Lynch me. If you think I can replace into a game with 30+ pages near deadline and try and figure this ***** out, you gravely overestimate me.
Lose the ******* game and never see me again. This is not the mtg I grew up with and it’s sad that all this frustration and anger is being massively shown.
It’s a ******* game guys. Calm down.
my dude, you pushed confirmed town and got 2 votes for it and annoyed people.
Now youve read the flip, move on dont quit. You telling me you wouldnt be annoyed by someone doing that?
no.
I’d explain instead of vote. Ayyye people make mistakes. I read mason. Didn’t comprehend the next part apparently. So yeah, I’m a little frustrated at the reaction.
Gj seems to think I did it on purpose. Look there. Voted me for it. Now, from my point of view, scum.
Vaimes is because Z and I talked last night and he said vaimes had a lot of nothing. Also scum had to be in the Zion wagon and vaimes is a good bet. call it gut.
ywfmlf for reasons I honestly forgot but remember a clear indication of me going : yeah he’s scum. I think it was his behavior at the beginning of d2
behavioral and mechanical analysis. Thanks.
Now go ahead and yell at me. Tell me how wrong I am. Tell me how dumb these reads are. Go ahead. It’s being done every time I say something.
This doesn’t feel like scumTom. But he is the only one I would say could replace one of those 3. But other than that, I don’t feel like rhand is scum. Last is cleared. Tubba is cleared. ZDS feels super towny. Jack feels genuine in his frustration towards me and if scum he wouldn’t care that much.
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Oh and flarg is cleared because why would scum get an extra shot every night :/ op af and so far no other abilities have been apparent. So he is probably just an SK
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Oh and flarg is cleared because why would scum get an extra shot every night :/ op af and so far no other abilities have been apparent. So he is probably just an SK
What posts have you read that makes anyone think that Flarg is clear? The numbers hard point to him not being town.
Oh and flarg is cleared because why would scum get an extra shot every night :/ op af and so far no other abilities have been apparent. So he is probably just an SK
What posts have you read that makes anyone think that Flarg is clear? The numbers hard point to him not being town.
he probably is town though. with 2 nks per night for the scumteam, that’s massively overpowered and unfair for the town. Especially with no counteraction.
So a town vig with multishot is a op for town too. So he is probably a neutral. All we have are 3 masons. And scum aren’t blocking flargs shots because they know he will shoot town. That is what makes sense to me. So he is either town or neutral, not scum.
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All three had to be town. Because they didn’t attempt to stop flarg last night. Or they just knew he would hit me or Zion, both town and knew he wouldn’t hit rhand, but still: rhand is town in this situation.
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I didn't think you did it on purpose. I think you didn't care about the flip.
if I was scum you bet your ass I’d care about the flip. I love knowing what we killed as scum.
So as town, you don't care then?
Like it's clear you didn't think the role was relevant, or inquired about who the partner(s) were. I have to guess what to make of that. You saw the mason keyword, I assume. Why did you think trying to find the partner (if you didn't know the entire block was clear) wasn't relevant to this point in the game?
I didn't think you did it on purpose. I think you didn't care about the flip.
if I was scum you bet your ass I’d care about the flip. I love knowing what we killed as scum.
So as town, you don't care then?
Like it's clear you didn't think the role was relevant, or inquired about who the partner(s) were. I have to guess what to make of that. You saw the mason keyword, I assume. Why did you think trying to find the partner (if you didn't know the entire block was clear) wasn't relevant to this point in the game?
never said it wasn’t. Just thought last wasn’t it. Putting words in my mouth. Super scummy, GJ
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On massclaiming and whether we are close to M/LyLo:
Worst case scenario, if there are 4 scum and if 3 town die this cycle (1 toDay & 2 toNight), the sun will never rise toMorrow.
In the scenario where there are 3 scum + SK Flarg, 3 town deaths "only" put us in MyLo (crossfiring notwithstanding). Same if there are 3 scum including scumvig Flarg.
So maybe a massclaim isn't a bad idea indeed.
Vaimes starts.
(Actually if we do massclaim we should determine a claim order before we start at all.)
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@Rodemy Take a deep breath and cool down. You are taking this whole situation far too personally. If you can't catch up then don't catch up and focus on current events (but do check for relevant info). I think your frustration is sincere and I doubt you were lying in cell chat about your lasting bitterness from Token. Maybe I'm too trusting, but I dare hope you wouldn't be trying this hard to appeal to emotions as scum. So chill. Breathe in. Breathe out.
@YWF Do you have any thoughts on Vaimes?
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I don't want Rodemy's franticness to distract from the Vaimes wagon.
I didn't think you did it on purpose. I think you didn't care about the flip.
if I was scum you bet your ass I’d care about the flip. I love knowing what we killed as scum.
So as town, you don't care then?
Like it's clear you didn't think the role was relevant, or inquired about who the partner(s) were. I have to guess what to make of that. You saw the mason keyword, I assume. Why did you think trying to find the partner (if you didn't know the entire block was clear) wasn't relevant to this point in the game?
never said it wasn’t. Just thought last wasn’t it. Putting words in my mouth. Super scummy, GJ
Rhand's softing something all game, and hasn't been that stealthy about it. I am no longer interested in playing this close to the chest, especially when the next two nights are pretty much set for wolf night kills.
I'll go 2nd!
Vaimes
GJ
tom
Jack
Rhand
(I don't really care after this, do you?)
Right the reason we dont habe to worry about lylo/mylo until tomorrow
IF theres 4 scum to make it that close, flarg is prolly town vig still.
4 v 11 with scum having 2 extra shots is already a soft no, but 3 shots is just impossible imo
3 v 1 v 10 is the worry here. And with mislynch>2 dead town at night thats 4v3v1 tomorrow which might be kingmaker.
But thats an argument to take out flarg today not massclaim
In the tone of Agent Washington I just sigh "Jesus Christ....."
@zds I admit I struggle to read Vaimes. I ****ed up....badly with him as town the last game I played and I've found I have no idea how to read him. I don't think he's added...much to this game but nothing has actively sat up and slapped me in the face as scummy.
Definitely feels like a lot of anti death mech if the nontowns only have a nightkill.
Idk if this points to flarg being scumvig over SK but it definitely points to him not being town.
Might be a better vote than rod or vaimes...
Only 1 kill tonight would mean worst case scenario 5v4 tomorrow and we deserve perpetual lylo for lynching town vig...
But like
Its usually get SK and its 6v3 and sometimes hes scum vig and were actually in great position
Definitely feels like a lot of anti death mech if the nontowns only have a nightkill.
Idk if this points to flarg being scumvig over SK but it definitely points to him not being town.
Why does lots of town protection mean not town vig? Wouldn't it be part of the balance to make sure a town vig isn't killing teammates over and over early on?
I think id pretty much confirm that with a 5th town PR claim <that i believed> but im almost sure id rather it stay hidden
But the addition of the masons learning their BP was used up to make sure they/we know theres two shots going around adds up to flarg not being town almost always
I think id pretty much confirm that with a 5th town PR claim <that i believed> but im almost sure id rather it stay hidden
But the addition of the masons learning their BP was used up to make sure they/we know theres two shots going around adds up to flarg not being town almost always
Definitely feels like a lot of anti death mech if the nontowns only have a nightkill.
Idk if this points to flarg being scumvig over SK but it definitely points to him not being town.
Why does lots of town protection mean not town vig? Wouldn't it be part of the balance to make sure a town vig isn't killing teammates over and over early on?
it would mean that in setup design the active idea of balance was "make town more likely ineffective rather than giving scum ways to deal with town roles
Thats... not imbalanced its actively unfun setup design.
Town roles deal with antitown roles... much more elegant
I think id pretty much confirm that with a 5th town PR claim <that i believed> but im almost sure id rather it stay hidden
But the addition of the masons learning their BP was used up to make sure they/we know theres two shots going around adds up to flarg not being town almost always
And if I said it shouldn't?
shouldnt stay hidden or shouldnt add up to nontown flarg?
Definitely feels like a lot of anti death mech if the nontowns only have a nightkill.
Idk if this points to flarg being scumvig over SK but it definitely points to him not being town.
Why does lots of town protection mean not town vig? Wouldn't it be part of the balance to make sure a town vig isn't killing teammates over and over early on?
You're only saying that because you know if you survive the Day, he's just gonna off you.
is that why?
Could have sworn its because im setup gaming
How do you build a team with flarg as townvig?
Is there 4 scum?
Does it still have to be me+rod?
Sticking with townrhand because of a cell block agreement?
Look with masons flipped, and our PR outted, and FLarg running out, there is no reason to just sit on this information. The closest we are going to get from these flips is the fact that the masons did the equivalence of flipping two ICs.
We need to figure out who to take out. Flarg if he is the SK has to actually shoot for wolves at this stage, lest he risks getting end games.
tom: Mass claiming now is a bad idea
Also tom: Let's spectate and go after a guy based on the claims out there now
I don't follow your logic. Rhand clearly isn't getting ****ed with despite softing since day 1. Flarg isn't getting blocked either, or redirected. We need to solve this today. Or we might not have tomorrow. Even if we lynch correctly today, FLarg might be a problem later days, and a claim might be too late.
11 alive, maybe it is just flarg and pray he doesn't flip town.
Still leaves us in a lynch or lose situation tomorrow though unless he is a wolf vig.
AtE is really obnoxious, and I almost want to lynch Rod on principle. That and I have seen far stronger AtE from other players that ends up being from wolves.
I would defer Rhand for today on some slim chance he probably catches a bullet if we hit their rb/jk if he is town. I can't tell if his soft was to try and keep people from pushing or what have you, of just FPS on his part, but it's strange. Behavior wise, I think he is wolfy.
Flarg is Flarg. I keep facepalming at how many people claim vigs as sk, and somehow think that's a winning strategy. Even a wolf might be hesitant unless he was forced.
Rod is just a god damn mess and should have been vigged yesterday over ZIonite. And I don't mean personally, just from a reading level. Like, I think I am going to try and look at the zionite wagon yesterday, because even that shove, it seemed like it wasn't a wolf push, but a PoE push which is beyond ridiculous.
Vaimes, I don't recall doing a single relevant thing this entire game. His impact has been maybe, slightly > zero. Wagons have never gone his way per his reads, and he doesn't seem that bothered by it. Just washes his hands and bows his head. I would be furiously shoving me right now if I was him, as in his world, I am laughing manically at how the town continues to ***** the bed.
Jack....I don't even know. Decent town read from day 1, and then what did he do with it? I feel like he has been pretty low impact as well, and at mostly a head of what to do. I definitely have to reread here as well to try and get a hint, but he is such a weird slot. Tbf, Tubba would have been right here as well without that flip, but still.
Lynch today should be Rod/Vaimes or Flarg. I will try to make case(s) with haste today or tomorrow.
Oh and flarg is cleared because why would scum get an extra shot every night :/ op af and so far no other abilities have been apparent. So he is probably just an SK
First of all Unvote, there was a relevant ability in the town roleblocker. So, Flarg isn’t cleared and I don’t see how they can be.
no.
I’d explain instead of vote. Ayyye people make mistakes. I read mason. Didn’t comprehend the next part apparently. So yeah, I’m a little frustrated at the reaction.
Gj seems to think I did it on purpose. Look there. Voted me for it. Now, from my point of view, scum.
Vaimes is because Z and I talked last night and he said vaimes had a lot of nothing. Also scum had to be in the Zion wagon and vaimes is a good bet. call it gut.
ywfmlf for reasons I honestly forgot but remember a clear indication of me going : yeah he’s scum. I think it was his behavior at the beginning of d2
behavioral and mechanical analysis. Thanks.
Now go ahead and yell at me. Tell me how wrong I am. Tell me how dumb these reads are. Go ahead. It’s being done every time I say something.
This doesn’t feel like scumTom. But he is the only one I would say could replace one of those 3. But other than that, I don’t feel like rhand is scum. Last is cleared. Tubba is cleared. ZDS feels super towny. Jack feels genuine in his frustration towards me and if scum he wouldn’t care that much.
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What posts have you read that makes anyone think that Flarg is clear? The numbers hard point to him not being town.
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he probably is town though. with 2 nks per night for the scumteam, that’s massively overpowered and unfair for the town. Especially with no counteraction.
So a town vig with multishot is a op for town too. So he is probably a neutral. All we have are 3 masons. And scum aren’t blocking flargs shots because they know he will shoot town. That is what makes sense to me. So he is either town or neutral, not scum.
All three had to be town. Because they didn’t attempt to stop flarg last night. Or they just knew he would hit me or Zion, both town and knew he wouldn’t hit rhand, but still: rhand is town in this situation.
**** out of my game
if I was scum you bet your ass I’d care about the flip. I love knowing what we killed as scum.
There it is.
No.
So as town, you don't care then?
Like it's clear you didn't think the role was relevant, or inquired about who the partner(s) were. I have to guess what to make of that. You saw the mason keyword, I assume. Why did you think trying to find the partner (if you didn't know the entire block was clear) wasn't relevant to this point in the game?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
never said it wasn’t. Just thought last wasn’t it. Putting words in my mouth. Super scummy, GJ
Worst case scenario, if there are 4 scum and if 3 town die this cycle (1 toDay & 2 toNight), the sun will never rise toMorrow.
In the scenario where there are 3 scum + SK Flarg, 3 town deaths "only" put us in MyLo (crossfiring notwithstanding). Same if there are 3 scum including scumvig Flarg.
So maybe a massclaim isn't a bad idea indeed.
Vaimes starts.
(Actually if we do massclaim we should determine a claim order before we start at all.)
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@Rodemy Take a deep breath and cool down. You are taking this whole situation far too personally. If you can't catch up then don't catch up and focus on current events (but do check for relevant info). I think your frustration is sincere and I doubt you were lying in cell chat about your lasting bitterness from Token. Maybe I'm too trusting, but I dare hope you wouldn't be trying this hard to appeal to emotions as scum. So chill. Breathe in. Breathe out.
@YWF Do you have any thoughts on Vaimes?
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I don't want Rodemy's franticness to distract from the Vaimes wagon.
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You think roleblocker + 3 masons is enough town power?
Youre sure scum have a way to mess with flargs shot?
Any opinion on vaimes of your own?
Though somewhat chance that role more or less confirms flarg non-town (along with KJs roleblock)
I still dont think that means we lynch flarg today...
But 3 masons/rb/<anything else> + vig already seems unlikely
When you make that 2 roles that can potentially stop that vig its even worse
I mean no lets not massclaim
That was use dup night 1
I'll go 2nd!
Vaimes
GJ
tom
Jack
Rhand
(I don't really care after this, do you?)
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I don’t know what is and isn’t enough town power, just that it’s too much for scum to have 2 kills at night and no town counter.
scum so have a way to mess with flargs shot: they kill him. ( that comes before action, right?)
And on vaimes. I actually am going off of what z said in the chat last night: there is a whole lot of nothing. And I know vaimes has things as town.
So my opinion is I trust z.
IF theres 4 scum to make it that close, flarg is prolly town vig still.
4 v 11 with scum having 2 extra shots is already a soft no, but 3 shots is just impossible imo
3 v 1 v 10 is the worry here. And with mislynch>2 dead town at night thats 4v3v1 tomorrow which might be kingmaker.
But thats an argument to take out flarg today not massclaim
sloth claims BP. Flarg says he shot grape.
But sloth... wasn’t bp. At least his flip didn’t say he was.
So I think... maybe.. the doc protected him that night.
Ok thats interesting.
Recalculating
mph, my question: @masons
what was the BP claim about
Ok rod
@zds I admit I struggle to read Vaimes. I ****ed up....badly with him as town the last game I played and I've found I have no idea how to read him. I don't think he's added...much to this game but nothing has actively sat up and slapped me in the face as scummy.
Roleblocker
3 masons with shared BP
Definitely feels like a lot of anti death mech if the nontowns only have a nightkill.
Idk if this points to flarg being scumvig over SK but it definitely points to him not being town.
Might be a better vote than rod or vaimes...
Only 1 kill tonight would mean worst case scenario 5v4 tomorrow and we deserve perpetual lylo for lynching town vig...
But like
Its usually get SK and its 6v3 and sometimes hes scum vig and were actually in great position
Tentatively and timidly
vote flarg
hey! It got answered. Lol timing.
Hush Tom.
Why does lots of town protection mean not town vig? Wouldn't it be part of the balance to make sure a town vig isn't killing teammates over and over early on?
But the addition of the masons learning their BP was used up to make sure they/we know theres two shots going around adds up to flarg not being town almost always
And if I said it shouldn't?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Thats... not imbalanced its actively unfun setup design.
Town roles deal with antitown roles... much more elegant
Id ask you to explain why either way
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Could have sworn its because im setup gaming
How do you build a team with flarg as townvig?
Is there 4 scum?
Does it still have to be me+rod?
Sticking with townrhand because of a cell block agreement?
If everyone else claimed vanilla town, would you think "yup these roles make sense as a town team"?
Scum have, what, an info role and some kind of protective/jk/redirector for themselves?
We need to figure out who to take out. Flarg if he is the SK has to actually shoot for wolves at this stage, lest he risks getting end games.
tom: Mass claiming now is a bad idea
Also tom: Let's spectate and go after a guy based on the claims out there now
I don't follow your logic. Rhand clearly isn't getting ****ed with despite softing since day 1. Flarg isn't getting blocked either, or redirected. We need to solve this today. Or we might not have tomorrow. Even if we lynch correctly today, FLarg might be a problem later days, and a claim might be too late.
I want to see what Rhand thinks.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I would guess bare minimum, a rolecop and perhaps RB/JK. Former if 1v1, the later if we have 3rd party.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
11 alive, maybe it is just flarg and pray he doesn't flip town.
Still leaves us in a lynch or lose situation tomorrow though unless he is a wolf vig.
AtE is really obnoxious, and I almost want to lynch Rod on principle. That and I have seen far stronger AtE from other players that ends up being from wolves.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Me/LW/Tubba as lock village
tom/ZDS/YWFMLF is pretty strong as town.
That leaves Flarg/Rhand/Rod/Vaimes/Jack
I would defer Rhand for today on some slim chance he probably catches a bullet if we hit their rb/jk if he is town. I can't tell if his soft was to try and keep people from pushing or what have you, of just FPS on his part, but it's strange. Behavior wise, I think he is wolfy.
Flarg is Flarg. I keep facepalming at how many people claim vigs as sk, and somehow think that's a winning strategy. Even a wolf might be hesitant unless he was forced.
Rod is just a god damn mess and should have been vigged yesterday over ZIonite. And I don't mean personally, just from a reading level. Like, I think I am going to try and look at the zionite wagon yesterday, because even that shove, it seemed like it wasn't a wolf push, but a PoE push which is beyond ridiculous.
Vaimes, I don't recall doing a single relevant thing this entire game. His impact has been maybe, slightly > zero. Wagons have never gone his way per his reads, and he doesn't seem that bothered by it. Just washes his hands and bows his head. I would be furiously shoving me right now if I was him, as in his world, I am laughing manically at how the town continues to ***** the bed.
Jack....I don't even know. Decent town read from day 1, and then what did he do with it? I feel like he has been pretty low impact as well, and at mostly a head of what to do. I definitely have to reread here as well to try and get a hint, but he is such a weird slot. Tbf, Tubba would have been right here as well without that flip, but still.
Lynch today should be Rod/Vaimes or Flarg. I will try to make case(s) with haste today or tomorrow.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Rodemy (3): Gentleman Johnny, YWFMLF, Lastwhisper
Vaimes (2): ZeDorkSlipeur, Rhand
Tomsloger (2): Vaimes, Tubba Fett
Gentleman Johnny (1): Rodemy
FlargBlarg (1): Tomsloger
Not Voting (2): Jackrito, FlargBlarg
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is March 25th at 2000 MST.
jeepers dude
Vote Rodemy
Where are u at?
First of all Unvote, there was a relevant ability in the town roleblocker. So, Flarg isn’t cleared and I don’t see how they can be.
Work atm. Like I am most days when this gets busy.
The GJ way path to no lynching: