this is so ballsy that I almost want to call it town, almost.
i am struggling believing that grapefruit as scum comes charging at silver then immediately backs off then blames gemma for sending him on the goose chase in the first place?
Yeah, I got insane paranoid townie vibes from that in a similar way. Idk, not a super strong thing.
To be clear, I don't have a super scumread on KCC or anything, that post was a "KCC isn't doing squat, why are people letting her skate by" not a "wow I hate KCC, people join me"
[quote from="Nachomamma8 »" url="/forums/community-forums/mafia/815132-ever-changing-seasons-mafia-day-one-start-dreams?comment=1250"]while that post wasn't the best indication of it, I saw her come together with you in a way to understand you/to be understood that felt extraordinarily genuine. and yes, all she was doing was explaining her meta but the way that it came across was incredibly pure.
that being the towniest post i've ever seen from her is probably an overreaction based on all experiences with her that i can remember being a bit more terse and a lot less amendable/open (since the Vaimes post very shortly took that crown) buut I really really really don't think she's scum here.
It's called love, Nacho.
I don't think you're stupid for thinking she's town. I've been perplexed by her Vaimes push for more nebulous meta reasons + not knowing what to make of her playing differently on MTGS.
I swear whenever nacho gives reads, they are wolfy as *****, but when he attacks people he is full on bravado, and it kinda looks townie
@vaimes
If you are a wolf this game, I will hate myself letting you live past day 1, but given that you have this impenetrable day 1 meta armor, it's actually impossible
then put what you call "bravado" in your back pocket because this is the feeling that i can't fake as scum.
i'm very confident in the town circle because there are a bunch of people putting genuine effort into solving the same that i feel are leaps and bounds apart from their scumgames, and i don't feel these games come along very often.
kitty is scum. the towniest thing she's done this game is claim that she has a scummy PR which isn't anywhere enough to excuse her overall reactions with the vezok and m1ndreaver wagons (contributes nothing agrees with case, contributes nothing agrees with case, oh here's a case on m1ndreaver that's literally her just saying "this is fake" 5 times with quotes).
i hate her treatment of Gemma; she seems to circle around a scumread throughout the entirety of the exchange (and I think that Kitty as town would be scumreading Gemma after some of her exchanges), but she never actually bites back because she doesn't want to scumread a universal townread. there's no point where Kitty seems like she's pursuing a genuine read and the things that she does decide to pursue have a very, very clear agenda for Kitty as scum.
[quote from="Nachomamma8 »" url="/forums/community-forums/mafia/815132-ever-changing-seasons-mafia-day-one-start-dreams?comment=1244"]this is exactly how i feel.
To be clear, I don't have a super scumread on KCC or anything, that post was a "KCC isn't doing squat, why are people letting her skate by" not a "wow I hate KCC, people join me"
Quote from "Gemma" »
It's called love, Nacho.
I don't think you're stupid for thinking she's town. I've been perplexed by her Vaimes push for more nebulous meta reasons + not knowing what to make of her playing differently on MTGS.
it's real difficult navigating being scum and talking to someone that you love is town.
i don't think that's happening to fulcrum right now and that clicked for me at that post.
I'm not really a fan of KCC's #740. She posts that she's in the process of catching up, says that she's more than happy to address any off-hand things in the mean time - Silver asks her to comment on top wagons, she offers a bunch of non-controversial opinions and then disappears. Seems like the perfect example of a wolfy pop-in; do just enough to make sure that everyone knows you're around, then disappear again.
Disappear... as in used my available time the next day to read instead of post?
Also, look, I love playing scum when I roll it. Lurking is not a thing I do, I think it's against the spirit of the game, and just a bad strategy anyway.
If you have an issue with my content, cool, but I'm a little tired of being attacked for dealing with an IRL issue at this point
This is also a very opportunistic hop onto the Vezok wagon - really don't like how the sum of her contribution to it so far is "i agree with what x said about vezok!". don't like that she's not really trying to figure out the alignment of anyone who she's lynching.
I think Vez is way easier to read under pressure. My vote was me trying to figure out her alignment.
I swear whenever nacho gives reads, they are wolfy as *****, but when he attacks people he is full on bravado, and it kinda looks townie
@vaimes
If you are a wolf this game, I will hate myself letting you live past day 1, but given that you have this impenetrable day 1 meta armor, it's actually impossible
then put what you call "bravado" in your back pocket because this is the feeling that i can't fake as scum.
i'm very confident in the town circle because there are a bunch of people putting genuine effort into solving the same that i feel are leaps and bounds apart from their scumgames, and i don't feel these games come along very often.
kitty is scum. the towniest thing she's done this game is claim that she has a scummy PR which isn't anywhere enough to excuse her overall reactions with the vezok and m1ndreaver wagons (contributes nothing agrees with case, contributes nothing agrees with case, oh here's a case on m1ndreaver that's literally her just saying "this is fake" 5 times with quotes).
i hate her treatment of Gemma; she seems to circle around a scumread throughout the entirety of the exchange (and I think that Kitty as town would be scumreading Gemma after some of her exchanges), but she never actually bites back because she doesn't want to scumread a universal townread. there's no point where Kitty seems like she's pursuing a genuine read and the things that she does decide to pursue have a very, very clear agenda for Kitty as scum.
[quote from="Nachomamma8 »" url="/forums/community-forums/mafia/815132-ever-changing-seasons-mafia-day-one-start-dreams?comment=1244"]this is exactly how i feel.
To be clear, I don't have a super scumread on KCC or anything, that post was a "KCC isn't doing squat, why are people letting her skate by" not a "wow I hate KCC, people join me"
Quote from "Gemma" »
It's called love, Nacho.
I don't think you're stupid for thinking she's town. I've been perplexed by her Vaimes push for more nebulous meta reasons + not knowing what to make of her playing differently on MTGS.
it's real difficult navigating being scum and talking to someone that you love is town.
i don't think that's happening to fulcrum right now and that clicked for me at that post.
@jackrito
@keldeo
Is Nacho deserving of the "bad town" read? Or is he just a wolf?
Also jack, plz post, I'll be disappointed if you get replaced out
you can call me bad town all you'd like, but i'm over here getting scum lynched and you're voting the townie getting scum lynched so???
</blockquote>wot? I wish I new who the wolves were, that would be great? How are you gonna argue confidence as actual facts, KCC can certainly be scum, and your arguement is, "I know I am town", and "I know she is a wolf"
I can roll with fulcrum being town for now. I think her weirdness is probably explainable by "mtgs things" and don't think her follow-up to the Vaimes push is quite the way she plays that as mafia unless she's really going for the long-con, and eh, not much point in bothering to cover that base right now.
there's no point where Kitty seems like she's pursuing a genuine read and the things that she does decide to pursue have a very, very clear agenda for Kitty as scum.
I'm not really a fan of KCC's #740. She posts that she's in the process of catching up, says that she's more than happy to address any off-hand things in the mean time - Silver asks her to comment on top wagons, she offers a bunch of non-controversial opinions and then disappears. Seems like the perfect example of a wolfy pop-in; do just enough to make sure that everyone knows you're around, then disappear again.
Disappear... as in used my available time the next day to read instead of post?
Also, look, I love playing scum when I roll it. Lurking is not a thing I do, I think it's against the spirit of the game, and just a bad strategy anyway.
If you have an issue with my content, cool, but I'm a little tired of being attacked for dealing with an IRL issue at this point
This is also a very opportunistic hop onto the Vezok wagon - really don't like how the sum of her contribution to it so far is "i agree with what x said about vezok!". don't like that she's not really trying to figure out the alignment of anyone who she's lynching.
I think Vez is way easier to read under pressure. My vote was me trying to figure out her alignment.
You have limited time to post, I'm completely okay with that (I also have limited time!).
However, instead of using your limited time to post something useful like... unique thoughts, feelings you had about the game, things that you thought were important, you posted a bunch of non-controversial opinions on the wagon because Silver asked. I have a problem with that because I don't think it is how a townie approaches the game when catching up. I also don't like that you boiled down your push on me to "you're another one pushing me for lurking".
When you voted vezok, why choose to vote Vezok over M1nd? Why not vote Vezok earlier if you think that she's easier to vote under pressure?
i hate her treatment of Gemma; she seems to circle around a scumread throughout the entirety of the exchange (and I think that Kitty as town would be scumreading Gemma after some of her exchanges), but she never actually bites back because she doesn't want to scumread a universal townread
Yes, she's being strongly townread by players who are all far more familiar with her alien playstlye. It's giving me pause on my read while I try to parse her approach.
What exactly is supposed to be the motive here for scum me?
wot? I wish I new who the wolves were, that would be great? How are you gonna argue confidence as actual facts, KCC can certainly be scum, and your arguement is, "I know I am town", and "I know she is a wolf"
Plz out of my face
you're calling me bad town.
i'm telling you to remember this moment so that tomorrow, when i'm voting scum again, you're sheeping me instead of shading me.
i hate her treatment of Gemma; she seems to circle around a scumread throughout the entirety of the exchange (and I think that Kitty as town would be scumreading Gemma after some of her exchanges), but she never actually bites back because she doesn't want to scumread a universal townread
Yes, she's being strongly townread by players who are all far more familiar with her alien playstlye. It's giving me pause on my read while I try to parse her approach.
What exactly is supposed to be the motive here for scum me?
If it seemed like you were trying to "parse her approach" during any point of your exchange with her then it'd be a different story completely, but you didn't. You're questioning Gemma because that allows you to discredit her and go on the offensive a bit as scum. The only point you come close to reading her was throwing out the "Gemma/Mind w/w" piece, and even that isn't confronting her directly.
However, instead of using your limited time to post something useful like... unique thoughts, feelings you had about the game, things that you thought were important, you posted a bunch of non-controversial opinions on the wagon because Silver asked.
However, instead of using your limited time to post something useful like... unique thoughts, feelings you had about the game, things that you thought were important, you posted a bunch of non-controversial opinions on the wagon because Silver asked.
I was hundreds of posts behind??
So why waste your catch up time and post opinions that you're not attached to and don't matter in the first place?
Rhand: I really wish they weren't Micros. Micros aren't Mafia.
But I've liked your reaction to pressure, and my gut tells me that scum!you probably would have noticed I wasn't voting you anymore way before now. So I'm willing to let this simmer overNight.
I'm also kind of a fan of your saying that you believe I should be more apprehensive given my history with you. I can see you actually believe that. The problem with that logic in general, though, is: if I were apprehensive of every read I was usually wrong about... I'd literally never have any reads. Some of my hard town reads are scum, some of my hard scum reads are town. I don't really have the time to second guess EVERYTHING. So, when I feel something particularly strongly, I jump off that cliff. I'm finding it's better (and more likely to catch scum) to be wrong than indecisive.
And I'm not voting you because I, too, have decided not to focus on you because I will get stuck there and ignore the rest of the game.
Gemma: Why did it take so long for you to ask me to expand on Rhand?
Grape: When and how did I become so high on your list? 1102 doesn't adequately explain it to me.
Talk to me about Fulcrum. I'm not really agreeing with that or the tom read.
Also, do you think KCC is pocketing you? What do you think of her saying that you're very unlikely to be faking no knowing that the scum have daychat insofar as her alignment?
@Keldeo: Another way to ISO people is to pop back out to the main Mafia screen and click the link for "Number of posts in the thread" (You'll see it's a link) and that pops up a list of people who've posted in the thread. If you then click on that person's number of posts, you reach the ISO. It saves from having to spell people's names correctly.
dkingsland: re Gemma: Yeah. Maybe I'll take a deep dive into her posts to show what I mean when I have time (after the apocolypse perhaps, idk) but something about her makes me think she's scum, and I can't quite put it into words.
Vaimes: Why have you felt so flat lately? Your posts have no umph and I'm confused.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
If it seemed like you were trying to "parse her approach" during any point of your exchange with her then it'd be a different story completely, but you didn't.
Excuse me? I wasn't trying to get her to talk about her readlist request motivation for fun.
my primary reason for thinking that KCC is scum is that she seems more focused on defending herself than developing reads or figuring out the game.
like - she's spent more time defending herself from Gemma and I than she has explaining her read on M1ndreaver and trying to ramp up support for the wagon.
and maybe that is just her playstyle, but even the defending is empty - there's no bite, there's no actual pushback - like again she even called Gemma and M1nd w/w but when she said it, it seemed flat and she dropped it immediately after?
her only two pushes were vezok and m1nd, and only voted either of them after a huge chunk of the town had expressed support for them. she doesn't have any unique townreads, she doesn't really have any redeeming qualities?
but that's what i mean by her posting following a clear scum agenda - nothing she says is even kind of controversial (except in the very beginning of the game) and her suspicions are on people who already have a ton of support even though there are places where it seems like she should push against the grain a bit.
Okay, but as I understood it, you've spent a while catching up and wanted to know your reads after you read everything. Also you didn't even acknowledge the post, so I figured you were still working on catching up.
Okay, but as I understood it, you've spent a while catching up and wanted to know your reads after you read everything. Also you didn't even acknowledge the post, so I figured you were still working on catching up.
the readslist that i posted are my reads. yes, i meant to write town twice. the town group on top is strong. the town group on bottom is weaker.
i'm done catching up.
the readslist that i posted are my reads. yes, i meant to write town twice. the town group on top is strong. the town group on bottom is weaker.
i'm done catching up.
I made that post before you posted your readslist.
And because I haven't really seen evidence of him reanalyzing or showing any quality paranoia, which is hindered by ~gimmick~ but is still something I think would shine through.
i'm running out of steam in a dramatic sort of way right about now
IRL exhaustion? How available will you be from now until deadline, at least to respond to different wagons? Am fine with going with KCC if you feel strongly enough about that. I don't have the same scumread on her you do but I think your points on her are valid.
i'm around right now. i don't really know when i'll be around next.
if you care at all about reading me, now's the time to do it.
It's called love, Nacho.
I don't think you're stupid for thinking she's town. I've been perplexed by her Vaimes push for more nebulous meta reasons + not knowing what to make of her playing differently on MTGS.
@keldeo
Is Nacho deserving of the "bad town" read? Or is he just a wolf?
Also jack, plz post, I'll be disappointed if you get replaced out
Who do you want to kill?
then put what you call "bravado" in your back pocket because this is the feeling that i can't fake as scum.
i'm very confident in the town circle because there are a bunch of people putting genuine effort into solving the same that i feel are leaps and bounds apart from their scumgames, and i don't feel these games come along very often.
kitty is scum. the towniest thing she's done this game is claim that she has a scummy PR which isn't anywhere enough to excuse her overall reactions with the vezok and m1ndreaver wagons (contributes nothing agrees with case, contributes nothing agrees with case, oh here's a case on m1ndreaver that's literally her just saying "this is fake" 5 times with quotes).
i hate her treatment of Gemma; she seems to circle around a scumread throughout the entirety of the exchange (and I think that Kitty as town would be scumreading Gemma after some of her exchanges), but she never actually bites back because she doesn't want to scumread a universal townread. there's no point where Kitty seems like she's pursuing a genuine read and the things that she does decide to pursue have a very, very clear agenda for Kitty as scum.
it's real difficult navigating being scum and talking to someone that you love is town.
i don't think that's happening to fulcrum right now and that clicked for me at that post.
you can call me bad town all you'd like, but i'm over here getting scum lynched and you're voting the townie getting scum lynched so???
Also, look, I love playing scum when I roll it. Lurking is not a thing I do, I think it's against the spirit of the game, and just a bad strategy anyway.
If you have an issue with my content, cool, but I'm a little tired of being attacked for dealing with an IRL issue at this point
I think Vez is way easier to read under pressure. My vote was me trying to figure out her alignment.
but
i want to lynch dk
Plz out of my face
You have limited time to post, I'm completely okay with that (I also have limited time!).
However, instead of using your limited time to post something useful like... unique thoughts, feelings you had about the game, things that you thought were important, you posted a bunch of non-controversial opinions on the wagon because Silver asked. I have a problem with that because I don't think it is how a townie approaches the game when catching up. I also don't like that you boiled down your push on me to "you're another one pushing me for lurking".
When you voted vezok, why choose to vote Vezok over M1nd? Why not vote Vezok earlier if you think that she's easier to vote under pressure?
Silvercrys3467
Lastwhisper
vezokpiraka
Killjoy
fulcrum
Gemma
TOWN:
Vaimes
Rhand
M1ndreaverKeldeo
Axelrod
Asta
SlothfulGrapefruit21
SCUM:
shadowlancerxJackrito
KittyCupCake
dkingsland967
tomsloger
Yes, she's being strongly townread by players who are all far more familiar with her alien playstlye. It's giving me pause on my read while I try to parse her approach.
What exactly is supposed to be the motive here for scum me?
Unvote: Vote: dkingsland
you're calling me bad town.
i'm telling you to remember this moment so that tomorrow, when i'm voting scum again, you're sheeping me instead of shading me.
If it seemed like you were trying to "parse her approach" during any point of your exchange with her then it'd be a different story completely, but you didn't. You're questioning Gemma because that allows you to discredit her and go on the offensive a bit as scum. The only point you come close to reading her was throwing out the "Gemma/Mind w/w" piece, and even that isn't confronting her directly.
I wasn't around earlier to vote her?
I went with Vez over mind there... because I know Vez responds readably to pressure
So why waste your catch up time and post opinions that you're not attached to and don't matter in the first place?
But I've liked your reaction to pressure, and my gut tells me that scum!you probably would have noticed I wasn't voting you anymore way before now. So I'm willing to let this simmer overNight.
I'm also kind of a fan of your saying that you believe I should be more apprehensive given my history with you. I can see you actually believe that. The problem with that logic in general, though, is: if I were apprehensive of every read I was usually wrong about... I'd literally never have any reads. Some of my hard town reads are scum, some of my hard scum reads are town. I don't really have the time to second guess EVERYTHING. So, when I feel something particularly strongly, I jump off that cliff. I'm finding it's better (and more likely to catch scum) to be wrong than indecisive.
And I'm not voting you because I, too, have decided not to focus on you because I will get stuck there and ignore the rest of the game.
Gemma: Why did it take so long for you to ask me to expand on Rhand?
Grape: When and how did I become so high on your list? 1102 doesn't adequately explain it to me.
Talk to me about Fulcrum. I'm not really agreeing with that or the tom read.
Also, do you think KCC is pocketing you? What do you think of her saying that you're very unlikely to be faking no knowing that the scum have daychat insofar as her alignment?
@Keldeo: Another way to ISO people is to pop back out to the main Mafia screen and click the link for "Number of posts in the thread" (You'll see it's a link) and that pops up a list of people who've posted in the thread. If you then click on that person's number of posts, you reach the ISO. It saves from having to spell people's names correctly.
dkingsland: re Gemma: Yeah. Maybe I'll take a deep dive into her posts to show what I mean when I have time (after the apocolypse perhaps, idk) but something about her makes me think she's scum, and I can't quite put it into words.
Vaimes: Why have you felt so flat lately? Your posts have no umph and I'm confused.
Two, I haven't managed to really find anything to latch onto.
Did you mean to write town twice in that post?
If I thought it was a waste, I wouldn't have. I had enough thoughts on things there to share where I was precatchup
like - she's spent more time defending herself from Gemma and I than she has explaining her read on M1ndreaver and trying to ramp up support for the wagon.
and maybe that is just her playstyle, but even the defending is empty - there's no bite, there's no actual pushback - like again she even called Gemma and M1nd w/w but when she said it, it seemed flat and she dropped it immediately after?
her only two pushes were vezok and m1nd, and only voted either of them after a huge chunk of the town had expressed support for them. she doesn't have any unique townreads, she doesn't really have any redeeming qualities?
but that's what i mean by her posting following a clear scum agenda - nothing she says is even kind of controversial (except in the very beginning of the game) and her suspicions are on people who already have a ton of support even though there are places where it seems like she should push against the grain a bit.
scumreads have been in the thread for a while???
the readslist that i posted are my reads. yes, i meant to write town twice. the town group on top is strong. the town group on bottom is weaker.
i'm done catching up.
DK votes vezok, posts a big case on vezok. Vezok claims Mason, so he looks at the wagon who voted Vezok and chooses someone who sheeped his case.
Most of it is reasonable, but it suffers the same problem that Kitty's pushes did in that they're all convenient.
I'm not actively scumreading him; just think he's scum because everyone else is town.
Take it away, Gemma.