I went from wanting Rod the **** outta here, to going safe on Flarg, and am about 30 seconds away from just saying **** it, go vaimes.
This is the issue this entire game. So many people are scummy in a certain way so it's hard to focus on core people. We all just jump from person to person person building wagons but dropping them for something new. That is part of the reason lynch failed yesterday. We are all too split on our scum reads but all the scum reads are generally in the same POE
I went from wanting Rod the **** outta here, to going safe on Flarg, and am about 30 seconds away from just saying **** it, go vaimes.
This is the issue this entire game. So many people are scummy in a certain way so it's hard to focus on core people. We all just jump from person to person person building wagons but dropping them for something new. That is part of the reason lynch failed yesterday. We are all too split on our scum reads but all the scum reads are generally in the same POE
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I would agrue scum are the one who do it but so many different people do it. It is hard to point who is at fault. Tom did it day one on KJ ZDS did it to Flarg day 2 ZDS did it to vaimes today as well. Sloth did it to Tom. I can't remember who started the ones on Flarg day one and KCC day 2 but that is a couple of examples of how this game had span from person to person. It could be argued ZDS does it the most but his picks are not dead and could be right so doubt he us to blame
I feel like Flarg is always going to be the lynch today, if he is scum vig his team are forced to bus now if sk scum will want him dead so jump on and if town scum also can freely jump on. For the future of the game this is needed but I'm not sure how much it helps us still unless the first option, this goes aganist what I said earlier but just looking at the read list bothers me.
This also got heat off Rod vaimes and Tom one of them would of had to be scum here so its frustrating.
Don't mind me, just putting this out there to help Kpaca catch up quickly (we should have done this for Rodemy too). My own personal opinions NOT included, feel free to add any factual information I didn't include that you feel is relevant.
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Serving Time (in)
A. Grapefuit21 = Vanilla, Died Night 1, kill claimed by Flarg
A. Tomsloger
A. YWFMLF
B. Gentleman Johnny
B. Killjoy = Roleblocker, Lynched Day 1
B. Zionite = Vanilla, Died Night 1, we all assume Flarg did it
C. Lastwhisper = Modconfirmed Mason w/ Sloth & Tubba, claims to have had a 1-shot collective BP vest that was used up Night 1.
C. Slothful = Modconfirmed Mason w/ Whispy & Tubba, Died Night 2, was claiming Bulletproof at the time.
C. Tubba Fett = Modconfirmed Mason w/ Sloth & Whispy, claims to have had a 1-shot collective BP vest that was used up Night 1.
D. Jackrito
D. KittyCupCake/Rodemy = Claimed vanilla, scumread by many, barely escaped the Day 2 lynch, one of toDay's most likely lynches at the moment.
D. ZeDorkSlipeur
E. FlargBlarg/Kpaca = Claimed Vig, thought by many to be an SK or scumvig, one of toDay's most likely lynches at the moment.
E. Rhand = Claims he needs to be on every lynch-wagon.
E. Vaimes = Scumread by many, one of toDay's most likely lynches at the moment.
Rodemy might well be mafia with how both wagons stalled yesterDay. No lynches shouldn't happen with two big town wagons unless most of the mafia is inactive. But that's purely a gamestate read; I have a hard time seeing KCC as behaviorally scum.
I'm doubting wether we shouldn't just be lynching Rodemy. With Zionite flipping town, I have a hard time believing we had T/T wagons yesterDay and didn't manage a lynch.
And if he is scum, it has to be with Rodemy, which means Rodemy needs to die first. But I can't shrug off my KCC townread.
Its distancey with no actual bite. He seems to be doubting rod but does nothing to actually push this and then just flings himself into the flarg vote. He can't shrug off the town read of a player who hasn't been here since D1 and makes not points to feel out Rod as a replacement. It's shady. He acknowledge its more important to kill scum that we KNOW exists but make little effort to find them in favor of saying ok lets lynch the MAYBE SK. We have time....use it to actually push your reads.
I think my thoughts here are pretty clear? I have a scumread on tom but that doesn't mesh with my townread on KCC(Rodemy).
Gamestate-wise with 2 stalled wagons, scum!Rodemy makes sense, but again that doesn't mesh with my KCC(Rodemy) read.
Lynching tom without lynching Rodemy first makes no sense. So I don't know what to do with that mess; I hope a reread makes things more clear.
Rhand, can you walk me through your thought process on tom&Rod? I understand you had a scumread on the first and a townread on the other and you are doubting both of these, but I don't entirely get how the two reads are related (if they are).
Rodemy would have been lynched yesterDay if tom is mafia and Rodemy town.
Vaimes pointed that out in our cellchat and I think he's right.
I also think I did something very stupid and have to claim now that Flarg replaced out. He was the whole reason I didn't want to claim, but I think I got blindsided by his cell posting and he's mafia.
You read that right: mafia, not SK. Because I am the one that killed Grape and Zionite.
When I saw that N1 had only one flip, I decided that I had to share that info, and with the messaging system I figured I could do so without outing myself as the vig.
So I sent Flarg, who I was townreading, a message proposing him to claim the shot.
I tried to stop the message when I saw Sloth's claim but it was too late: Shadow had already sent it. And Flarg ran with it, probably because of the pressure from ZDS he had at the time.
I sent another message toDay to Flarg to talk about whether to keep this up or not, but he never replied.
I noticed something in his ISO and cellchat that I think makes him mafia: he made a completely unexplained 180 on Zio. He was convinced KJ/Zio were town/town, and yesterDay he ended up voting Zio. That vote in itself could be there to get a lynch that isn't Rodemy if you read it, but in cellchat he agreed with me when I thought that one of Rod/Zio had to be scum with how the wagons stalled and that it had to be Zio. That is so opposite to his Zio read that I don't believe he didn't give that more thought than this. I think he's mafia and I helped him make us blind to that by handing him a claim.
I'm not a full vig. My role is compulsive gambler. I have to target someone at Night and have a 50/50% chance of being doc or vig.
If I am on a town lynch, the chance becomes 75%vig/25%doc. If I am on a mafia lynch, it's 25%vig/75%doc.
That's why I want to be on lynch wagons: it gives more control over what my role actually does.
I vigged Grape with 75% chance and Zio with 50% chance.
I think that also explains why I was never tampered with.
I claimed my rolename to my cellmates (not what it did) because Last said near the end of Day 1 something like "you won the gamble" and that freaked me out, and I wanted to talk with someone about that. If they would have tampered with it N1, they would know I would suspect that one of them was responsible for that. Especially because both of them completely missed that I was softing power.
When Flarg took my claim, there's no way he could still tamper with my role. I would know it was him.
Based on this claim I'm looking at two most likely scenarii:
1) Rhand is a *****ty nerfed vig (implying 4 scum), with very decent chances of him being the only town in Cell E;
2) Rhand is the SK (or a scumvig) (implying 3 scum) and the coronavirus is attacking his brain directly.
I want scenario 1 to be completely true, I will feel so vindicated if my initial analysis of Flarg was completely right and he and Vaimes are buddies.
In the end the claim doesn't actually change much for me right now since I will still gladly lynch either Kpaca or Vaimes, just for different reasons now re:Kpaca (well technically I'm back to my initial reasons from early Day 2).
For the record just the fact there is now an explanation for why Flarg claimed out of the blue makes me mostly believe the claim. I have doubts about the part with the 50/50 chance, but that's set-up speculation and irrelevant given the timing (had the votes currently on Fpargca been on Rhand instead, I would have probably jumped to the opposite conclusions).
@Kpaca & @Vaimes Can you confirm Rhand rolenamed claim in your chat? @Kpaca Can you confirm the whispers? @Rhand Why vig Grapefruit? Who else were you considering, if anyone? @Rhand While you were townreading Flarg, what were you planning to do if he ever died?
I actually claimed first through a message via Shadow after LW used the word gamble in a post to me. Freaked me out.
Grape because I was scumreading him and KJ was too, that reinforced my read.
And then in cellchat he was one of our common scumreads.
I considered Zionite but my cellmates talked me out of that, and GJ and you.
I figured I would get a more solid read on you by pushing you Day 2, while I know from experience my reads on Grape and GJ are hard to evolve.
If Flarg would die, depending on his flip, I would either claim in thread or talk to Vaimes.
With a scum flip I would see if Vaimes wants to take over the claim, with a town flip I would just claim in thread.
This is me not hammering, but congrats to Rhand for winning the gamble
This is that post that freaked me out so much.
I first thought LW was a N0 rolecop or something, but that seemed wrong for town to have and mafia wouldn’t let me know they knew my rolename.
I’m happy I know he’s town now, because this kept burning in the back of my brain.
This is me not hammering, but congrats to Rhand for winning the gamble
This is that post that freaked me out so much.
I first thought LW was a N0 rolecop or something, but that seemed wrong for town to have and mafia wouldn’t let me know they knew my rolename.
I’m happy I know he’s town now, because this kept burning in the back of my brain.
You read that right: mafia, not SK. Because I am the one that killed Grape and Zionite.
......Uggggh. I was starting to wonder this the second Shadow said he was replacing Flarg. Cause if he's replacing out due to inactivity and he's bogged down with corona BS when did he have time to get an action in. I was hoping it was too tinfoil hatty and I was getting ahead of myself.
Ohhh my god, I suspected Rhand had a vig shot of some sort but was wondering why he never CC’d.
@ZDS: I looked up Gambler on MU when he first claimed it, said something about guessing who would get lunched/shot and you’d get a one-shot vig. A little different here but lmao.
Because I didn't want mafia to know I could kill them before I hit mafia.
Vigs never claim after a town flip, but now I realized I could share in thread that Grape was a vig shot without having to claim.
I had to bite my lip a lot with all the SK speculation though, but I still think this was the right call. I just used the wrong person.
Why did you pick Flarg? Why would he go along with it? I don’t understand the reasoning behind the gambit? What was the goal?
The goal was to reveal that Grape was a vig shot without revealing the vig.
By the time flarg saw the message, Sloth had already revealed that he was the NK. So there was no point anymore.
Without that reveal by Sloth, I am convinced this is the way to go in this game.
I picked flarg because at the time I was townreading him way harder than Vaimes.
If Flarg/Kpaca is mafia, they can't reveal what I did because that costs him his cover. Hence he couldn't deal with me other than staying on my good side. Which he managed for a long time.
As mafia he goes along with it because it gives him a fake claim, and he was under pressure.
As town... in retrospect I should have realized sooner that with Sloth's reveal, he should not have gone along with it in the first place and probably isn't town.
But also why would flarg be scum? If he knew you were a vig, you would have died, right?
No, not after he claimed it. It would blow his own cover and open him up for lynch again. The vig claim got ZDS off his back.
The only thing he could have done to NK me is not go along with the plan.
I don't even know where to begin. Percent abilities I would automatically without looking at the rest of the set up, would put into bastard territory. Let's say that role was on a mafia lynch, is he really going to take a 1/4 chance of vigging what is likely a universal town read?
And then, the idea of letting his teamates know. Rhand claimed his ******* wagon thing into the thread. Even if his cell is entirely town, it wouldn't have been hard to rolecop/roleblock anyway. He didn't exactly make it subtle he was a PR. He practically screamed it.
And all of the above is ASSUMING the role is real...I just. Rhand is a good player. I can't buy that he as town thought this was a good way to play this... Or that he would take such a bad hero shot night 1.
I don't even know where to begin. Percent abilities I would automatically without looking at the rest of the set up, would put into bastard territory. Let's say that role was on a mafia lynch, is he really going to take a 1/4 chance of vigging what is likely a universal town read?
Eh I never saw this ability as doc. I'm not going to maybe vig a townread. I see it as a vig that doesn't always hit. Which is not that weird? Not sure why you put this in bastard territory.
And then, the idea of letting his teamates know. Rhand claimed his ******* wagon thing into the thread. Even if his cell is entirely town, it wouldn't have been hard to rolecop/roleblock anyway. He didn't exactly make it subtle he was a PR. He practically screamed it.
I know I wasn't subtle. I had no choice. I didn't want to end up with the 50/50 thing.
I did not claim what my role did to Vaimes though, and if I wasn't forced to claim the need to be on a wagon D1, I wouldn't have said anything in cell chat.
And all of the above is ASSUMING the role is real...I just. Rhand is a good player. I can't buy that he as town thought this was a good way to play this... Or that he would take such a bad hero shot night 1.
I stand by the fact that it WAS a good way to play this if Sloth hadn't claimed being NK'ed. Which he hadn't when I sent Shadow the message for Flarg.
And in my eyes Grape wasn't a bad shot. I was scumreading him, KJ was scumreading him and my cellmates were scumreading him.
But, I feel disgust at how the words slip out of my mouth.... I agree with Rodemy. Why as a wolf would you do this? If the world is EXACTLY Rod/Vaimes/Rhand, I could see it actually. Rod being a wolf clears quite a few people, Vaimes is almost universally wolf read, and Flarg/Kpaca is.....well, whatever.
This whole situation is infuriating.
Anything resolving percentage chance is bastard level. Anything that resolves the same game playing different ways with the exact same levels of actions is bastard. What if Zionite was a wolf, but you misfired last night. There would be some really bad feels. Or if you shot wolfzion, but misfired on town grape.
This is the issue this entire game. So many people are scummy in a certain way so it's hard to focus on core people. We all just jump from person to person person building wagons but dropping them for something new. That is part of the reason lynch failed yesterday. We are all too split on our scum reads but all the scum reads are generally in the same POE
Sass Facts(TM) with Tom and Rod.
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Can’t control the shot though, and I’m more inclined to go Rod over Vaimes. I can’t be catastrophically wrong forever, right? Right?!?
Rodemy (2): YWF, tubba
Tom (1): Last
Not Voting (4): Jack, Flarg, Rod, tom
This also got heat off Rod vaimes and Tom one of them would of had to be scum here so its frustrating.
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Serving Time (in)
A. Grapefuit21 = Vanilla, Died Night 1, kill claimed by Flarg
A. Tomsloger
A. YWFMLF
B. Gentleman Johnny
B. Killjoy = Roleblocker, Lynched Day 1
B. Zionite = Vanilla, Died Night 1, we all assume Flarg did it
C. Lastwhisper = Modconfirmed Mason w/ Sloth & Tubba, claims to have had a 1-shot collective BP vest that was used up Night 1.
C. Slothful = Modconfirmed Mason w/ Whispy & Tubba, Died Night 2, was claiming Bulletproof at the time.
C. Tubba Fett = Modconfirmed Mason w/ Sloth & Whispy, claims to have had a 1-shot collective BP vest that was used up Night 1.
D. Jackrito
D. KittyCupCake/Rodemy = Claimed vanilla, scumread by many, barely escaped the Day 2 lynch, one of toDay's most likely lynches at the moment.
D. ZeDorkSlipeur
E. FlargBlarg/Kpaca = Claimed Vig, thought by many to be an SK or scumvig, one of toDay's most likely lynches at the moment.
E. Rhand = Claims he needs to be on every lynch-wagon.
E. Vaimes = Scumread by many, one of toDay's most likely lynches at the moment.
Killjoy (2): Tubba Fett, Grapefruit21
Vaimes (2): Lastwhisper, Tomsloger
KittyCupCake (1): Vaimes
YWFMLF (1): Slothful
Jackrito (1): KittyCupCake
Lastwhisper (1): FlargBlarg
Zionite (1): Rhand
Not Voting (6): YWFMLF, Gentleman Johnny, Jackrito, ZeDorkSlipeur, Killjoy, Zionite
Zionite (3): Rhand, Slothful, FlargBlarg
YWFMLF (2): Vaimes, Lastwhisper
Jackrito (2): KittyCupCake, Grapefruit21
Killjoy (1): Tubba Fett
Vaimes (1): Tomsloger
Not Voting (6): YWFMLF, Gentleman Johnny, Jackrito, ZeDorkSlipeur, Killjoy, Zionite
Zionite (4): Slothful, FlargBlarg, Jackrito, KittyCupCake
Vaimes (2): Tomsloger, Gentleman Johnny
Killjoy (1): Tubba Fett
Grapefruit21 (1): Rhand
tomsloger (1): Vaimes
KittyCupCake (1): Zionite
Not Voting (5): YWFMLF, ZeDorkSlipeur, Killjoy, Grapefruit21, Lastwhisper
Killjoy (5): Tubba Fett, Vaimes, Tomsloger, Gentleman Johnny, Grapefruit21
Zionite (5): Slothful, FlargBlarg, Jackrito, KittyCupCake, YWFMLF
Grapefruit21 (1): Rhand
tomsloger (1): Lastwhisper
KittyCupCake (1): Zionite
Not Voting (2): ZeDorkSlipeur, Killjoy
Zionite (6): Slothful, FlargBlarg, Jackrito, KittyCupCake, YWFMLF, Rhand (L-2)
Killjoy (5): Tubba Fett, Vaimes, Tomsloger, Gentleman Johnny, Grapefruit21
KittyCupCake (1): Zionite
Not Voting (3): ZeDorkSlipeur, Killjoy, Lastwhisper
Zionite (6): Slothful, FlargBlarg, Jackrito, KittyCupCake, YWFMLF, Rhand (L-2)
Killjoy (6): Tubba Fett, Vaimes, Tomsloger, Gentleman Johnny, Grapefruit21, Zionite (L-2)
Not Voting (3): ZeDorkSlipeur, Killjoy, Lastwhisper
Killjoy (6): Tubba Fett, Vaimes, Tomsloger, Gentleman Johnny, Grapefruit21, Zionite (L-2)
Zionite (5): Slothful, Jackrito, KittyCupCake, YWFMLF, Rhand
Grapefruit21 (1): Killjoy
Not Voting (3): ZeDorkSlipeur, Lastwhisper, FlargBlarg
Killjoy (7): Tubba Fett, Vaimes, Tomsloger, Gentleman Johnny, Grapefruit21, Zionite, Rhand (L-1)
Zionite (4): Slothful, Jackrito, KittyCupCake, YWFMLF
Not Voting (4): ZeDorkSlipeur, Killjoy, Lastwhisper, FlargBlarg
Killjoy (8): Tubba Fett, Vaimes, Tomsloger, Gentleman Johnny, Grapefruit21, Zionite, Rhand, KittyCupCake
Zionite (3): Slothful, Jackrito, YWFMLF
Grapefruit21 (1): Killjoy
Not Voting (3): ZeDorkSlipeur, Lastwhisper, FlargBlarg
FlargBlarg (3): Jackrito, ZeDorkSlipeur, Lastwhisper
ZeDorkSlipeur (2): Vaimes, Rhand
Gentleman Johnny (1): Tomsloger
KittyCupCake (1): Gentleman Johnny
Not Voting (6): FlargBlarg, Tubba Fett, Zionite, Slothful, KittyCupCake, YWFMLF
ZeDorkSlipeur (3): Vaimes, Rhand, KittyCupCake
FlargBlarg (2): Jackrito, ZeDorkSlipeur
Gentleman Johnny (1): Tomsloger
KittyCupCake (1): Gentleman Johnny
Rhand (1): Lastwhisper
Not Voting (5): FlargBlarg, Tubba Fett, Zionite, Slothful, YWFMLF
KittyCupCake (3): Gentleman Johnny, YWFMLF, Tomsloger
ZeDorkSlipeur (2): Rhand, KittyCupCake
FlargBlarg (2): Jackrito, ZeDorkSlipeur
Gentleman Johnny (1): Vaimes
Rhand (1): Lastwhisper
Not Voting (4): FlargBlarg, Tubba Fett, Zionite, Slothful
KittyCupCake (3): Gentleman Johnny, YWFMLF, Tomsloger
ZeDorkSlipeur (2): Rhand, KittyCupCake
FlargBlarg (2): Jackrito, ZeDorkSlipeur
Gentleman Johnny (1): Vaimes
Rhand (1): Lastwhisper
Not Voting (4): FlargBlarg, Tubba Fett, Zionite, Slothful
Rodemy (2): Gentleman Johnny, YWFMLF
FlargBlarg (2): Jackrito, ZeDorkSlipeur
Rhand (2): Lastwhisper, Tomsloger
ZeDorkSlipeur (1): Rodemy
Gentleman Johnny (1): Vaimes
Tomsloger (1): Rhand
Not Voting (4): FlargBlarg, Tubba Fett, Zionite, Slothful
Rhand (4): Lastwhisper, Tomsloger, Zionite, Gentleman Johnny
Tomsloger (2): Rhand, Slothful
Zionite (2): Tubba Fett, Rodemy
Rodemy (1): YWFMLF
Gentleman Johnny (1): Vaimes
Vaimes (1): ZeDorkSlipeur
Not Voting (2): FlargBlarg, Jackrito
Tomsloger (4): Rhand, Slothful, Zionite, Vaimes
Zionite (4): Tubba Fett, Rodemy, ZeDorkSlipeur, Gentleman Johnny
Rodemy (2): Lastwhisper, Tomsloger
Not Voting (3): FlargBlarg, Jackrito, YWFMLF
Rodemy (6): Lastwhisper, Tomsloger, FlargBlarg, Jackrito, Zionite, Vaimes (L-1)
Zionite (4): Tubba Fett, Rodemy, ZeDorkSlipeur, Rhand
Tomsloger (1): Slothful
Not Voting (2): YWFMLF, Gentleman Johnny
Zionite (5): Tubba Fett, Rodemy, ZeDorkSlipeur, FlargBlarg, Rhand
Rodemy (5): Lastwhisper, Tomsloger, Zionite, Vaimes, YWFMLF
Tomsloger (1): Slothful
Rhand (1): Gentleman Johnny
Not Voting (1): Jackrito
Rodemy (6): Lastwhisper, Vaimes, YWFMLF, Zionite, Gentleman Johnny, Jackrito
Zionite (4): Tubba Fett, ZeDorkSlipeur, FlargBlarg, Rhand
Rhand (2): Tomsloger, Rodemy
Tomsloger (1): Slothful
I think my thoughts here are pretty clear? I have a scumread on tom but that doesn't mesh with my townread on KCC(Rodemy).
Gamestate-wise with 2 stalled wagons, scum!Rodemy makes sense, but again that doesn't mesh with my KCC(Rodemy) read.
Lynching tom without lynching Rodemy first makes no sense. So I don't know what to do with that mess; I hope a reread makes things more clear.
Vaimes pointed that out in our cellchat and I think he's right.
I also think I did something very stupid and have to claim now that Flarg replaced out. He was the whole reason I didn't want to claim, but I think I got blindsided by his cell posting and he's mafia.
You read that right: mafia, not SK. Because I am the one that killed Grape and Zionite.
When I saw that N1 had only one flip, I decided that I had to share that info, and with the messaging system I figured I could do so without outing myself as the vig.
So I sent Flarg, who I was townreading, a message proposing him to claim the shot.
I tried to stop the message when I saw Sloth's claim but it was too late: Shadow had already sent it. And Flarg ran with it, probably because of the pressure from ZDS he had at the time.
I sent another message toDay to Flarg to talk about whether to keep this up or not, but he never replied.
I noticed something in his ISO and cellchat that I think makes him mafia: he made a completely unexplained 180 on Zio. He was convinced KJ/Zio were town/town, and yesterDay he ended up voting Zio. That vote in itself could be there to get a lynch that isn't Rodemy if you read it, but in cellchat he agreed with me when I thought that one of Rod/Zio had to be scum with how the wagons stalled and that it had to be Zio. That is so opposite to his Zio read that I don't believe he didn't give that more thought than this. I think he's mafia and I helped him make us blind to that by handing him a claim.
I'm not a full vig. My role is compulsive gambler. I have to target someone at Night and have a 50/50% chance of being doc or vig.
If I am on a town lynch, the chance becomes 75%vig/25%doc. If I am on a mafia lynch, it's 25%vig/75%doc.
That's why I want to be on lynch wagons: it gives more control over what my role actually does.
I vigged Grape with 75% chance and Zio with 50% chance.
vote Kpaca
I claimed my rolename to my cellmates (not what it did) because Last said near the end of Day 1 something like "you won the gamble" and that freaked me out, and I wanted to talk with someone about that. If they would have tampered with it N1, they would know I would suspect that one of them was responsible for that. Especially because both of them completely missed that I was softing power.
When Flarg took my claim, there's no way he could still tamper with my role. I would know it was him.
Based on this claim I'm looking at two most likely scenarii:
1) Rhand is a *****ty nerfed vig (implying 4 scum), with very decent chances of him being the only town in Cell E;
2) Rhand is the SK (or a scumvig) (implying 3 scum) and the coronavirus is attacking his brain directly.
I want scenario 1 to be completely true, I will feel so vindicated if my initial analysis of Flarg was completely right and he and Vaimes are buddies.
In the end the claim doesn't actually change much for me right now since I will still gladly lynch either Kpaca or Vaimes, just for different reasons now re:Kpaca (well technically I'm back to my initial reasons from early Day 2).
For the record just the fact there is now an explanation for why Flarg claimed out of the blue makes me mostly believe the claim. I have doubts about the part with the 50/50 chance, but that's set-up speculation and irrelevant given the timing (had the votes currently on Fpargca been on Rhand instead, I would have probably jumped to the opposite conclusions).
@Kpaca & @Vaimes Can you confirm Rhand rolenamed claim in your chat?
@Kpaca Can you confirm the whispers?
@Rhand Why vig Grapefruit? Who else were you considering, if anyone?
@Rhand While you were townreading Flarg, what were you planning to do if he ever died?
Grape because I was scumreading him and KJ was too, that reinforced my read.
And then in cellchat he was one of our common scumreads.
I considered Zionite but my cellmates talked me out of that, and GJ and you.
I figured I would get a more solid read on you by pushing you Day 2, while I know from experience my reads on Grape and GJ are hard to evolve.
If Flarg would die, depending on his flip, I would either claim in thread or talk to Vaimes.
With a scum flip I would see if Vaimes wants to take over the claim, with a town flip I would just claim in thread.
This is that post that freaked me out so much.
I first thought LW was a N0 rolecop or something, but that seemed wrong for town to have and mafia wouldn’t let me know they knew my rolename.
I’m happy I know he’s town now, because this kept burning in the back of my brain.
......Uggggh. I was starting to wonder this the second Shadow said he was replacing Flarg. Cause if he's replacing out due to inactivity and he's bogged down with corona BS when did he have time to get an action in. I was hoping it was too tinfoil hatty and I was getting ahead of myself.
Will be on more later. Got job work to do
vote kpaca
It's 8am I'm not fully awake, don't ******* Lynch this till I can read and understand it all
Bye!
@ZDS: I looked up Gambler on MU when he first claimed it, said something about guessing who would get lunched/shot and you’d get a one-shot vig. A little different here but lmao.
My flip would reveal Flarg is lying.
But why did you do all this?
In town!Rhand worlds, tell me why you let him use your claim?
And why would you continue to play this game, if Flarg had died if u hadn't claimed
I just don't get it, and now if Flarg flips town, we are in such a bad spot, w/e I guess, this won't be my fault
Why neither of you were killed over sloth?
Man I really hate NKA
Vigs never claim after a town flip, but now I realized I could share in thread that Grape was a vig shot without having to claim.
I had to bite my lip a lot with all the SK speculation though, but I still think this was the right call. I just used the wrong person.
And in my mind makes u more likely to be a wolf
I'm not letting this claim go, not until u are dead
I don't understand the conclusion you're reaching here.
Meh, it’d reveal you were lying too.
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if flarg was scum he would have had the team kill you asap
Vote rhand
But why? He could influence who I'm shooting in our cell chat. As long as my reads are off at Night,
huh?
What is the point of claiming this for scum!rhand @last.
flarg is on the chopping block, Unless there was a decreased chance of him getting lynched?.
8/3
lynch town!flarg
Scum!rhand kills
Mafia kills
5/3
Lylo
Eh.
I don’t see a good reason for scum!rhand to lie about this.
But also why would flarg be scum? If he knew you were a vig, you would have died, right?
Gentleman Johnny's motivation can't go any lower !!!!
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The goal was to reveal that Grape was a vig shot without revealing the vig.
By the time flarg saw the message, Sloth had already revealed that he was the NK. So there was no point anymore.
Without that reveal by Sloth, I am convinced this is the way to go in this game.
I picked flarg because at the time I was townreading him way harder than Vaimes.
If Flarg/Kpaca is mafia, they can't reveal what I did because that costs him his cover. Hence he couldn't deal with me other than staying on my good side. Which he managed for a long time.
As mafia he goes along with it because it gives him a fake claim, and he was under pressure.
As town... in retrospect I should have realized sooner that with Sloth's reveal, he should not have gone along with it in the first place and probably isn't town.
No, not after he claimed it. It would blow his own cover and open him up for lynch again. The vig claim got ZDS off his back.
The only thing he could have done to NK me is not go along with the plan.
Kpaca (4): Gentleman Johnny, ZeDorkSlipeur, Vaimes, Rhand
Rodemy (2): YWFMLF, Tubba Fett
Tomsloger (1): Lastwhisper
Not Voting (4): Jackrito, kpaca, Tomsloger, Rodemy
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is March 25th at 2000 MST.
And then, the idea of letting his teamates know. Rhand claimed his ******* wagon thing into the thread. Even if his cell is entirely town, it wouldn't have been hard to rolecop/roleblock anyway. He didn't exactly make it subtle he was a PR. He practically screamed it.
And all of the above is ASSUMING the role is real...I just. Rhand is a good player. I can't buy that he as town thought this was a good way to play this... Or that he would take such a bad hero shot night 1.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Eh I never saw this ability as doc. I'm not going to maybe vig a townread. I see it as a vig that doesn't always hit. Which is not that weird? Not sure why you put this in bastard territory.
I know I wasn't subtle. I had no choice. I didn't want to end up with the 50/50 thing.
I did not claim what my role did to Vaimes though, and if I wasn't forced to claim the need to be on a wagon D1, I wouldn't have said anything in cell chat.
I stand by the fact that it WAS a good way to play this if Sloth hadn't claimed being NK'ed. Which he hadn't when I sent Shadow the message for Flarg.
And in my eyes Grape wasn't a bad shot. I was scumreading him, KJ was scumreading him and my cellmates were scumreading him.
This whole situation is infuriating.
Anything resolving percentage chance is bastard level. Anything that resolves the same game playing different ways with the exact same levels of actions is bastard. What if Zionite was a wolf, but you misfired last night. There would be some really bad feels. Or if you shot wolfzion, but misfired on town grape.
The GJ way path to no lynching: