Jack's Iso is annoyingly a mixed bag. Day 1 reads looking forward are God awful that said:
Town
Slothful
KCC
Tom
Slight town
Vaimes
YWFMLF
Tubba fett
Rhand
null
Lastwhisper
slight scum Flarg
ZDS
Killjoy
Scum
Zion
Grapefruit
the difference between some slight to
Potential rule of 3 here?
What I mean is Flarg and Zion changing their reads from town to scum on KJ off a RB claim is insane to others and not just me.
Kind of like this post though :/
I don't remember who I said before, but Flarg/Kpaca is also very unlikely to be wolves with Jack, based on a a few others (yes yes, I know what I just said).
Jackrito: "I'm okay with lynching [a lot of people]"
Jackrito: -abstains-
Ugh.
This is just one example I came back accross as I read Jack. There were a lot of these type of shading posts. Like proding, seeing if something would take off is I interpret it.
If Vaimes spewed hard by actually not caring between Rod/ZIonite, would have gotten credit for being on a zionite wagon just to avoid the god damn deadline, then
Jack/Kpaca
If I am wrong about Jack, that means my world is wrong and one of ZDS/tom is a wolf. That's a scary ******* world...
I feel like I needed one more body to solve this. And I don't know if I can stay alive long enough to test this theory.
Vote Kpaca
Do your worst. Analyze, ask questions if you must. Kpaca probably hammers me and then it's up to the town to pick up the pieces. I strongly suggest this path to victory, but I see no reason to start with jack unless I could convince Rod and ZDS to vote with me. So *shrugs*
all of Jackrito's posts still feel waffly and like he won't commit.
#302 for example. Notably, Grape scumreads Jack in #309. Flarg doesn't understand why in #333. Jack's #347 reminds me why I didn't like Jack at all. Feels like he is projecting. Why did I drop this? Probably need to reread on just Jack.
#382 YWFMLF nice wall. Lots of good content here. Nothing popping up on a reread but definitely a townie impression.
I don't know what else I can do here. *shrugs* analyze away, Ill be checking in if anyone else wants to try and brainstorm or point out things they agree or disagree with. I am really curious about a lot of worldviews of me/tom if I flip town.
If vaimes was bussing rod, it would take a fair amount of confidence from him to jump ship to zionite.
Hed have spent most of the day on rod, and hed be conpletely throwing away that positioning if rod ever flipped wolf. Or vice versa...
Like, you think scumvaimes would be thinking about endgaming with rod?
But its honestly probably simpler than that. And vaimes primary strategy as scum is not to push any agenda at all just try to look towny.
So yes
Some natural tendency towards bussing, but at least knows he should play to his wincons. So it's gonna be a mixed bag.
None of this should be interpreted as i think it looks like a bus. It doesnt. It just looks like a push vaimes decided to keep pushing for whatever reason.
My best guess for that reason is, again, trying to look towny, via crusading against no lynching. Nice easy thing for him to be genuine about, probably thought he looked great from it. Cant very well move to a smaller wagon when youve taken that position.
Closest i see to a point against scumrodemy in this world is "he wouldnt need to do something extra to look towny if he was already bussing" but thats assuming quite a bit of laziness from vaimes
Which
Maybe
Literally my two strongest points pro the slot are "i think some of the points against him are playstyle" and "ok someone do the statistical odds on a w/w/sk neighborhood"
Which are
Not that positive
And everything surrounding his claim and handling of rhand are sus af
I guess i am spiritually aligned with johnny now. I really dont like the non-zds part of that voting bloc. Especially if kpaca (predictably) joins them.
But like
If that cell is v/v/v its probably just johnny/flarg or whatever
Nothing to do with Johnny's own vote, it's something I've been thinking about during the night.
There are (there were initially) three players wanting Rodemy dead (tom/YWF/Johnny) and three players wanting Johnny dead (cell D). With four to lynch, this leaves kpaca as the only tie-breaker, and I don't want a slot I've been scumspecting since Day 1 to be the tie-breaker.
I could move to tom, but the situation would end up the same, and besides tom is the least individually scummy of my scum reads. So kpaca it is.
I'm completely fine with voting alongside Johnny by the way; if kpaca flips scum that will be a strong point in his favour.
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Re Johnny's #2980: I have nothing to answer to most of these, besides pointing out the explanations given are NAI and don't make me change my mind. There's two specific points I do want to respond to:
1) No, I'm not holding you in particular to a higher standard, and I apologise if I'm worsening the game for you to degree beyond typical annoyance-at-being-suspected. Although, and I'm not trying to be rude here but, if you regularly get pissed enough to have to take long breaks, maybe you are seeing things from the wrong angle? I mean, either you have trouble considering adversity as part of the game or this community still has a collective tendency to get nasty at times (without meaning to) (in which case I'm part of the problem and I'm sorry).
2) I don't know how you wanting Rhand to claim had anything to do with the scum being ok with Flarg shooting whoever :confused:. To me it just means one or more of three non-mutually exclusive theories: Kflargca is scum and they knew from the start Rhand was the real killer, they were confident they could direct the kill through cell-chat, or they didn't care who got shot because none of them were likely vig targets.
they can’t get me lynched because of my vaimes argument so they are going for kpaca.
I don’t think flarg was scum. I just think he went with the fake claim. He would never have claimed I don’t think. As scum, the best bet is to not claim and kill rhand. Idk.
I just... Tom gj is solid in my head.
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If Vaimes spewed hard by actually not caring between Rod/ZIonite, would have gotten credit for being on a zionite wagon just to avoid the god damn deadline, then
Jack/Kpaca
If I am wrong about Jack, that means my world is wrong and one of ZDS/tom is a wolf. That's a scary ******* world...
I feel like I needed one more body to solve this. And I don't know if I can stay alive long enough to test this theory.
Vote Kpaca
Do your worst. Analyze, ask questions if you must. Kpaca probably hammers me and then it's up to the town to pick up the pieces. I strongly suggest this path to victory, but I see no reason to start with jack unless I could convince Rod and ZDS to vote with me. So *shrugs*
Johnny I doubt you will die toNight being scum an all. But hey! Pull a vaimes and do us all a favor?
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Nothing to do with Johnny's own vote, it's something I've been thinking about during the night.
BLoody well should.
1) No, I'm not holding you in particular to a higher standard,
You absolutely are, whether you think you are doing intentionally or not, regardless of your own alignment. I might have been doing a poor job of it, but let's not pretend the guy who is doing all the work is getting rammed, while anyone else gets a "start posting more". Like, pretend I flip town (or hell, let's say wolf for lols) you are in the F3 with Rod/Jack. Who do you go with right now, deadline is tomorrow?
Although, and I'm not trying to be rude here but, if you regularly get pissed enough to have to take long breaks, maybe you are seeing things from the wrong angle?
I am seeing things from a fine angle. Last break was more player indicated that play, but no. Ignore day 3/4, look at how hard people fell off day. Your point about Vaimes and my handling him might be the one relevent point you made against me. I don't ******* like it, and while I can easily say where was your rally (I could not find any point Vaimes was at L-2 or L-1. I just reread ISOs, but if you could point that out, I'd appreciate it), the reality is that there were a lot of wolfy players, and Vaimes really didn't have any super wolfy posts. It was mostly tone read and "this person isn't solving.
I mean, either you have trouble considering adversity as part of the game or this community still has a collective tendency to get nasty at times (without meaning to) (in which case I'm part of the problem and I'm sorry).
You're funny.
I don't know how you wanting Rhand to claim had anything to do with the scum being ok with Flarg shooting whoever
You're missing the point. It's not a relevant point, but they are seperate. Mass claim push was ONLY because we were in psuedo mislynch or lose, and with that on the table, and being unsure if Flarg was willing/could holster, we needed cards on the table. Because as I stated numerous times: There was a very strong chance Rhand was fake softing a PR to keep people from pushing,
Ooo that 180 from Johnny is magical.
Tom and Johnny both went for kpaca. Sexy.
I won’t vote kpaca due to the fact Johnny AND Tom want him.
Johnny or nothing toDay boys.
I am going to hold my tongue for the time being. I have my calm face on.
ZDS, I don't get how you can a single post of mine and the word bravado comes out. I can't read a single word of Rodemy without the stench of bravado suffocating me.
@Rodemy By going along with Rhand, Flarg got 1) a free safe-ish claim, 2) direct insight into the vig/SK's next targets, 3) Rhand's trust.
It's no mystery why scum-Flarg would do such a thing.
Town-Flarg on the other hand, the only way I can imagine him not batting an eye is if, like kpaca said, he was a complete newbie. I'll be amazed if Flarg is a newbie.
The real mystery is why did it take so long for Rhand to realise something wrong was going on, and what he would have done if Flarg had gotten lynched before Shadow found a replacement. But that has nothing to do with the kflargca slot itself.
@Johnny#3027
Re: High standards: We don't have the same definition for the term. I'm treating you the same way I treated Flarg Day 2 or Vaimes Day 3. It's not a matter of standard, it's a matter of focus.
Re: Cell D as the final 3: I don't know who I would vote. I would probably bounce around a lot.
Re: Vaimes: I agree he "didn't have any super wolfy posts", and I'm not accusing anyone for not having him in their radar at all. You and him on the other hand mutually stayed at this awkward distance where it was clear you disliked each other, but you weren't going to do anything about it.
Re: Massclaim: I get why you asked for the claim. I don't get why you stopped caring after the Rhand fiasco.
I see Rodemy as overly enthusiastic/excited/frenetic.
Re: High standards: We don't have the same definition for the term. I'm treating you the same way I treated Flarg Day 2 or Vaimes Day 3. It's not a matter of standard, it's a matter of focus.
If that were even remotely true, you wouldn't be giving me a second look. I mean, you could also just be a wolf who has control of his pod, but that is pretty tough tinfoil.
Re: Massclaim: I get why you asked for the claim. I don't get why you stopped caring after the Rhand fiasco.
I mean, enough random people just did a claim, I thought we didn't have anything left?
I see Rodemy as overly enthusiastic/excited/frenetic.
I don't care for meta. But I did notice that his approach to me as a wolf versus his approach this game is night and day. That said, he was being almost universally town read in that last game, where it's the opposite here.
Vaimes spew also looks good on him. Between his indifference between Rod/Zion and indifference between Rod/Flarg. In particular when he could move to townZio without any repercussions, I don't get why he would stay on a wolfbro there.
Whatever. I voted because I trust z. I just feel like you push me as scum. I could be wrong..
I am thinking critical. Johnny and Tom both pushed me when vaimes Obviously pushed me over Zion on eod2. Both are excellent veteran players and for them to ignore that and push me anyway is scumMy 100%
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Whatever. I voted because I trust z. I just feel like you push me as scum. I could be wrong..
I am thinking critical. Johnny and Tom both pushed me when vaimes Obviously pushed me over Zion on eod2. Both are excellent veteran players and for them to ignore that and push me anyway is scumMy 100%
and then he pushed me over you, thus making me supertown and you 130% scum for ignoring that?
Whatever.
Rod has zero non-omgus reads
Kcc was <see kcc cases>
Vaimes spent his eod1 trying to look towny crusading against no lynching i dont really give a **** about who the wagons actually were
No reason to townread the slot
None for kpaca either
At least SOME for johnny
IMO
Whatever.
Rod has zero non-omgus reads
Kcc was <see kcc cases>
Vaimes spent his eod1 trying to look towny crusading against no lynching i dont really give a **** about who the wagons actually were
No reason to townread the slot
None for kpaca either
At least SOME for johnny
IMO
Vaimes sat on Rod, when he could have ez credit for jumping on a townie that was being advocated for being vigged anyway. I don't see why Vaimes would be carefree sit on a buddy. Really going long term for bus credit, when he could just try the bus tomorrow, and completely blame you for not voting Rodemy in a wolf rod world?
I am ******* infuriated, but I just can't see Rod as a wolf. If Vaimes really didn't give that much of a **** when wolves were in really good shape day 2, I don't know man.
Like tom, you were already partly being blamed (correctly or otherwise) for basically not popping in. Vaimes is a wolf, you are town, Rod is a wolf. You do your thing, don't come in. Vaimes jumps to get ZIonite, starts Rod again another day, has day 2 as exhibit A for why he was town and correctly pinned Rod, and how you let it no lynch over getting him.
I can't see Vaimes defiantly sitting on a wolf buddy to force a no lynch, when a free town who is a very strong analyzer was just basically being begged to die. And then set you up if Rod ever flips wolf. The only conclusion that makes sense was that both were town, and Vaimes didn't really give a *****.
Tom how can I see scum Johnny and you cannot? Jesus we just need kpaca here to kill Johnny and we shall be set
Not token, not low fantasy...
Ghostbusters when we were w/w i guess but even then not really.
What was before that?
Maybe even then
Potential rule of 3 here?
Kind of like this post though :/
I don't remember who I said before, but Flarg/Kpaca is also very unlikely to be wolves with Jack, based on a a few others (yes yes, I know what I just said).
@tom:
This is just one example I came back accross as I read Jack. There were a lot of these type of shading posts. Like proding, seeing if something would take off is I interpret it.
....
****.
Just...****
Could Rod actually be town?
I am starving and exauhsted. Jack has me conflicted, maybe Rod is spewed.
Vaimes had absolutely no interest in moving off when Zionite popped back up.
Unvote
The GJ way path to no lynching:
https://youtu.be/v2ctdsUtYL0?t=100
Gah, YWFMLF's tone is just pure as *****. A lot of his reactions fall in line with me, including Rod.
That would leave Kpaca/Jack just because I am less conflicted.
GAHHHHHHHHHHHH
@anyone who has played with wolfVaimes: How bus-ey is he?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Rod/Jack
Jack/Kpaca
Kpaca/Rod
If I am right,
Kpaca/RodRod/Jack
Jack/Kpaca
If Vaimes spewed hard by actually not caring between Rod/ZIonite, would have gotten credit for being on a zionite wagon just to avoid the god damn deadline, then
If I am wrong about Jack, that means my world is wrong and one of ZDS/tom is a wolf. That's a scary ******* world...
I feel like I needed one more body to solve this. And I don't know if I can stay alive long enough to test this theory.
Vote Kpaca
Do your worst. Analyze, ask questions if you must. Kpaca probably hammers me and then it's up to the town to pick up the pieces. I strongly suggest this path to victory, but I see no reason to start with jack unless I could convince Rod and ZDS to vote with me. So *shrugs*
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I don't know what else I can do here. *shrugs* analyze away, Ill be checking in if anyone else wants to try and brainstorm or point out things they agree or disagree with. I am really curious about a lot of worldviews of me/tom if I flip town.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Hed have spent most of the day on rod, and hed be conpletely throwing away that positioning if rod ever flipped wolf. Or vice versa...
Like, you think scumvaimes would be thinking about endgaming with rod?
But its honestly probably simpler than that. And vaimes primary strategy as scum is not to push any agenda at all just try to look towny.
So yes
Some natural tendency towards bussing, but at least knows he should play to his wincons. So it's gonna be a mixed bag.
None of this should be interpreted as i think it looks like a bus. It doesnt. It just looks like a push vaimes decided to keep pushing for whatever reason.
My best guess for that reason is, again, trying to look towny, via crusading against no lynching. Nice easy thing for him to be genuine about, probably thought he looked great from it. Cant very well move to a smaller wagon when youve taken that position.
Closest i see to a point against scumrodemy in this world is "he wouldnt need to do something extra to look towny if he was already bussing" but thats assuming quite a bit of laziness from vaimes
Which
Maybe
Literally my two strongest points pro the slot are "i think some of the points against him are playstyle" and "ok someone do the statistical odds on a w/w/sk neighborhood"
Which are
Not that positive
And everything surrounding his claim and handling of rhand are sus af
I guess i am spiritually aligned with johnny now. I really dont like the non-zds part of that voting bloc. Especially if kpaca (predictably) joins them.
But like
If that cell is v/v/v its probably just johnny/flarg or whatever
Nothing to do with Johnny's own vote, it's something I've been thinking about during the night.
There are (there were initially) three players wanting Rodemy dead (tom/YWF/Johnny) and three players wanting Johnny dead (cell D). With four to lynch, this leaves kpaca as the only tie-breaker, and I don't want a slot I've been scumspecting since Day 1 to be the tie-breaker.
I could move to tom, but the situation would end up the same, and besides tom is the least individually scummy of my scum reads. So kpaca it is.
I'm completely fine with voting alongside Johnny by the way; if kpaca flips scum that will be a strong point in his favour.
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Re Johnny's #2980: I have nothing to answer to most of these, besides pointing out the explanations given are NAI and don't make me change my mind. There's two specific points I do want to respond to:
1) No, I'm not holding you in particular to a higher standard, and I apologise if I'm worsening the game for you to degree beyond typical annoyance-at-being-suspected. Although, and I'm not trying to be rude here but, if you regularly get pissed enough to have to take long breaks, maybe you are seeing things from the wrong angle? I mean, either you have trouble considering adversity as part of the game or this community still has a collective tendency to get nasty at times (without meaning to) (in which case I'm part of the problem and I'm sorry).
2) I don't know how you wanting Rhand to claim had anything to do with the scum being ok with Flarg shooting whoever :confused:. To me it just means one or more of three non-mutually exclusive theories: Kflargca is scum and they knew from the start Rhand was the real killer, they were confident they could direct the kill through cell-chat, or they didn't care who got shot because none of them were likely vig targets.
That doesn’t answer my question.
Tom and Johnny both went for kpaca. Sexy.
I won’t vote kpaca due to the fact Johnny AND Tom want him.
Johnny or nothing toDay boys.
That’s Johnny and zds voting for kpaca. Not Tom.
Tom doesn’t hate a kpaca vote. Same thing.
they can’t get me lynched because of my vaimes argument so they are going for kpaca.
I don’t think flarg was scum. I just think he went with the fake claim. He would never have claimed I don’t think. As scum, the best bet is to not claim and kill rhand. Idk.
I just... Tom gj is solid in my head.
vote kpaca
Experiment stands.
i wanted to see if someone will not hammer but that went poorly due to me not seeing he claimed.
No kpaca lynch plz.
mid wesr if he flips town we kill kJ and Tom. PLEASE.
vote kpaca I’ll take my spam warning now
If he was scum rhand would have died so fast.
no I’m gone for a bit this game strsses me out
How do you think I feel :/
Johnny I doubt you will die toNight being scum an all. But hey! Pull a vaimes and do us all a favor?
BLoody well should.
You absolutely are, whether you think you are doing intentionally or not, regardless of your own alignment. I might have been doing a poor job of it, but let's not pretend the guy who is doing all the work is getting rammed, while anyone else gets a "start posting more". Like, pretend I flip town (or hell, let's say wolf for lols) you are in the F3 with Rod/Jack. Who do you go with right now, deadline is tomorrow?
I am seeing things from a fine angle. Last break was more player indicated that play, but no. Ignore day 3/4, look at how hard people fell off day. Your point about Vaimes and my handling him might be the one relevent point you made against me. I don't ******* like it, and while I can easily say where was your rally (I could not find any point Vaimes was at L-2 or L-1. I just reread ISOs, but if you could point that out, I'd appreciate it), the reality is that there were a lot of wolfy players, and Vaimes really didn't have any super wolfy posts. It was mostly tone read and "this person isn't solving.
You're funny.
You're missing the point. It's not a relevant point, but they are seperate. Mass claim push was ONLY because we were in psuedo mislynch or lose, and with that on the table, and being unsure if Flarg was willing/could holster, we needed cards on the table. Because as I stated numerous times: There was a very strong chance Rhand was fake softing a PR to keep people from pushing,
I am going to hold my tongue for the time being. I have my calm face on.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
It's no mystery why scum-Flarg would do such a thing.
Town-Flarg on the other hand, the only way I can imagine him not batting an eye is if, like kpaca said, he was a complete newbie. I'll be amazed if Flarg is a newbie.
The real mystery is why did it take so long for Rhand to realise something wrong was going on, and what he would have done if Flarg had gotten lynched before Shadow found a replacement. But that has nothing to do with the kflargca slot itself.
@Johnny #3027
Re: High standards: We don't have the same definition for the term. I'm treating you the same way I treated Flarg Day 2 or Vaimes Day 3. It's not a matter of standard, it's a matter of focus.
Re: Cell D as the final 3: I don't know who I would vote. I would probably bounce around a lot.
Re: Vaimes: I agree he "didn't have any super wolfy posts", and I'm not accusing anyone for not having him in their radar at all. You and him on the other hand mutually stayed at this awkward distance where it was clear you disliked each other, but you weren't going to do anything about it.
Re: Massclaim: I get why you asked for the claim. I don't get why you stopped caring after the Rhand fiasco.
I see Rodemy as overly enthusiastic/excited/frenetic.
If that were even remotely true, you wouldn't be giving me a second look. I mean, you could also just be a wolf who has control of his pod, but that is pretty tough tinfoil.
I mean, enough random people just did a claim, I thought we didn't have anything left?
I don't care for meta. But I did notice that his approach to me as a wolf versus his approach this game is night and day. That said, he was being almost universally town read in that last game, where it's the opposite here.
Vaimes spew also looks good on him. Between his indifference between Rod/Zion and indifference between Rod/Flarg. In particular when he could move to townZio without any repercussions, I don't get why he would stay on a wolfbro there.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
If he is town you owe me a Johnny lynch
The GJ way path to no lynching:
You guys owe me a Johnny lynch toMorrow
You are owed nothing,
And since I am in a movie quote mood:
You may not be a wolf rodemy, but you better stop pretending you have reads.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
then stop being scum?
Never is, never was. Start critically thinking
The GJ way path to no lynching:
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Not Voting (3): Jackrito, kpaca, Tomsloger
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Deadline is April 2nd at 2000 MST.
But that's some combination of curiosity and discrediting you so whatever
I am thinking critical. Johnny and Tom both pushed me when vaimes Obviously pushed me over Zion on eod2. Both are excellent veteran players and for them to ignore that and push me anyway is scumMy 100%
Rod has zero non-omgus reads
Kcc was <see kcc cases>
Vaimes spent his eod1 trying to look towny crusading against no lynching i dont really give a **** about who the wagons actually were
No reason to townread the slot
None for kpaca either
At least SOME for johnny
IMO
B) it wouldnt anyway
Vaimes sat on Rod, when he could have ez credit for jumping on a townie that was being advocated for being vigged anyway. I don't see why Vaimes would be carefree sit on a buddy. Really going long term for bus credit, when he could just try the bus tomorrow, and completely blame you for not voting Rodemy in a wolf rod world?
I am ******* infuriated, but I just can't see Rod as a wolf. If Vaimes really didn't give that much of a **** when wolves were in really good shape day 2, I don't know man.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Show me
I can't see Vaimes defiantly sitting on a wolf buddy to force a no lynch, when a free town who is a very strong analyzer was just basically being begged to die. And then set you up if Rod ever flips wolf. The only conclusion that makes sense was that both were town, and Vaimes didn't really give a *****.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
With 24 hours to go~? Come on tom, it wouldn't have been THAT hard to fake. Especially on a player who was in the vig splash zone.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Rodemy (5): Lastwhisper, Vaimes, YWFMLF, Zionite, Gentleman Johnny
Zionite (4): Tubba Fett, ZeDorkSlipeur, FlargBlarg, Rhand
Rhand (2): tomsloger, Rodemy
Tomsloger (1): Slothful
Not Voting (1): Jackrito
Only other vote between here and eod was jack
No one talking about zion
Vaimes only talked about how not coming back made ME scum