Obviously it’s not exactly the same, but it’s also not a completely unique role that shadow made up, which Rhand thought it was. Also jumping the gun and saying I must be mafia for assuming he had a vigshot, or for assuming he trusted and talked to Flarg more than me, is pretty mudslingy.
Flarg didn't claim in our chat, but we spent a lot of time comparing suspicions, and Grape came out on top, followed by GJ and ZDS.
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Flarg’s carefree posts in cell chat + his claim now are enough for me. I don’t think he’s mafia and if he’s SK he’ll have to kill in the POE anyways after his vig claim
RE: LW's 2648
A mafia lynch is just better than a possible SK.
tom is just looking at math, but we need a mafia lynch to find the other mafia.
If Flarg is town, we are most likely 7/4 now. Lynching him means 5/4 lylo with all mafia alive toMorrow.
Lynching mafia means 6/3 with one dead mafia and we have interactions to look at.
If he's SK, it's likely 7/3/1. Lynching him means 6/3 with all mafia alive.
Lynching mafia means 6/2/1 with interactions to look at if he doesn't shoot, 5/2/1 worst case scenario. Which is still not lylo and we have info we desperately need to solve this game.
Lynching town is obviously the worst case scenario, but scumhunting seems to have come to an almost full stop with this Flarg SK talk and we need to find the mafia team.
If the Flarg slot is SK and does shoot toNight after a town lynch, then he can take the full blame for losing the game for himself and town if he hits town. He HAS to not shoot or shoot mafia in that case. And I will urge him in cellchat to not shoot, regardless if he's town or SK.
Anyone that keeps thinking he might still be mafia: that's simply out of the question with more than one shot.
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I'm not a full vig. My role is compulsive gambler. I have to target someone at Night and have a 50/50% chance of being doc or vig.
If I am on a town lynch, the chance becomes 75%vig/25%doc. If I am on a mafia lynch, it's 25%vig/75%doc.
That's why I want to be on lynch wagons: it gives more control over what my role actually does.
I vigged Grape with 75% chance and Zio with 50% chance.
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I think that also explains why I was never tampered with.
<snip>
When Flarg took my claim, there's no way he could still tamper with my role. I would know it was him.
first things first, rhand "came clean" because of kpaca coming in. Not because flarg was getting lynched for it, because rhand was quite happy to vote him to L-1 while he was gone.
So that means its damage control, pure and simple. Didnt know what kpaca would do so he needed to get ahead of it.
Thats probably regardless of rhands alignment tbh
But rhand/kpaca not w/w
That does still leave a gaping question of
"Why claim even to flarg in the first place?" if hes sk or mafia
Which i dont know the answer too
But as town:
He said above he always wanted to use it as a vig shot. So he wouldnt want to be on every wagon, hed want to be on mislynches or offwagon if we hit scum. Which is a meh match to his votes.
Also not <super> buying his claimed progression to shooting grape. Like, hes got progression on grape, hes talking about flarg convincing him not to shoot zion.
But just
Looking at his reads the shot feels like it should be zion or maybe me but neither of us made the final 3 of grape/zds/gj
Not married to this bit
The post in the middle there, doing lylo math including flarg as sk, is
Well i guess its possible as town to include all that for some reason, but the actual theme/overarching point of the post is, with actual claim in mind, no dont kill me go for mafia.
Like
"A mafia lynch is just better than a possible SK.
tom is just looking at math, but we need a mafia lynch to find the other mafia."
"scumhunting seems to have come to an almost full stop with this Flarg SK talk and we need to find the mafia team."
"If the Flarg slot is SK <snip> He HAS to not shoot or shoot mafia in that case"
"Anyone that keeps thinking he might still be mafia: that's simply out of the question with more than one shot."
All from one post
Mechanically, all the reasons i had flarg as non-town apply to rhand.
Town has multiple ways to stop a kill (KJs rb, masons bp) because <non town> have additional kills
The mechanic hes claiming, with changing percentages based on flips, just makes more sense coming from not town. Actually makes the most sense from mafia, since it would be actual control via knowing alignments. But works with a neutral that doesnt actually care too, especially with the percentage going up in potential <mafia is dead> lategame where hed just be all thats left
Where as town:
A) think its more likely to just be results of lynch with rhands own vote not mattering
B) vig is better when youve just hit scum (info) amd doctor when youve just hit town (stop the bleeding)
C) also the doctor part is just a lie. Already had the bp and kjs roleblock theres clearly not more protection in this town
vote rhand
I think SK in a vacuum but thinking about the claim (day 2, not todays damage control) and the versions of the role he started with to get to that fakeclaim both make me think mafia vig.
But i dont think it matters.
I think the numbers show we lynch him today for being SK and if hes mafia vig its a bonus
(I wrote this post before seeing tom's, I'm keeping it as is because we sort of mindmelded even if our conclusions are different.)
In the first Prison Block Johnny was a neutral that needed to be NKed to win. I could see Rhand's play throughout the game making sense as nontown if he's a variation of that.
Otherwise, in spite of all the blatant contradictions and absolute nonsense coming from him, I maintain his play is more understandable from a townie perspective. Not, to be clear, the perspective of a thoughtful townie who makes the correct protown moves, but the perspective of a hasty townie who makes impulsive decisions he thought were good at the time.
... Is what I keep telling myself so I don't get lost in the details of how much is wrong about his entire play. Maybe the paranoid speculation up top is correct?
I will admit I'm running away from the Rhand/Kpaca dichotomy by falling back into a Vaimes vote, but there's a very possible worst case scenario where I'm wrong on Vaimes and Rhand is indeed some crazy suicidal SK role.
Maybe the safe play is to lynch Rhand to get rid of the second kill and big question mark, kind of like we were about to lynch Flarg only with a lot less certainty on what he's going to flip. Then we prepare for MyLo, because even if he may not be town I have an even harder time seeing him as scum (if he is all my reads become complete whack).
For now I'm gambling on the gambler being town and not worth lynching. Not when there are so much scummier players running around.
Yeah, mechanics would probably be enough for me here
Not only is he claiming a 3rd/5th role that can stop a kill, but hes also claiming the nontown kill power that would necessitate even the first two/four
Hes probably vig/manipulative role
Id guess redirect or busdrive?
Yeah, mechanics would probably be enough for me here
Not only is he claiming a 3rd/5th role that can stop a kill, but hes also claiming the nontown kill power that would necessitate even the first two/four
Hes probably vig/manipulative role
Id guess redirect or busdrive?
The masons had a collective BP vest but you can hardly count all three of them as a protective role. There was also Killjoy. That's not a lot of protective power, actually. I wouldn't even count Rhand as a doctor, more as a *****ty vig that can miss.
But I agree, like I said before his claim is probably at least partially false (or incomplete). I expect him to have a reason for lying (kind of like Sloth did), whatever side he's on, and I don't want to speculate in public about it.
I maintain everything I've said before about perspectives and timing and how he makes the most sense as town (suicide win-con shenanigans nonwithstanding), and I hate how he's getting voted for "mechanics" and a bad unprompted claim, but I do wish we could nuke cell E from orbit. Only we can't, and he's the worst lynch of the three in that cell, for reasons mentioned in this paragraph.
Also I'm tired of seeing my suspects coasting peacefully despite being on a lot of radars, while the town's attention is distracted by the sweet smell of the low hanging fruit du jour.
I think the reason he claimed today is 100% because he couldnt predict what kpaca would do.
And i think as town hed rather see for himself than get in front of it by coming clean preemptively
Unless you mean the initial claim to flarg which
Yeah seems <slightly> ok if hes town and just bad if hes not.
But im definitely more set on behavior, both in general and around claim stuff in particular, and mechanics than that stuff full stop
What if he genuinely believes he has caught Flarg red-handed through their chat?
For what reasons could he not have waited and seen as nontown?
I think he's A) impulsive town, or B) neutral with a silly win-con (or town with a silly alt-win-con). If he's C) scum, who would be his buddies in your opinion? If he's B') plain old SK, why claim and not let things unfold?
Although looking back now, I could see him claiming as SK to hurry up the Kpaca lynch before he posts. It fits the impulsive behaviour, the oddities about his claim(s), and the lack of probable buddies (IMO).
**** it. I need to re-read him properly from the SK perspective. Until now I was so sure if there was one it had to be Flarg.
But then again, if he is an SK, why paint a target on his back with the heavy handed power hinting? There are just too many things that don't make sense no matter what.
All I can say for nearly sure is he's making a gamble with this claim.
Im definitely not saying town would always wait and see what kpaca did, but its certainly what i would do.
Though more accurately, i dont think id be in this situation...
But i think, coupled with putting flarg in hammer range, it definitely shows the reason he claimed today.
He had to.
But really thats not informing my read of rhand, just not partners with flargslot
As town its just
Same thing he did a thing now its changing time to come clean.
Its whatever
I definitely see what youre saying. The early softing doesnt make sense to me as any alignment so im defaulting to analysing it via "hes just using at as an excuse to be on any wagon and that doesnt even make sense with the mechanics hes claiming"
The claiming privately to flarg... again doesnt super make sense to me regardless short of using it as a way to read flarg which. He pretty actively didnt lol.
Honestly really not feeling rhand but not certain enough to hammer if tons count is correct. It all just seems too much like trying to cover his ass one the the replacement set In. 6 is hammer right?
You know what? On second thought, I don't give a *****. Rhand played this weird as ******* hell, and it just didn't make sense unless he had a 100% sure shot that Rodemy is town. There was no reason to release his info if he was town other than to throw logic out the window.
If he's town, it sucks. But since he might shoot on another town mislynch anyway. Unvote, Vote Rhand
Prison life today was a mess. In an effort to weed out a killer, many people drew the ire of the masses. In then end, a man’s life was ended, and everyone was sent to their cells early to prevent more violence.
Rhand has been lynched! He was:
Player: Rhand
Name: William Hertz
Cell: E
Profession: HitMan (Fake Claim: Insurance Sales as cover)
Most recent conviction(s): Manslaughter, 4 counts (Fake Claim: Tax evasion, Grand Larceny as cover)
Alignment: Neutral
Role: Hitman - You may target and kill a player once each night (3 shot limit). You win and leave the game if you kill a member of the Mafia team and a Town Mason. Being on the lynch wagon count towards this goal.
It is now night 3. Please submit all actions by March 23, 1800 MST.
You awake the next morning, even more on edge than yesterday. And with good reason.
Lastwhisper was found with dead in the library! He was bleeding from his now empty eye sockets.
Lastwhisper has died! He was:
Player: Lastwhisper
Name: Vance Knight
Cell: C
Profession: Cop
Most recent conviction(s): Extortion
Alignment: Town
Role: Mason - Cell C contains only Town Masons.
It is now day 4, with 9 alive it is 5 to lynch. Deadline is March 31 at 2000 MST.
IF the mafia team setupgames like me (aka correctly)
That kill means mafia PRs are pretty weak. Theyre saying they dont think theres a town PR out there more powerful than the <outed mason in a neighbors game who already used their BP> aka an unlynchable VT
Unfortunately theres no actual guarantee there plenty of wolves would just kill the townfirmed players and not think further.
But i think this can be applied to scumteams with gj and kpaca, probably zds/jack/ywf i dont know them really but they seem like thinkers
Im less "trying to find scum" and more "trying to figure out the number and identity of any townies in rod/kpaca/vaimes"
Like i mostly think theyre all scum but dont really think its a scumteam?
Does anyone disagree with that other than maybe adding me to the list?
@Johnny
— EoD2 you were confident enough in your Rhand scumread to push a CFD on him. Then D3 you no longer appeared to scumread him (unless that was implied in your desire to see him claim), even after his claim-gambit got you oh-so-mad and oh-so-tortured. When you hammered you partially justified it as "even if he's town it's still better that way" (not an exact quote). What happened between Day 2 and Day 3 that made you ostensibly drop your scumread?
— D1 your Vaimes push disappeared into thin air, D2 and D3 you mentioned several times having him in your scumdar, D3 you even complained about how he keeps passing right through the net. Now you "don't know what to make" of him. What happened and how serious was your scum read all along?
— D3 you wanted a massclaim. Is that still the case or was it an excuse to get Rhand to claim?
— Walk us through how your Flarg read progressed.
@tom
— Same question re:Flarg read.
@Johnny & @tom
You two have been buddy-buddy since D1, voting together and going on the same escapades. Typically, tom leads and Johnny follows (except once, with the CFD attempt on Rhand where roles were inverted). What do you currently think of each other?
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tomsloger's completely natural progression re:Flarg yesterDay:
— Mentions him as a possible town-vig in a 4-scum setup in #2408 ;
— Whispy interrogates Flarg in #2409 and #2410 ;
— Like a magician disappearing into thin air, Flarg stopped being mentioned as a possible town-vig in tom's subsequent post (#2411, #2412, #2413) ;
— From then on, tom would proceed to gradually push the lynch-Flarg-the-SK plan.
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Vote: Vaimes. Day 3 case still applies.
Johnny has also entered my scumlist, if that wasn't clear.
I'll be cutting kpaca some slack to see if he can redeem his predecessor's scumminess. Third spot on the scum team is between him and tom.
I (correctly) surmised that townvig was unlikely to exist in this game and that overwhelmed any flarg read i might have had. Now...
Dont understand the motivation for going along with rhands claim and now i cant ask. Gut says he was just happy to get pressure off himself?
Think your flarg case got caught in some playstyle weeds. Dont have much meta but i read enough from lasts links to get a general handle on personality or whatever
Dont care about anything kpaca said really
Oh i dont particularly have anything to say about johnny following me around a bunch?
Ive thought a few times if anyone's actively pocketing me its him. But like, if so im only noticing because its working and i swear i used to suspect him and idk what happened
We had a long chat In our cell last night and came up with the same final 4. I still don't trust Rod 100 per cent. So not going with his pick first just to be safe. I have most confidence in Vaimes flipping scum as well.
It’s vaimes and GJ guys. Third is either Tom or flarg. Let’s go and stop messing around.
I would like to hear where suddenly Tom came to be on your list. This is the first I recall seeing ANY mention of his "attitude"
POE. I talked last night in my cell exstensivley and came to the conclusion that Tom is probably scum. His voting (HE STARTED THE RHAND WAGON EOD2 when we tried to lynch flarg.)
johnny followed. He has also been voting with his sci reads.
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@ZDS:
— EoD2 you were confident enough in your Rhand scumread to push a CFD on him. Then D3 you no longer appeared to scumread him (unless that was implied in your desire to see him claim), even after his claim-gambit got you oh-so-mad and oh-so-tortured. When you hammered you partially justified it as "even if he's town it's still better that way" (not an exact quote).
What happened between Day 2 and Day 3 that made you ostensibly drop your scumread?
I was aware he was doing his soft thing since late day 1/early day 2 (whenever he made his first comment about having to be on a wagon). I was immediately skeptical of it because the way it was being done didn't feel like a PR. It felt like (as I have said many times) a wolf try to preemptively keep people off him, or perhaps a vanilla trying to lure a nk. Because he wasn't really hunting most of the game, I assumed the former. The thing is is that I am not infalliable. And while that might be a no ***** sherlock moment, I knew there was a chance I could be wrong, and maybe Rhand really did just turn his cards faceup, and do whatever. If he did, I should try to pursue others and eventually ***** would happen.
My CFD on Rhand night 2 was because at the time of it, the wagons were Zionite and Tom. Those wagons were *****, and while I am not going to find it again, Rhand made a disgusting comment of "oh, these are probably both town, but mehh". I wish I could say that is a major paraphrase, but since I myself thought the same thing, but no one, least him sounded like he not only didn't care, but have no intention of humoring a jump, I decided to try for a third option when it very much looked like we were staring at V/V wagons day 2.
What happened between Day 2 and Day 3 that made you ostensibly drop your scumread?
Nothing. I never dropped my read. It merely moved from weaker to stronger. My team I have been working since day 2 is has been rotating around four/five players mostly: Rhand/Vaimes/Kpaca/Tubba/Rod. More KCC/Flarg admittedly, but there isn't five wolves so, and I may not even have half of it right. Tubba is obviously clear. Flarg/Kpaca was I thought falling hard but 'vig claim' kept it around. Rhand I wasn't sure how I wanted to handle it, but I figured he was likely to give himself more rope, so I focused on KCC at the time. I have played with Rhand for many years, and NEVER have I seen him play a role claim like that, ever. He has always been tight lipped unless he has a mechanic reason to out.
What happened and how serious was your scum read all along?
There wasn't any interest day 1. I was suspicious of KJ, and trusted tom on this one. I feel like he is playing super town right now. Call it a pocket if you want, but I am pretty much ICing you and him until F3. IF you are both are wolves, I will happily take the loss, because despite your low post count, I feel like you have been hunting more than everyone else apart from me and tom (you might not believe that, but I have and do )
Day 3, if Rhand hadn't did what he did, we were having a god damn tug of war between him and Flarg (and then Rhand). Now unless you want to claim your a mother****nig jester, I imagine today falls between him/Rod/myself. Possible tom.
What do you currently think of each other?
tom spent the first half of day 2 basically thinking I was a mastermind that was setting him up for KJ to flip town, so your entire premise is wrong from the get go. But in good faith, I'll clarify: Despite his own comment, and with ZIonite being confirmed town, I really don't see why tom puts himself into harms way when there was a perfectly juicy wagon on Zionite that was being put out for view. Following up, despite the fact that tom CANNOT read me as either alignment, I didn't feel his push on me as malicious. I am weird that I have always been a player that could read someone better when they push on me. I am not an attention whore, I just get a better feel for it.
Johnny has also entered my scumlist, if that wasn't clear.
Well, that's a shame then. Especially since so many of your points are either false, or misunderstood.
Unvote, vote Rhand
Bazinga!!!
So that means its damage control, pure and simple. Didnt know what kpaca would do so he needed to get ahead of it.
Thats probably regardless of rhands alignment tbh
But
rhand/kpaca not w/w
That does still leave a gaping question of
"Why claim even to flarg in the first place?" if hes sk or mafia
Which i dont know the answer too
But as town:
He said above he always wanted to use it as a vig shot. So he wouldnt want to be on every wagon, hed want to be on mislynches or offwagon if we hit scum. Which is a meh match to his votes.
Also not <super> buying his claimed progression to shooting grape. Like, hes got progression on grape, hes talking about flarg convincing him not to shoot zion.
But just
Looking at his reads the shot feels like it should be zion or maybe me but neither of us made the final 3 of grape/zds/gj
Not married to this bit
The post in the middle there, doing lylo math including flarg as sk, is
Well i guess its possible as town to include all that for some reason, but the actual theme/overarching point of the post is, with actual claim in mind, no dont kill me go for mafia.
Like
tom is just looking at math, but we need a mafia lynch to find the other mafia."
"scumhunting seems to have come to an almost full stop with this Flarg SK talk and we need to find the mafia team."
"If the Flarg slot is SK <snip> He HAS to not shoot or shoot mafia in that case"
"Anyone that keeps thinking he might still be mafia: that's simply out of the question with more than one shot."
All from one post
Mechanically, all the reasons i had flarg as non-town apply to rhand.
Town has multiple ways to stop a kill (KJs rb, masons bp) because <non town> have additional kills
The mechanic hes claiming, with changing percentages based on flips, just makes more sense coming from not town. Actually makes the most sense from mafia, since it would be actual control via knowing alignments. But works with a neutral that doesnt actually care too, especially with the percentage going up in potential <mafia is dead> lategame where hed just be all thats left
Where as town:
A) think its more likely to just be results of lynch with rhands own vote not mattering
B) vig is better when youve just hit scum (info) amd doctor when youve just hit town (stop the bleeding)
C) also the doctor part is just a lie. Already had the bp and kjs roleblock theres clearly not more protection in this town
vote rhand
I think SK in a vacuum but thinking about the claim (day 2, not todays damage control) and the versions of the role he started with to get to that fakeclaim both make me think mafia vig.
But i dont think it matters.
I think the numbers show we lynch him today for being SK and if hes mafia vig its a bonus
In the first Prison Block Johnny was a neutral that needed to be NKed to win. I could see Rhand's play throughout the game making sense as nontown if he's a variation of that.
Otherwise, in spite of all the blatant contradictions and absolute nonsense coming from him, I maintain his play is more understandable from a townie perspective. Not, to be clear, the perspective of a thoughtful townie who makes the correct protown moves, but the perspective of a hasty townie who makes impulsive decisions he thought were good at the time.
... Is what I keep telling myself so I don't get lost in the details of how much is wrong about his entire play. Maybe the paranoid speculation up top is correct?
I will admit I'm running away from the Rhand/Kpaca dichotomy by falling back into a Vaimes vote, but there's a very possible worst case scenario where I'm wrong on Vaimes and Rhand is indeed some crazy suicidal SK role.
Maybe the safe play is to lynch Rhand to get rid of the second kill and big question mark, kind of like we were about to lynch Flarg only with a lot less certainty on what he's going to flip. Then we prepare for MyLo, because even if he may not be town I have an even harder time seeing him as scum (if he is all my reads become complete whack).
For now I'm gambling on the gambler being town and not worth lynching. Not when there are so much scummier players running around.
That question seems to innocent if that's what Flarg asked, maybe Kpaca isn't a wolf
But I don't wanna move him yet
Not only is he claiming a 3rd/5th role that can stop a kill, but hes also claiming the nontown kill power that would necessitate even the first two/four
Hes probably vig/manipulative role
Id guess redirect or busdrive?
Historically if Rhand’s town he’s mislynched Day One.
The masons had a collective BP vest but you can hardly count all three of them as a protective role. There was also Killjoy. That's not a lot of protective power, actually. I wouldn't even count Rhand as a doctor, more as a *****ty vig that can miss.
But I agree, like I said before his claim is probably at least partially false (or incomplete). I expect him to have a reason for lying (kind of like Sloth did), whatever side he's on, and I don't want to speculate in public about it.
I maintain everything I've said before about perspectives and timing and how he makes the most sense as town (suicide win-con shenanigans nonwithstanding), and I hate how he's getting voted for "mechanics" and a bad unprompted claim, but I do wish we could nuke cell E from orbit. Only we can't, and he's the worst lynch of the three in that cell, for reasons mentioned in this paragraph.
Also I'm tired of seeing my suspects coasting peacefully despite being on a lot of radars, while the town's attention is distracted by the sweet smell of the low hanging fruit du jour.
And i think as town hed rather see for himself than get in front of it by coming clean preemptively
Unless you mean the initial claim to flarg which
Yeah seems <slightly> ok if hes town and just bad if hes not.
But im definitely more set on behavior, both in general and around claim stuff in particular, and mechanics than that stuff full stop
What if he genuinely believes he has caught Flarg red-handed through their chat?
For what reasons could he not have waited and seen as nontown?
I think he's A) impulsive town, or B) neutral with a silly win-con (or town with a silly alt-win-con). If he's C) scum, who would be his buddies in your opinion? If he's B') plain old SK, why claim and not let things unfold?
Although looking back now, I could see him claiming as SK to hurry up the Kpaca lynch before he posts. It fits the impulsive behaviour, the oddities about his claim(s), and the lack of probable buddies (IMO).
**** it. I need to re-read him properly from the SK perspective. Until now I was so sure if there was one it had to be Flarg.
But then again, if he is an SK, why paint a target on his back with the heavy handed power hinting? There are just too many things that don't make sense no matter what.
All I can say for nearly sure is he's making a gamble with this claim.
Though more accurately, i dont think id be in this situation...
But i think, coupled with putting flarg in hammer range, it definitely shows the reason he claimed today.
He had to.
But really thats not informing my read of rhand, just not partners with flargslot
As town its just
Same thing he did a thing now its changing time to come clean.
Its whatever
I definitely see what youre saying. The early softing doesnt make sense to me as any alignment so im defaulting to analysing it via "hes just using at as an excuse to be on any wagon and that doesnt even make sense with the mechanics hes claiming"
The claiming privately to flarg... again doesnt super make sense to me regardless short of using it as a way to read flarg which. He pretty actively didnt lol.
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Kpaca (1): GJ
Rod (1): YWF
Not Voting (2): Jack, last
Maybe
Honestly really not feeling rhand but not certain enough to hammer if tons count is correct. It all just seems too much like trying to cover his ass one the the replacement set In. 6 is hammer right?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
If he's town, it sucks. But since he might shoot on another town mislynch anyway. Unvote, Vote Rhand
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Rhand has been lynched! He was:
Name: William Hertz
Cell: E
Profession: HitMan (Fake Claim: Insurance Sales as cover)
Most recent conviction(s): Manslaughter, 4 counts (Fake Claim: Tax evasion, Grand Larceny as cover)
Alignment: Neutral
Role: Hitman - You may target and kill a player once each night (3 shot limit). You win and leave the game if you kill a member of the Mafia team and a Town Mason. Being on the lynch wagon count towards this goal.
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Lastwhisper was found with dead in the library! He was bleeding from his now empty eye sockets.
Lastwhisper has died! He was:
Name: Vance Knight
Cell: C
Profession: Cop
Most recent conviction(s): Extortion
Alignment: Town
Role: Mason - Cell C contains only Town Masons.
It is now day 4, with 9 alive it is 5 to lynch. Deadline is March 31 at 2000 MST.
That kill means mafia PRs are pretty weak. Theyre saying they dont think theres a town PR out there more powerful than the <outed mason in a neighbors game who already used their BP> aka an unlynchable VT
Unfortunately theres no actual guarantee there plenty of wolves would just kill the townfirmed players and not think further.
But i think this can be applied to scumteams with gj and kpaca, probably zds/jack/ywf i dont know them really but they seem like thinkers
Vote Rod
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Like i mostly think theyre all scum but dont really think its a scumteam?
Does anyone disagree with that other than maybe adding me to the list?
But also how does he go along with that claim
Also going back and forth on viability of a mafia/mafia/SK cell
OP says random but
I mean
The GJ way path to no lynching:
— EoD2 you were confident enough in your Rhand scumread to push a CFD on him. Then D3 you no longer appeared to scumread him (unless that was implied in your desire to see him claim), even after his claim-gambit got you oh-so-mad and oh-so-tortured. When you hammered you partially justified it as "even if he's town it's still better that way" (not an exact quote).
What happened between Day 2 and Day 3 that made you ostensibly drop your scumread?
— D1 your Vaimes push disappeared into thin air, D2 and D3 you mentioned several times having him in your scumdar, D3 you even complained about how he keeps passing right through the net. Now you "don't know what to make" of him.
What happened and how serious was your scum read all along?
— D3 you wanted a massclaim.
Is that still the case or was it an excuse to get Rhand to claim?
— Walk us through how your Flarg read progressed.
@tom
— Same question re:Flarg read.
@Johnny & @tom
You two have been buddy-buddy since D1, voting together and going on the same escapades. Typically, tom leads and Johnny follows (except once, with the CFD attempt on Rhand where roles were inverted).
What do you currently think of each other?
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tomsloger's completely natural progression re:Flarg yesterDay:
— Mentions him as a possible town-vig in a 4-scum setup in #2408 ;
— Whispy interrogates Flarg in #2409 and #2410 ;
— Like a magician disappearing into thin air, Flarg stopped being mentioned as a possible town-vig in tom's subsequent post (#2411, #2412, #2413) ;
— From then on, tom would proceed to gradually push the lynch-Flarg-the-SK plan.
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Vote: Vaimes. Day 3 case still applies.
Johnny has also entered my scumlist, if that wasn't clear.
I'll be cutting kpaca some slack to see if he can redeem his predecessor's scumminess. Third spot on the scum team is between him and tom.
I (correctly) surmised that townvig was unlikely to exist in this game and that overwhelmed any flarg read i might have had. Now...
Dont understand the motivation for going along with rhands claim and now i cant ask. Gut says he was just happy to get pressure off himself?
Think your flarg case got caught in some playstyle weeds. Dont have much meta but i read enough from lasts links to get a general handle on personality or whatever
Dont care about anything kpaca said really
Ive thought a few times if anyone's actively pocketing me its him. But like, if so im only noticing because its working and i swear i used to suspect him and idk what happened
We had a long chat In our cell last night and came up with the same final 4. I still don't trust Rod 100 per cent. So not going with his pick first just to be safe. I have most confidence in Vaimes flipping scum as well.
guess we will do a vaimes wagon
So 90% sure it’s vaimes gj and Tom.
Question: why would you say teammates BESIDES rod?
I would like to hear where suddenly Tom came to be on your list. This is the first I recall seeing ANY mention of his "attitude"
POE. I talked last night in my cell exstensivley and came to the conclusion that Tom is probably scum. His voting (HE STARTED THE RHAND WAGON EOD2 when we tried to lynch flarg.)
johnny followed. He has also been voting with his sci reads.
Cause reading words Jack typed. Jack has a scum read on you just not as confident a one as Vaimes.
@ZDS:
I was aware he was doing his soft thing since late day 1/early day 2 (whenever he made his first comment about having to be on a wagon). I was immediately skeptical of it because the way it was being done didn't feel like a PR. It felt like (as I have said many times) a wolf try to preemptively keep people off him, or perhaps a vanilla trying to lure a nk. Because he wasn't really hunting most of the game, I assumed the former. The thing is is that I am not infalliable. And while that might be a no ***** sherlock moment, I knew there was a chance I could be wrong, and maybe Rhand really did just turn his cards faceup, and do whatever. If he did, I should try to pursue others and eventually ***** would happen.
My CFD on Rhand night 2 was because at the time of it, the wagons were Zionite and Tom. Those wagons were *****, and while I am not going to find it again, Rhand made a disgusting comment of "oh, these are probably both town, but mehh". I wish I could say that is a major paraphrase, but since I myself thought the same thing, but no one, least him sounded like he not only didn't care, but have no intention of humoring a jump, I decided to try for a third option when it very much looked like we were staring at V/V wagons day 2.
Nothing. I never dropped my read. It merely moved from weaker to stronger. My team I have been working since day 2 is has been rotating around four/five players mostly: Rhand/Vaimes/Kpaca/Tubba/Rod. More KCC/Flarg admittedly, but there isn't five wolves so, and I may not even have half of it right. Tubba is obviously clear. Flarg/Kpaca was I thought falling hard but 'vig claim' kept it around. Rhand I wasn't sure how I wanted to handle it, but I figured he was likely to give himself more rope, so I focused on KCC at the time. I have played with Rhand for many years, and NEVER have I seen him play a role claim like that, ever. He has always been tight lipped unless he has a mechanic reason to out.
There wasn't any interest day 1. I was suspicious of KJ, and trusted tom on this one. I feel like he is playing super town right now. Call it a pocket if you want, but I am pretty much ICing you and him until F3. IF you are both are wolves, I will happily take the loss, because despite your low post count, I feel like you have been hunting more than everyone else apart from me and tom (you might not believe that, but I have and do
Day 3, if Rhand hadn't did what he did, we were having a god damn tug of war between him and Flarg (and then Rhand). Now unless you want to claim your a mother****nig jester, I imagine today falls between him/Rod/myself. Possible tom.
tom spent the first half of day 2 basically thinking I was a mastermind that was setting him up for KJ to flip town, so your entire premise is wrong from the get go. But in good faith, I'll clarify: Despite his own comment, and with ZIonite being confirmed town, I really don't see why tom puts himself into harms way when there was a perfectly juicy wagon on Zionite that was being put out for view. Following up, despite the fact that tom CANNOT read me as either alignment, I didn't feel his push on me as malicious. I am weird that I have always been a player that could read someone better when they push on me. I am not an attention whore, I just get a better feel for it.
Well, that's a shame then. Especially since so many of your points are either false, or misunderstood.
Vote Vaimes
Have fun reading that
The GJ way path to no lynching:
tom started displaying doubt on Rod, so ergo, can't be OMGUS if he scumreads tom before he makes it official.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
How does scum!Tom not mislynch town!Rod at EoD 2?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Is it fear for Gen Con being cancelled?
The GJ way path to no lynching: