@gemma and nacho: why do you think fulcrum is scum here?
Think you misunderstood my readlist. I don't scumread fulcrum, she's just a little below null for me, same way that you're just barely above null and I don't townread you. Talked about her in 289 and 397. "fulcrum is scum" would be a drastic overstatement and misrepresentation of my read.
This game is moving way too fast for me to be able to respond to stuff in a timely manner. You"re all gonna have to wait for me to get access to a computer before I'll answer your questions.
Also just wantrd to comment on Mindreaver's omgus. Nice piece of work there. Accussing me of having surface level reads on page 3. Well drop me on my head and call me Jimmy, but I can't have deep reads when there's nothing to justify them.
I feel a lot more confident on my vote now.
Then here you comment on Mindreaver's "OMGUS" and say it makes you more confident in your vote, again without saying what made you vote in the first place.
What made you vote in the first place?
Given you didn't explain why you voted, and you have said your reads don't have anything to justify them, how does it solidify your opinion on Mindreaver when he points that out? What makes that scummy for you?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Hey guys, I'm really sorry for my lack of activity but I've got a very sick little girl that I'm trying to take care of while working from home.
I see there is a wagon on me that mostly looks like naked votes/sheeping... so not sure how much I can dissect from that. I think the reactions of people who didn't vote might be a better source of analysis. I'll try to take a closer look later today when I get a chance and catch up on the posts I've missed.
It seem to me that your level of participation in this game is quite low.
Agree/Disagree?
Normal/Not-normal?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
@Nacho: If you want a better idea of Vaimes' current wolf range you should give Game of Thrones a skim. It's a lot better than it was, though I do still have a town read on him (which is pretty similar to your read and Gemma's read, it seems like).
@Rhand: Nothing to do with your meta, I don't think, it's like... I wolf read tom hard for what seemed like a bad wolf read on me in Eurovision so it seems more natural for wolves who were also in that game to see that and fake a town read instead of "poking the bear", as it were.
Unless you meant you don't wall as a wolf which would be... eh? Maybe? I think you posted a readslist like your early one here in Eurovision though... not going to verify that on mobile but I'll probably check later when I get to a PC.
Anyway there's a general lack of paranoia about me which is... not unwelcome, exactly, but it makes *me* a bit paranoid and your early town read sticks out.
It is kind of odd that I expressed interest in switching wagons and some people voted you, though, heh. Like, they'll say it was because of your recent posts but the timing is funny.
Anyway there's a general lack of paranoia about me which is... not unwelcome, exactly, but it makes *me* a bit paranoid and your early town read sticks out.
You haven't seen my QT, where I can't stop talking about how creepy you are.
@Axelrod: Mindreaver did nothing of note before dropping that gif in a middle of a lot of people trying to figure stuff out. It seemed completely out of place and a way to garner the same positive reactions that gemma's gif posting did.
The vote was naked because the post was just a gif.
Mindreaver has continued to coast and came back to vote me for a very shallow reason that felt more like trying to find a reason to vote me and not in the naturally townie way of thinking someone is scum.
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@Axelrod: Mindreaver did nothing of note before dropping that gif in a middle of a lot of people trying to figure stuff out. It seemed completely out of place and a way to garner the same positive reactions that gemma's gif posting did.
The vote was naked because the post was just a gif.
Are people Town-reading Gemma because of the gifs? I am not town-reading Gemma because of the gifs.
Seemed like it was still pretty early. He was also actually answering a question someone asked (or, more accurately, correcting someone else's answer). You might argue that this was a pointless thing to do and didn't advance the game at all. But, really? Especially that early?
Mindreaver has continued to coast and came back to vote me for a very shallow reason that felt more like trying to find a reason to vote me and not in the naturally townie way of thinking someone is scum.
Hm. I will give you that Mindreaver could be said to be coasting at this moment. But he "has continued to coast" would not really have been applicable at the time you made your post. That's a little backwards justification.
Do you allow for any irony in the fact that you are attacking him for voting you for a shallow reason when you just said that all you had were "surface level" reads yourself when you voted for him - i.e. shallow reasons. And you didn't even explain your "surface level" reason at the time.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I have Gemma as a town lean, but no, not because of the gifs.
Though they are funny.
It's mostly because she's handling people weirdly if she's a wolf, like,
She's put a lot of energy into Nacho and if she's a wolf I guess maybe her plan is to take him to endgame with her, but we've mindmelded a couple of times it felt like (fulcrum and Vaimes reads) and, I dunno. Just doesn't seem wolfy. Do you think she is?
Gemma....Just doesn't seem wolfy. Do you think she is?
Not especially.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
@Silver
again I will say it, Why do you feel so "friendly" this game?
@Vaimes
you also haven't top posted yet? what's the problem?
(but Kyle, you already yelled at me for posting a lot)
ok, and me telling you what to do hasn't stopped you in the past
I'm not under pressure, haven't seen much to latch onto yet, and have actively been trying to be less invested in games though that only really happens when I get pushed
Trying to think if I have a similar low pressure game you could read. Maybe the invitational witch hunt dual role game I played with Fonti/Fulcrum on MU? I might've been in a similar mode in Trigger Happy Havoc here, too, but my memory of both those games is a little fuzzy.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
So, from what we know of Sloth, is his inactivity town or scum indicative? He's been pretty active before as scum, but I could see him being pretty disheartened this game by another scum roll.
So, from what we know of Sloth, is his inactivity town or scum indicative? He's been pretty active before as scum, but I could see him being pretty disheartened this game by another scum roll.
I mean idk? Like sure lurkers tend to have scum more of the time, but it's also not that far into a 3 week day phase
@Axelrod: Mindreaver did nothing of note before dropping that gif in a middle of a lot of people trying to figure stuff out. It seemed completely out of place and a way to garner the same positive reactions that gemma's gif posting did.
I re-read specifically looking for "positive reactions to Gemma's gif posting."
There were none (by which I mean, no one said anything about the gif posting itself or mentioned it as a basis for feeling good about Gemma).
Except for Vez himself.
I find this troublesome.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
@Axelrod: Mindreaver did nothing of note before dropping that gif in a middle of a lot of people trying to figure stuff out. It seemed completely out of place and a way to garner the same positive reactions that gemma's gif posting did.
I re-read specifically looking for "positive reactions to Gemma's gif posting."
There were none (by which I mean, no one said anything about the gif posting itself or mentioned it as a basis for feeling good about Gemma).
Well, in the first instance, it suggests he's making up his reasons for voting for Mindreaver.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
@kj: Not whole lot, as it's too early, but I feel that when I'm scum, I try to positiin myself in relation to other wagons and when I'm toen I just go with my reads.
First thing's first, I'm the realest
Drop this and let the whole world feel it
Silver: the other guy that wants to be the big dick :). You I was leaning town on until you went and voted rhand, now I'm just nullish on you. What was up with that? Your reasoning, iirc, was that he just feels off? Suspect my friend, especially because:
Rhand: we mindmelded quite a bit on vez's entrance. I like that he stood up for Nacho, because the push there was justified but misguided. So solid townread at the moment, which is frickin bizzare because we're usually trying to kill each other.
This is like, phrased as a question but it reads like a statement so I'm not sure if you don't understand what I said about Rhand or not~ really the whole thing reads kind of weirdly to me.
Think it's the part where you townread Rhand for defending Nacho because you thought Nacho's push was "justified but misguided" and I'm having trouble squaring that perception of Nacho's push and these two reads. Could you rephrase?
I think you should start spelling her name with one "l". Fu-l-crum. Fulcrum.
I thought she was being a tiny bit two-faced, first in her interaction with Nacho by eating away at his Silver townread, then in her assessment of Nacho as "having reads in his mind already", which I think is a believable reaction to some of his earliest posts but not so much to his later posts, which I think should have changed her take on him. What are your thoughts?
That's roughly what *I* was going to say, it felt like fulcrum was leading Nacho into a wolf read on me... but I'm not actually as sure now, seems like she's actually suspicious of Nacho and trying to get into his head maybe? Dk feels okay in the fulcrum back-and-forth. Both of them do, really, but I'm not sure how to sort fulcrum yet.
Last is focusing on stuff Vaimes does in a very like, meta sense and not even trying to apply it to what Vaimes is doing this game it feels like. A lot of talking about what Vaimes always does but no like... substance. This isn't a wolf read, exactly, I don't know what it is really.
Nacho's big posts feel okay too, I'll try to circle back to them when I have time to.
@tom: I think we ~mostly agree on reads. Could you check my readslist in #350 and give me a rap about where we disagree? Doesn't need to be individual reads for players (you have a bunch of those) just kind of how you're feeling about the game right now.
They creepin in the shadows, the nightshade
You want the tail in the back or a light fade?
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Theyll kill ya smoke a blunt and forget where they put ya
So I don't think that I have a great handle on Vaimes-specific tells, and I don't think that I have any special insight on him that anyone else would have - what I know about his scum game is that he very strongly dislikes playing scum and that means that his scum range is smaller than normal and that means that he's very likely to fall off later in the game if he's scum. I've found that I can very often underestimate people who approach the game like this which means that they slip through my radar, so Gemma's endorsement of the slot means quite a bit to me.
The piece of Vaimes that strikes me as the towniest is that part that I've complained about the most - namely, his push on me. My impression of his play as scum (again, keep in mind that I can't recall seeing him as scum recently and that this is a hazy memory and is mostly assumptions based on the "dislikes playing scum bit") is that he makes moves in order to stay alive as opposed to making moves to generate towncred, and attacking me to the level that he did is an odd choice for Vaimes as scum simply because it can backfire and I don't think that Vaimes as scum is confident enough to survive me attacking him. I would not feel so strongly about this if Vaimes didn't sell the "I am convinced I found the scumteam" as hard as he did - it's one thing to point out some logical inconsistencies, but it's another to put your conviction on the line in the way he did.
So, if I'm wrong on Vaimes, it's because I'm underestimating him/because I'm egotistical and think that he thinks more highly of me than he does. I still expect to see him flesh out multiple pushes on multiple people today and I expect to see him land somewhere with that nice juicy Vaimes conviction, but it would take a strange series of events to make me consider voting here.
So, from what we know of Sloth, is his inactivity town or scum indicative? He's been pretty active before as scum, but I could see him being pretty disheartened this game by another scum roll.
sloth tried to play nice, fonti just took advantage
Left his fridge open, somebody just took a sandwich
stop I aint even that townie...
somebody scum read me again
I always knew that we'd be by each other's side forever
Now our time has come
And I'd be satisfied if we died together
Yeah, our climate's ****ed
We might as well enjoy the weather
Our time is up and I'd be satisfied
If we died together
Ok, so I guess this is your explanation for why you were satisfied with KCC's response. I am having trouble parsing this. You thought:
(1) KCC might be a new player, and by pressing her you might get her to claim, and thus confirm her as Town? Because
(2) You couldn't think of a (good) Town role that sounds scummy? So the risk of outing said role was outweighed by the benefit of getting a strong town read? And,
(3) You also hoped she would be around to answer your pressing her in real time, to get some more instant reactions, I guess? But
(4) That didn't happen, so when she finally did respond with "I know what I'm doing, leave me alone" you were satisfied.
Is that correct?
I got the impression that KCC is a newer player. I don't feel it's likely at all that her scumbuddies coached her to say "hi, my role is scummy and I'd lynch it if someone claimed it!". If I got her to claim early and she claimed early on something that makes sense (rolecop has been brought up and works as an example), that would go a very long way in me trusting her being town.
I can't think of any town roles that are actually scummy because my thoughts on what a scummy role are differ very strongly than MTGS's thoughts on what scummy roles are. I think the chance of her being something that really doesn't need to out at this point are low and I think that she wouldn't go "my role is scummy!" if she was that afraid unless she was lying and instead trying to reduce chances of getting shot early.
When I didn't get the chance to engage her in the early game (or in real time at all), I gave up - it was a line of pursuit I was interested in if I could catch some real-time thought processes (less likely she's being coached) or if I could get a significant response early in the game before scum had the chance to coach her up into a better response, but that window passed and so I was satisfied with her claiming that she wasn't anything actively harmful.
So, this is a bit of a Red Flag for me. The "Tom is Tom" remark.
Your explanation for this being a red flag is that it's a lazy "read" on tom - but I've already given a townread on Tom and explained why I thought so, so I don't really buy that.
You don't buy that I think that, or you don't buy it specifically as it refers to you because you gave a read in some other post I don't remember?
My point in saying that "Tom is Tom" is that "Tom has played for a while and this is well-established that this is something he does" so I don't really understand how you ended up where you did.
Where do you think I ended up, Nacho? I am curious to hear.
I would still like for you to provide wider brush strokes than what you have so far; you're currently pushing things that don't have much to do with the gamestate at all;
I'm "pushing" what I feel like and what interests me in the moment. I am also skimming a lot. Generally speaking, I will go back when there's more posts and review specific people.
are you telling me that you don't have a single townread at this stage?
Am I telling you that? I don't think I am. I don't think I even said anything like that.
Although, I will tell you (since you're asking so nicely) that I don't have any especially strong Town reads. Or scum reads. Nor do I expect to have them. Nor does that bother me at all at this stage. Nor should it bother anyone else (but that's just me talking there).
You don't buy that I think that, or you don't buy it specifically as it refers to you because you gave a read in some other post I don't remember?
I don't buy that I said that "Tom is Tom and you won't change him" and you interpreted that as "Nacho is refusing to give a read on Tom" as you said you did in your response to Rhand.
Ok, pet peeve incoming. I really try to be accurate when I'm saying something and I try to avoid hyperbole (I'm sure some slips in now and again). But I did not say at any point "Nacho is refusing to give a read on Tom". I said that - for me - seeing someone go "Tom is Tom" (or really, "anyone" is "anyone") as a read on someone is a Red Flag. Rhand said "Why" and I gave the answer I gave, which was not actually specific to you, nor was I even thinking at the time who had said it when I was replying to Rhand.
I even allowed that it's not just scum who say it. And in as much as you have already given a read on Tom (which, reminder, I do not remember if you have or what it is) that part of it wouldn't exactly apply anyway, would it? It would be different if I was mischaracterizing you, but I'm not, you're mis-characterizing me - twice.
I still think it's a kind of lazy shorthand which is not very helpful and which scum like to use.
Although, I will tell you (since you're asking so nicely) that I don't have any especially strong Town reads. Or scum reads. Nor do I expect to have them. Nor does that bother me at all at this stage. Nor should it bother anyone else (but that's just me talking there).
You are bothered by KCC because her claim was bad and she's not a bad player (although you don't seem to think that her claim is scummy) and because you don't really understand why she claimed because she would have done it differently. I agree, but someone making a bad move =/= scum and you're beating a dead horse; what are you expecting to get out of your questioning here? You're not pushing for her to claim, so - what are you pushing for her for?
I'm not beating the horse at all. More hyperbole?
Here's a tiny insight: I want her to speak more. Period.
You also vaguely pointed out that Tom's rapping was scummish but it's also just bad because it doesn't benefit town whatsoever, but 305 seems to imply you think it's just dumb and not scum.
It is dumb. It might be from scum. "Scummish" is about as precise as I can get there.
I'm not asking for super fleshed out reads but I really don't think it's unreasonable to ask for more at this stage, or to try to derail you from current KCC thoughts when I don't feel you're getting anything new out of it; I get it, you have your playstyle, but you clearly have thoughts elsewhere and those thoughts would be much more helpful in reading you than the current lines you're pushing - why not share?
Well, believe it or not, I've not formed much in the way of opinions, and I don't think me giving a bunch of off the cuff gut reads would be helpful at all. I don't know what "stage" you consider this, but for me, this is the "nobody knows anything" stage, and it's another pet peeve of mine when people post about others with way more certainty than they ought to be having.
Basically he's got this like... he's kind of plodding through the game with his own thoughts/reasons for his reads that feel genuine and is pushing on stuff that sticks out to him.
I understand why nachos getting votes here, but I think this is more likely cautious town rather than role fishing
explain how these would look diso different so that you could tell which is which.
I think we mindmelded a bit on Asta and these questions seem to be trying to get at the heart of things. I can kind of feel the gears turning in his mind when I read them, and I see exactly what he's getting at but it doesn't feel slimy or shady.
I don't ~think I have much to add to this. His #213 goes with these posts, though.
explain how these would look diso different so that you could tell which is which.
I feel like scum are a little more tactful and stealthy, rather than standing up and yelling for info
So your comment is for what scum in general would do, not Nacho-centric.
From a scum-standpoint, I completely disagree, and honestly, many scum play a brazen game. I certainly do when I role it, so I'm not sure what your basis was for this.
Add to that that your comments prior seemed to be specifically about Nacho, regardless of how you're painting them now...hm.
Possible early distancing...or waffling. Unsure as of yet.
(1) What about this is shading? The points, from a common sense standpoint, are objectively true and confirmable. Is there anything there you disagree with? If so, why?
(2) Vezok is actually not the first one to bring up those points. What makes him a shader and others not?
So, from what we know of Sloth, is his inactivity town or scum indicative? He's been pretty active before as scum, but I could see him being pretty disheartened this game by another scum roll.
sloth tried to play nice, fonti just took advantage
Left his fridge open, somebody just took a sandwich
@Silver I can kind of squint and sort of understand how you could have a townlean on Sloth from those posts, but I don't really understand how you're placing him that high / above Axelrod? Your read on Axel certainly seems to be more substantiated just from what you've quoted and talked about there. Is there some level of thought you think Sloth is representing that I'm not seeing, or?
@Sloth I took your Asta vote as a joke. Correct/incorrect?
Think I'm just more paranoid of wolf!Axel than wolf!Sloth?
I'm kind of sorting by gut at the moment and not really, like, considering how much evidence I have for which reads.
Think if I did that Nacho/Axel/maybe KJ would be light blue and not probably not Vaimes but I'm less paranoid of wolf!Vaimes than the other two, if that makes sense
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Then here you comment on Mindreaver's "OMGUS" and say it makes you more confident in your vote, again without saying what made you vote in the first place.
What made you vote in the first place?
Given you didn't explain why you voted, and you have said your reads don't have anything to justify them, how does it solidify your opinion on Mindreaver when he points that out? What makes that scummy for you?
I see there is a wagon on me that mostly looks like naked votes/sheeping... so not sure how much I can dissect from that. I think the reactions of people who didn't vote might be a better source of analysis. I'll try to take a closer look later today when I get a chance and catch up on the posts I've missed.
It seem to me that your level of participation in this game is quite low.
Agree/Disagree?
Normal/Not-normal?
@Rhand: Nothing to do with your meta, I don't think, it's like... I wolf read tom hard for what seemed like a bad wolf read on me in Eurovision so it seems more natural for wolves who were also in that game to see that and fake a town read instead of "poking the bear", as it were.
Unless you meant you don't wall as a wolf which would be... eh? Maybe? I think you posted a readslist like your early one here in Eurovision though... not going to verify that on mobile but I'll probably check later when I get to a PC.
Anyway there's a general lack of paranoia about me which is... not unwelcome, exactly, but it makes *me* a bit paranoid and your early town read sticks out.
It is kind of odd that I expressed interest in switching wagons and some people voted you, though, heh. Like, they'll say it was because of your recent posts but the timing is funny.
"Stiff," "manufactured," "fake," "posting through a filter" I've heard though.
One time Kpaca called me "fake news" until I wanted reach through the internet and slap him, that was. Fun?
The vote was naked because the post was just a gif.
Mindreaver has continued to coast and came back to vote me for a very shallow reason that felt more like trying to find a reason to vote me and not in the naturally townie way of thinking someone is scum.
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Seemed like it was still pretty early. He was also actually answering a question someone asked (or, more accurately, correcting someone else's answer). You might argue that this was a pointless thing to do and didn't advance the game at all. But, really? Especially that early?
Hm. I will give you that Mindreaver could be said to be coasting at this moment. But he "has continued to coast" would not really have been applicable at the time you made your post. That's a little backwards justification.
Do you allow for any irony in the fact that you are attacking him for voting you for a shallow reason when you just said that all you had were "surface level" reads yourself when you voted for him - i.e. shallow reasons. And you didn't even explain your "surface level" reason at the time.
Though they are funny.
It's mostly because she's handling people weirdly if she's a wolf, like,
She's put a lot of energy into Nacho and if she's a wolf I guess maybe her plan is to take him to endgame with her, but we've mindmelded a couple of times it felt like (fulcrum and Vaimes reads) and, I dunno. Just doesn't seem wolfy. Do you think she is?
@Silver
again I will say it, Why do you feel so "friendly" this game?
@Vaimes
you also haven't top posted yet? what's the problem?
(but Kyle, you already yelled at me for posting a lot)
ok, and me telling you what to do hasn't stopped you in the past
do I sound annoyed? that's because I am
Trying to think if I have a similar low pressure game you could read. Maybe the invitational witch hunt dual role game I played with Fonti/Fulcrum on MU? I might've been in a similar mode in Trigger Happy Havoc here, too, but my memory of both those games is a little fuzzy.
Vote Rhand
With 17 Alive it takes 9 to Lynch
Slothful has been prodded.
Read him by his posts first, activity second
I'm not unvoting. Wink.
There were none (by which I mean, no one said anything about the gif posting itself or mentioned it as a basis for feeling good about Gemma).
Except for Vez himself.
I find this troublesome.
Drop this and let the whole world feel it
You want the tail in the back or a light fade?
Cause Tony Scissorhands is the barber, the butcher
Theyll kill ya smoke a blunt and forget where they put ya
Left his fridge open, somebody just took a sandwich
Gemma/silver/axel
Sloth/kcc/kj/rhand
dkings/vaimes/shadow/asta
Mind/vezok
fulcrum
somebody scum read me again
Now our time has come
And I'd be satisfied if we died together
Yeah, our climate's ****ed
We might as well enjoy the weather
Our time is up and I'd be satisfied
If we died together
I don't ~think I have much to add to this. His #213 goes with these posts, though.
Dude, I need you to stop.
All ya hear is the blap from the gun blast
And this witch coven don't run for *****
Cuz these wolfy SOBs can't run fast
He's saying they're in the lurkers.
yeet
Thank you.
@Sloth I took your Asta vote as a joke. Correct/incorrect?
I'm kind of sorting by gut at the moment and not really, like, considering how much evidence I have for which reads.
Think if I did that Nacho/Axel/maybe KJ would be light blue and not probably not Vaimes but I'm less paranoid of wolf!Vaimes than the other two, if that makes sense