Rod and Flarg scum team is very possible since both KCC and Rod have heavily defended that slot. So I really today want one of them. More Flarg for mechanics reasons is more likely a hit Since I'm not sold on Tom as much.
Rod and Flarg scum team is very possible since both KCC and Rod have heavily defended that slot. So I really today want one of them. More Flarg for mechanics reasons is more likely a hit Since I'm not sold on Tom as much.
I have been suspecting Vaimes since pretty much as soon as my late entry into this game. Gentleman Johnny attacked him Day 1 for pretty much the same reasons I would have: he spams a lot, only skims the surface, is low on actual content.
Then Vaimes pulled the "it's my playstyle" defense, Johnny's attack turned into a friendly conversation about meta, and that was the end of that.
I know this case is about me, but I don't get your angle with including GJ in here a lot. Are you trying to tie me to him?
Anyway, having read this post, there really isn't anything I can respond to in a way that will satisfy you. I know your type, and your type absolutely loathes my type. I fluff, skim the surface, and care more about socializing than solving the game, but not to the extent that I'm game-throwing or trying to waste anyone's time. It's a hard habit to break when people keep letting me get away with it, and I pull my weight eventually.
Look with masons flipped, and our PR outted, and FLarg running out, there is no reason to just sit on this information. The closest we are going to get from these flips is the fact that the masons did the equivalence of flipping two ICs.
We need to figure out who to take out. Flarg if he is the SK has to actually shoot for wolves at this stage, lest he risks getting end games.
tom: Mass claiming now is a bad idea
Also tom: Let's spectate and go after a guy based on the claims out there now
I don't follow your logic. Rhand clearly isn't getting ****ed with despite softing since day 1. Flarg isn't getting blocked either, or redirected. We need to solve this today. Or we might not have tomorrow. Even if we lynch correctly today, FLarg might be a problem later days, and a claim might be too late.
I want to see what Rhand thinks.
i guess rhand is a pretty important part of this
*Waits*
Rhand really should just claim, I don't believe for a second he was fooling anyone with his "oh I need to be on the wagon for secret reasons" softing after vezok did it like, two games ago.
Rhand really should just claim, I don't believe for a second he was fooling anyone with his "oh I need to be on the wagon for secret reasons" softing after vezok did it like, two games ago.
if its fake you think he keeps up the cover eod2 as town?
Rod and Flarg scum team is very possible since both KCC and Rod have heavily defended that slot. So I really today want one of them. More Flarg for mechanics reasons is more likely a hit Since I'm not sold on Tom as much.
What do you think of Vaimes?
I could lynch vaimes but he would be after those two. Him being called low impact is true his stance on Tom today is the most memorable thing he has done I think. Even that I feel he is riding the wave of momentum. I feel that his frusation at yesterday was real though and that comes more from town. Him and Rod seem to very opposed as well so I think only one in them is scum and Rod is more likely. I would perfer Rhand over him as well.
if its fake you think he keeps up the cover eod2 as town?
I don't know why he would. He complains about being lunched or shot early, so faking a PR makes no sense.
But like. He did the only thing you're not supposed to do as a PR, which is out youself, on Day 1, and from what he's told me, he isn't an incredibly useful role. But there's a chance he might be able to clear himself.
Rod and Flarg scum team is very possible since both KCC and Rod have heavily defended that slot. So I really today want one of them. More Flarg for mechanics reasons is more likely a hit Since I'm not sold on Tom as much.
What do you think of Vaimes?
I could lynch vaimes but he would be after those two. Him being called low impact is true his stance on Tom today is the most memorable thing he has done I think. Even that I feel he is riding the wave of momentum. I feel that his frusation at yesterday was real though and that comes more from town. Him and Rod seem to very opposed as well so I think only one in them is scum and Rod is more likely. I would perfer Rhand over him as well.
why are vaimes and rod unaligned?
He didnt really do anything to get him lynched yesterday, and abandoned the push completely for me today
Hes didnt even react to rod not reading?
Rod and Flarg scum team is very possible since both KCC and Rod have heavily defended that slot. So I really today want one of them. More Flarg for mechanics reasons is more likely a hit Since I'm not sold on Tom as much.
What do you think of Vaimes?
I could lynch vaimes but he would be after those two. Him being called low impact is true his stance on Tom today is the most memorable thing he has done I think. Even that I feel he is riding the wave of momentum. I feel that his frusation at yesterday was real though and that comes more from town. Him and Rod seem to very opposed as well so I think only one in them is scum and Rod is more likely. I would perfer Rhand over him as well.
why are vaimes and rod unaligned?
He didnt really do anything to get him lynched yesterday, and abandoned the push completely for me today
Hes didnt even react to rod not reading?
I need to recheck my Cell chat because I thought Rod was pushing Vaimes but maybe it was just ZDS which make sense.
Personally I think rhands claim shouldn't mean anything in terms of where we choose to place him, he has been very reactive and not very proactive, which is the problem I have with him
As well everyday it's a new push, whatever seems to fit his narrative
But like if Tom is a wolf, they certainly aren't w/w
Hm. Maybe Flarg is a wolf vig. I don't know, but 15 players is an odd number for only 3 wolves unless they have some power. 15 is also a rough game for 4 wolves.
think just based on claim, 15 players, and 4 known town PRs. and trying to keep my mind blank on flargs play
Im at:
3 scum + SKflarg
3 scum with wolfvigflarg
4 scum with townvigflarg
Most to least likely
This is just nonsense. One does not give wolves more than 1 extra vig shot ever. Having a town vig makes a lot more sense.
And we're not lynching a possible SK toDay. I forgot who (ZDS?) said it, but the SK is forced to play pro-town now if there is one. A neutral flip gives us nothing to work with toMorrow.
We're also not massclaiming. I want mafia to be unsure whether or not they should deal with me toNight. And I might not be the only PR left. There's no point in outing anyone else.
So far we have 2 masons and a vanilla claim and an unclaimed PR (me) alive. It's better to have mafia shoot in there than give them all the info.
If we don't hit mafia toDay, we should massclaim toMorrow.
What a shock that Rod and tom hopped onto me. Truly.
Rhand, tom is a million times harder to lunch. We need as many non-scum alive to get rid of him, otherwise he’ll slip through the cracks.
ZDS I’ll deal with you later.
No claim from me just yet.
Are you that sure they're both scum?
Because if tom flips town, this sets up a chainlynch, while if Rod flips town it clears tom.
I don't like this at all.
Hm. Maybe Flarg is a wolf vig. I don't know, but 15 players is an odd number for only 3 wolves unless they have some power. 15 is also a rough game for 4 wolves.
think just based on claim, 15 players, and 4 known town PRs. and trying to keep my mind blank on flargs play
Im at:
3 scum + SKflarg
3 scum with wolfvigflarg
4 scum with townvigflarg
Most to least likely
This is just nonsense. One does not give wolves more than 1 extra vig shot ever. Having a town vig makes a lot more sense.
And we're not lynching a possible SK toDay. I forgot who (ZDS?) said it, but the SK is forced to play pro-town now if there is one. A neutral flip gives us nothing to work with toMorrow.
We're also not massclaiming. I want mafia to be unsure whether or not they should deal with me toNight. And I might not be the only PR left. There's no point in outing anyone else.
So far we have 2 masons and a vanilla claim and an unclaimed PR (me) alive. It's better to have mafia shoot in there than give them all the info.
If we don't hit mafia toDay, we should massclaim toMorrow.
Oh and Flarg of course, but I doubt mafia is gonna shoot there.
Hm. Maybe Flarg is a wolf vig. I don't know, but 15 players is an odd number for only 3 wolves unless they have some power. 15 is also a rough game for 4 wolves.
think just based on claim, 15 players, and 4 known town PRs. and trying to keep my mind blank on flargs play
Im at:
3 scum + SKflarg
3 scum with wolfvigflarg
4 scum with townvigflarg
Most to least likely
This is just nonsense. One does not give wolves more than 1 extra vig shot ever. Having a town vig makes a lot more sense.
And we're not lynching a possible SK toDay. I forgot who (ZDS?) said it, but the SK is forced to play pro-town now if there is one. A neutral flip gives us nothing to work with toMorrow.
We're also not massclaiming. I want mafia to be unsure whether or not they should deal with me toNight. And I might not be the only PR left. There's no point in outing anyone else.
So far we have 2 masons and a vanilla claim and an unclaimed PR (me) alive. It's better to have mafia shoot in there than give them all the info.
If we don't hit mafia toDay, we should massclaim toMorrow.
Oof. Almost had me. Except for the bolded.
At this point I don’t think the mafia would hesitate to shoot you. And you should know that being a soft pr claim.
Why wouldn’t they kill you in this situation?
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I'm fine with lynching Flarg instead of massclaiming (to probably hit nontown and to reduce the kills per cycle). Massclaiming is only useful if we are willing to bet there will be at least one scum death by toMorrow (and we need a scum death soon).
There is no point in doing both at the same time. If we aren't going to use the massclaim in an attempt to help hit scum, then all it will achieve is tell the scum what/who the remaining non-mason power roles are.
So FIRST we agree on a plan: A) Lynch Flarg & don't massclaim yet, B) Massclaim & lynch notFlarg, C) Whichever of the previous two gets the more votes, D) Neither.
And only THEN can we (maybe) start asking Rhand/other non-wagonned players to claim, wagonning Flarg to death, etc.
Either way a massclaim will be happening toMorrow at the latest.
(By the way we wouldn't be having this conversation if we had gone with my Flarg-agrees-to-shoot-himself-or-dies plan. Ha!)
I vote C
Rhand from his previous post votes D
Etc. (add yourself)
I know this case is about me, but I don't get your angle with including GJ in here a lot. Are you trying to tie me to him?
Anyway, having read this post, there really isn't anything I can respond to in a way that will satisfy you. I know your type, and your type absolutely loathes my type. I fluff, skim the surface, and care more about socializing than solving the game, but not to the extent that I'm game-throwing or trying to waste anyone's time. It's a hard habit to break when people keep letting me get away with it, and I pull my weight eventually.
Like now, when we flip tom and Rod.
Johnny is included because his Day 1 push was the starting point for this case. I wanted to read you without getting trapped by the playstyle issues like he did... but of course you summarised the case as a playstyle issue. I don't know what I was expecting.
What about the vote analysis in the second half? You can't dismiss that as just your playstyle.
What makes you so sure tom and Rod are scum?
@zds I admit I struggle to read Vaimes. I ****ed up....badly with him as town the last game I played and I've found I have no idea how to read him. I don't think he's added...much to this game but nothing has actively sat up and slapped me in the face as scummy.
Can you tell us more? What was that game, where can I read it if it's not in MTGS, what happened, what pages did it happen in, and so on?
On the second sentence, I agree his posts aren't individually slap-to-the-face scummy. The big picture on the other hand is awful, especially his votes.
We need to figure out who to take out. Flarg if he is the SK has to actually shoot for wolves at this stage, lest he risks getting end games.
I can easily imagine a scenario where Rod gets lynched, he flips town, then Flarg shoots tom in an earnest attempt to hit scum, he flips town too, meanwhile the scum kill a mason. Boom, (near-)apocalypse. You can replace Rod and tom with whoever you think is town who may get lynched or shot, it's not important.
Hm. Maybe Flarg is a wolf vig. I don't know, but 15 players is an odd number for only 3 wolves unless they have some power. 15 is also a rough game for 4 wolves.
think just based on claim, 15 players, and 4 known town PRs. and trying to keep my mind blank on flargs play
Im at:
3 scum + SKflarg
3 scum with wolfvigflarg
4 scum with townvigflarg
Most to least likely
This is just nonsense. One does not give wolves more than 1 extra vig shot ever. Having a town vig makes a lot more sense.
And we're not lynching a possible SK toDay. I forgot who (ZDS?) said it, but the SK is forced to play pro-town now if there is one. A neutral flip gives us nothing to work with toMorrow.
We're also not massclaiming. I want mafia to be unsure whether or not they should deal with me toNight. And I might not be the only PR left. There's no point in outing anyone else.
So far we have 2 masons and a vanilla claim and an unclaimed PR (me) alive. It's better to have mafia shoot in there than give them all the info.
If we don't hit mafia toDay, we should massclaim toMorrow.
Oof. Almost had me. Except for the bolded.
At this point I don’t think the mafia would hesitate to shoot you. And you should know that being a soft pr claim.
Hm. Maybe Flarg is a wolf vig. I don't know, but 15 players is an odd number for only 3 wolves unless they have some power. 15 is also a rough game for 4 wolves.
think just based on claim, 15 players, and 4 known town PRs. and trying to keep my mind blank on flargs play
Im at:
3 scum + SKflarg
3 scum with wolfvigflarg
4 scum with townvigflarg
Most to least likely
This is just nonsense. One does not give wolves more than 1 extra vig shot ever. Having a town vig makes a lot more sense.
And we're not lynching a possible SK toDay. I forgot who (ZDS?) said it, but the SK is forced to play pro-town now if there is one. A neutral flip gives us nothing to work with toMorrow.
We're also not massclaiming. I want mafia to be unsure whether or not they should deal with me toNight. And I might not be the only PR left. There's no point in outing anyone else.
So far we have 2 masons and a vanilla claim and an unclaimed PR (me) alive. It's better to have mafia shoot in there than give them all the info.
If we don't hit mafia toDay, we should massclaim toMorrow.
Oof. Almost had me. Except for the bolded.
At this point I don’t think the mafia would hesitate to shoot you. And you should know that being a soft pr claim.
Why wouldn’t they kill you in this situation?
Because I am a possible mislynch
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If other PR's claim, we don't know if they're true or not. But mafia does. It informs them about best kill targets while we, barring a counterclaim, don't advance.
And yes, mafia now has to choose whether to kill the unclaimed PR or a mason. Giving them my role will make that choice easy.
If other PR's claim, we don't know if they're true or not. But mafia does. It informs them about best kill targets while we, barring a counterclaim, don't advance.
And yes, mafia now has to choose whether to kill the unclaimed PR or a mason. Giving them my role will make that choice easy.
except they DONT know what’s true and what’s not.... How in the world will they know if someone is lying?
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Can you tell us more? What was that game, where can I read it if it's not in MTGS, what happened, what pages did it happen in, and so on?
Vaimes did something that pinged me as scummy and I went full tunnel. We were both town. I can't give ya specific pages it was a long game but he subbed in at this mark
If other PR's claim, we don't know if they're true or not. But mafia does. It informs them about best kill targets while we, barring a counterclaim, don't advance.
And yes, mafia now has to choose whether to kill the unclaimed PR or a mason. Giving them my role will make that choice easy.
I mean, they have made that choice for two nights in a row. If you think they are magically going to change when there are two super obvious nks in the masons, I don't know what to tell you.
The slow crawl, day after day, the same faces, the same colors, the same disgusting food...it’s enough to drive anyone to madness. The question becomes: how long does it take?
What do you think of Vaimes?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Anyway, having read this post, there really isn't anything I can respond to in a way that will satisfy you. I know your type, and your type absolutely loathes my type. I fluff, skim the surface, and care more about socializing than solving the game, but not to the extent that I'm game-throwing or trying to waste anyone's time. It's a hard habit to break when people keep letting me get away with it, and I pull my weight eventually.
Like now, when we flip tom and Rod.
*Waits*
One-shot scum vigs are rare enough.
I could lynch vaimes but he would be after those two. Him being called low impact is true his stance on Tom today is the most memorable thing he has done I think. Even that I feel he is riding the wave of momentum. I feel that his frusation at yesterday was real though and that comes more from town. Him and Rod seem to very opposed as well so I think only one in them is scum and Rod is more likely. I would perfer Rhand over him as well.
But like. He did the only thing you're not supposed to do as a PR, which is out youself, on Day 1, and from what he's told me, he isn't an incredibly useful role. But there's a chance he might be able to clear himself.
He didnt really do anything to get him lynched yesterday, and abandoned the push completely for me today
Hes didnt even react to rod not reading?
(yes I did)
I need to recheck my Cell chat because I thought Rod was pushing Vaimes but maybe it was just ZDS which make sense.
except I did.
I said I could see vaimes bussing Tom.
I’ve been distracted with defending myself to even concider vaimes. But poe puts him in a good chance of being scum.
I would still vote him. Tom why are you being scummy?
As well everyday it's a new push, whatever seems to fit his narrative
But like if Tom is a wolf, they certainly aren't w/w
So you are shooting people but not posting at all? Where are u at now?
Both your votes at EoD were terrible in mine and Sloth's opinion
Flarg still feels like the right lynch
I am going to sleep, tomorrow is my day off
idk what the VC is at so I am unvoting
vote flarg
here’s to trusting Tom? Idk if that’s a good idea this game
I’m trying to look at this mechanically and it’s very unlikely?
The role blocker sure, but that doesn’t seem like enough.
This is just nonsense. One does not give wolves more than 1 extra vig shot ever. Having a town vig makes a lot more sense.
And we're not lynching a possible SK toDay. I forgot who (ZDS?) said it, but the SK is forced to play pro-town now if there is one. A neutral flip gives us nothing to work with toMorrow.
We're also not massclaiming. I want mafia to be unsure whether or not they should deal with me toNight. And I might not be the only PR left. There's no point in outing anyone else.
So far we have 2 masons and a vanilla claim and an unclaimed PR (me) alive. It's better to have mafia shoot in there than give them all the info.
If we don't hit mafia toDay, we should massclaim toMorrow.
Are you that sure they're both scum?
Because if tom flips town, this sets up a chainlynch, while if Rod flips town it clears tom.
I don't like this at all.
Oh and Flarg of course, but I doubt mafia is gonna shoot there.
Oof. Almost had me. Except for the bolded.
At this point I don’t think the mafia would hesitate to shoot you. And you should know that being a soft pr claim.
Why wouldn’t they kill you in this situation?
There is no point in doing both at the same time. If we aren't going to use the massclaim in an attempt to help hit scum, then all it will achieve is tell the scum what/who the remaining non-mason power roles are.
So FIRST we agree on a plan: A) Lynch Flarg & don't massclaim yet, B) Massclaim & lynch notFlarg, C) Whichever of the previous two gets the more votes, D) Neither.
And only THEN can we (maybe) start asking Rhand/other non-wagonned players to claim, wagonning Flarg to death, etc.
Either way a massclaim will be happening toMorrow at the latest.
(By the way we wouldn't be having this conversation if we had gone with my Flarg-agrees-to-shoot-himself-or-dies plan. Ha!)
I vote C
Rhand from his previous post votes D
Etc. (add yourself)
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Johnny is included because his Day 1 push was the starting point for this case. I wanted to read you without getting trapped by the playstyle issues like he did... but of course you summarised the case as a playstyle issue. I don't know what I was expecting.
What about the vote analysis in the second half? You can't dismiss that as just your playstyle.
What makes you so sure tom and Rod are scum?
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I forgot that happened. Whispy's response makes this moot anyway.
Can you tell us more? What was that game, where can I read it if it's not in MTGS, what happened, what pages did it happen in, and so on?
On the second sentence, I agree his posts aren't individually slap-to-the-face scummy. The big picture on the other hand is awful, especially his votes.
I can easily imagine a scenario where Rod gets lynched, he flips town, then Flarg shoots tom in an earnest attempt to hit scum, he flips town too, meanwhile the scum kill a mason. Boom, (near-)apocalypse. You can replace Rod and tom with whoever you think is town who may get lynched or shot, it's not important.
Depending on the setup, there might not be a toMorrow at all.
He's either town or neutral, and if he's neutral he has to play like town now.
Because I am a possible mislynch
why wouldn’t they kill you toNight?
But a mass claim could help us solve toDay.
And yes, mafia now has to choose whether to kill the unclaimed PR or a mason. Giving them my role will make that choice easy.
except they DONT know what’s true and what’s not.... How in the world will they know if someone is lying?
right duh.
Okay.
I am picking up what you are putting down.
cooking with propane and propane accessories.
eating what you are making.
vote vaimes
Vaimes did something that pinged me as scummy and I went full tunnel. We were both town. I can't give ya specific pages it was a long game but he subbed in at this mark
I mean, they have made that choice for two nights in a row. If you think they are magically going to change when there are two super obvious nks in the masons, I don't know what to tell you.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Rodemy (2): Gentleman Johnny, YWFMLF
Vaimes (2): ZeDorkSlipeur, Rhand
FlargBlarg (2): Tomsloger, Rodemy
Tomsloger (1): Vaimes
Not Voting (4): Jackrito, FlargBlarg, Tubba Fett, Lastwhisper
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is March 25th at 2000 MST.