I have a weird feeling about today though, feels like a lot of ***** got said but that none of it really matters. Not sure if bad townplay or just scumplay - leaning the latter. I should reread later tonight when can take a clearer look to figure out who, if anyone, to pin that on.
Not going to lie being called a Kindred spirit is a first for me since I like to think my style is very unique to a decree, well depends how lazy I want to be lately not so much.
On being voted as such I get it, pretty fine with it also since a bit of attention is always nice and I like to have responses neg or pos.
Attempts to game the setup with a cell block analysis seems suspicious to me, but with not much to go on I understand the sentiment. Just the idea of 'let's make this meta thing the topic' distracts from actual evaluation of posts and it's fluff. Within page one however it makes some sense. I would be much more suspicious if there was other evidence to go on.
But yeah, it's random per rules.
Btw, this right here is the most pointless post of the game. It also seems to take care to appear to not be seen as such.
I know, someone else already brought it up, but I noticed too so,
Vote: Zionite
Btw, YWFMLF stands for You Will Fear My Laser Face.
Got to be honest that Zionite post is the type of neutral nonsense I pull as scum to try and look relevant and game solving, it is possible to come from town also but I agree it feels off and semi busy body work to a degree
so it's not just me that thinks that Grape seems to always come off as disingenuous?
clearly its a thing
kinda just want to listen to Zion's meta read on himself
though I don't even think his string of posts trying to find "something" amidst the RVS is that bad
I have a weird feeling about today though, feels like a lot of ***** got said but that none of it really matters. Not sure if bad townplay or just scumplay - leaning the latter. I should reread later tonight when can take a clearer look to figure out who, if anyone, to pin that on.
what exactly is there to reread? I am confused as to what this post accomplishes?
but sure reread and tell me what peaks your interests
@KJ I think tom's read is solid and I now can't form a read on Zionite separate from it. I think they are >rand to be town. Rand is what 75% so maybe up to 85%.
I agree on that section but Jack's wall and formulations are so natural to me. If Jack isn't generally a similar player to myself I think it's the sort of wall that's over the top and busy worky but can be genuine. The hedges on everything are what made me make the comparison to myself. That sort of hedging is usually scum indicative, but to a player who is a kindred spirit to me it's as natural as breathing. I'm voting because mafia in general tends to beat that personality quirk out of players so we're rare in general, but if Jack's town I'm sure it will be obvious that we're similar in that way.
Are you saying that you can't form a read on Zionite without Tom's read jumping into your head, or are you saying you had independent read, but Tom changed it and now you can't get past it?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
so it's not just me that thinks that Grape seems to always come off as disingenuous?
clearly its a thing
kinda just want to listen to Zion's meta read on himself
though I don't even think his string of posts trying to find "something" amidst the RVS is that bad
I usually have a hard time reading grape. It's the way he talks.
I'm gonna ask the same question I asked you last game: any entrance based insights? Almost everyone is here.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I have a weird feeling about today though, feels like a lot of ***** got said but that none of it really matters. Not sure if bad townplay or just scumplay - leaning the latter. I should reread later tonight when can take a clearer look to figure out who, if anyone, to pin that on.
what exactly is there to reread? I am confused as to what this post accomplishes?
but sure reread and tell me what peaks your interests
why of all the posts today is thisthe one where you're not sure what it accomplishes? I thought it was pretty clear but I suppose I can go into detail.
First off, I'm simply updating the thread as to where my head is at. Second off, I'm getting a scum ping from how much text has been posted (sizable amount) vs how much we've gotten moved forward from it (mot much). Even if that ping is not in a specific, refined state yet where I can say "________ is scummy for post #XYZ" talking about what I find scummy is generally beneficial, for reasons I assume are obvious. The reread (hopefully) accomplishes that refinement.
It's late AF though so it's not happening tonight.
Weird activity is already this sluggish so soon into D1.
FTR, I do agree that there is a lot of "text over content" thus far, but I haven't pointed it out 'cause there's nothing I find more useless/making-it-look-like-you-are-doing-something-when-you-are-not that making comments like that.
So those that brought it up and haven't said anything else of substance to offset it (flarg, Zi, I think a third?) probably have a scum there somewhere.
@KJ I think tom's read is solid and I now can't form a read on Zionite separate from it. I think they are >rand to be town. Rand is what 75% so maybe up to 85%.
Goddamnit, I ******* hate it when people use this term, for some reason it's hard for me to understand it.
This means you think the probability of them being town is higher than them being scum, right?
Hm, should I start this game by relentlessly bussing YWFMLF until she questions that maybe she IS scum and doesn't know it, as is my custom, or should I mix it up a bit?
Eff it. Vote YWFMLF
.....part of me REALLY wants to believe you aren't seriously trying the same god damned play as mafia two games in a row with me...
Hm, should I start this game by relentlessly bussing YWFMLF until she questions that maybe she IS scum and doesn't know it, as is my custom, or should I mix it up a bit?
Eff it. Vote YWFMLF
.....part of me REALLY wants to believe you aren't seriously trying the same god damned play as mafia two games in a row with me...
but really.....it would not surprise me.
feel like there is a disconnect between how you should feel and how this posts comes off, if you really believed this statement.
Don't like this post because it feels like you are already doubling down on Sloth when you don't need to
I have a weird feeling about today though, feels like a lot of ***** got said but that none of it really matters. Not sure if bad townplay or just scumplay - leaning the latter. I should reread later tonight when can take a clearer look to figure out who, if anyone, to pin that on.
what exactly is there to reread? I am confused as to what this post accomplishes?
but sure reread and tell me what peaks your interests
why of all the posts today is thisthe one where you're not sure what it accomplishes? I thought it was pretty clear but I suppose I can go into detail.
First off, I'm simply updating the thread as to where my head is at. Second off, I'm getting a scum ping from how much text has been posted (sizable amount) vs how much we've gotten moved forward from it (mot much). Even if that ping is not in a specific, refined state yet where I can say "________ is scummy for post #XYZ" talking about what I find scummy is generally beneficial, for reasons I assume are obvious. The reread (hopefully) accomplishes that refinement.
It's late AF though so it's not happening tonight.
I mean if people are being fluffy maybe they are being fluffy? Why does it have to mean anything? And what does this scum ping mean? That's my problem, it's just a general, "I have a bad feeling."
Don't like this post because it feels like you are already doubling down on Sloth when you don't need to
Also Sloth is town, so talk about something else
Less doubling down more glaring cause this is something he does. Badger me into playing a game and then is immediately a dick out the gate to me. Last time he threw me off my game with his BS tunneling and he was scum but he's right its less alignment indicative and more personality defects.
Also why is X the worst post when you have so many other Y posts (useless posts). Is just a big discredit, tell me which posts you think are t helping the game state? And maybe get back to me when you have some real thoughts
KCC, you represent both kitties and pastries, which at first glance makes me want to trust you.
But then, I seem to recall a time where a kitten who I had found to be adorable dug its wee lil claws into my finger deep enough to draw blood.
Not only that, but I also once had several cupcakes so utterly drowned in alcohol I could not walk straight for hours afterwards.
Both of these incidents seem to paint the very picture of scumminess.
On being voted as such I get it, pretty fine with it also since a bit of attention is always nice and I like to have responses neg or pos.
Got to be honest that Zionite post is the type of neutral nonsense I pull as scum to try and look relevant and game solving, it is possible to come from town also but I agree it feels off and semi busy body work to a degree
clearly its a thing
kinda just want to listen to Zion's meta read on himself
though I don't even think his string of posts trying to find "something" amidst the RVS is that bad
but sure reread and tell me what peaks your interests
But Jack pushing Zionite in a second degree manner in 204 is still feeling similar to me in an intense way though.
I'm gonna ask the same question I asked you last game: any entrance based insights? Almost everyone is here.
@KJ I had a squishy tone read that was practically nothing, Tom's read has replaced it because it previously wasn't really valid.
But it seems more likely i just dont know what im doing
B. Gentleman Johnny
D. KittyCupCake
D. ZeDorkSlipeur
@killjoy
not really?
vote: KCC
I want this slot to talk
Towncore
Ever
why of all the posts today is thisthe one where you're not sure what it accomplishes? I thought it was pretty clear but I suppose I can go into detail.
First off, I'm simply updating the thread as to where my head is at. Second off, I'm getting a scum ping from how much text has been posted (sizable amount) vs how much we've gotten moved forward from it (mot much). Even if that ping is not in a specific, refined state yet where I can say "________ is scummy for post #XYZ" talking about what I find scummy is generally beneficial, for reasons I assume are obvious. The reread (hopefully) accomplishes that refinement.
It's late AF though so it's not happening tonight.
More dog pictures please, those don't hurt as much as text.
When's the last time you were scum?
And after Seasons, I think you might be more deflated as town, but maybe more excited about a change of pace
About what?
FTR, I do agree that there is a lot of "text over content" thus far, but I haven't pointed it out 'cause there's nothing I find more useless/making-it-look-like-you-are-doing-something-when-you-are-not that making comments like that.
So those that brought it up and haven't said anything else of substance to offset it (flarg, Zi, I think a third?) probably have a scum there somewhere.
This means you think the probability of them being town is higher than them being scum, right?
.....part of me REALLY wants to believe you aren't seriously trying the same god damned play as mafia two games in a row with me...
but really.....it would not surprise me.
And Mafia won.
Sad.
Feh. Like alignment would make a difference to me ******* with you.
Thoughts?
Don't like this post because it feels like you are already doubling down on Sloth when you don't need to
Also Sloth is town, so talk about something else
It doesn't say anything
My first thought is that you don't
Less doubling down more glaring cause this is something he does. Badger me into playing a game and then is immediately a dick out the gate to me. Last time he threw me off my game with his BS tunneling and he was scum but he's right its less alignment indicative and more personality defects.
why do you think he's town LW?
This is probably a wolf?
I guess that's fair
Anyways, I did my job, off to work
I will badger you when you return to actually answer my question about your sloth certainty.
Not your fault. Or kjs for that matter
Any of you going after Proph would have been bad play
You're both scum then?
But then, I seem to recall a time where a kitten who I had found to be adorable dug its wee lil claws into my finger deep enough to draw blood.
Not only that, but I also once had several cupcakes so utterly drowned in alcohol I could not walk straight for hours afterwards.
Both of these incidents seem to paint the very picture of scumminess.
How do you respond to these accusations?
I plead guilty as charged.
Cocktail cupcakes are actually one of my specialties. And I also might occasionally scratch hard enough to draw blood