Not going to vote just yet....pretty sure we're at 4 and at 7 to lynch and people possibly wanting a extension not about to give us another KCC with someone hammering before its advisable
We're not at L-1 even with your vote, so if this is the only thing keeping you from voting tom, vote away.
my vote would put us at 5...if anyone else plops down a vote than the hammer is harder to prevent. Which is what we got with KCC.
I presently would be ok with Zio, Not!CupCake or Tom at this point.
I think your case on him has merit. I've listed out my reasons for the KCC Rod slot before and Zio despite saying he's been "watching [me] more closely" just somehow misses ignores my questioning his lackluster reads.
@Tom
You're not showing me you can do it.
I will listen to what others you mention on this post say though, as well as what other reactions to my case are.
Hes apparently got a huge amount of beef with me reacting to kj flip. -SNIP-
Also no.
I don't have any "beef" with you over any one specific thing, it's a combination of things.
The specific thing you are talking about here was that last thing I threw as part of the main case, right after the phrase "More? Alright, fine."
And you think that means it's an important/beefy part? Or are you playing it off as such to discredit?
'Cause one certainly makes more sense.
Reads change, that's fine - and I don't expect linearity. I expect natural progression and testing of your assumptions, which I didn't see.
I do admit though: That's my expectation and as such free to fall to bias, hence why it was just tossed at the end.
Terrible? Nah.
Sloth made a wall about kcc being scum that knew she was doomed and put her buddies in good position before rolling over.
It was a terrible point. Pretty directly contradicted by kccs play at the beginning of the day and ONLY backed up by her disappearing.
So when i say terraines case and me sheeping+adding to it was unexpected, its not in the sense that its completely new opinions on kcc or that she was townread before. Its only an argument against his premise that she came into the day doomed.
In what way did it contradict anything? Are you talking about #1893?
What exactly do people think I mean when I said she "came into this Day knowing she was probably doomed"?
Because I did not mean she was simply going to give up and say "lynch me", who the hell would do that? I meant she would play like usual, with the intention of make it through the day and not be lynched - just know that it'd probably still happen despite her best efforts; like she did from the word GO with sheeping rhand, voting Dork, dismiss the hammer, etc.?
When I originally made that argument, it hadn't really dawned on me that she had disappeared. It was made without that being a factor in the slightest.
Is that seriously so confusing?
@Slothful
jesus christ man this doesnt feel like a wolf right now, what have you caused
Something far more interesting that the previous gamestate, that's for sure.
Ya think, btw? I'm honestly still going strong.
w/e I dont care I guess
if Tom is a wolf, he is hard to lynch based on his posts anyways
still think there are better lynches like his partners in this case, which would probably be the likes of Rodemy/Zion/Vaimes
all 3 of which are way better lynches when you think about who is actually doing *****, and who isnt
and who actually has reasons to wolf read them, which arent a reach
Sorry if I sound like an ass, but like if Tom flips town, I will be sad
If you really want to talk about Sloth's points, it'll have to wait, but that's dependant on the extension. The short version is that it hit on a bunch of the exact points I was townreading you.
...and so you...vote him...?
You're a rollercoaster, von.
w/e I dont care I guess
if Tom is a wolf, he is hard to lynch based on his posts anyways
still think there are better lynches like his partners in this case, which would probably be the likes of Rodemy/Zion/Vaimes
all 3 of which are way better lynches when you think about who is actually doing *****, and who isnt
and who actually has reasons to wolf read them, which arent a reach
Sorry if I sound like an ass, but like if Tom flips town, I will be sad
Like I said in #1956, if the case is not strong enough to sway you, then it isn't.
I'm still going to push it and going to make sure it's at the forefront of people's minds.
I'm not against Rodemy aside from the recent replacement and while my Z case is still there in D1 - though if he ever expresses an independent thought I may faint.
His tiff with GJ had no actual heat or inquiry, nor any noted desire to actually get him lynched by getting others on board, unlike KJ. Did anyone actually vote GJ based on tom? Did he try to convince anyone?
He mostly sat and waited until Ter's KCC case where, like with Tubba, he jumped on it and acted like it was the only case brought on KCC. Or that Ter wasn't echoing the jist (even if not the exact arguments) that other players had made since D1. I mean, seriously look back on that.
I kind of already covered this but yes please do take a look back on that
My vote on johnny was the start of the day. That, i guess, counts as my first reaction to kj flip. He felt, at moments of day 1, like scum along for the ride
No i didnt try to convince anyone, because i myself wasnt convinced.
Town can go along for the ride too. And town obviously did- the kj wagon wasnt me, grape, and a bunch of wolves.
So i interacted with him. Listened to other peoples cases. Thought about things. *******... played the game.
The overriding premise of this part of sloths case is that i should have had some concrete conclusion from kj flipping town.
But like
No im just moving on and trying to solve the game. Think my posts show that
I thought having all this content to come back to would make reads easier. It has not.
I still feel pretty confident the KCC slot (now Rodemy) is scum. But lynching Rodemy here feels like a dick move. A few of my reads kind of rely on this slot to flip. So leaving it for next Day.
I've been wary of Rhand and his push on GJ cemented that. I think GJ's responses were valid. Definitely down to lynch Rhand. If he comes up town, I'll probably change my mind on GJ.
ZDS' Flarg SK theory - Well to go through this work indicates ZDS is likely town. It used to be a meta evidence thing that if someone is SK hunting, they aren't scum-hunting, so they're probably scum. But he didn't immediately come out as SK hunting, it was just a result of the claim mid-case. I think ZDS' points are still valid, but I'm not totally sold on it. I didn't think his "shoot yourself" strategy was all that bad, because it gives us a deadline to prove himself. But I'd rather him shoot scum (if there's even shots remaining). So yes, he's either the vig or the SK, but his posts lead me more toward vig. We can't rule out he may be SK, even with limited shots.
Jack's play continues to bother me with the non-stop flip-flops. Would still be okay with a lynch here but probably not a lot of support.
@Tom
You're not showing me you can do it.
I will listen to what others you mention on this post say though, as well as what other reactions to my case are.
Hes apparently got a huge amount of beef with me reacting to kj flip. -SNIP-
Also no.
I don't have any "beef" with you over any one specific thing, it's a combination of things.
The specific thing you are talking about here was that last thing I threw as part of the main case, right after the phrase "More? Alright, fine."
And you think that means it's an important/beefy part? Or are you playing it off as such to discredit?
'Cause one certainly makes more sense.
Reads change, that's fine - and I don't expect linearity. I expect natural progression and testing of your assumptions, which I didn't see.
I do admit though: That's my expectation and as such free to fall to bias, hence why it was just tossed at the end.
Terrible? Nah.
Sloth made a wall about kcc being scum that knew she was doomed and put her buddies in good position before rolling over.
It was a terrible point. Pretty directly contradicted by kccs play at the beginning of the day and ONLY backed up by her disappearing.
So when i say terraines case and me sheeping+adding to it was unexpected, its not in the sense that its completely new opinions on kcc or that she was townread before. Its only an argument against his premise that she came into the day doomed.
In what way did it contradict anything? Are you talking about #1893?
What exactly do people think I mean when I said she "came into this Day knowing she was probably doomed"?
Because I did not mean she was simply going to give up and say "lynch me", who the hell would do that? I meant she would play like usual, with the intention of make it through the day and not be lynched - just know that it'd probably still happen despite her best efforts; like she did from the word GO with sheeping rhand, voting Dork, dismiss the hammer, etc.?
When I originally made that argument, it hadn't really dawned on me that she had disappeared. It was made without that being a factor in the slightest.
Is that seriously so confusing?
no its heinous bull***** i have talked about every player in this game. That part of your case is absolute proof you just dont like the way i play imo
Yes it was thrown in at the end of your case but its what youve been asking me about all day. And its crap because i am progressing and testing my assumptions.
Thats what voting gj and interacting him is. Thats what... literally everything ive posted today is?
As for kcc...
I still pretty strongly disagree with your premise that she would have thought she was dying today but this also doesnt seem worth arguing since... youre the only person that believes that afaict.
Perhaps your point against me there makes sense if thats the case but.
Are you ******* mirroring me again?
Points for sticking to KCC.
What do you base your Rhand/GJ not v/v world? You propose a scenario where they have to be unaligned.
Dork's "shoot yourself, Flarg" strategy hinged on (1) Flarg doing it toNight; and (2) admitted by Dork as not one that's actually interesting to him, he just said it because he wants Flarg dead. What do you say to this?
I know i dont want to bring that up prolly makes it look like im shading sloth since hes one of 2 people that apparently suspect me and im voting the other...
Lol gotta be honest, I'm glad someone finally brought up the possibility.
@Tom
I...disagree
Nothing you're saying actually counters or disolves what I have said, at least not from what I can see.
Hey, I'm aware that I can be wrong, but obviously I don't think so. I'll keep pressing you and engaging you as things go along.
no its heinous bull***** i have talked about every player in this game. That part of your case is absolute proof you just dont like the way i play imo
Huh. Did not expect you to be the type of player that gets pissy. Wonder what that says as far as alignment.
On topic though: Again, wrong. I actually love the way you play. Dumbass. ( )
Alright, I'm beat, gotta sleep. Damn still not fully caught up. Night peeps, stay healthy!
Tom gets pissy when he feels like people are being dumb
and he can easily think that as a wolf, or town
not to shade you, or assume his thoughts, that's just my opinion on the matter
anyways going to sleep
First of all, not pissy. I know i come off that way.
This is the most fun ive had this game <since i wasnt right about kj>
And i guess i meant dont understand the way i play, not dont like.
"Dont like" in your reads
Like, when several of your points are about me being dismissive.
Thats
Yeah
Lol
I think youre town im dismissing your points because i think they deserve to be dismissed.
That doesnt change with my alignment.
You used the phrase "theatrical rather than sincere"
Uh
Hi im tom. I havent been sincere since 1998 and i play mafia as weird performance art.
I know none of this will convince you im town. If you truly believe my kj case was baseless... then what the **** are we even talking about.
It sucks it was wrong, but im truly sad for you to live in a world where there isnt room for that kind of read.
And however you dress it up... that IS the crux. You cant follow the place between whatever black magic ****ery goes on in my head and how i choose to put it in the thread.
Changing your mind aint happening this game. Youll see my flip... and then continue to misread me in new and interesting ways forever probably.
Maybe start a club with newcomb
My country has gone nuts lol. There was a car queue at our local Aldi this morning that I have never seen before.
It’s like the apocalypse has started in a bad horror movie.
My country has gone nuts lol. There was a car queue at our local Aldi this morning that I have never seen before.
It’s like the apocalypse has started in a bad horror movie.
Tom gets pissy when he feels like people are being dumb
and he can easily think that as a wolf, or town
not to shade you, or assume his thoughts, that's just my opinion on the matter
anyways going to sleep
Not the answer I was expecting. Unless this post isn't in answer to #2019?
Do you feel I'm being dumb?
I'm aware of what you're saying in regards to tom, it doesn't really shade me because it's not relevant to my read of him. But I do wanna hear more thoughts you have.
I know none of this will convince you im town. If you truly believe my kj case was baseless... then what the **** are we even talking about.
It sucks it was wrong, but im truly sad for you to live in a world where there isnt room for that kind of read.
See, this is more talking around/over the issue and trying to drown it out with a reasonable tone. Especially the bolded, which I honestly see as a backhanded shade.
You're reducing a lot onto the idea that it's based on you having read KJ wrong and the flip being town, and that that alone shouldn't be reason to scumread you.
And you're right, it shouldn't be. Which is why it's not. What I'm actually saying is that the arguments you used and the case you presented wrong in a way I believe is unlike you, and it's easy to see in the post itself why and--actually keeping this argument going will result in us going in circles which isn't protown.
To other players reading this: just read my case. I'm just repeating and summarizing here.
I, uh, more or less believe the case against me to be dismantled
Nah bro.
You've talked at a reasonable tone, and presented an appearance of sensibility but it's not following beyond the surface. But sure, if others are convinced, I'm certainly not going to lynch you on my own.
If it matters, I am not so obtuse that I'm not considering a town!tom world and aren't already looking at that in recent posts, so...Let's talk about that next!
First of all, not pissy. I know i come off that way.
This is the most fun ive had this game <since i wasnt right about kj>
Agreed, it was getting boring. /offers high five
Man, this is way too wholesome for a good ol' fashioned mafia 1v1.
I'm gonna go throw a chair at a wall and insinuate that I had premarital relations with your progenitor. For a dollar.
Anyway, about to head in an emergency meeting on this Corona thing (ugh...) so I'm not sure when I'll be around today, but I'm assuming it won't be until later.
In my absence, since I know Town as a collective has the memory retention of a squirrel during winter: My case still applies. Tom's response has just talked around it. There is no actual counterargument, just a lot of reasonable tone and skirting around the issue and trying to keep ahead of things - which I spend over 6 pages pointing out is not a Town measure for him so ffs don't just take it as such.
Look at the content. Look to see if what he's saying actually has weight. If you believe it does, then ****, maybe you have a better measure than I, don't sheep me.
Otherwise, he's still luring you in with sweet nothings (oh my). So, once again, join me.
(Also, I noticed on reread that his initial response to address the case was to talk about me ("he's still harping", "he's got beef", etc.) rather than to me, which shows that he was far more interested in talking to everyone else about discrediting me than he was about talking to me about the case.
Don't know if this is AI, but I certainly don't like it and thought it was worth bringing up)
I don't think the case is wolfy per say, but not super convinced on tom being a wolf. I can go into more detail later today, as of Friday meetings. At the bare minimum, I am not moving away from my core of one of Rodemy/Rhand. I would settle for Vaimes, and CFD for Tubba.
Of course this defense is for others. Youve decided my kj case had no merit, and that is why youre scumreading me, and your mind will not be changed.
Yes theres more added on to your read, most of which ive addressed, but that is *why* youre scumreading me.
If thats a premise you believe, you probably should be scumreading me.
Nothing to counterargue there.
Pretty much just dismissing you for being so shallow.
I'm not against Rodemy aside from the recent replacement and while my Z case is still there in D1 - though if he ever expresses an independent thought I may faint.
I resent this. I have given a lot of fresh reads and been very transparent with my thoughts. Tom was already on my watch list. I support the Tom push when you call for it, and this is how you respond. Unbelievable. You act as if I had no opinion until you graced us with your case.
Are you ******* mirroring me again?
Points for sticking to KCC.
What do you base your Rhand/GJ not v/v world? You propose a scenario where they have to be unaligned.
Dork's "shoot yourself, Flarg" strategy hinged on (1) Flarg doing it toNight; and (2) admitted by Dork as not one that's actually interesting to him, he just said it because he wants Flarg dead. What do you say to this?
So do you want players to vote with you or not? Should I just go play in a sandbox and vote wherever the hell? If you really feel this way you shouldn’t be voting Tom, you should be repeating Day 1 again trying to get me lynched, which you are/were wrong about anyway.
What is v/v? I don’t think I suggested any such thing, at least not intentionally. It’s way too early to operate off those assumptions because the reads aren’t strong. I’m suspicious of both of them.
I don’t really care that ZDS changed his mind. What I do like is that it’s solvey and puts Flarg on a time limit to do something. Either kill himself to prove he’s not scum/sk or actually shoot and kill scum/sk. Because if he’s not hitting good targets he’s a liability anyways.
Of course this defense is for others. Youve decided my kj case had no merit, and that is why youre scumreading me, and your mind will not be changed.
Yes theres more added on to your read, most of which ive addressed, but that is *why* youre scumreading me.
If thats a premise you believe, you probably should be scumreading me.
Nothing to counterargue there.
Pretty much just dismissing you for being so shallow.
There’s plenty of other parts of the case that don’t involve your being wrong on KJ. I’m not convinced by your responses at all.
So the people still pushing me, you aren’t changing your mind on me because you are dead set kcc is scum.
Stop and see what I am doing. I am asking questions, searching, and trying to read. If I was scum replacing into this god awful slot I would give up. Seriously.
I would like to concider everyone still pushing kcc slot who is ignoring my play and sticking on kcc. Scum move right there. Ignoring the replacement and still pushing my predicessor. Kcc is gone. Rodemy is here. Why is RODEMY scum?
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Thank you for choosing
Rodemy Pizza
It’s not the best choice, but it’s a choice nonetheless
So the people still pushing me, you aren’t changing your mind on me because you are dead set kcc is scum.
Stop and see what I am doing. I am asking questions, searching, and trying to read. If I was scum replacing into this god awful slot I would give up. Seriously.
I would like to concider everyone still pushing kcc slot who is ignoring my play and sticking on kcc. Scum move right there. Ignoring the replacement and still pushing my predicessor. Kcc is gone. Rodemy is here. Why is RODEMY scum?
Well, the four people you posted up as your wolves, and people you want to likely vote instead....aren't exactly inspiring. If you are going to do things like put 3 very heaviliy town read players (zionite aside), might have helped for you to push and show why.
So the people still pushing me, you aren’t changing your mind on me because you are dead set kcc is scum.
I'm not changing my mind on you cause ya've done nothing to change my mind. Your targets mostly seem to be people who are scum reading you and you're struggling to get through a case because it even connects to your slot. Its hyper defensive.
I don't think you're scum hunting...I think you're just defending yourself. Voting someone and saying "for science" and then not doing anything pressurey is not scum hunting.
Sloth's case on tom shows how paranoid Sloth is of tom, much more than it proves tom is scum. The paranoia does appear genuine, so there's that.
I'm probably biased because moustacheman left a good impression on me as early as his early defense of Zionite (though I may start seeing that in a completely different context if Zion flips scum), and because I've been agreeing with him a whole lot recently. Nevertheless, the previous paragraph still stands.
And then Zionite and Vaimes jumped in. This wagon stiiiiiiiiinks.
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@Zionite Re #1948
1) Will you reconsider your town read on Johnny if Rhand flips town? If yes, is there already something about Johnny's attack on Rhand that would justify this?
2) Will you maintain your town read on Johnny if Rhand flips scum? If yes, is there already something about Johnny's attack on Rhand that makes it look like it can't be a bus?
Basically, prove to me you aren't setting yourself up to go after Johnny purely for being wrong.
3) To clarify on my vote pool, no I don't believe they are the full scum team. I believe you three are most likely to flip scum.
4) To clarify on KCC/Rod, YWF made a decent case against KCC and Rodemy has been flinging OMGUSes everywhere, both of which toned down my town read on the slot without reversing it.
What exactly do people think I mean when I said she "came into this Day knowing she was probably doomed"?
Because I did not mean she was simply going to give up and say "lynch me", who the hell would do that? I meant she would play like usual, with the intention of make it through the day and not be lynched - just know that it'd probably still happen despite her best efforts; like she did from the word GO with sheeping rhand, voting Dork, dismiss the hammer, etc.?
How do you separate between KCC playing like usual while knowing herself doomed and not letting it transpire, and KCC playing like usual?
Dork's "shoot yourself, Flarg" strategy hinged on (1) Flarg doing it toNight; and (2) admitted by Dork as not one that's actually interesting to him, he just said it because he wants Flarg dead. What do you say to this?
I don’t really care that ZDS changed his mind. What I do like is that it’s solvey and puts Flarg on a time limit to do something. Either kill himself to prove he’s not scum/sk or actually shoot and kill scum/sk. Because if he’s not hitting good targets he’s a liability anyways.
To maybe clarify on this, I haven't changed my mind and Zionite has the right interpretation.
@Rodemy Do you care about literally anything other than your own ass?
Ok fine. Kill me and get my flip. Then you will see why I find the people scumreading me suspicious.
I would love to hear why you think everyone save Zionite you think is wolfy. This conversation sounds very similar, but you picked 3 spicy picks, and when with the one that was closest consensus.
Rhand, I would prefer to give one more day. Call it a subtle reading. Vaimes has just been actual awful this game day, and while I don't think the support is there today, I am prepared to dig in tomorrow. Tubba I really don't like and just feel overall unimpressed.
Jack I just feel fell of the map today. Town in general with a few exceptions seems not really hunty which is alarming considering our rate. Flarg should try to stop the god damn hero shots, and we will see what happens!
I would also swap LW and Zionite spot wise on that list. I looked at it again, and I was kind of a tie there. I posted it the original way per my last few lists, but I didn't particular like Zionite this game day.
Dont think id be happy voting outside rodemy/rhand but vaimes might be my 3rd choice rn
Its hard because vaimes is more or less down to lynch me at any time regardless of his alignment, but i kinda think townvaimes would still have no reaction to sloths case but laughter
If not, tell me who you want to vote for.
I presently would be ok with Zio, Not!CupCake or Tom at this point.
I think your case on him has merit. I've listed out my reasons for the KCC Rod slot before and Zio despite saying he's been "watching [me] more closely" just somehow misses
ignoresmy questioning his lackluster reads.You're not showing me you can do it.
I will listen to what others you mention on this post say though, as well as what other reactions to my case are.
...yeah, I just got done ISOing you and the entire game.
Haven't seen the bull*****. No. Also no.
I don't have any "beef" with you over any one specific thing, it's a combination of things.
The specific thing you are talking about here was that last thing I threw as part of the main case, right after the phrase "More? Alright, fine."
And you think that means it's an important/beefy part? Or are you playing it off as such to discredit?
'Cause one certainly makes more sense.
Reads change, that's fine - and I don't expect linearity. I expect natural progression and testing of your assumptions, which I didn't see.
I do admit though: That's my expectation and as such free to fall to bias, hence why it was just tossed at the end.
Terrible? Nah.
In what way did it contradict anything? Are you talking about #1893?
What exactly do people think I mean when I said she "came into this Day knowing she was probably doomed"?
Because I did not mean she was simply going to give up and say "lynch me", who the hell would do that? I meant she would play like usual, with the intention of make it through the day and not be lynched - just know that it'd probably still happen despite her best efforts; like she did from the word GO with sheeping rhand, voting Dork, dismiss the hammer, etc.?
When I originally made that argument, it hadn't really dawned on me that she had disappeared. It was made without that being a factor in the slightest.
Is that seriously so confusing?
Ya think, btw? I'm honestly still going strong.
if Tom is a wolf, he is hard to lynch based on his posts anyways
still think there are better lynches like his partners in this case, which would probably be the likes of Rodemy/Zion/Vaimes
all 3 of which are way better lynches when you think about who is actually doing *****, and who isnt
and who actually has reasons to wolf read them, which arent a reach
Sorry if I sound like an ass, but like if Tom flips town, I will be sad
You're a rollercoaster, von.
Like I said in #1956, if the case is not strong enough to sway you, then it isn't.
I'm still going to push it and going to make sure it's at the forefront of people's minds.
I'm not against Rodemy aside from the recent replacement and while my Z case is still there in D1 - though if he ever expresses an independent thought I may faint.
I kind of already covered this but yes please do take a look back on that
My vote on johnny was the start of the day. That, i guess, counts as my first reaction to kj flip. He felt, at moments of day 1, like scum along for the ride
No i didnt try to convince anyone, because i myself wasnt convinced.
Town can go along for the ride too. And town obviously did- the kj wagon wasnt me, grape, and a bunch of wolves.
So i interacted with him. Listened to other peoples cases. Thought about things. *******... played the game.
The overriding premise of this part of sloths case is that i should have had some concrete conclusion from kj flipping town.
But like
No im just moving on and trying to solve the game. Think my posts show that
My bad, I’ll bold the problematic parts for you presently
Yes it was thrown in at the end of your case but its what youve been asking me about all day. And its crap because i am progressing and testing my assumptions.
Thats what voting gj and interacting him is. Thats what... literally everything ive posted today is?
As for kcc...
I still pretty strongly disagree with your premise that she would have thought she was dying today but this also doesnt seem worth arguing since... youre the only person that believes that afaict.
Perhaps your point against me there makes sense if thats the case but.
God its so bad my dude
My read of Rhand, independent of KCC, is conflicting and not necessary toDay. Lol. Why does Ter (ywf) know that, again? What makes you say that.
Also is the rest of this post saying that scum stay away from the spotlight? Because? Are you ******* mirroring me again?
Points for sticking to KCC.
What do you base your Rhand/GJ not v/v world? You propose a scenario where they have to be unaligned.
Dork's "shoot yourself, Flarg" strategy hinged on (1) Flarg doing it toNight; and (2) admitted by Dork as not one that's actually interesting to him, he just said it because he wants Flarg dead. What do you say to this?
Lol gotta be honest, I'm glad someone finally brought up the possibility.
I think I am starting to see why you are lynched a lot...
@Tubba
I like sassy Tubba
I...disagree
Nothing you're saying actually counters or disolves what I have said, at least not from what I can see.
Hey, I'm aware that I can be wrong, but obviously I don't think so. I'll keep pressing you and engaging you as things go along.
Huh. Did not expect you to be the type of player that gets pissy. Wonder what that says as far as alignment.
On topic though: Again, wrong. I actually love the way you play. Dumbass. ( )
Alright, I'm beat, gotta sleep. Damn still not fully caught up. Night peeps, stay healthy!
Something to wake up to
and he can easily think that as a wolf, or town
not to shade you, or assume his thoughts, that's just my opinion on the matter
anyways going to sleep
This is the most fun ive had this game <since i wasnt right about kj>
And i guess i meant dont understand the way i play, not dont like.
"Dont like" in your reads
Like, when several of your points are about me being dismissive.
Thats
Yeah
Lol
I think youre town im dismissing your points because i think they deserve to be dismissed.
That doesnt change with my alignment.
You used the phrase "theatrical rather than sincere"
Uh
Hi im tom. I havent been sincere since 1998 and i play mafia as weird performance art.
I know none of this will convince you im town. If you truly believe my kj case was baseless... then what the **** are we even talking about.
It sucks it was wrong, but im truly sad for you to live in a world where there isnt room for that kind of read.
And however you dress it up... that IS the crux. You cant follow the place between whatever black magic ****ery goes on in my head and how i choose to put it in the thread.
Changing your mind aint happening this game. Youll see my flip... and then continue to misread me in new and interesting ways forever probably.
Maybe start a club with newcomb
Thats fine
I agree that ive been dismissive, brazen, full of agenda, and wrong about kj.
Not sorry about any of it
It’s like the apocalypse has started in a bad horror movie.
Has tom claimed?
Do you feel I'm being dumb?
I'm aware of what you're saying in regards to tom, it doesn't really shade me because it's not relevant to my read of him. But I do wanna hear more thoughts you have.
You're reducing a lot onto the idea that it's based on you having read KJ wrong and the flip being town, and that that alone shouldn't be reason to scumread you.
And you're right, it shouldn't be. Which is why it's not. What I'm actually saying is that the arguments you used and the case you presented wrong in a way I believe is unlike you, and it's easy to see in the post itself why and--actually keeping this argument going will result in us going in circles which isn't protown.
To other players reading this: just read my case. I'm just repeating and summarizing here.
Nah bro.
You've talked at a reasonable tone, and presented an appearance of sensibility but it's not following beyond the surface. But sure, if others are convinced, I'm certainly not going to lynch you on my own.
If it matters, I am not so obtuse that I'm not considering a town!tom world and aren't already looking at that in recent posts, so...Let's talk about that next!
Agreed, it was getting boring. /offers high five
Man, this is way too wholesome for a good ol' fashioned mafia 1v1.
I'm gonna go throw a chair at a wall and insinuate that I had premarital relations with your progenitor. For a dollar.
In my absence, since I know Town as a collective has the memory retention of a squirrel during winter: My case still applies. Tom's response has just talked around it. There is no actual counterargument, just a lot of reasonable tone and skirting around the issue and trying to keep ahead of things - which I spend over 6 pages pointing out is not a Town measure for him so ffs don't just take it as such.
Look at the content. Look to see if what he's saying actually has weight. If you believe it does, then ****, maybe you have a better measure than I, don't sheep me.
Otherwise, he's still luring you in with sweet nothings (oh my). So, once again, join me.
(Also, I noticed on reread that his initial response to address the case was to talk about me ("he's still harping", "he's got beef", etc.) rather than to me, which shows that he was far more interested in talking to everyone else about discrediting me than he was about talking to me about the case.
Don't know if this is AI, but I certainly don't like it and thought it was worth bringing up)
kthnxbye
Barring the obvious with Tom who else are you looking at?
I have spoken
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Of course this defense is for others. Youve decided my kj case had no merit, and that is why youre scumreading me, and your mind will not be changed.
Yes theres more added on to your read, most of which ive addressed, but that is *why* youre scumreading me.
If thats a premise you believe, you probably should be scumreading me.
Nothing to counterargue there.
Pretty much just dismissing you for being so shallow.
I resent this. I have given a lot of fresh reads and been very transparent with my thoughts. Tom was already on my watch list. I support the Tom push when you call for it, and this is how you respond. Unbelievable. You act as if I had no opinion until you graced us with your case.
So do you want players to vote with you or not? Should I just go play in a sandbox and vote wherever the hell? If you really feel this way you shouldn’t be voting Tom, you should be repeating Day 1 again trying to get me lynched, which you are/were wrong about anyway.
What is v/v? I don’t think I suggested any such thing, at least not intentionally. It’s way too early to operate off those assumptions because the reads aren’t strong. I’m suspicious of both of them.
I don’t really care that ZDS changed his mind. What I do like is that it’s solvey and puts Flarg on a time limit to do something. Either kill himself to prove he’s not scum/sk or actually shoot and kill scum/sk. Because if he’s not hitting good targets he’s a liability anyways.
There’s plenty of other parts of the case that don’t involve your being wrong on KJ. I’m not convinced by your responses at all.
Stop and see what I am doing. I am asking questions, searching, and trying to read. If I was scum replacing into this god awful slot I would give up. Seriously.
I would like to concider everyone still pushing kcc slot who is ignoring my play and sticking on kcc. Scum move right there. Ignoring the replacement and still pushing my predicessor. Kcc is gone. Rodemy is here. Why is RODEMY scum?
Well, the four people you posted up as your wolves, and people you want to likely vote instead....aren't exactly inspiring. If you are going to do things like put 3 very heaviliy town read players (zionite aside), might have helped for you to push and show why.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I can address you directly.
Gimme something else
I'm not changing my mind on you cause ya've done nothing to change my mind. Your targets mostly seem to be people who are scum reading you and you're struggling to get through a case because it even connects to your slot. Its hyper defensive.
I don't think you're scum hunting...I think you're just defending yourself. Voting someone and saying "for science" and then not doing anything pressurey is not scum hunting.
I'm not going to be able to catch up before deadline. If there's anything I should address, please let me know.
I would no lynch before I voted tom.
Take that as you will.
Also, lols on the 1 day deadline. That literally has no impact on me.
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Sloth's case on tom shows how paranoid Sloth is of tom, much more than it proves tom is scum. The paranoia does appear genuine, so there's that.
I'm probably biased because moustacheman left a good impression on me as early as his early defense of Zionite (though I may start seeing that in a completely different context if Zion flips scum), and because I've been agreeing with him a whole lot recently. Nevertheless, the previous paragraph still stands.
And then Zionite and Vaimes jumped in. This wagon stiiiiiiiiinks.
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@Zionite Re #1948
1) Will you reconsider your town read on Johnny if Rhand flips town? If yes, is there already something about Johnny's attack on Rhand that would justify this?
2) Will you maintain your town read on Johnny if Rhand flips scum? If yes, is there already something about Johnny's attack on Rhand that makes it look like it can't be a bus?
Basically, prove to me you aren't setting yourself up to go after Johnny purely for being wrong.
3) To clarify on my vote pool, no I don't believe they are the full scum team. I believe you three are most likely to flip scum.
4) To clarify on KCC/Rod, YWF made a decent case against KCC and Rodemy has been flinging OMGUSes everywhere, both of which toned down my town read on the slot without reversing it.
How do you separate between KCC playing like usual while knowing herself doomed and not letting it transpire, and KCC playing like usual?
There is a very easy explanation for that contradiction.
To maybe clarify on this, I haven't changed my mind and Zionite has the right interpretation.
@Rodemy Do you care about literally anything other than your own ass?
I would love to hear why you think everyone save Zionite you think is wolfy. This conversation sounds very similar, but you picked 3 spicy picks, and when with the one that was closest consensus.
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In case I don't get a chance to respond before lynch time apart from a vote, new updated list:
GJ
tom
YWF
Sloth
ZDS
Jack
Zion
LW
Flarg
Tubba
Vaimes
Rhand
Romney
Consider my vote not moving from the bottom four.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Rhand, I would prefer to give one more day. Call it a subtle reading. Vaimes has just been actual awful this game day, and while I don't think the support is there today, I am prepared to dig in tomorrow. Tubba I really don't like and just feel overall unimpressed.
Jack I just feel fell of the map today. Town in general with a few exceptions seems not really hunty which is alarming considering our rate. Flarg should try to stop the god damn hero shots, and we will see what happens!
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I would also swap LW and Zionite spot wise on that list. I looked at it again, and I was kind of a tie there. I posted it the original way per my last few lists, but I didn't particular like Zionite this game day.
Game is hard.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Its hard because vaimes is more or less down to lynch me at any time regardless of his alignment, but i kinda think townvaimes would still have no reaction to sloths case but laughter
Zion (3): Tubba, Rodemy, zds
Rhand (2): Tom, GJ
Rodemy (1): last
Not Voting (3): Flarg, Jack, ywf
Should be right
If this is really the bloody choice, Unvote, Vote Zionite
Flarg, shoot Rodemy
Good talk
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Wait,
Why the **** were you worried about your ass when you were like 3rd in the vote count?
Please move back to this. ******* PLEASE
I don't know how busy my days this weekend are going to be for the virus, but tonight is my only guaranteed time to check the thread. ******* please.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I cant tell if i actually still think zion is town or just want to be right d1
Kcc was very probably scum