@jackrito
I mean I could probably be townier if I wanted to, but I again I also don't want to blow up this game. Just don't worry about me, because there is very little world's where I get touched today anyways. Lastly I choose to play differently here because of the longer day phases, and for my sanity
@jackrito
I mean I could probably be townier if I wanted to, but I again I also don't want to blow up this game. Just don't worry about me, because there is very little world's where I get touched today anyways. Lastly I choose to play differently here because of the longer day phases, and for my sanity
You and I are tied for top poster, at 63.
Now I'm beating you.
ya but you come and go, I am reading all my threads everyday, and in the blink of an eye I can rise like 100 posts, if I am not careful with my one-liners
The point of being opportunistic is the core of my vote, and my town-read on Grape and KCC supporting your wagon.
Zi, in light of #153 (and #199): Explain your progression from that to this. How did you get to the point of sheeping Grape to this point.
KCC was unmistakably a RVS no-substance vote so her being on Jack since #11 is not even worth acknowledging as something that would have influenced you if you were actually paying attention to your townreads.
Think my active towncore is KJ/Jack/Sloth/Flarg. Maybe Last.
same, I am fine with that PoE
@jackrito
I mean I could probably be townier if I wanted to, but I again I also don't want to blow up this game. Just don't worry about me, because there is very little world's where I get touched today anyways. Lastly I choose to play differently here because of the longer day phases, and for my sanity
Thats all fair and was my assumption. Nothing you have done has gave me scum vibes either.
[quote from="KittyCupCake »" url="/forums/community-forums/mafia/816321-prison-block-mafia-ii-day-1-orange-dawn?comment=431"]A: the type of person who types through their thoughts that way is uncommon in general
B: if they aren't that type of person they are scum (this feels relatively unlikely now)
Yeah, you're going to walk me through B. Are you saying: If they aren't that type of person, they are scum...but now it's unlikely despite this being your argument for Jack being so?
Yes, I know you unvoted. Doesn't matter.
As for the line about leaving them alive that was entirely a joke at wisp's expense. He'd said something about Jackrito becoming clearer as more time passes which is true for everyone and not a particular useful approach when he's the only person in the game familiar with Jack.
@Slothful I misworded that. I meant that Jack is unlikely to not be that sort of person (hedgy) so I can't write him off as scum for just the hedges now.
Ugh. This was the problem with you at MCU too. You had a knack for saying very damning things with very unlikely yet just plausible enough explanations.
Maybe I am just cynical, but I missed about 40 posts from work, and feel like nothing of substance was really said, apart from my last post back and forth with tom.
My block looks something like JAck, Random letter person, and maybe Sloth.
My intention was for the spoiler to contradict it enough that it would be clear the original was a joke. But I'm very bad at jokes.
Hah. That's actually a point against you.
Alright, I'mma level with you: I'm in no hurry to sort you out.
I'm also have no problem voting you if it comes to that, though I would prefer Zi. Hesitations and plausibility aside, the bad stacks up and people that know you better than me are more certain on you than anyone else. So,
Maybe I am just cynical, but I missed about 40 posts from work, and feel like nothing of substance was really said, apart from my last post back and forth with tom.
No, you're correct. There's a reason I'm trying to wring out analysis from everything like a dried out canteen in a hot desert.
Talk to me about Von.
What are your thoughts on Tom, and has anything changed with you on Zi based on the ongoing discussion?
What does being his cellmate have to do with his alignment?
Last few posts, every time I saw a vaimes post, it just felt like he was talking but nothing relevent was being said. I don't remember being super impressed with him either on my last few skims either.
Tom I feel better about. I don't necessarily agree with his read on Zio, but nothiung has really changed between based on the discussion. I would want to hear from him more before I made a judgement call.
What does being his cellmate have to do with his alignment?
Last few posts, every time I saw a vaimes post, it just felt like he was talking but nothing relevent was being said. I don't remember being super impressed with him either on my last few skims either.
It makes knowledge of his alignment more valuable to me because of the game mechanics?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Maybe I am just cynical, but I missed about 40 posts from work, and feel like nothing of substance was really said, apart from my last post back and forth with tom.
My block looks something like JAck, Random letter person, and maybe Sloth.
Tom is trending slightly above null.
Hottake: vaimes is a wolf.
Would you elaborate on your town block? I don’t recall you mentioning any of them really except for slight town lean on Jack. What’s firmed that up and what do you like about the other two?
Do you really not expect me to throw you up against that wall, biatch?!
Vaimes could be a wolf, since I think Flarg is probably town, and Rhand is lesser town?
that's the extent of me wanting to lynch Vaimes at this point
Why does my alignment reflect on Vaimes at all?
it doesn't per say? this just goes back to the whole mechanics/randomness of this game in terms of mafia in the groupings
and I literally said, "That's the extent of my read on Vaimes"
as in I don't think he is a wolf yet, but if I believe both of you are town, then its somewhat more likely that he is a wolf
I’ll post more later just keeping up with reading.
I definitely didn’t remember KCCs vote was RVS. I’m also feeling less confident KCC is town.
Tom is either really good at reads or scum going for points because “he knew” I’m town. I’m going with town and really good.
Jack wanting to Lynch Flarg for info was bad. I was even kind of second guessing going in on my last post but I figured it was already done and totally valid. Still is. My whole point was that hedging and lack of commitment isn’t necessarily and indicator of alignment. I also wanted to see how players responded. I still think he could be scum but less so now.
Also feeling better about Last whisper and Laser Letters given recent posts. I prefer the walls occasionally.
Grape seemed to drop Jack kinda fast, felt he was going harder than I was. I’m less confident in Grape now.
I think I should barn Tom on Vaimes because I’ve consistently liked his posts the most. Then later actually read Vaimes to see if it’s a good bet to run up. But with players like sloth hung up on me it might be worth running myself up just to get it over with.
Ah, that one.
There was no actual heat on him: KCC had voted as a clear RVS on her very first post (and later admitted it meant nothing to no one's surprise).
Grape voted him for reasoning that I feel half of us have labeled strange. (Oddly Grape didn't play it off as also a joke, hm.)
The two others that were possibly discussing him were also saying that it wouldn't be him (Last and Vaimes (HAH, I did it!)) and in fact were voting you at the time.
Based on this and his reactions and statements before or after, I don't see any flailing and panicking, just casual remarks while working things out.
I think you’re missing my point which is there’s a disconnect between saying “i don’t know wha=y two people who have almost no activity aren’t in this potential lynch pool” and “Flarg has a lot of activity and is a good info-lynch.”
In one breath Jack’s claiming to understand lynching people with high activity for info when in the one before that he’s low-key griping that the lynch pool didn’t include non active players. If you understand you can lynch active players for info than you grasp lynching non active players is a waste.
I guess my homework today is to ISO Tom and Vaimes.
FTR, so far I've been mostly having them on "corner of my eye" status: Tom always reads scummy to me in every game we've played together, and Vaimes has just seemed like Vaimes in his post.
I did do a double-take at #445 when Vaimes put me in his townblock, cause I'm pretty sure that's literally the first time that has ever happened, ever. I also don't think I've played with him as scum since returning from my 5-year hiatus, so will have to keep in mind I don't know what scum!von looks like.
Ter, why bother with a wall when half of it isn't really saying much?
Revisiting this...logic states that if you feel half of the wall doesn't say much the other half does. Anything in particular catch your eye? We obviously disagree on Jack so what about him is locking town to you?
Von, where does Rhand fit in your readings? Not asking for a definite read, just leanings.
If he hasn't been pushed on by the end of the Day, he's scum.
If he hasn't been pushed on? As in, if no one outside in 16 players presses him?
Explain how that makes him scum?
That post is mostly tongue-in-cheek. Rhand usually gets pushed on a lot early when he’s town, because scum are trying to mislunch him. Ergo, if he doesn’t get pushed on, he’s probably scum.
This isn’t a totally reliable read.
Another one is if he makes weak pushes on me. So far that read is 2/2, maybe 3/3.
As for townreading you, your posts aren’t large enough that I’m skipping them, and I like your engagement. Plus the only reasonable world where you’re scum includes Last, and I don’t think he’s scummy.
Ter, I’ll get to you in a few hours. Not able to page through the thread right now.
Jack isn’t a lock. I think his posting is pure-ish. I liked how up front he was about liking playing scum, and the play here doesn’t reeeally support that meta (which I’m gonna take at face-value unless Last contradicts it).
I’ll post more later just keeping up with reading. [I definitely didn’t remember KCCs vote was RVS. I’m also feeling less confident KCC is town.(1)]
Tom is either really good at reads or scum going for points because “he knew” I’m town. I’m going with town and really good.
Jack wanting to Lynch Flarg for info was bad. I was even kind of second guessing going in on my last post but I figured it was already done and totally valid. Still is. [My whole point was that hedging and lack of commitment isn’t necessarily and indicator of alignment.(2)] I also wanted to see how players responded. I still think he could be scum but less so now.
Also [feeling better about Last whisper and Laser Letters given recent posts(4)]. I prefer the walls occasionally. [Grape seemed to drop Jack kinda fast, felt he was going harder than I was. I’m less confident in Grape now.(3)]
I think I should barn Tom on Vaimes because I’ve consistently liked his posts the most. Then later actually read Vaimes to see if it’s a good bet to run up. But with players like sloth hung up on me it might be worth running myself up just to get it over with.
But yes, now the thread is getting juicy.
So on this post, you establish:
Even though she was your townread at the time, you didn't read KCC's post close enough to see that it was an RVS; despite it being her literal first post so impossible to miss.
Hedging/Lack of commitment not being an indicator. I agree with this but that is seriously not what you were saying earlier. This feels like trying to backtrack.
Further changes unexplained changes on Grape.
What Last and Ter have done to make you feel better? I'm assuming it's more than walls.
@Tom, what is your reaction to #480? Asking for a friend.
@Zi ftr I do hear what you're saying about hang-ups and despite the fact that the way you pointed it out made it slightly AtE, I am honestly trying to see things from different angles. This is why I'm engaging you at all, rather than just dismiss you as scum. This may sound obnoxious as hell, but the burden of innocence is on you to prove, not on me to believe.
On that note, whenever you get around to this would be great:
The point of being opportunistic is the core of my vote, and my town-read on Grape and KCC supporting your wagon.
Zi, in light of #153 (and #199): Explain your progression from that to this. How did you get to the point of sheeping Grape to this point.
KCC was unmistakably a RVS no-substance vote so her being on Jack since #11 is not even worth acknowledging as something that would have influenced you if you were actually paying attention to your townreads.
Just kidding, I remembered what I meant by half not saying much.
It looked like a read list, but you didn’t really list any thoughts for a lot of the players, or vote anyone at the end of it.
A lot of the player I didn't have much to go on. Tubba, grape, kcc, rand, johnny, and zedork were kinda low on the post count by that point. Like I said to Sloth I tend to hold off on my voting. I'm between two and when my confidence gets more locked I'll throw it down
I think you’re missing my point which is there’s a disconnect between saying “i don’t know wha=y two people who have almost no activity aren’t in this potential lynch pool” and “Flarg has a lot of activity and is a good info-lynch.”
In one breath Jack’s claiming to understand lynching people with high activity for info when in the one before that he’s low-key griping that the lynch pool didn’t include non active players. If you understand you can lynch active players for info than you grasp lynching non active players is a waste.
I feel like you're right and I may be because didn't I directly address the high-volume aspect of that in the second part of the post you're quoting?
As for the low-poster part, Jack addressed it in #438 and #439 in a way that I thought was fair enough not to follow up on.
Not used to being in the ppotential lynch pool on day one, I'm fine with it tbh. Not really sure what KCC and Tubba did to not be in it though,i assume that this is because of meta knowledge or some nonsense since both have being underwhelming to the extreme.
On the other two I really don't rememeber anything YWFM has done this game so guess I should look at them, Flarg is a good lynch for info gathering since they have being the centre of attention so far, like I said eariler I see them as a slight town read but that has fell a bit recently. I want to relook at them as a whole to be sure.
Zion is someone I still have issues with also
I mean, it's not a done deal. I kinda threw it together on the fly to get some discussion going.
It is meta-related, yes.
Do you find that center-of-attention slots flip scum or town more often?
I find it varies from person to person Wisp for example will be center of attention no matter what side he is. Normally in my exp scum will try to be passive and do just enough to not be suspected, but not enough to be questioned why still alive. Certain people can powerwolf though where you need to be the driving force. It all comes down to confidence and belief though.
Just kidding, I remembered what I meant by half not saying much.
It looked like a read list, but you didn’t really list any thoughts for a lot of the players, or vote anyone at the end of it.
A lot of the player I didn't have much to go on. Tubba, grape, kcc, rand, johnny, and zedork were kinda low on the post count by that point. Like I said to Sloth I tend to hold off on my voting. I'm between two and when my confidence gets more locked I'll throw it down
Yeah, so my question was, why make a wall if you had so little to go on for a lot of slots.
You said it was just to organize your thoughts, so. That’s fine.
I think you’re missing my point which is there’s a disconnect between saying “i don’t know wha=y two people who have almost no activity aren’t in this potential lynch pool” and “Flarg has a lot of activity and is a good info-lynch.”
In one breath Jack’s claiming to understand lynching people with high activity for info when in the one before that he’s low-key griping that the lynch pool didn’t include non active players. If you understand you can lynch active players for info than you grasp lynching non active players is a waste.
I feel like you're right and I may be because didn't I directly address the high-volume aspect of that in the second part of the post you're quoting?
As for the low-poster part, Jack addressed it in #438 and #439 in a way that I thought was fair enough not to follow up on.
Not used to being in the ppotential lynch pool on day one, I'm fine with it tbh. Not really sure what KCC and Tubba did to not be in it though,i assume that this is because of meta knowledge or some nonsense since both have being underwhelming to the extreme.
On the other two I really don't rememeber anything YWFM has done this game so guess I should look at them, Flarg is a good lynch for info gathering since they have being the centre of attention so far, like I said eariler I see them as a slight town read but that has fell a bit recently. I want to relook at them as a whole to be sure.
Zion is someone I still have issues with also
I mean, it's not a done deal. I kinda threw it together on the fly to get some discussion going.
It is meta-related, yes.
Do you find that center-of-attention slots flip scum or town more often?
I find it varies from person to person Wisp for example will be center of attention no matter what side he is. Normally in my exp scum will try to be passive and do just enough to not be suspected, but not enough to be questioned why still alive. Certain people can powerwolf though where you need to be the driving force. It all comes down to confidence and belief though.
Jack, how do you reconcile the bolded?
I still want a (direct) response.
Never really responded because not sure what the issue is here, but guess I can clarify a bit better, I think scum will not want to be the center of attention and if are so will back track if possible. The main reason for this being when you have everyone's attention the chance of slipping and being caught out is higher.
Actually I see the issue now, the reason I said that on Flarg is because I at the time thought Flarge was backtracking at times, because he felt caught out but as day as gone on he has being pretty steady with his posts and sharing thoughts. They is no attemot to hide or sheep. To add to this sometimes on day one especially when they are shorter like I'm used to it is better to lynch for info interactions day one and take the chance if you see a chance of them being scum. Not the best play but when they is limited time you need all the info you can get. Flarge fell into that area since a lot of [people had some take on him.
Just wanted to point out me saying why they are not in the POE does not mean I want them lynched. More wanting to know why others do not. If you don't pressure low posters they have no reason to step it up.
Also on the other part they is too much focus on my Flarge view espically since it lasted about 20 mins and I changed to a town read after reading them over.
In regards to it though I don't think doing a lynch for info and interactions off them is bad day one
This is what I don’t get. It's right there in the last line! Lynches can give info based on interactions that person had through out the day. That is literally the point of saying flarg is a "good lynch"
It’s common sense. WHY would we lynch someone who’s had no interactions? This early on, a shot in the dark style lynch does not have probability on our side for scum flip. If they town flip, then we’ve just culled our numbers for no reason. Regardless of alignment we get no info from lynching an inactive D1 because they haven’t talked to anyone for us to comb through and see people’s reactions. Ergo they get removed from PoE until we have something to GAIN from it.
My issue with the post isn't about Flarg, KCC or Tubba. Its straight up a disconnect between saying "I understand how lynch active for info works" and "I don't understand why you don't consider inactives for lynching." in the same post.
Now I'm beating you.
Sort me, and I'll tell you how much I believe it.
KCC was unmistakably a RVS no-substance vote so her being on Jack since #11 is not even worth acknowledging as something that would have influenced you if you were actually paying attention to your townreads.
So What's...Eating Gilbert Grape?
Thats all fair and was my assumption. Nothing you have done has gave me scum vibes either.
Yes, I know you unvoted. Doesn't matter.
Point me to that post, please.
Von, where does Rhand fit in your readings? Not asking for a definite read, just leanings.
Welp. Here we go again.
My intention was for the spoiler to contradict it enough that it would be clear the original was a joke. But I'm very bad at jokes.
Maybe I am just cynical, but I missed about 40 posts from work, and feel like nothing of substance was really said, apart from my last post back and forth with tom.
My block looks something like JAck, Random letter person, and maybe Sloth.
Tom is trending slightly above null.
Hottake: vaimes is a wolf.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Why? as his cellmate i'm curious
Alright, I'mma level with you: I'm in no hurry to sort you out.
I'm also have no problem voting you if it comes to that, though I would prefer Zi. Hesitations and plausibility aside, the bad stacks up and people that know you better than me are more certain on you than anyone else. So,
No, you're correct. There's a reason I'm trying to wring out analysis from everything like a dried out canteen in a hot desert.
Talk to me about Von.
What are your thoughts on Tom, and has anything changed with you on Zi based on the ongoing discussion?
Grape (2): kcc, rhand
Kj (1): Tubba
Vaimes (1): Tom
Jack (1): zion
Tom (1): Vaimes
Not Voting (6): YWFMLF, GJ, Jack, ZDS, Kj, grape
What does being his cellmate have to do with his alignment?
Last few posts, every time I saw a vaimes post, it just felt like he was talking but nothing relevent was being said. I don't remember being super impressed with him either on my last few skims either.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Tom I feel better about. I don't necessarily agree with his read on Zio, but nothiung has really changed between based on the discussion. I would want to hear from him more before I made a judgement call.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
It makes knowledge of his alignment more valuable to me because of the game mechanics?
Would you elaborate on your town block? I don’t recall you mentioning any of them really except for slight town lean on Jack. What’s firmed that up and what do you like about the other two?
Do you really not expect me to throw you up against that wall, biatch?!
that's the extent of me wanting to lynch Vaimes at this point
How did you read that bullet point and edit out the most relevant thing in there?
Why does my alignment reflect on Vaimes at all?
and I literally said, "That's the extent of my read on Vaimes"
as in I don't think he is a wolf yet, but if I believe both of you are town, then its somewhat more likely that he is a wolf
I definitely didn’t remember KCCs vote was RVS. I’m also feeling less confident KCC is town.
Tom is either really good at reads or scum going for points because “he knew” I’m town. I’m going with town and really good.
Jack wanting to Lynch Flarg for info was bad. I was even kind of second guessing going in on my last post but I figured it was already done and totally valid. Still is. My whole point was that hedging and lack of commitment isn’t necessarily and indicator of alignment. I also wanted to see how players responded. I still think he could be scum but less so now.
Also feeling better about Last whisper and Laser Letters given recent posts. I prefer the walls occasionally.
Grape seemed to drop Jack kinda fast, felt he was going harder than I was. I’m less confident in Grape now.
I think I should barn Tom on Vaimes because I’ve consistently liked his posts the most. Then later actually read Vaimes to see if it’s a good bet to run up. But with players like sloth hung up on me it might be worth running myself up just to get it over with.
But yes, now the thread is getting juicy.
This was a funny joke in Seasons, but this time you didn’t formulate it jokingly.
Why?
@Zionite: Are you saying we should lynch you?
I think you’re missing my point which is there’s a disconnect between saying “i don’t know wha=y two people who have almost no activity aren’t in this potential lynch pool” and “Flarg has a lot of activity and is a good info-lynch.”
In one breath Jack’s claiming to understand lynching people with high activity for info when in the one before that he’s low-key griping that the lynch pool didn’t include non active players. If you understand you can lynch active players for info than you grasp lynching non active players is a waste.
FTR, so far I've been mostly having them on "corner of my eye" status: Tom always reads scummy to me in every game we've played together, and Vaimes has just seemed like Vaimes in his post.
I did do a double-take at #445 when Vaimes put me in his townblock, cause I'm pretty sure that's literally the first time that has ever happened, ever. I also don't think I've played with him as scum since returning from my 5-year hiatus, so will have to keep in mind I don't know what scum!von looks like.
Explain how that makes him scum?
…I def. have regrets about my handle…
isn’t accounting fun?
I mean apart from frustration, pain, and financial drain…It's fun!
Revisiting this...logic states that if you feel half of the wall doesn't say much the other half does. Anything in particular catch your eye? We obviously disagree on Jack so what about him is locking town to you?
This isn’t a totally reliable read.
Another one is if he makes weak pushes on me. So far that read is 2/2, maybe 3/3.
As for townreading you, your posts aren’t large enough that I’m skipping them, and I like your engagement. Plus the only reasonable world where you’re scum includes Last, and I don’t think he’s scummy.
Jack isn’t a lock. I think his posting is pure-ish. I liked how up front he was about liking playing scum, and the play here doesn’t reeeally support that meta (which I’m gonna take at face-value unless Last contradicts it).
@Tom, what is your reaction to #480? Asking for a friend.
@Zi ftr I do hear what you're saying about hang-ups and despite the fact that the way you pointed it out made it slightly AtE, I am honestly trying to see things from different angles. This is why I'm engaging you at all, rather than just dismiss you as scum. This may sound obnoxious as hell, but the burden of innocence is on you to prove, not on me to believe.
On that note, whenever you get around to this would be great:
(Also, acknowledge my hilarious joke damn you.)It looked like a read list, but you didn’t really list any thoughts for a lot of the players, or vote anyone at the end of it.
A lot of the player I didn't have much to go on. Tubba, grape, kcc, rand, johnny, and zedork were kinda low on the post count by that point. Like I said to Sloth I tend to hold off on my voting. I'm between two and when my confidence gets more locked I'll throw it down
The GJ way path to no lynching:
As for the low-poster part, Jack addressed it in #438 and #439 in a way that I thought was fair enough not to follow up on.
That does remind me. @Jack: I still want a (direct) response.
You said it was just to organize your thoughts, so. That’s fine.
Never really responded because not sure what the issue is here, but guess I can clarify a bit better, I think scum will not want to be the center of attention and if are so will back track if possible. The main reason for this being when you have everyone's attention the chance of slipping and being caught out is higher.
Actually I see the issue now, the reason I said that on Flarg is because I at the time thought Flarge was backtracking at times, because he felt caught out but as day as gone on he has being pretty steady with his posts and sharing thoughts. They is no attemot to hide or sheep. To add to this sometimes on day one especially when they are shorter like I'm used to it is better to lynch for info interactions day one and take the chance if you see a chance of them being scum. Not the best play but when they is limited time you need all the info you can get. Flarge fell into that area since a lot of [people had some take on him.
I could of still explained that better maybe.
This is what I don’t get. It's right there in the last line! Lynches can give info based on interactions that person had through out the day. That is literally the point of saying flarg is a "good lynch"
It’s common sense. WHY would we lynch someone who’s had no interactions? This early on, a shot in the dark style lynch does not have probability on our side for scum flip. If they town flip, then we’ve just culled our numbers for no reason. Regardless of alignment we get no info from lynching an inactive D1 because they haven’t talked to anyone for us to comb through and see people’s reactions. Ergo they get removed from PoE until we have something to GAIN from it.
My issue with the post isn't about Flarg, KCC or Tubba. Its straight up a disconnect between saying "I understand how lynch active for info works" and "I don't understand why you don't consider inactives for lynching." in the same post.