Tom. We’ve been playing together for god knows how long. And I have done well as town. I even caught you In Token. Granted nobody listened to means we lost.
so why do you think I am wrong about Johnny now?
yes, i think my posting clearly indicates i think you are wrong town...
And frankly, even if you were to flip town i dont think id care about your <100% omgus> reads
We're both better town than that
these aren’t omgus reads. You were pushing me as vaimes partner up until I had to point out his pressure on my wagon EoD. He even coached you to vote me instead of Zion. You, Tom.
So you just ignored that and pushed for me at the VERY start of the day.
Johnny has been trying to manipulate the narrative into something more scummy.
I can’t stress enough that I am not infusing, I am using my knowledge of the game to find out who scum is.
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You have literally pushed everyone that wanted to lynch you and townread literally everyone that didnt since the moment you replaced in.
That is not solving
Period
I put into a pile those that wanted town KCC dead. Since I know her alignment, it was easy to see who was pushing for a mislynch and who was not. That IS solving, dear Tomlove
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You have literally pushed everyone that wanted to lynch you and townread literally everyone that didnt since the moment you replaced in.
That is not solving
Period
I put into a pile those that wanted town KCC dead. Since I know her alignment, it was easy to see who was pushing for a mislynch and who was not. That IS solving, dear Tomlove
oh you looked at that?
Why not post about it?
How did you come to the conclusion that <all 6 scum were pushing you and none of the townies>?
Hey rod
If youre town:
Vaimes voted you, maybe the rest pushed you as well. Doesnt seem super likely, id expect them to spread out a bit.
So along with vaimes there could be:
Another wolf that... treated you like vaimes did with a vote eod2 but no substantive push (jack)
A wolf that actually pushed you (me or ywf mostly, but johnny too)
A wolf that mostly ignored you (flarg, johnny again)
A wolf that read the extremely obvious roadmap to getting townread by you this game and pocketed (zds but i dont believe that, jack again)
FTR, after you said scumtom always pushed you i looked. In the 9 games ive been a wolf that you were in
4 ignore
2 pocket
0 push
And 3 you were also a wolf
2 powerwolf
1 bus
I saw 1 game in there (i think it was an OTG game but idr now) where you got mislynched d1 with an all town wagon
Your most recent town game was both wolves (me/kj) actively townreading you
Im not sure i have a point for this post. Odds are decent, by statistics as well as my experience, that there was 1-2 wolves on you and 1-2 off day 2. Regardless of your alignment really. Youre as tempting a bus target as you are a mislynch, for the exact same reasons.
I dont think youre a wolf with ywf or johnny.
For ywf that is about her push. For johnny, the way kcc treated him during her meltdown early d2.
Ive already said why i dont think vaimes naked vote on you isnt clearing at all.
From your slots side, what youve been doing is too easy if youre scum. And similar to kcc very antispewy. Thats not to say townyou isnt capable of being that shallow, or that townkcc would have peft any unalignments, but its not a great sign when its that consistent from the slot.
From your slots side, what youve been doing is too easy if youre scum. And similar to kcc very antispewy. Thats not to say townyou isnt capable of being that shallow, or that townkcc would have peft any unalignments, but its not a great sign when its that consistent from the slot.
...but more than being a way of playing the game thats just easier for scum, its really hard to make connections.
Of the people that voted you at any point, the ones you pushed the least were vaimes and jack (not counting Zion because he died, but maybe i should because you pushed last the mason substantially more than any of those 3)
Could see that being a connection if youre a wolf
From kcc, there was a pretty active chainsaw onto zds after his flarg case. And then pretty much dropped it once hed fakeclaimed and was no longer in danger.
Could see that as a connection as well. Especially as youve followed it up with *****ty townreads of him.
Rod/flarg
Rod/jack
Flarg/Johnny
^^^
These are my most likely teams.
Basically just went over the two rod teams. Would be a little disappointed in them if its just the first one. And disappointed in zds if its the second lol
Was thinking about flarg/johnny a bit before Johnny started voting kpaca, and i can more or less see this as a big swing in response to what would be an all town voting block from cell D so leaving it top tier
Flarg/jack
Flarg/ywf
Gj/jack
Gj/ywf
Jack/ywf
^^^
These all seem ~possible
But nothing really pointing me there?
Second one would probably be top tier but for my gut on ywf
4th would be pretty odd. All 3 scum on rod for multiple days could be a plan to subvert votals, but its pretty shortsighted from a "winning in lylo" perspective
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These teams i am currently not considering:
ZDS as a wolf
Rod/gj
Rod/ywf
yes, i think my posting clearly indicates i think you are wrong town...
And frankly, even if you were to flip town i dont think id care about your <100% omgus> reads
We're both better town than that
What the **** happened to lynching players we think are scum?
All tom and Johnny have proven in the last couple pages is that Rod has been playing poorly, which is... completely irrelevant and not a valid reason for a lynch. It is a great source of mislynches, though!
It should be no surprise why I put my trust in Jack and Rod. We've been looking for scum and it turns out the pool of suspects is not that big.
Only thing I somewhat regret is when they mention me as the drive behind some of their reads, which leads to the false impression they are purely "riding on my coattails". They are not, but now because of that it looks like the Johnny/tom pair is looking at Jack like he's deliciously juicy and not that high up the tree.
Come to think of it, I'll have to check if these two ever made a serious push against a non-soft(ened) target, besides maybe KJ (who they softened themselves).
yes, i think my posting clearly indicates i think you are wrong town...
And frankly, even if you were to flip town i dont think id care about your <100% omgus> reads
We're both better town than that
What the **** happened to lynching players we think are scum?
All tom and Johnny have proven in the last couple pages is that Rod has been playing poorly, which is... completely irrelevant and not a valid reason for a lynch. It is a great source of mislynches, though!
It should be no surprise why I put my trust in Jack and Rod. We've been looking for scum and it turns out the pool of suspects is not that big.
Only thing I somewhat regret is when they mention me as the drive behind some of their reads, which leads to the false impression they are purely "riding on my coattails". They are not, but now because of that it looks like the Johnny/tom pair is looking at Jack like he's deliciously juicy and not that high up the tree.
Come to think of it, I'll have to check if these two ever made a serious push against a non-soft(ened) target, besides maybe KJ (who they softened themselves).
that is sarcasm in response to rod asking me why i think he wrong...
Rod is the one voting someone he thinks is town
Please tell me about jack contributing to your worldview. Dont think hes put an original thought in thread today?
To be clear here: i dont think i have jack lower than null. Take worldbuilding out of the equation and hes a light townread. But hes the only player in the game i have no unalignments for and that is a bit worrisome this late. As is diminishing motivation.
Ive generally liked his tone. Townread him for awhile. His slot feels worse as the game gets smaller.
Id lynch him over johnny still, but pretty easy swap there if rod were to flip town. And i wouldnt actually lynch either over rod OR kpaca
Even with you, mr top town read, as its clear leader.
Youre operating fully as a unit in lategame. Essentially a second scumteam except out in the open and potentially overlapping
Maybe id be more ok with it if i saw the cellchat. Maybe id see some thoughts from the two of them that arent either *****ty shallow omgus or <just zds thoughts>
Look, Tom. Babe. I get it. We differ in opinions. I’m not the worst player ever to mafia. If I was I wouldn’t be playing this game.
I seee behavior that indicates scum. Esspexually from Johnny (yes that’s a typo. No I’m not fixing it)
You probably aren’t the lynch today but I’ll keep my vote off of kpaca to prove I don’t want him lynched. To satisfy your grumbling and for the future Poe.
Here I am. Confident rodemy. It’s adorable isn’t it?
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Jackrito's participation in the cell chat:
I'm oversimplifying everything and focusing on his original thoughts, ask him directly for better details.
N1: Had a scum read on Grape and a scum read on Flarg. Had a case ready on Flarg but I ended up ninjaing him.
N2: Suggests scum are in control (later says tom is in control). Describes his own meta as: taking control through risky play as scum, acting as support as town.
N3: Opens the chat by complaining about the quick Day, being frustrated about the game state (too many players in the common PoE still alive), and scumreading Johnny for his hammer. [Context from that point on: I'm dumping the game's entire voting history into the chat] First to point out Johnny's Rodemy vote killed the Vaimes and tom wagons. Suggests Vaimes was angry at scum-tom for wasting a mislynch. First to point out Johnny's tendency to vote like tom.
N4: Didn't post at all.
Bonus: Rod was the first to aggressively push a Johnny vote.
To summarise, I understand why it seems like I'm leading cell D but that is not actually the case at all. Both Jack and Rod have sharp minds and are an active part of our collective brainstorming. They are not blindly following me, far from it.
Bonus 2: I don't know how we can be said to be "operating fully as a unit" when we have legendary vote-hopper Rodemy among us.
Ah yes. Youre not operating as a unit because rodemy followed your vote twice then moved to me (shocking, the only person actively pushing him. Who could have seen that coming?) after being called out for voting someone he thinks is town (but not until you also said it was bad because you thought i was doing it and ignoring him doing same)
How silly of me to suggest
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Would be cool if jack had done more of that where i could see it, but even from your pov hes done absolutely nothing with/since the scumflip? Is that NOT worrisome?
Are those nights correct and he spent n3 talking about connections to an unflipped vaimes?
Has rodemy given any thoughts in cellchat that arent "pushing rodemy = scum"?
Bonus: Rod was the first to aggressively push a Johnny vote.
I don't think there is a single person here who that was news for.
I am glad that Jack can post in such an environment where one of his cellmates is posting maybe once a day, and the other is tunneled into everyone apart from his and his cellmate. In the real world outside of your cell, he is doing nothing. Like, why does he give a **** about short days if he isn't doing anything and already has his wolf team? If anything, he should be eagerly voting just go et back into private discussions with his core town to figure out who to be wrong on next.
Not gonna lie. This doesn't really mean jack*****. We can't see it. So sure maybe it helps your POV but it doesn't do anything. It's hearsay. It's inadmissible. Jack needs to get here and make the arguments himself.
yes, i think my posting clearly indicates i think you are wrong town...
And frankly, even if you were to flip town i dont think id care about your <100% omgus> reads
We're both better town than that
What the **** happened to lynching players we think are scum?
All tom and Johnny have proven in the last couple pages is that Rod has been playing poorly, which is... completely irrelevant and not a valid reason for a lynch. It is a great source of mislynches, though!
It should be no surprise why I put my trust in Jack and Rod. We've been looking for scum and it turns out the pool of suspects is not that big.
Only thing I somewhat regret is when they mention me as the drive behind some of their reads, which leads to the false impression they are purely "riding on my coattails". They are not, but now because of that it looks like the Johnny/tom pair is looking at Jack like he's deliciously juicy and not that high up the tree.
Come to think of it, I'll have to check if these two ever made a serious push against a non-soft(ened) target, besides maybe KJ (who they softened themselves).
that is sarcasm in response to rod asking me why i think he wrong...
Rod is the one voting someone he thinks is town
Please tell me about jack contributing to your worldview. Dont think hes put an original thought in thread today?
To be clear here: i dont think i have jack lower than null. Take worldbuilding out of the equation and hes a light townread. But hes the only player in the game i have no unalignments for and that is a bit worrisome this late. As is diminishing motivation.
Ive generally liked his tone. Townread him for awhile. His slot feels worse as the game gets smaller.
Id lynch him over johnny still, but pretty easy swap there if rod were to flip town. And i wouldnt actually lynch either over rod OR kpaca
Not shocked the push on me is starting already have to get that mislynch set up for tomorrow on me or Rod. You criticise me for not having a original thought but at this point in the game those are just game throwing if you push them. Who would you like me to push ZDS or YWF who I town read. Kpaca and rod just feel like mislynchs at this point if that was the scum team with Vaimes I would be depressed as hell.
Your lack of ever suspecting Johnny no matter what he does is what makes you clear to me as a scum team, wolfs have clearly being trying to powerwolf this from the start. Its not lost on me who you both push always turns into a mislynch. In my world view one of you has to die today to half clear the other. I'm not wasteing my time on another potential mislynch. If we are wrong on one of you two we lynch one of rod or kpaca tomorrow. I only see the scum teams as both of you or both of them.
yeah from what you are saying zds, it sounds like jack could be scum and I am wrong about Tom.
He hasn’t participated much and how sure are you about ninjaing that case? Did he say you did or did he post after you?
How you flip all the time and have this weird paranoia is why I can never fully townread you. I came up with most of the flarg case back at a point when I had a lot more motivation for this. You can check this yourself in the cell chat.
I'm still not voting you today because I want to believe this is just bad town play and not has scum agenda, I don't know why you only come across good in cell chat like I said to you N2.
I would say a whole scumteam pushing the same thing before lylo is reasonably rare.
At least from competent scum that know that know thinking ahead only one mislynch at a time is how you lose games.
I also cant see thinking im scum with vaimes full stop. Jacks theory you posted there assumes scumvaimes anger eod2 was real which is frankly ludicrous. And his complete abandon of rodemy to push me instead the following day is *to me* obvious opportunism. As was voting me after sloths <case that i am tom of either alignment> but thats more personal and what made me start thinking vaimes wasnt town...
Johnny is whatever at this point. Youre very right hes consistently followed me. Even his rhand wagon i joined d2 was based on my read. Im unclear how that became me voting with him but thats also whatever because i love talking to johnny in a good mood. Thats as fun as vaimes when hes town or rod when hes not being useless
Idk maybe there was a point where johnny said something i agreed with that i hadnt said myself yet but i dont remember it happening.
Id like to hear the reasoning that took that from scumjohnny pocketing tom to w/w?
Especially jacks, though id take yours too
(Rodemy i already know thinks teambuilding is scummy and is only omgus anyway)
yes, i think my posting clearly indicates i think you are wrong town...
And frankly, even if you were to flip town i dont think id care about your <100% omgus> reads
We're both better town than that
What the **** happened to lynching players we think are scum?
All tom and Johnny have proven in the last couple pages is that Rod has been playing poorly, which is... completely irrelevant and not a valid reason for a lynch. It is a great source of mislynches, though!
It should be no surprise why I put my trust in Jack and Rod. We've been looking for scum and it turns out the pool of suspects is not that big.
Only thing I somewhat regret is when they mention me as the drive behind some of their reads, which leads to the false impression they are purely "riding on my coattails". They are not, but now because of that it looks like the Johnny/tom pair is looking at Jack like he's deliciously juicy and not that high up the tree.
Come to think of it, I'll have to check if these two ever made a serious push against a non-soft(ened) target, besides maybe KJ (who they softened themselves).
that is sarcasm in response to rod asking me why i think he wrong...
Rod is the one voting someone he thinks is town
Please tell me about jack contributing to your worldview. Dont think hes put an original thought in thread today?
To be clear here: i dont think i have jack lower than null. Take worldbuilding out of the equation and hes a light townread. But hes the only player in the game i have no unalignments for and that is a bit worrisome this late. As is diminishing motivation.
Ive generally liked his tone. Townread him for awhile. His slot feels worse as the game gets smaller.
Id lynch him over johnny still, but pretty easy swap there if rod were to flip town. And i wouldnt actually lynch either over rod OR kpaca
Not shocked the push on me is starting already have to get that mislynch set up for tomorrow on me or Rod. You criticise me for not having a original thought but at this point in the game those are just game throwing if you push them. Who would you like me to push ZDS or YWF who I town read. Kpaca and rod just feel like mislynchs at this point if that was the scum team with Vaimes I would be depressed as hell.
Your lack of ever suspecting Johnny no matter what he does is what makes you clear to me as a scum team, wolfs have clearly being trying to powerwolf this from the start. Its not lost on me who you both push always turns into a mislynch. In my world view one of you has to die today to half clear the other. I'm not wasteing my time on another potential mislynch. If we are wrong on one of you two we lynch one of rod or kpaca tomorrow. I only see the scum teams as both of you or both of them.
ive suspected johnny a few times throughout this game but he was only my top choice d2 up until the case on kcc and not after so that vaguely makes sense as a stance.
What makes you think rod and flarg are mislynches?
How are you eliminating johnny/flarg
Ive pushed a single mislynch by my memory, and then a dead wolf, a dead sk, and unflipped rod and flarg.
So calling bull***** on "everyone you push ends up a mislynch"
This is not me pushing you. This is me dismissing the garbage townread of you/trying to understand it. Im saying youre null with no unalignments based on the posting i can see and thats
Factual
The simple solution here remains rod/flarg and rods cellmates are being dumb
The harder solutions involve one of them being town and the other being a wolf with (probably) johnny or jack.
For 1.5 out of 2 of those sentences cell block d will lose this game for us.
Not that im not excited for a loss not to be my fault anymore, but im gonna need zds to actually think about his cellmates or, if he has and just decided the rest of the game didnt need to hear about it, ******* tell us
I... kind of dont believe rodemy is townier in cellchat. But that may be because of how shallow he is in thread.
I do believe jack is. I just dont think thats very meaningful and zds' description of it doesnt sound very impressive anyway
All that and i still couldnt honestly tell you jack is a wolfread.
He still doesnt enter my thoughts for whos scum until i start trying to build teams or think about how scary D is
Cant really bring myself to give many *****s about rod or kpaca either. Rods got a lot of posts but only one premise. Kpaca doesnt even have posts.
My scumreads are kcc and flarg. Theres a huge gap between those slots and anyone else.
I didn't think you did it on purpose. I think you didn't care about the flip.
if I was scum you bet your ass I’d care about the flip. I love knowing what we killed as scum.
So as town, you don't care then?
Like it's clear you didn't think the role was relevant, or inquired about who the partner(s) were. I have to guess what to make of that. You saw the mason keyword, I assume. Why did you think trying to find the partner (if you didn't know the entire block was clear) wasn't relevant to this point in the game?
never said it wasn’t. Just thought last wasn’t it. Putting words in my mouth. Super scummy, GJ
This whole thing reeks of scumJohnny
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He was creating a narrative that I didn’t care who the masons were and “thought it wasn’t relevant to the point of the game. Things I never implied nor said.
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Hey rod lets pretend for a minute that suspecting you isnt the wolfiest thing possible.
Since, yknow, it isnt.
Give me a single thought about johnny
Lol, you wouldn't know scumJohnny if it bit you in the ass, wore your skin as a suit and tried to make out with your daughter.
But thank you for reminding me about this. Tell me since you apparently think this was a fix:
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Name: Steven Alpers
Cell: C
Profession: Network Administrator
Most recent conviction(s): Coorporate Fraud, theft
Alignment: Town
Role: Mason - Cell C contains only Town Masons.
Did you really read the whole pm, and not look one sentence deeper?
yes, i think my posting clearly indicates i think you are wrong town...
And frankly, even if you were to flip town i dont think id care about your <100% omgus> reads
We're both better town than that
What the **** happened to lynching players we think are scum?
All tom and Johnny have proven in the last couple pages is that Rod has been playing poorly, which is... completely irrelevant and not a valid reason for a lynch. It is a great source of mislynches, though!
It should be no surprise why I put my trust in Jack and Rod. We've been looking for scum and it turns out the pool of suspects is not that big.
Only thing I somewhat regret is when they mention me as the drive behind some of their reads, which leads to the false impression they are purely "riding on my coattails". They are not, but now because of that it looks like the Johnny/tom pair is looking at Jack like he's deliciously juicy and not that high up the tree.
Come to think of it, I'll have to check if these two ever made a serious push against a non-soft(ened) target, besides maybe KJ (who they softened themselves).
that is sarcasm in response to rod asking me why i think he wrong...
Rod is the one voting someone he thinks is town
Please tell me about jack contributing to your worldview. Dont think hes put an original thought in thread today?
To be clear here: i dont think i have jack lower than null. Take worldbuilding out of the equation and hes a light townread. But hes the only player in the game i have no unalignments for and that is a bit worrisome this late. As is diminishing motivation.
Ive generally liked his tone. Townread him for awhile. His slot feels worse as the game gets smaller.
Id lynch him over johnny still, but pretty easy swap there if rod were to flip town. And i wouldnt actually lynch either over rod OR kpaca
Not shocked the push on me is starting already have to get that mislynch set up for tomorrow on me or Rod. You criticise me for not having a original thought but at this point in the game those are just game throwing if you push them. Who would you like me to push ZDS or YWF who I town read. Kpaca and rod just feel like mislynchs at this point if that was the scum team with Vaimes I would be depressed as hell.
Your lack of ever suspecting Johnny no matter what he does is what makes you clear to me as a scum team, wolfs have clearly being trying to powerwolf this from the start. Its not lost on me who you both push always turns into a mislynch. In my world view one of you has to die today to half clear the other. I'm not wasteing my time on another potential mislynch. If we are wrong on one of you two we lynch one of rod or kpaca tomorrow. I only see the scum teams as both of you or both of them.
The bolded conflicts. Here is a game day. Stop playing defense and show your cards. Also, your worldview is only slightly less trashy trash than Rodemys.
He was creating a narrative that I didn’t care who the masons were and “thought it wasn’t relevant to the point of the game. Things I never implied nor said.
It seemed like you didn’t care about the flip cause 3 or 4 people had to capslock it at you to actually read it to see the people you were calling scum at the time had been cleared by it
He was creating a narrative that I didn’t care who the masons were and “thought it wasn’t relevant to the point of the game. Things I never implied nor said.
what ywf said. You needed to be told that an infuriating number of times
I read it wrong at first too. I figured it out. Dont agree at all with Johnny thats a thing thats scummy, but it was frankly ridiculous and i dont find him pushing it that weird.
It does show me you cared more, in that moment, about making your point than about that point being correct. Thats the sort of thing people find scummy.
Does Johnny know you better than that? Does he typically read you well?
Kpaca/Jack most likely wolf team.
Rod is slightly outside of that
ZDS/YMv is the town, but tinfoil. ZDS slightly higher town read.
tom is almost certainly green checked.
Not really seeing anyhthing to change that worldview, apart from debating adding Rodemy to mental ignore.
Hey rod lets pretend for a minute that suspecting you isnt the wolfiest thing possible.
Since, yknow, it isnt.
Give me a single thought about johnny
Lol, you wouldn't know scumJohnny if it bit you in the ass, wore your skin as a suit and tried to make out with your daughter.
But thank you for reminding me about this. Tell me since you apparently think this was a fix:
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Name: Steven Alpers
Cell: C
Profession: Network Administrator
Most recent conviction(s): Coorporate Fraud, theft
Alignment: Town
Role: Mason - Cell C contains only Town Masons.
Did you really read the whole pm, and not look one sentence deeper?
what are you on about? We’ve been through this. I literally didn’t comprehend past mason the first time I read. I had to go back and read again.
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I will reiterate: he was creating a narrative I was clearly not doing.
I knew there were masons. I just didn’t believe last was it. He seemed to assume that finding out the mason partners (ya know because I didn’t read the townclear of C) wasn’t important to me. And sure it was, but me scumreading last (Not knowing cell c was clear) wasn’t indicative of that. And him saying it was and painting an entirely different narrative over me not comprehending the entire post is scummy as ****.
yes, I ****ed up. I do that a lot. I don’t read entire sentences and try and stipulate info from that. it’s a flaw I have. Town and scum : I do it regularly.
But that little bit of misinformation was an opportunity taken to try and lynch me (he voted me for it calling it a derpclear that I attempted)
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I will reiterate: he was creating a narrative I was clearly not doing.
I knew there were masons. I just didn’t believe last was it. He seemed to assume that finding out the mason partners (ya know because I didn’t read the townclear of C) wasn’t important to me. And sure it was, but me scumreading last (Not knowing cell c was clear) wasn’t indicative of that. And him saying it was and painting an entirely different narrative over me not comprehending the entire post is scummy as ****.
yes, I ****ed up. I do that a lot. I don’t read entire sentences and try and stipulate info from that. it’s a flaw I have. Town and scum : I do it regularly.
But that little bit of misinformation was an opportunity taken to try and lynch me (he voted me for it calling it a derpclear that I attempted)
What's your view of this game? few sentence summary? I am bored, mostly waiting to see Jack/Kpaca do something to impress me.
I think we're at a point where people who are active are entrenched in their views and no amount of debate is going to change those. The game changers are going to be Jack and Kpaca when they actually express a concrete view on something. Anyone have a vote count btw?
What's your view of this game? few sentence summary? I am bored, mostly waiting to see Jack/Kpaca do something to impress me.
I think we're at a point where people who are active are entrenched in their views and no amount of debate is going to change those. The game changers are going to be Jack and Kpaca when they actually express a concrete view on something. Anyone have a vote count btw?
What's your view of this game? few sentence summary? I am bored, mostly waiting to see Jack/Kpaca do something to impress me.
I think we're at a point where people who are active are entrenched in their views and no amount of debate is going to change those. The game changers are going to be Jack and Kpaca when they actually express a concrete view on something. Anyone have a vote count btw?
What's your view of this game? few sentence summary? I am bored, mostly waiting to see Jack/Kpaca do something to impress me.
I think we're at a point where people who are active are entrenched in their views and no amount of debate is going to change those. The game changers are going to be Jack and Kpaca when they actually express a concrete view on something. Anyone have a vote count btw?
I gave my views and where I stand for today and what it takes to change that. They are trash so I'm told, but I'm sticking to them.
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these aren’t omgus reads. You were pushing me as vaimes partner up until I had to point out his pressure on my wagon EoD. He even coached you to vote me instead of Zion. You, Tom.
So you just ignored that and pushed for me at the VERY start of the day.
Johnny has been trying to manipulate the narrative into something more scummy.
I can’t stress enough that I am not infusing, I am using my knowledge of the game to find out who scum is.
That is not solving
Period
I put into a pile those that wanted town KCC dead. Since I know her alignment, it was easy to see who was pushing for a mislynch and who was not. That IS solving, dear Tomlove
Why not post about it?
How did you come to the conclusion that <all 6 scum were pushing you and none of the townies>?
Hey rod
If youre town:
Vaimes voted you, maybe the rest pushed you as well. Doesnt seem super likely, id expect them to spread out a bit.
So along with vaimes there could be:
Another wolf that... treated you like vaimes did with a vote eod2 but no substantive push (jack)
A wolf that actually pushed you (me or ywf mostly, but johnny too)
A wolf that mostly ignored you (flarg, johnny again)
A wolf that read the extremely obvious roadmap to getting townread by you this game and pocketed (zds but i dont believe that, jack again)
FTR, after you said scumtom always pushed you i looked. In the 9 games ive been a wolf that you were in
4 ignore
2 pocket
0 push
And 3 you were also a wolf
2 powerwolf
1 bus
I saw 1 game in there (i think it was an OTG game but idr now) where you got mislynched d1 with an all town wagon
Your most recent town game was both wolves (me/kj) actively townreading you
Im not sure i have a point for this post. Odds are decent, by statistics as well as my experience, that there was 1-2 wolves on you and 1-2 off day 2. Regardless of your alignment really. Youre as tempting a bus target as you are a mislynch, for the exact same reasons.
I dont think youre a wolf with ywf or johnny.
For ywf that is about her push. For johnny, the way kcc treated him during her meltdown early d2.
Ive already said why i dont think vaimes naked vote on you isnt clearing at all.
From your slots side, what youve been doing is too easy if youre scum. And similar to kcc very antispewy. Thats not to say townyou isnt capable of being that shallow, or that townkcc would have peft any unalignments, but its not a great sign when its that consistent from the slot.
Of the people that voted you at any point, the ones you pushed the least were vaimes and jack (not counting Zion because he died, but maybe i should because you pushed last the mason substantially more than any of those 3)
Could see that being a connection if youre a wolf
From kcc, there was a pretty active chainsaw onto zds after his flarg case. And then pretty much dropped it once hed fakeclaimed and was no longer in danger.
Could see that as a connection as well. Especially as youve followed it up with *****ty townreads of him.
Rod/jack
Flarg/Johnny
^^^
These are my most likely teams.
Basically just went over the two rod teams. Would be a little disappointed in them if its just the first one. And disappointed in zds if its the second lol
Was thinking about flarg/johnny a bit before Johnny started voting kpaca, and i can more or less see this as a big swing in response to what would be an all town voting block from cell D so leaving it top tier
Flarg/jack
Flarg/ywf
Gj/jack
Gj/ywf
Jack/ywf
^^^
These all seem ~possible
But nothing really pointing me there?
Second one would probably be top tier but for my gut on ywf
4th would be pretty odd. All 3 scum on rod for multiple days could be a plan to subvert votals, but its pretty shortsighted from a "winning in lylo" perspective
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These teams i am currently not considering:
ZDS as a wolf
Rod/gj
Rod/ywf
The GJ way path to no lynching:
What the **** happened to lynching players we think are scum?
All tom and Johnny have proven in the last couple pages is that Rod has been playing poorly, which is... completely irrelevant and not a valid reason for a lynch. It is a great source of mislynches, though!
It should be no surprise why I put my trust in Jack and Rod. We've been looking for scum and it turns out the pool of suspects is not that big.
Only thing I somewhat regret is when they mention me as the drive behind some of their reads, which leads to the false impression they are purely "riding on my coattails". They are not, but now because of that it looks like the Johnny/tom pair is looking at Jack like he's deliciously juicy and not that high up the tree.
Come to think of it, I'll have to check if these two ever made a serious push against a non-soft(ened) target, besides maybe KJ (who they softened themselves).
Rod is the one voting someone he thinks is town
Please tell me about jack contributing to your worldview. Dont think hes put an original thought in thread today?
To be clear here: i dont think i have jack lower than null. Take worldbuilding out of the equation and hes a light townread. But hes the only player in the game i have no unalignments for and that is a bit worrisome this late. As is diminishing motivation.
Ive generally liked his tone. Townread him for awhile. His slot feels worse as the game gets smaller.
Id lynch him over johnny still, but pretty easy swap there if rod were to flip town. And i wouldnt actually lynch either over rod OR kpaca
His <all omgus all the time> is certainly convenient and easy as scum, but its completely believable as town too.
Its a very rodemy headspace either way.
Even with you, mr top town read, as its clear leader.
Youre operating fully as a unit in lategame. Essentially a second scumteam except out in the open and potentially overlapping
Maybe id be more ok with it if i saw the cellchat. Maybe id see some thoughts from the two of them that arent either *****ty shallow omgus or <just zds thoughts>
I seee behavior that indicates scum. Esspexually from Johnny (yes that’s a typo. No I’m not fixing it)
You probably aren’t the lynch today but I’ll keep my vote off of kpaca to prove I don’t want him lynched. To satisfy your grumbling and for the future Poe.
Here I am. Confident rodemy. It’s adorable isn’t it?
I'm oversimplifying everything and focusing on his original thoughts, ask him directly for better details.
N1: Had a scum read on Grape and a scum read on Flarg. Had a case ready on Flarg but I ended up ninjaing him.
N2: Suggests scum are in control (later says tom is in control). Describes his own meta as: taking control through risky play as scum, acting as support as town.
N3: Opens the chat by complaining about the quick Day, being frustrated about the game state (too many players in the common PoE still alive), and scumreading Johnny for his hammer. [Context from that point on: I'm dumping the game's entire voting history into the chat] First to point out Johnny's Rodemy vote killed the Vaimes and tom wagons. Suggests Vaimes was angry at scum-tom for wasting a mislynch. First to point out Johnny's tendency to vote like tom.
N4: Didn't post at all.
Bonus: Rod was the first to aggressively push a Johnny vote.
To summarise, I understand why it seems like I'm leading cell D but that is not actually the case at all. Both Jack and Rod have sharp minds and are an active part of our collective brainstorming. They are not blindly following me, far from it.
Bonus 2: I don't know how we can be said to be "operating fully as a unit" when we have legendary vote-hopper Rodemy among us.
yeah from what you are saying zds, it sounds like jack could be scum and I am wrong about Tom.
He hasn’t participated much and how sure are you about ninjaing that case? Did he say you did or did he post after you?
How silly of me to suggest
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Would be cool if jack had done more of that where i could see it, but even from your pov hes done absolutely nothing with/since the scumflip? Is that NOT worrisome?
Are those nights correct and he spent n3 talking about connections to an unflipped vaimes?
Has rodemy given any thoughts in cellchat that arent "pushing rodemy = scum"?
I don't think there is a single person here who that was news for.
I am glad that Jack can post in such an environment where one of his cellmates is posting maybe once a day, and the other is tunneled into everyone apart from his and his cellmate. In the real world outside of your cell, he is doing nothing. Like, why does he give a **** about short days if he isn't doing anything and already has his wolf team? If anything, he should be eagerly voting just go et back into private discussions with his core town to figure out who to be wrong on next.
I flip town, what changes?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Not gonna lie. This doesn't really mean jack*****. We can't see it. So sure maybe it helps your POV but it doesn't do anything. It's hearsay. It's inadmissible. Jack needs to get here and make the arguments himself.
Not shocked the push on me is starting already have to get that mislynch set up for tomorrow on me or Rod. You criticise me for not having a original thought but at this point in the game those are just game throwing if you push them. Who would you like me to push ZDS or YWF who I town read. Kpaca and rod just feel like mislynchs at this point if that was the scum team with Vaimes I would be depressed as hell.
Your lack of ever suspecting Johnny no matter what he does is what makes you clear to me as a scum team, wolfs have clearly being trying to powerwolf this from the start. Its not lost on me who you both push always turns into a mislynch. In my world view one of you has to die today to half clear the other. I'm not wasteing my time on another potential mislynch. If we are wrong on one of you two we lynch one of rod or kpaca tomorrow. I only see the scum teams as both of you or both of them.
How you flip all the time and have this weird paranoia is why I can never fully townread you. I came up with most of the flarg case back at a point when I had a lot more motivation for this. You can check this yourself in the cell chat.
I'm still not voting you today because I want to believe this is just bad town play and not has scum agenda, I don't know why you only come across good in cell chat like I said to you N2.
I would say a whole scumteam pushing the same thing before lylo is reasonably rare.
At least from competent scum that know that know thinking ahead only one mislynch at a time is how you lose games.
I also cant see thinking im scum with vaimes full stop. Jacks theory you posted there assumes scumvaimes anger eod2 was real which is frankly ludicrous. And his complete abandon of rodemy to push me instead the following day is *to me* obvious opportunism. As was voting me after sloths <case that i am tom of either alignment> but thats more personal and what made me start thinking vaimes wasnt town...
Johnny is whatever at this point. Youre very right hes consistently followed me. Even his rhand wagon i joined d2 was based on my read. Im unclear how that became me voting with him but thats also whatever because i love talking to johnny in a good mood. Thats as fun as vaimes when hes town or rod when hes not being useless
Idk maybe there was a point where johnny said something i agreed with that i hadnt said myself yet but i dont remember it happening.
Id like to hear the reasoning that took that from scumjohnny pocketing tom to w/w?
Especially jacks, though id take yours too
(Rodemy i already know thinks teambuilding is scummy and is only omgus anyway)
What makes you think rod and flarg are mislynches?
How are you eliminating johnny/flarg
Ive pushed a single mislynch by my memory, and then a dead wolf, a dead sk, and unflipped rod and flarg.
So calling bull***** on "everyone you push ends up a mislynch"
This is not me pushing you. This is me dismissing the garbage townread of you/trying to understand it. Im saying youre null with no unalignments based on the posting i can see and thats
Factual
The harder solutions involve one of them being town and the other being a wolf with (probably) johnny or jack.
For 1.5 out of 2 of those sentences cell block d will lose this game for us.
Not that im not excited for a loss not to be my fault anymore, but im gonna need zds to actually think about his cellmates or, if he has and just decided the rest of the game didnt need to hear about it, ******* tell us
I... kind of dont believe rodemy is townier in cellchat. But that may be because of how shallow he is in thread.
I do believe jack is. I just dont think thats very meaningful and zds' description of it doesnt sound very impressive anyway
He still doesnt enter my thoughts for whos scum until i start trying to build teams or think about how scary D is
Cant really bring myself to give many *****s about rod or kpaca either. Rods got a lot of posts but only one premise. Kpaca doesnt even have posts.
My scumreads are kcc and flarg. Theres a huge gap between those slots and anyone else.
Since, yknow, it isnt.
Give me a single thought about johnny
This whole thing reeks of scumJohnny
Lol, you wouldn't know scumJohnny if it bit you in the ass, wore your skin as a suit and tried to make out with your daughter.
But thank you for reminding me about this. Tell me since you apparently think this was a fix:
Did you really read the whole pm, and not look one sentence deeper?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The bolded conflicts. Here is a game day. Stop playing defense and show your cards. Also, your worldview is only slightly less trashy trash than Rodemys.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
It seemed like you didn’t care about the flip cause 3 or 4 people had to capslock it at you to actually read it to see the people you were calling scum at the time had been cleared by it
I read it wrong at first too. I figured it out. Dont agree at all with Johnny thats a thing thats scummy, but it was frankly ridiculous and i dont find him pushing it that weird.
It does show me you cared more, in that moment, about making your point than about that point being correct. Thats the sort of thing people find scummy.
Does Johnny know you better than that? Does he typically read you well?
What point was that?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Pretty sure at the time it was scum reading Last.
What's your view of this game? few sentence summary? I am bored, mostly waiting to see Jack/Kpaca do something to impress me.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Kpaca/Jack most likely wolf team.
Rod is slightly outside of that
ZDS/YMv is the town, but tinfoil. ZDS slightly higher town read.
tom is almost certainly green checked.
Not really seeing anyhthing to change that worldview, apart from debating adding Rodemy to mental ignore.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
what are you on about? We’ve been through this. I literally didn’t comprehend past mason the first time I read. I had to go back and read again.
It will take a town flip if Johnny for me to change my mind. Simple as that.
And I doubt that is gonna happen.
I knew there were masons. I just didn’t believe last was it. He seemed to assume that finding out the mason partners (ya know because I didn’t read the townclear of C) wasn’t important to me. And sure it was, but me scumreading last (Not knowing cell c was clear) wasn’t indicative of that. And him saying it was and painting an entirely different narrative over me not comprehending the entire post is scummy as ****.
yes, I ****ed up. I do that a lot. I don’t read entire sentences and try and stipulate info from that. it’s a flaw I have. Town and scum : I do it regularly.
But that little bit of misinformation was an opportunity taken to try and lynch me (he voted me for it calling it a derpclear that I attempted)
That's cute.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I think we're at a point where people who are active are entrenched in their views and no amount of debate is going to change those. The game changers are going to be Jack and Kpaca when they actually express a concrete view on something. Anyone have a vote count btw?
Well, that looks pretty bleak for ol Johnny.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Kpaca (2): Gentleman Johnny, ZeDorkSlipeur
Gentleman Johnny (1): Rodemy
Not Voting (4): Jackrito, kpaca, Tomsloger, YWFMLF
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Deadline is April 2nd at 2000 MST.
I gave my views and where I stand for today and what it takes to change that. They are trash so I'm told, but I'm sticking to them.