almost seem like they are offering a third alternative to a Z lynch since the KJ alternative is not being accepted.
@flarg
Why should tubba be not townie? What about the two trains we have right now???
Tubba has been fine, not lock town, but like from what I've read I don't see anything malicious as of yet, don't warrant blatant shade like from you
I don't get why you're so pissed about this. I'm one player in a 15p game, if you don't get my vote, then so what? That's not "refusing to accept people play the game differently" - if I don't want to play the game on meta, why can't you accept that. You can still get to 8 without me if enough people agree with you. You can't just redefine "acceptance" to be "sheep me and/our don't argue with my case".
im not pissed, im disappointed.
Im having a blast in this back and forth with sloth. Youre just being useless about it. Id be delighted if you argued with my case.
I don't get why you're so pissed about this. I'm one player in a 15p game, if you don't get my vote, then so what? That's not "refusing to accept people play the game differently" - if I don't want to play the game on meta, why can't you accept that. You can still get to 8 without me if enough people agree with you. You can't just redefine "acceptance" to be "sheep me and/our don't argue with my case".
im not pissed, im disappointed.
Im having a blast in this back and forth with sloth. Youre just being useless about it. Id be delighted if you argued with my case.
Ok, what the hell.
We've gone to one joking post about CFD shortly before I left to 3-4 players seriously discussing who to CFD.
Once again, CFD should never be an option if there are valid wagons - especially valid contentious wagons. This muddles everything.
Can't help but notice that this particular line of thinking started here:
It feels like the zion vs kj camps are all pretty set. Maybe a few stragglers and they should both self pres
But
And hear me out here
I think we could probably CFD to johnny. Decent chance to flips scum
Afaik theres no one townreading him
Fits on a lot of teams (admittedly better with scumzion or v/v wagons)
But i think hes the most viable if we do and id be
Well
A fair amount less happy than kj lynch but a fair amount more happy than watching zion flip town :fingercrossed:
Through the influence of one player that's usually followed.
It also occurs to me that these posts came almost immediately in response to #1071, also around the time where Tom seemed to switch tactics about convincing me to go for KJ on #1078 (this is just an impression I got), and almost seem like they are offering a third alternative to a Z lynch since the KJ alternative is not being accepted.
So. Gotta ask.
Tom, ya wolfin'?
yes im always a wolf in my heart, etc
In my mind zion is the alternative to the <correct> kj lynch so thats what im offering an alternative to.
But no i wasnt being serious there, except that i would currently rather a dead johnny than a live one
I definitely don't think it's bullying or anything that strong, but ngl it's a pretty rough D1 to walk into where it seems like a lot of the thread is meta-ing people based off years of familiarity and I've gotten some pretty harsh pushback on being unwilling to read over old games to try and meta people. Unwelcoming is actually a good choice of words there.
Dude, I'm new too - and I can guarantee I'm not planning to read a SINGLE past game on this site unless I 100% no-other-choice have to (or unless it's Vaimes' GoT game).
It's probably more content and perception. Work on game solving.
You gonna do a wall/link me to one?
Speaking of, aren't several players pending providing that? Our two current wagons included.
I definitely don't think it's bullying or anything that strong, but ngl it's a pretty rough D1 to walk into where it seems like a lot of the thread is meta-ing people based off years of familiarity and I've gotten some pretty harsh pushback on being unwilling to read over old games to try and meta people. Unwelcoming is actually a good choice of words there.
Dude, I'm new too - and I can guarantee I'm not planning to read a SINGLE past game on this site unless I 100% no-other-choice have to (or unless it's Vaimes' GoT game).
It's probably more content and perception. Work on game solving.
You gonna do a wall/link me to one?
Speaking of, aren't several players pending providing that? Our two current wagons included.
If people want to shade me for not gamesolving enough, that's more or less fair, but I did lead one of the two big wagons so *shrug*
No, I think walls are the epitome of quantity over quality and it's pretty clear at this point that we only have two potential lynches so I don't think it's useful.
@sloth: What does "no cfd" mean? Are you saying that no other wagons should start today?
Also I won't be walling today. Turns out family came into town and took all the time I was gonna spend on posting today. Now I'm at work until tomorrow. I'm off the next two days though so **soon** for sure.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm going to be honest. I've completely checked out of the last however long. I'm completely committed to sheeping tom on this. If KJ flips town then by all means come for my scalp tomorrow but I don't really have much else to say right now. I could try to dissect the wagons but I'm not moving my vote so it feels a bit wasted.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@sloth: What does "no cfd" mean? Are you saying that no other wagons should start today?
CFD (Chinese Firework Day) is, as I remember, essentially foregoing all arguments and cases made on a strong wagon thus far to just essentially pick a target and voting them off in as random as manner as possible in mafia.
I loathe it honestly, but I have seen it work.
Except in this instance. We have contending wagons, and one has to be resolved. Losing our focus muddles and loses the game. I go over this more in #1119 and #1123.
I mean, if I'm a counterwagon to Zionite why'd it take so long? Zionite got a bunch of pressure early, with almost no pushback.
This is not really a point, honestly. It doesn't matter when a counterwagon rises so long as one does - and yours did, as I already said, around the midpoint of the Day.
If anything one raising immediately to protect Zionite would be very damning if Z still gets the lynch and flips red. Plus there was also the chance that scum!Zionite would have been able to get out of the chopping block on his own without his teammates being forced to show their hands.
None of this is a guarantee, but it does show that, yes, the timing does not matter, so long as there is one.
Yeah Zion Appouch here is weird to me as well. Him saying he would rather die over KJ who could still be scum here. Is not really a thought I expect to see.
I understand not wanting to vote him but wanting to die over a potential town if you know that you are certain town is just top tier defeatism.
Interesting that Lastwhisper isn't mentioned in regards to "joke" posts, @FlargBlarg. Especially since you did mention a run-away vote train on LW is beneficial to you for reads. Why does LW get a pass?
Doubling down now, I see. Anyone else wanna see where this goes? Vote Lastwhisper
Apperently I quoted the wrong posts before.
So I suppose my question wasn't clear enough. I noted from these two posts that in response to something that could potentially be scummy came immediate and kind of aggressive suspicion. Is this typical for you?
Here's the two quotes.
So I felt these two posts felt sinister, as a villain would. I later reword it here.
He explains it as "Well I was gonna to but decided against it" which I accepted due to the fact that he started RPing in cell chat pregame. When reading later I realized that what he was saying didn't feel like prison RP. So I asked him to clarify, which he did and it was nothing like what he was doing so I pressed him further, then later asked him for games to check to see if that was normal for him.
I don't really see what you mean by feeling sinister. They sound lawyerly to me in like they are trying to set traps, but I don't see anything there that would make think it's a voice or a RP. And I'm still struggling to wrap my head around the idea that you asking about his RP would really help you solve him there.
Anyway if there was another question I missed please ask again.
I'm not refusing to vote KJ, I just object to being forced to do anything, especially when I disagree. And then he flips town and I get lynched later anyway. What would be the point?
I'm not refusing to vote KJ, I just object to being forced to do anything, especially when I disagree. And then he flips town and I get lynched later anyway. What would be the point?
man just like Tom, without shallow thoughts of black and white
Killjoy flipping town does not make me a wolf, and it doesn't mean we just piledrive Tom, and it does not mean that you just have to die
Seriously man, you know your alignment, not Killjoy's, so your life is always worth more
Add that to KJ townreading Zion as well in this situation. I would expect one of the two to go for the other as either faction. Since the chance of them being scum over you will s higher and well self pre.
I don't know how to read that apart from them both being town because if one scum you vote other without mercy. If both are scum surely you bus.
Overall though both are still in my lower end with KJ being higher chance of town This stance on each other just amazes me though is that normal on this site.
Mm, I think it's pretty clear I wasn't willing to blindly follow without formulating my own opinion. I do have a pretty high rating for Tom being town, but it's largely dependent on him being right about KJ.
K.
Then you're gonna lynch KJ. He's gonna flip town. Then Tom's gonna say "Oh man I can't believe it I was so sure."
Then you're gonna lynch Tom. He's gonna flip town. Sloth and Flarg will have a falling out and try to lynch each other. Both town.
Then we lose.
Given the progression (or lack thereof) on the wagons, I think you and KJ are same alignment.
If you flip town then I'm betting KJ is too and I think I look at low posters and maybe KCC?
@Anyone: Does this forum have decent ISO functionality? Can I see # of posts in thread per player?
Im exclusively mobile so i do it by playing in chrome and using internet explorer in desktop mode for that + easier isoing
But
Slothful - 163
Killjoy - 159
Vaimes - 139
tomsloger - 121
Lastwhisper - 120
FlargBlarg - 67
Gentleman Johnny - 61
Zionite - 48
YWFMLF - 48
KittyCupCake - 41
Grapefruit21 - 39
Jackrito - 34
Rhand - 27
Tubba Fett - 23
shadowlancerx - 10
ZeDorkSlipeur - 3
Like, zero words in his iso about why kj is town and lots about why i shouldnt be listened to and yet it somehow presents as a strong townread of kj in all his actions
Hes now added some kind of game state read where hes saying the wagons are the same alignment thats just
Well i dont think i need to say why this is scummy in v/w wagons and im having trouble seeing someone that so intentionally and intrinsically <something rude about refusing to accept that people play differently from each other> even making that sort of read in the first place.
Everyone is, of course, welcome to ignore whatever part of the game they want
Rhand seems fine, his analysis of the wagons in his big post seems pretty accurate.
Grape is nullish but good enough for now. I hate his lack of push between Jack and sheeping tom onto KJ but the posts all read tonally genuine so it's kind of a wash.
I definitely have said it before, but I'll state it again. I'm not really strongly reading KJ either way. I think the case on him doesn't really have merit but it's not because I townread KJ, it's just because I think the case is flawed.
I don't get why you're so pissed about this. I'm one player in a 15p game, if you don't get my vote, then so what? That's not "refusing to accept people play the game differently" - if I don't want to play the game on meta, why can't you accept that. You can still get to 8 without me if enough people agree with you. You can't just redefine "acceptance" to be "sheep me and/our don't argue with my case".
you got it
I feel like I have but no one read it.
Sloth, V/LA is vacation/limited access. I was raised on DLP, but sadly born on MafiaScum where I first learned the term. Your words/actions are really out of whack. How can you not have a read on a major wagon that you've spent a decent chunk of posts defending? Picking at a case is still a defense of the slot.
@Flarg
That’s a bold statement from a guy with no real stance outside of “ANYONE but KJ is scum for whatever reasons suit my argument at the time”. Earlier you asked about KJ’s meta. Now it’s irrelevant. You wanna claim I have taken no stance? I’ve taken a pretty big one, one that I’ll have to live and die with. Aside from handwaving and shifting focus what have you got?
A flimsy Zionite read with no push and casual shade for people not of your viewpoint?
Look at this man’s ISO, folks. His pretty verbiage hides a sinister nature. In what world do the two town wagons get to L-2 and one of the doesn’t get dumped? Saying that if Zi is town KJ is too is a cop out. You get to nuke Zi, and keep extolling KJ’s innocence.
I'll give it another look.
Regarding Flarg, you know that a Zion flip will probably provide more insight into his alignment/motivations than anything else, right?
Mafia scum is your home site? That explains a lot
@zion
What do you want to expect to happen? you almost have to self-preserve on to KJ, if the trains don't change
I definitely don't think it's bullying or anything that strong, but ngl it's a pretty rough D1 to walk into where it seems like a lot of the thread is meta-ing people based off years of familiarity and I've gotten some pretty harsh pushback on being unwilling to read over old games to try and meta people. Unwelcoming is actually a good choice of words there.
We've gone to one joking post about CFD shortly before I left to 3-4 players seriously discussing who to CFD.
Once again, CFD should never be an option if there are valid wagons - especially valid contentious wagons. This muddles everything.
Can't help but notice that this particular line of thinking started here: Through the influence of one player that's usually followed.
It also occurs to me that these posts came almost immediately in response to #1071, also around the time where Tom seemed to switch tactics about convincing me to go for KJ on #1078 (this is just an impression I got), and almost seem like they are offering a third alternative to a Z lynch since the KJ alternative is not being accepted.
So. Gotta ask.
Tom, ya wolfin'?
Why should tubba be not townie? What about the two trains we have right now???
Tubba has been fine, not lock town, but like from what I've read I don't see anything malicious as of yet, don't warrant blatant shade like from you
I’m going to be painkiller tubba, should be a blast
Im having a blast in this back and forth with sloth. Youre just being useless about it. Id be delighted if you argued with my case.
In my mind zion is the alternative to the <correct> kj lynch so thats what im offering an alternative to.
But no i wasnt being serious there, except that i would currently rather a dead johnny than a live one
It's probably more content and perception. Work on game solving.
You gonna do a wall/link me to one?
Speaking of, aren't several players pending providing that? Our two current wagons included.
No, I think walls are the epitome of quantity over quality and it's pretty clear at this point that we only have two potential lynches so I don
If people want to shade me for not gamesolving enough, that's more or less fair, but I did lead one of the two big wagons so *shrug*
No, I think walls are the epitome of quantity over quality and it's pretty clear at this point that we only have two potential lynches so I don't think it's useful.
I don't understand your last sentence?
On the rest, noted, but disagreed.
(Your post got screwed up, it looks like.)
Yeah that's why I feel forced. I don't like it. I'd rather go down for playing scummy than KJ going down because Tom says so.
Also I won't be walling today. Turns out family came into town and took all the time I was gonna spend on posting today. Now I'm at work until tomorrow. I'm off the next two days though so **soon** for sure.
Tom: why is gj so low? I want your take there.
The only reason I want to agree with no cfd, is solely because I don't want a repeat of Seasons Mafia
Plus Zion just stated he is ok with himself being lynched over KJ, which boggles my mind
I'm saying one of us is for sure town, and it's likely both of us are town, from my perspective. So it's a losing proposition.
I loathe it honestly, but I have seen it work.
Except in this instance. We have contending wagons, and one has to be resolved. Losing our focus muddles and loses the game. I go over this more in #1119 and #1123.
Also, are you able to at least address this?
I understand not wanting to vote him but wanting to die over a potential town if you know that you are certain town is just top tier defeatism.
I don't really see what you mean by feeling sinister. They sound lawyerly to me in like they are trying to set traps, but I don't see anything there that would make think it's a voice or a RP. And I'm still struggling to wrap my head around the idea that you asking about his RP would really help you solve him there.
Anyway if there was another question I missed please ask again.
Killjoy flipping town does not make me a wolf, and it doesn't mean we just piledrive Tom, and it does not mean that you just have to die
Seriously man, you know your alignment, not Killjoy's, so your life is always worth more
I don't know how to read that apart from them both being town because if one scum you vote other without mercy. If both are scum surely you bus.
Overall though both are still in my lower end with KJ being higher chance of town This stance on each other just amazes me though is that normal on this site.