Actually scratch the last line above, I have a better idea.
@FlargeBlarge Would you be willing to kill yourself toNight?
My plan is:
- 1) ToDay we lynch someone who actually has a chance of being mafia; - 2) ToNight Flarge vigs himself if he's town, thus not becoming a mislynch later down the road;
- 3) Day 3 we lynch Flarge if he didn't kill himself, because he has no more excuses at this point.
Part 3 can be delayed if we or he hit mafia, but I don't like playing with fire.
If Flarge isn't okay with this plan we just lynch him now.
You can't be serious.
Also re:Vaimes thing: Mad about skimming, not his actions or lackthereof. He'll get it.
About to be bumrushed by a bunch of people who want free tax advise.
I think zion is town and kcc might be a wolf, but kj flipping town pushes both those reads towards the middle *just a little bit*
Though i dont think thats a versus. In that their alignments arent really tied together in my head.
I don't disagree. They could be V/V. I added the ignore me part because I feel like my alignment changes your view on Zionite, but I think I mixed it up in my mind. Me being town doesn't really effect your read of Zio (I assume). Me being a wolf does.
I just meant vs as in, KCC is wolf reading him, Zionite doesn't seem to be a huge fan from a quick skim (not 100% sure if ZIonite is still reading KCC as a wolf).
I have a slight point of paranoia of Zionite per a note, but I need to hear a response from him. The other people in my wolf reads are in a weird spot. I need to look at Flarg a bit more, and I think I will turn on Rhand if nothing changes today.
as far as i remember, youre the only one tying yourself to zion...
Why havent you turned on rhand already?
Because I haven't really been paying attention to him, and the last few posts I caught from him were basically saying "busy, will do more later."
@ZDS: I don't get why you dislike me balancing between Flarg and Rhand. They are both secondary ideas that I am researching because I made my points about KCC, but she wasn't here. Like, what do you want me to do: Shoot some ***** and talk about how townie people are that I am already seeing? Try to figure out tubba and be wrong for the 5th time?
Flarg has no real pressure other than you. I don't know why he'd out as a vig when he absolutely didn't have to if he was sk or wolf.
Trying to decide if LW's earlier post was TMI. Probably not as grape is a strange enough kill that I would guess vig. My issue is the lack of 2nd kill that I feels makes that assumption a coinflip.
Client needs bank account numbe if she wants to not wait a few months for a tax return check, so time for GJ
Lmao in one mod world does the mod ever allow someone to use their mechanical ability on themselves if it would kill them, hint, it's never, and secondly that is literally the definition of playing against your win con
If anyone thinks I believe Flarge will kill himself or is actually a town vig I recommend you look at my posting history toDay. My plan is for maximum scumhunting efficiency, because lynching the SK does not give much information.
But fine, let's ignore the it and lynch him if I'm that stupid.
Of course anyone who disagrees that Flarge needs to die should say so (disagreeing with my plan or calling me an idiot is fine but doesn't count).
If anyone thinks I believe Flarge will kill himself or is actually a town vig I recommend you look at my posting history toDay. My plan is for maximum scumhunting efficiency, because lynching the SK does not give much information.
But fine, let's ignore the it and lynch him if I'm that stupid.
Of course anyone who disagrees that Flarge needs to die should say so (disagreeing with my plan or calling me an idiot is fine but doesn't count).
You doubling down on your own posting isn't making me feel better about you.
Your post to Flarg is literally a "throw the woman into the lake" witch test. If he doesn't shoot himself, HE'S A WOLF (or sk potentially). If he dies, he's TOWN.
@LW: You do know I was already scumreading ZDS yesterDay, right? And KCC's scumread on him clearly built up overNight. The case on Flarg is not the reason why I think ZDS is scum. The reason I was breaking it apart was to show that it's a bad (and probably scum-motivated) case and a bad reason to run up Flarg.
by sentences
1. Why?
2. and? seriously what's the point here?
3. ok?
4. Is it maliciously bad, or just bad? because there is a difference because I want to say that Tom's push on Killjoy was bad, but I dont think at this time that it was malicious
Like what GJ said, its a lose/lose situation
its atrocious, and it makes me think, does a wolf actually say this?
secondly, if you want a real plan, you decide who he shoots that isnt himself, and if he doesn't, then you kill him, probably
I am not that sold on Flarg being lock wolf yet, as you can tell from Sloth's quote of mine
but Rhand and KCC can die
but the world does make sense
like sure ZDS's case is probably as reachy as Toms, but its a case? none the less
there really isnt reason to wolf read him for it
like Proph said, Dont assume someone is malicious when it can be chopped down to either stupidity or playing bad
@LW: You do know I was already scumreading ZDS yesterDay, right? And KCC's scumread on him clearly built up overNight. The case on Flarg is not the reason why I think ZDS is scum. The reason I was breaking it apart was to show that it's a bad (and probably scum-motivated) case and a bad reason to run up Flarg.
by sentences
1. Why?
2. and? seriously what's the point here?
3. ok?
4. Is it maliciously bad, or just bad? because there is a difference because I want to say that Tom's push on Killjoy was bad, but I dont think at this time that it was malicious
1. Because you're saying ZDS's case isn't a reason to wolf read him. But that isn't the reason I wolfread him.
2. Same with KCC. The case isn't the reason for her read.
3. You want to kill us both for voting ZDS after that case, but now you're not interested in why we actually vote ZDS?
4. I think it is yes, and I have severe doubts about tom still too. Especially because he doesn't answer our question.
If anyone thinks I believe Flarge will kill himself or is actually a town vig I recommend you look at my posting history toDay. My plan is for maximum scumhunting efficiency, because lynching the SK does not give much information.
But fine, let's ignore the it and lynch him if I'm that stupid.
Of course anyone who disagrees that Flarge needs to die should say so (disagreeing with my plan or calling me an idiot is fine but doesn't count).
Looks to me like ZDS caught himself in the old neutral hunting scumtell.
He goes from wanting him dead to saying that lynching the SK doesn’t give info but still wanting to lynch him.
And the result of his plan would be to still lynch Flarg anyways because he knows it's a plan Flarg can't agree with as any alignment.
Meh, the only thing I'll agree on is the switch to "Probably an SK now" is bad
also saying I want to kill both you and KCC because of your vote on ZDS is a severe understatement
Also v/la or not, why no push or shove on Zionite today?
1) Because you were very low on content compared to your postcount.
2) Because both Flarg and Vaimes townread him. I'm still iffy about him, but our chat made me not want to pursue that toDay.
I am not that sold on Flarg being lock wolf yet, as you can tell from Sloth's quote of mine
but Rhand and KCC can die
but the world does make sense
like sure ZDS's case is probably as reachy as Toms, but its a case? none the less
there really isnt reason to wolf read him for it
like Proph said, Dont assume someone is malicious when it can be chopped down to either stupidity or playing bad
@LW: You do know I was already scumreading ZDS yesterDay, right? And KCC's scumread on him clearly built up overNight. The case on Flarg is not the reason why I think ZDS is scum. The reason I was breaking it apart was to show that it's a bad (and probably scum-motivated) case and a bad reason to run up Flarg.
by sentences
1. Why?
2. and? seriously what's the point here?
3. ok?
4. Is it maliciously bad, or just bad? because there is a difference because I want to say that Tom's push on Killjoy was bad, but I dont think at this time that it was malicious
1. Because you're saying ZDS's case isn't a reason to wolf read him. But that isn't the reason I wolfread him.
2. Same with KCC. The case isn't the reason for her read.
3. You want to kill us both for voting ZDS after that case, but now you're not interested in why we actually vote ZDS?
4. I think it is yes, and I have severe doubts about tom still too. Especially because he doesn't answer our question.
Why do you wolfread him then.
Not sure how you know KCC read grew so much over night, like I said multiple times he came off as more town to me overnight who was the only other person there. KCC reasons seem to be not liking his Flarg case which was partly mine as well, but like I said no one blames me at all only him is weird.
I'm convinced ZDS is mafia, and I'm not going to start arguing with him because I have very bad experiences with that.
YesterDay he was complaining about the game state without doing anything to change it himself.
He spent a whole post explaining that he thinks Zio and KJ are both town, but he did nothing to get anyone else lynched.
He attacks Flarg toDay and the only other people he talks about are those that think Flarg is town, shading them while trying to get Flarg ran up.
This is his answer, which does nothing to move the needle for me.
My Day 1 play was uncharacteristic and I intentionally stayed in the background. The alternative would have been voting based on the first five or so pages of the thread and letting my vote rot away or (worse) be a distraction, while I'm too busy or too in a different time zone to actually matter.
Like Wisp Said I think ZDS is just insane tunneling to a degree and I don't see a wolf doing it in this situation, espically when their standing is so bad. I can sort of get behind his view on the Sk side, but not sure if worth the risk. I'm also not sure who ZDS would be scum with here since I'm the only one who bothers to defend him while others want to jump on him. Maybe I'm wrong here which is possible but I think he honestly bellieves he is right on Flarg like Tom did on KJ this level of commitment is hard to see from a wolf imo.
I'm convinced ZDS is mafia, and I'm not going to start arguing with him because I have very bad experiences with that.
YesterDay he was complaining about the game state without doing anything to change it himself.
He spent a whole post explaining that he thinks Zio and KJ are both town, but he did nothing to get anyone else lynched.
He attacks Flarg toDay and the only other people he talks about are those that think Flarg is town, shading them while trying to get Flarg ran up.
This is his answer, which does nothing to move the needle for me.
My Day 1 play was uncharacteristic and I intentionally stayed in the background. The alternative would have been voting based on the first five or so pages of the thread and letting my vote rot away or (worse) be a distraction, while I'm too busy or too in a different time zone to actually matter.
I'm actually fine with his response since it matches with what he said at night and also I think is something a town could do and have seen done in the past.
On his gamestate thing complaining he gave decent enough reasons for me, also yesterday as scum he could easily of just jumped on either and got no blame it, other side is also true that scum would sit back but overall the lack of commitment is a worst move. His attack of flarg I see as town as shpon in last post
Also v/la or not, why no push or shove on Zionite today?
1) Because you were very low on content compared to your postcount.
2) Because both Flarg and Vaimes townread him. I'm still iffy about him, but our chat made me not want to pursue that toDay.
That's a terrible reason. People ***** post. Are you going to tell me every one of KJ's post was content? The question you should be asking is the content that is coming out is town mindset or wolf mindset.
You do understand that your cellmates are not cleared, yes?
Meh, the only thing I'll agree on is the switch to "Probably an SK now" is bad
also saying I want to kill both you and KCC because of your vote on ZDS is a severe understatement
two things.
You said SK first
And when your top scumread claims a bad vig target is a perfectly reasonable time to think SK anyway
Like Wisp Said I think ZDS is just insane tunneling to a degree and I don't see a wolf doing it in this situation, espically when their standing is so bad. I can sort of get behind his view on the Sk side, but not sure if worth the risk. I'm also not sure who ZDS would be scum with here since I'm the only one who bothers to defend him while others want to jump on him. Maybe I'm wrong here which is possible but I think he honestly bellieves he is right on Flarg like Tom did on KJ this level of commitment is hard to see from a wolf imo.
Pretty much where I am at with that read. Almost a TWTBW feel to him. My issue with that and why I am fence sitting is when I think of TWTBW, ZDS hasn't been a person that comes off that way.
Whatever, don't care about him today. Bigger cats to skin and all that.
Meh, the only thing I'll agree on is the switch to "Probably an SK now" is bad
also saying I want to kill both you and KCC because of your vote on ZDS is a severe understatement
two things.
You said SK first
And when your top scumread claims a bad vig target is a perfectly reasonable time to think SK anyway
I ma posting on a Saturday because you are frustrating me.
Why the change from thinking I am a wolf to voting along side me? I thought you were also leaning more KCC townish per our conversation?
No rhand, im not particularly interested in discussing the awkward ass week me and kj had.
Think his play here and in token was more similar to eachother than to any recent town games, but basically not even i am a good enough wolf to apply what i knew from an ongoing game here without sacrificing some game integrity, and i think i handled it as well as I could have.
This is not a reason to scumread me. Im sure there's plenty find them
Why the change from thinking I am a wolf to voting along side me? I thought you were also leaning more KCC townish per our conversation?
i dont *not* think youre a wolf, i dont care at all about voting with you, and i dont remember being town on kcc at any point after throwing her a toneread in RVS or something
Also johnny (i think this was you) sloth claimed he was the nightkill days ago, grape being a separate kill is not established or proven or anything, but its not new either
....unrelated to the actually game but I gotta says GJ and Jackritos names are throwing me cause Sloth is Johnny and I'm Jack/Jacki so my brain stutters every so often reading people's posts.
They was more but those are the main points only real other thing was KCC showing us how scummy Grape was
Possibly irrelevant question: What's your opinion of KCC's case on Grape? You mentioned he was one of your scumreads until his flip.
I'm looking for signs that her case was strong, thought-out and legitimate - at least in your opinion.
Something else that bothers me while rereading Rhand is that he came out at one point with the view Zion and Kj could both be scum, this bothers me because it is so similar to Flarg view that both are town which also happens within 30 posts of each other. one being 997 which is Flarg and Rhand being 1040
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@Rhand: I actually asked about this D1, I think? Were did the idea that they could be w/w come from? Did KJ move away from null at one point to you and how did that end up happening? what indication did you have that they were aligned, even?
@sloth not just talking about KJ points. Like, you repeated me on tubba and zds/flarg in the last 8 hours. You and i agree on a fair amount outside of kj/zion
But
Ok ill wait
Hm. True, but I do want to point out that the views we had on ZDS/Flarg were not rare, they were shared by most of us.
Tubba is also right, but not on D1? Plus my read of him is more based on cell chat than anything else here on the thread.
Talk to me about why you think Zion is now Town; I want to hear your (sober) process on this.
Lack of counterwagon, general thread stall, and lack of progression/lack of desire for a CFD in general leads me to think Scum were content with the thread in the way it was. Maybe they have giant balls but I feel strongly enough about it to reverse my read.
Did you have this read already by EoD1, or when did it come about?
Anyway, this is all irrelevant, I shot Grape. Cell can more-or-less confirm it, I never said "I'm gonna shoot Grape" but I got pretttttty close.
Neat. TownVig should CC unless they have reasons and so on and so forth, you know the drill.
I really wish you had shot Zion, he was/is a huge point of contention this game, and read the above for why I'm trying to understand your process here as TownVig.
Even if you no longer read him, an objective view of the game has his shot being one of the most pro-town moves.
REally unimpressed with Rhand. Only post he looks like he is actively solving was that color broken post for Flarg against ZDS, and even that, I don't agree with that much. Also, the Zionite read disappeared out of nowhere.
Why vote ZDS over ZIonite?
Night chat again. Both my cellmates think Zio is town.
Do you often make read choices based on what others (whose alignment you don't know) say?
Bluntly put: What is your read on Z now?
They was more but those are the main points only real other thing was KCC showing us how scummy Grape was
Possibly irrelevant question: What's your opinion of KCC's case on Grape? You mentioned he was one of your scumreads until his flip.
I'm looking for signs that her case was strong, thought-out and legitimate - at least in your opinion.
Something else that bothers me while rereading Rhand is that he came out at one point with the view Zion and Kj could both be scum, this bothers me because it is so similar to Flarg view that both are town which also happens within 30 posts of each other. one being 997 which is Flarg and Rhand being 1040
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@Rhand: I actually asked about this D1, I think? Were did the idea that they could be w/w come from? Did KJ move away from null at one point to you and how did that end up happening? what indication did you have that they were aligned, even?
Grape was a personal scum read for me anyway as shown in my readlist yesterday, KCC reasons were her pointing to posts Grape did at a time when Grape should of being told by Tom that KJ was scum, but he was still seeing KJ as null in thread and only said he was overposting. Next she took issue witb Grape thinking that Tom was reaction testing him at the time of the message, her reason being that someone telling you that KJ is scum and seeing it as a test is a sign of a guilty mind, which I diasagree with personally.
Final thing she said was that she was how shocked she is that Grape done so little but makes sense if he is certain KJ is scum then said she hopes no one pressures him too fast to see how he reacts.
I also just noticed in her read list she posted in our chat has ZDS in the middle and she saw Grape Tubba and Zion as worse. Also YWF and Vaimes on the same level so her leap to attacking ZDS so much and not Zion or Tubba is a bit weird tbh. She also never really build on why she sees Zion as scum apart from as scum he is creative when he is replying to peoples posts and changing their intent. Said nothing on Tubba as well
Flarg didn't claim in our chat, but we spent a lot of time comparing suspicions, and Grape came out on top, followed by GJ and ZDS.
So yeh, it does seem like he was using our chat to narrow down his target.
Hm. @Rhand and @Vaimes, important:
How do you describe the progression of Grape being read as the scummiest by all 3 of you?
Did Flarg come out already scumreading him and then you all consolidated on that read? Did he have a Town/Null read on him at the start and over the course of the Night changed his mind and agreed that he was scummy?
Go back to the cell chat and read it carefully before answering please - both of you.
@Rhand you said both your cellmates read Z as Town, was that the case from the start of Night?
P.S. I did ask you something, look into my past posts just now.
Also, talk more about your KCC read and progression.
You can't be serious.
Also re:Vaimes thing: Mad about skimming, not his actions or lackthereof. He'll get it.
About to be bumrushed by a bunch of people who want free tax advise.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Because I haven't really been paying attention to him, and the last few posts I caught from him were basically saying "busy, will do more later."
tom, why are you voting with me?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Wtf is wrong with you
Can I echo this?
I just can't believe how god damn greedy you were and HOW YOU GOT AWAY WITH IT WITHOUT BEING PUNISHED. GAHHHHH
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Flarg has no real pressure other than you. I don't know why he'd out as a vig when he absolutely didn't have to if he was sk or wolf.
Trying to decide if LW's earlier post was TMI. Probably not as grape is a strange enough kill that I would guess vig. My issue is the lack of 2nd kill that I feels makes that assumption a coinflip.
Client needs bank account numbe if she wants to not wait a few months for a tax return check, so time for GJ
The GJ way path to no lynching:
But fine, let's ignore the it and lynch him if I'm that stupid.
Of course anyone who disagrees that Flarge needs to die should say so (disagreeing with my plan or calling me an idiot is fine but doesn't count).
You doubling down on your own posting isn't making me feel better about you.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
1. Why?
2. and? seriously what's the point here?
3. ok?
4. Is it maliciously bad, or just bad? because there is a difference because I want to say that Tom's push on Killjoy was bad, but I dont think at this time that it was malicious
its atrocious, and it makes me think, does a wolf actually say this?
secondly, if you want a real plan, you decide who he shoots that isnt himself, and if he doesn't, then you kill him, probably
like what is this haha? it reads as, "My scum read is clearly more real", else IDK where you were going with this shade
1. Because you're saying ZDS's case isn't a reason to wolf read him. But that isn't the reason I wolfread him.
2. Same with KCC. The case isn't the reason for her read.
3. You want to kill us both for voting ZDS after that case, but now you're not interested in why we actually vote ZDS?
4. I think it is yes, and I have severe doubts about tom still too. Especially because he doesn't answer our question.
Looks to me like ZDS caught himself in the old neutral hunting scumtell.
He goes from wanting him dead to saying that lynching the SK doesn’t give info but still wanting to lynch him.
And the result of his plan would be to still lynch Flarg anyways because he knows it's a plan Flarg can't agree with as any alignment.
KittyCupCake (3): Gentleman Johnny, YWFMLF, Tomsloger
ZeDorkSlipeur (2): Rhand, KittyCupCake
FlargBlarg (2): Jackrito, ZeDorkSlipeur
Gentleman Johnny (1): Vaimes
Rhand (1): Lastwhisper
Not Voting (4): FlargBlarg, Tubba Fett, Zionite, Slothful
Zionite is V/LA until 3/10
Vaimes is V/LA until 3/8
Gentleman Johnny is V/LA weekends
With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is March 14th at 2000 MST.
also saying I want to kill both you and KCC because of your vote on ZDS is a severe understatement
Why did your group not like me?
Also v/la or not, why no push or shove on Zionite today?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
1) Because you were very low on content compared to your postcount.
2) Because both Flarg and Vaimes townread him. I'm still iffy about him, but our chat made me not want to pursue that toDay.
Why do you wolfread him then.
Not sure how you know KCC read grew so much over night, like I said multiple times he came off as more town to me overnight who was the only other person there. KCC reasons seem to be not liking his Flarg case which was partly mine as well, but like I said no one blames me at all only him is weird.
This is his answer, which does nothing to move the needle for me.
I'm actually fine with his response since it matches with what he said at night and also I think is something a town could do and have seen done in the past.
On his gamestate thing complaining he gave decent enough reasons for me, also yesterday as scum he could easily of just jumped on either and got no blame it, other side is also true that scum would sit back but overall the lack of commitment is a worst move. His attack of flarg I see as town as shpon in last post
That's a terrible reason. People ***** post. Are you going to tell me every one of KJ's post was content? The question you should be asking is the content that is coming out is town mindset or wolf mindset.
You do understand that your cellmates are not cleared, yes?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
You said SK first
And when your top scumread claims a bad vig target is a perfectly reasonable time to think SK anyway
Pretty much where I am at with that read. Almost a TWTBW feel to him. My issue with that and why I am fence sitting is when I think of TWTBW, ZDS hasn't been a person that comes off that way.
Whatever, don't care about him today. Bigger cats to skin and all that.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I ma posting on a Saturday because you are frustrating me.
Why the change from thinking I am a wolf to voting along side me? I thought you were also leaning more KCC townish per our conversation?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Think his play here and in token was more similar to eachother than to any recent town games, but basically not even i am a good enough wolf to apply what i knew from an ongoing game here without sacrificing some game integrity, and i think i handled it as well as I could have.
This is not a reason to scumread me. Im sure there's plenty find them
Hope this clears things up
Not particularly.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Ya I figured that is why you tunneled on KJ....
It *might* have kept me from being able to reevaluate a bit just because awkward but i stand by everything i said in this thread.
Think GJ is still a slight town lean also
I must say, I'm very annoyed no one reacted to my amazing joke on #1606.
Possibly irrelevant question: What's your opinion of KCC's case on Grape? You mentioned he was one of your scumreads until his flip.
I'm looking for signs that her case was strong, thought-out and legitimate - at least in your opinion. Sloth likes this post.
@Rhand: I actually asked about this D1, I think? Were did the idea that they could be w/w come from? Did KJ move away from null at one point to you and how did that end up happening? what indication did you have that they were aligned, even?
Tubba is also right, but not on D1? Plus my read of him is more based on cell chat than anything else here on the thread.
Why are you being superfluous here? That is definitely not what he said, and you spent so long arguing with him about it, so you should know.
Also, you didn't answer this:
Neat.
TownVig should CC unless they have reasons and so on and so forth, you know the drill.
I really wish you had shot Zion, he was/is a huge point of contention this game, and read the above for why I'm trying to understand your process here as TownVig.
Even if you no longer read him, an objective view of the game has his shot being one of the most pro-town moves.
Bluntly put: What is your read on Z now?
Grape was a personal scum read for me anyway as shown in my readlist yesterday, KCC reasons were her pointing to posts Grape did at a time when Grape should of being told by Tom that KJ was scum, but he was still seeing KJ as null in thread and only said he was overposting. Next she took issue witb Grape thinking that Tom was reaction testing him at the time of the message, her reason being that someone telling you that KJ is scum and seeing it as a test is a sign of a guilty mind, which I diasagree with personally.
Final thing she said was that she was how shocked she is that Grape done so little but makes sense if he is certain KJ is scum then said she hopes no one pressures him too fast to see how he reacts.
I also just noticed in her read list she posted in our chat has ZDS in the middle and she saw Grape Tubba and Zion as worse. Also YWF and Vaimes on the same level so her leap to attacking ZDS so much and not Zion or Tubba is a bit weird tbh. She also never really build on why she sees Zion as scum apart from as scum he is creative when he is replying to peoples posts and changing their intent. Said nothing on Tubba as well
@Rhand and @Vaimes, important:
How do you describe the progression of Grape being read as the scummiest by all 3 of you?
Did Flarg come out already scumreading him and then you all consolidated on that read? Did he have a Town/Null read on him at the start and over the course of the Night changed his mind and agreed that he was scummy?
Go back to the cell chat and read it carefully before answering please - both of you.
@Rhand you said both your cellmates read Z as Town, was that the case from the start of Night?
P.S. I did ask you something, look into my past posts just now.
Also, talk more about your KCC read and progression.
Aid the ignorant....CC?