I don't know whether no lynching was the right decision. I thought it was a good choice because... I never really got the dk case and though I had doubts, I thought he was maybe likelier town after his claim in conjunction with Asta's claim, and I don't think we had the votes to kill him, I was unsure about KCC but at the very end I was thinking she was town, and we weren't messing up the parity or anything because Gemma had gotten shot.
If we lynched, dk's role, which I thought was a decent protective, wasn't gonna come up for another 4 days or whenever summer is back, and also if KCC is town, the bus drive was pretty good to protect Axel, who I also was thinking was town, while he was able to watch whereas in spring his ability was less useful and he'd probably be a target because of his summer full watch. But that's all mechanical and I guess I see tom's point that probably town has power in all seasons, given the setup premise. So like, would it have been better to flip KCC even if she was town, just to get the information, and get whatever was coming to us in spring? Maybe, if now her alignment is a question mark or hanging over people, but I don't really think that no lynching was like... irrevocably bad and horrible given the information that we had.
I also get that maybe I'm focusing too much on mechanics, and I think I have too many townreads/leans because of it.
And like I still don't really know where I am on KCC now, this game has been on a way back burner recently. I know who dies today is literally out of my hands but still.
like in a world where Vezok is a wolf, his partner is ******* outted
He honestly should've claimed when Vezok claimed
Ehh? I'm not considering a world where Vezok is a wolf for like... a while.
I don't really think it's good for her partner to claim now, I think it holds more value later. If they think it's the right time can't stop them I guess.
Man I think the funniest thing I've ever done in a mafia game was when I had I think a variant on what Wisp's claiming, and by sheer luck outed the wolf who killed me.
Actually my first choice was tranquility, and it's possible it prevented deaths last night? It's hard to say though
mmm, speculating on this is probably kind of useless but I feel like it was probably prevented another way. (or holstered but idg why they would do that.) The thread title overnight was just "Summer Heat" so no dreams of anything. And if it was stopping deaths, Gemma still died. Unless that kill was also a strongman, but that seems like overkill.
And also I think the emergence of the no Lynch wagon EOD probably means dk/KCC aren't both town. If both wagon choices were good for scum, why Elect for a third, mediocre option?
I mean I disagree because NL extends the lifespan of the wagons i.e. if they're v/v wolves can avoid culpability for being on town. But given this idea, which one do you think is mafia? You've put this thought out there without really discussing where it leads you?
Late yesterDay you said you thought KCC was likelier mafia because of her reaction to Nacho's claim but it was weak. Do you still think that? What do you make of Nacho's argument about her being town?
So like, would it have been better to flip KCC even if she was town, just to get the information, and get whatever was coming to us in spring? Maybe, if now her alignment is a question mark or hanging over people
is it hanging over you?
Im unclear if the choice you made at eod was "i want to no lynch d1" or "i don't want to lynch kcc this game"
I also get that maybe I'm focusing too much on mechanics, and I think I have too many townreads/leans because of it.
^^^ I feel you there, I think they are weighing on our reads too much
hmm i guess u have a good point, if my ability did really do that, it probably would've saved Gemma as well
i mean
Unless it triggers or changes phase at night
Or... sure yeah the daykill being a complete annhilation that even killed her role flavorwise fits with a strongman
Ftr if something called "tranquility" stopped a kill i wouldnt be surprised if the death is only stopped temporarily.
Maybe scum no killed because summer is best for them
Maybe the summer action plan scared them and they just decided if we werent gonna try to kill them why should they venture away from their homes.
Maybe the summer daykill replaced the nightkill and they couldnt? Thats about the only way no lynching yesterday was actually a good thing
What im saying is we dont know nothing bout nothing.
The peak for the votes was No Lynch(5) -Vaimes, Silvercrys, KittyCupCake, Lastwhisper, Axelrod
in the votecount, Keldeo was also for it. Keldeo was for it early, but I don't think ever voted.
I just noticed that all but Last is in the bottom half of my reads.
Noteably, Axel was the big wagon when the No lynch wagon happened. Hm. MAybe I need to rethink this since it didn't happen in response to dk/kcc.
Axel: I might be wrong about Mind being town for that reason, actually. I was thinking about that more, and if the push on Mind was primarily town (tom was I think the strongest/most aggressive) with scum following behind, then the wagon can make sense on scum!Mind. I assumed it was scum that kept moving back to Mind just because of wagon movements, but that's not as superlikely as I had initally thought.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
So like, would it have been better to flip KCC even if she was town, just to get the information, and get whatever was coming to us in spring? Maybe, if now her alignment is a question mark or hanging over people
is it hanging over you?
Im unclear if the choice you made at eod was "i want to no lynch d1" or "i don't want to lynch kcc this game"
I mean, I guess so in that I want to know what her alignment is, I'm worried in the back of my head that I let one get away, but I don't really think she's my biggest target (idk who my biggest target is, but without having looked back yet, still kind of feel like her reaction was towny) and a lot of people don't really... seem super eager for it? I don't know if it's the King mechanic, but there's not a majority of people hard pushing for her to be resolved or anything.
So answer to the second question is more the latter, but the former's kind of part and parcel of it when the top wagons at EOD were d "town I guess" kingsland and KCC.
Someone besides nacho tell me why that was a good idea. Why you, in particular, didnt think we should play ******* mafia.
Particularly @vaimes @silver @fonti @keldeo
Well, I was at work and didn't get the chance to move my vote. Also I didn't think in a million years that a speciality game would have no deaths Night 1.
no, you actually voted no lynch. Thats not <not moving your vote>
Why did you think it was a good idea?
A lot happened in the last half hour of EoD.
Vaimes, I don't think I'm understanding this exchange. After this you said you originally voted NL because you wanted to NL, but you also said you weren't there to move your vote away from NL. So if you had been there, who would you have voted and why? If you would have voted just to lynch, what changed your mind between when you voted and the EOD?
As for your question, I suspect Rhand is town, so you might be correct. Insofar as the opinion in regards to you, it's not unreasonable based on his interactions with me I suppose. If you mentioned it in your raps IDK.
What changed your mind on Rhand? You didn't mention him a lot later on.
I’m the vendor, and Axel is right, I thought I could receive passive abilities and that there was a chance vezok could give me something like a one-shot Masonizer. Seems silly in retrospect, but I really wanted to do the bare minimum to townfirm myself.
I softer/crumbed the role a few times. The items are real, and there are mechanical reasons for me not to elaborate on them, but believe me when I say I was tempted to play the game as if I were VT. The BP isn’t that bad, and the track very specifically would be perfect for vezok.
I’m claiming because my role is already out there and it’s not spectacular.
tom, I don’t think I’ll offer an explanation that will satisfy you. When I was here, I thought No Lynch was the way to go, and then I had to leave the game thread. I hate No Lunch as scum, and would only have voted there if literally all of the viable wagons were on my partners. The end.
Kind of side-eyeing this claim. I remember the "would want to play like I'm VT" thing and vezok confirmed the vending, so I don't think it's fake, just. Hmmmm.
Also fwiw don't think Wisp's claim is fake either, the "dreams of" thing seems too esoteric and falsifiable given how they've matched the thread titles. Don't think the claim existing moves the needle for me but I was already thinking him v.
The whole concept of an intentional no lynch yesterday with the explanations given has got me respecting whichever of yall are town less as mafia players. I want everyone that thought it was a good idea, to be scum. I know thats not true but
Like
How am i gonna think its 0?
This part is maybe a cautionless read, but I feel like he might temper this sentiment he expresses here as mafia, like, if he knows there are town who helped that NL it's almost too much. It makes a lot of sense as a throughline from what he was expressing at EOD yesterday.
+ his meandering probing in/around things, like when he was talking to KJ about the Rhand aligned read and then dumped not w/w reads
+ his rambling about setup spec on page 47, which is something I probably shouldn't townread but want to
I feel like I'm not expressing the read on that post he made to Vaimes well. I don't want to disparage his range as mafia but it's just, like... unnecessarily salt-in-wound if he is? It feels genuine and not put-upon might be another way to say it.
The peak for the votes was No Lynch(5) -Vaimes, Silvercrys, KittyCupCake, Lastwhisper, Axelrod
in the votecount, Keldeo was also for it. Keldeo was for it early, but I don't think ever voted.
I just noticed that all but Last is in the bottom half of my reads.
Noteably, Axel was the big wagon when the No lynch wagon happened. Hm. MAybe I need to rethink this since it didn't happen in response to dk/kcc.
Axel: I might be wrong about Mind being town for that reason, actually. I was thinking about that more, and if the push on Mind was primarily town (tom was I think the strongest/most aggressive) with scum following behind, then the wagon can make sense on scum!Mind. I assumed it was scum that kept moving back to Mind just because of wagon movements, but that's not as superlikely as I had initally thought.
technically, dkings was the top wagon when the no lynch voted.
But it was 7-6 wagons and had been 7-6 the other way the page before
And yeah i never understood your thoughts on the mind wagon it was a bunch of people i think are towny and dissipated because he wasnt there followed by replacement and that
Yeah obviously no reason that cant be a scum wagon...
Axel's look at KJ in 2336 felt measured and fluid in a good way - particularly, his pulling out KJ's read onto my slot to disagree with it without overtly criticizing KJ for it felt good in the sense that it's kind of unpurposeful (at least wrt KJ, I know it's shading my slot but still.)
Also I know it's not unfakeable but I enjoyed Axel's 2298.
Axel, talk to me about how you're feeling on LastWhisper? You seemed to not come to a strong conclusion based on your digging into his vote on you, is that it in the end?
So like, would it have been better to flip KCC even if she was town, just to get the information, and get whatever was coming to us in spring? Maybe, if now her alignment is a question mark or hanging over people
is it hanging over you?
Im unclear if the choice you made at eod was "i want to no lynch d1" or "i don't want to lynch kcc this game"
I mean, I guess so in that I want to know what her alignment is, I'm worried in the back of my head that I let one get away, but I don't really think she's my biggest target (idk who my biggest target is, but without having looked back yet, still kind of feel like her reaction was towny) and a lot of people don't really... seem super eager for it? I don't know if it's the King mechanic, but there's not a majority of people hard pushing for her to be resolved or anything.
So answer to the second question is more the latter, but the former's kind of part and parcel of it when the top wagons at EOD were d "town I guess" kingsland and KCC.
then yes if youre town you should feel terrible about your decisions
Which
I see your townread of me below the words your looking for are "if scumtom was attacking the townies that did this <clearly dumb thing> hed try to be less of a sore winner about it" and that might be true tbh scumtom might have just a bit more chill
Okay. I don't disagree that I didn't play well at EOD. I don't really get how you can be so confident as to say it was always idiotic and dumb and etc but I'll be the first to eat crow if KCC is mafia, I don't think that's a productive conversation to have, and I can't change it now so I'm just gonna keep going.
Nacho, iirc you said you thought KCC's busdriving was only during the summer, but once you realized she got it once it became summer and could use them anytime even if we lynched, did that change your thoughts on the mechanical benefit from not lynching? It didn't seem to to me.
Never mind, dk. Only relevant if people really want to push a KCC/Vaimes world.
I wanna hear more about this actually. Could you point out these interactions where you were crumbing you'd target her? What changed your mind overnight since she claimed after vezok?
I need to sleep, I have a chunk of time to be here tomorrow though.
Wisp, if you’re feeling stuck on sorting out mechanics/not, I think you should do a trustfall (write out your strongest reasons to TR each player if you have any). I kind of want to do one too.
Okay. I don't disagree that I didn't play well at EOD. I don't really get how you can be so confident as to say it was always idiotic and dumb and etc but I'll be the first to eat crow if KCC is mafia, I don't think that's a productive conversation to have, and I can't change it now so I'm just gonna keep going.
if shes mafia, yeah obviously thats bad
Its the if shes town world im worried about because then shes floating in the poe and has all this wagon info we cant really interpret yet and might get lynched later and
Anyway. Yes no lynching is bad. You made a post before making your choice that you knew this. And you made it anyway.
Dont think anyone in the thread should forget that.
Lets move on though you think you/axel/kcc/dkings are all town? That would mean no scum got more than 4 votes day 1
Nacho, iirc you said you thought KCC's busdriving was only during the summer, but once you realized she got it once it became summer and could use them anytime even if we lynched, did that change your thoughts on the mechanical benefit from not lynching? It didn't seem to to me.
It says I get things in exchange for abilities. That's it. I didn't even realise the vendor is a real person. I thought it was more like a game item. I had absolutely no idea that the ability I exchanged went to the vendor. But DV writes pretty light PMs. In arkham I had no idea what one of my ability did.
So yeah, I'm sure it's enough to figure that the ability goes to someone else, but I never figured that.
Anyway my shortlist of people I want semi-dead is: Vaimes, KCC, Rhand, Keldeo, Axelrod, fulcrum and maybe nacho.
I'm open to other suggestions, but I'd prefer killing in this pile.
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I change my mind easily re: votes if I have no strong scumreads. If thread flow wanted to lunch someone and I was here to change my vote, I would have. It seems like some think I was dead-ser on a No Lunch and wouldn’t have budged, I don’t know where that assumption is coming from.
Uhhh the KCC interaction I can’t point out right now because I’m on mobile, she can pull it up or you can search my ISO if you look up “shade” in the search field, I think. Basically she thought I was shading her when really I was trying to soft my role.
I’m not horribly opposed to dying toDay tbh. Call me bad for it, but it beats being a limp noodle and eventually replacing out.
And something about KCC's consternation over the vendor not targeting her rings hollow, and she took the time to point out that Vaimes targeting her would have been a good play for scum.
You don't understand why I'm annoyed that I didn't get to exchange some of my garbage for a track?
No Lynch(5) -Vaimes, Silvercrys, KittyCupCake, Lastwhisper, Axelrod
And you're speculating that the wolves are split between these two wagons, essentially? They'd have to all be voting either dkings or Axel here, right, unless Proph is a wolf, but even then the others are.
But wolves on dkings are like... Vaimes = Last > Nacho > KCC or something?
And on Axel it's like, Rhand = Keldeo > fulcrum?
I need a PC to do votals, not trying to do spreadsheets on mobile lmao
I choose my target anytime before Night ends, and in the case of a trade I’m assuming I wouldn’t get the ability until the end of the following Day. I kinda got locked into acquiring a Mason ability.
I choose my target anytime before Night ends, and in the case of a trade I’m assuming I wouldn’t get the ability until the end of the following Day. I kinda got locked into acquiring a Mason ability.
Also I was 0% interested in weird roleblocks.
Then, I still don't understand why my possible lynch played into your choice at all, considering I wasn't.
Though, I do understand you not wanting my Winter "delay", which is what you would have gotten
Though, I do understand you not wanting my Winter "delay", which is what you would have gotten
This isn't AI though. Actually, if you're scum, you being interested in helping me out with my scummy role claim, then deciding not to when you learned that one of my abilities is complete garbage, makes a lot of sense.
On the one hand trying to get a masonizer and clear himself is very on brand
On the other I'm not super sure he wasn't trying to shut the Mason chat down and when it didn't work he tried to buy towncred by claiming, and if he actually thinks his role is bad he should've been fine getting bad abilities in exchange for making town reads bulletproof?
I dunno he's talked about it a bunch I'm just not quite getting there I guess
I don't understand the belief that you could become a Mason at all with that ability. Pretty sure that would never even have occurred to me as a thing that was possible.
There's a narrative here with Vaimes as scum and Vez Town that is not too hard to imagine. And it's one where scum-Vaimes is trying to get cred by offering something potentially sweet to the "confirmed" Townie. Of course, he doesn't get the cred unless people know about it, so he has to prematurely claim to have done it in the thread.
The Town-Vaimes narrative is a little harder to track, as I say - given what you claim you were attempting - just because I don't understand the thinking that you might get to have (or share in?) Vez's Mason-ness. How would that even work anyway? You become Mason's with the other person and Vez no longer is? Meaning that Vez could no longer communicate with them, and instead now it's you? Were you thinking that the other person would then be told you were confirmed Town as well?
Seems like the kind of thing I would have asked the Mod. for clarifications on before just doing it.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I am so confused. How is me trying to be a Mason any more ridiculous than people suggesting scum have the ability to shut down or look into a Mason chat? That is ridiculous, and seems like something that would only exist in a bastard game.
Real talk, if you need a lunch, my role is super shruggy. Was planning as playing as vanilla if a redacted thing didn’t work out.
What does this mean?
Is the [redacted] thing your secret plan to become a Mason? Why would you classify this role as shruggy anyway? You have at least two real things to trade (track + vest). And if someone takes you up on it, you could get literally any number of abilities in return. Even if that was all you had, that's not "super shruggy" to me.
The attitude here is weird.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Like it sounds like something Rhand completely made up.
KCC, I wanted to know your role. But your claim turned me off, so I switched to vezok and left it there. I considered other people but didn’t choose anyone else.
I didn’t ask DV for details because I assumed I’d get some vague “sorry can’t answer that” response.
I didn’t do this for cred, because I didn’t expect vezok to infodump. I claimed in case people wanted to direct the abilities, since everything was made public.
I am so confused. How is me trying to be a Mason any more ridiculous than people suggesting scum have the ability to shut down or look into a Mason chat? That is ridiculous, and seems like something that would only exist in a bastard game.
I mean, if Vezok had been able to trade his mason ability for a vest he wouldn't be a mason any more, right? At least presumably
I don't know where people are getting the other stuff from but that makes sense to me
There are aspects of my role that suck and I can’t talk about them, or I become VT. Which isn’t that awful, but I should at least give away some abilities before then. It wouldn’t have been sucky for vezok, which is another reason I picked her.
I am so confused. How is me trying to be a Mason any more ridiculous than people suggesting scum have the ability to shut down or look into a Mason chat? That is ridiculous, and seems like something that would only exist in a bastard game.
I mean, if Vezok had been able to trade his mason ability for a vest he wouldn't be a mason any more, right? At least presumably
I don't know where people are getting the other stuff from but that makes sense to me
If the ability is multi shot or passive, I don’t think I like. Vanillize the person. That never occurred to me.
My thinking was “it’s passive, so she can’t lose it.”
And in the wild world where she somehow got demasonized, her partner still confirms her. They lose the chat, which sucks.
But none of this matters because I don’t believe this has ever happened in any actual mafia game.
I mean, I'd almost guarantee there's been a Faustian Bargainer of some kind that vanillaizes the target and gives either stuff that doesn't work or stuff that looks attractive but is bad in the set up (and if there hasn't been yet, there's going to be lmao)
But yeah it pretty clearly didn't happen this game because Vezok wasn't even allowed to take the deal you made her
So, say I believe you that you didn't think "exchange" would remove passive abilities. Who do you want Vezok to execute?
Vaimes you're kinda at the top of my list for shooting. Can you give real thoughts on players instead of talking about your role for tons of posts in a row?
I also think everyone should drop the subject. Vaimes making terrible decisions with his abilities is right on par for Vaimes. In a bubble, Vaimes use of the ability is marginally +town, but there are reasons to do what he did as scum.
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If we lynched, dk's role, which I thought was a decent protective, wasn't gonna come up for another 4 days or whenever summer is back, and also if KCC is town, the bus drive was pretty good to protect Axel, who I also was thinking was town, while he was able to watch whereas in spring his ability was less useful and he'd probably be a target because of his summer full watch. But that's all mechanical and I guess I see tom's point that probably town has power in all seasons, given the setup premise. So like, would it have been better to flip KCC even if she was town, just to get the information, and get whatever was coming to us in spring? Maybe, if now her alignment is a question mark or hanging over people, but I don't really think that no lynching was like... irrevocably bad and horrible given the information that we had.
I also get that maybe I'm focusing too much on mechanics, and I think I have too many townreads/leans because of it.
I don't really think it's good for her partner to claim now, I think it holds more value later. If they think it's the right time can't stop them I guess.
mmm, speculating on this is probably kind of useless but I feel like it was probably prevented another way. (or holstered but idg why they would do that.) The thread title overnight was just "Summer Heat" so no dreams of anything. And if it was stopping deaths, Gemma still died. Unless that kill was also a strongman, but that seems like overkill.
I mean I disagree because NL extends the lifespan of the wagons i.e. if they're v/v wolves can avoid culpability for being on town. But given this idea, which one do you think is mafia? You've put this thought out there without really discussing where it leads you?
Late yesterDay you said you thought KCC was likelier mafia because of her reaction to Nacho's claim but it was weak. Do you still think that? What do you make of Nacho's argument about her being town?
Im unclear if the choice you made at eod was "i want to no lynch d1" or "i don't want to lynch kcc this game"
^^^ I feel you there, I think they are weighing on our reads too much
Unless it triggers or changes phase at night
Or... sure yeah the daykill being a complete annhilation that even killed her role flavorwise fits with a strongman
Ftr if something called "tranquility" stopped a kill i wouldnt be surprised if the death is only stopped temporarily.
Maybe scum no killed because summer is best for them
Maybe the summer action plan scared them and they just decided if we werent gonna try to kill them why should they venture away from their homes.
Maybe the summer daykill replaced the nightkill and they couldnt? Thats about the only way no lynching yesterday was actually a good thing
What im saying is we dont know nothing bout nothing.
The peak for the votes was No Lynch(5) -Vaimes, Silvercrys, KittyCupCake, Lastwhisper, Axelrod
in the votecount, Keldeo was also for it. Keldeo was for it early, but I don't think ever voted.
I just noticed that all but Last is in the bottom half of my reads.
Noteably, Axel was the big wagon when the No lynch wagon happened. Hm. MAybe I need to rethink this since it didn't happen in response to dk/kcc.
Axel: I might be wrong about Mind being town for that reason, actually. I was thinking about that more, and if the push on Mind was primarily town (tom was I think the strongest/most aggressive) with scum following behind, then the wagon can make sense on scum!Mind. I assumed it was scum that kept moving back to Mind just because of wagon movements, but that's not as superlikely as I had initally thought.
So answer to the second question is more the latter, but the former's kind of part and parcel of it when the top wagons at EOD were d "town I guess" kingsland and KCC.
Sorry, what does this mean?
Also fwiw don't think Wisp's claim is fake either, the "dreams of" thing seems too esoteric and falsifiable given how they've matched the thread titles. Don't think the claim existing moves the needle for me but I was already thinking him v.
This part is maybe a cautionless read, but I feel like he might temper this sentiment he expresses here as mafia, like, if he knows there are town who helped that NL it's almost too much. It makes a lot of sense as a throughline from what he was expressing at EOD yesterday.
+ his meandering probing in/around things, like when he was talking to KJ about the Rhand aligned read and then dumped not w/w reads
+ his rambling about setup spec on page 47, which is something I probably shouldn't townread but want to
But it was 7-6 wagons and had been 7-6 the other way the page before
And yeah i never understood your thoughts on the mind wagon it was a bunch of people i think are towny and dissipated because he wasnt there followed by replacement and that
Yeah obviously no reason that cant be a scum wagon...
Also I know it's not unfakeable but I enjoyed Axel's 2298.
Axel, talk to me about how you're feeling on LastWhisper? You seemed to not come to a strong conclusion based on your digging into his vote on you, is that it in the end?
Which
I see your townread of me below the words your looking for are "if scumtom was attacking the townies that did this <clearly dumb thing> hed try to be less of a sore winner about it" and that might be true tbh scumtom might have just a bit more chill
I wanna hear more about this actually. Could you point out these interactions where you were crumbing you'd target her? What changed your mind overnight since she claimed after vezok?
Nacho did kinda indirectly
Nacho, talk to me about Vaimes today?
I need to sleep, I have a chunk of time to be here tomorrow though.
Wisp, if you’re feeling stuck on sorting out mechanics/not, I think you should do a trustfall (write out your strongest reasons to TR each player if you have any). I kind of want to do one too.
Its the if shes town world im worried about because then shes floating in the poe and has all this wagon info we cant really interpret yet and might get lynched later and
Anyway. Yes no lynching is bad. You made a post before making your choice that you knew this. And you made it anyway.
Dont think anyone in the thread should forget that.
Lets move on though you think you/axel/kcc/dkings are all town? That would mean no scum got more than 4 votes day 1
It says I get things in exchange for abilities. That's it. I didn't even realise the vendor is a real person. I thought it was more like a game item. I had absolutely no idea that the ability I exchanged went to the vendor. But DV writes pretty light PMs. In arkham I had no idea what one of my ability did.
So yeah, I'm sure it's enough to figure that the ability goes to someone else, but I never figured that.
Anyway my shortlist of people I want semi-dead is: Vaimes, KCC, Rhand, Keldeo, Axelrod, fulcrum and maybe nacho.
I'm open to other suggestions, but I'd prefer killing in this pile.
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Uhhh the KCC interaction I can’t point out right now because I’m on mobile, she can pull it up or you can search my ISO if you look up “shade” in the search field, I think. Basically she thought I was shading her when really I was trying to soft my role.
I’m not horribly opposed to dying toDay tbh. Call me bad for it, but it beats being a limp noodle and eventually replacing out.
You don't understand why I'm annoyed that I didn't get to exchange some of my garbage for a track?
But, I wasn't lynched. -Is this a Day ability?
Vaimes, I'm always on mobile
But wolves on dkings are like... Vaimes = Last > Nacho > KCC or something?
And on Axel it's like, Rhand = Keldeo > fulcrum?
I need a PC to do votals, not trying to do spreadsheets on mobile lmao
I choose my target anytime before Night ends, and in the case of a trade I’m assuming I wouldn’t get the ability until the end of the following Day. I kinda got locked into acquiring a Mason ability.
Also I was 0% interested in weird roleblocks.
Actually, start at when you decided to CC me, and go through that whole progression
Maybe if no one's done it by my lunch.
Then, I still don't understand why my possible lynch played into your choice at all, considering I wasn't.
Though, I do understand you not wanting my Winter "delay", which is what you would have gotten
This isn't AI though. Actually, if you're scum, you being interested in helping me out with my scummy role claim, then deciding not to when you learned that one of my abilities is complete garbage, makes a lot of sense.
On the one hand trying to get a masonizer and clear himself is very on brand
On the other I'm not super sure he wasn't trying to shut the Mason chat down and when it didn't work he tried to buy towncred by claiming, and if he actually thinks his role is bad he should've been fine getting bad abilities in exchange for making town reads bulletproof?
I dunno he's talked about it a bunch I'm just not quite getting there I guess
There's a narrative here with Vaimes as scum and Vez Town that is not too hard to imagine. And it's one where scum-Vaimes is trying to get cred by offering something potentially sweet to the "confirmed" Townie. Of course, he doesn't get the cred unless people know about it, so he has to prematurely claim to have done it in the thread.
The Town-Vaimes narrative is a little harder to track, as I say - given what you claim you were attempting - just because I don't understand the thinking that you might get to have (or share in?) Vez's Mason-ness. How would that even work anyway? You become Mason's with the other person and Vez no longer is? Meaning that Vez could no longer communicate with them, and instead now it's you? Were you thinking that the other person would then be told you were confirmed Town as well?
Seems like the kind of thing I would have asked the Mod. for clarifications on before just doing it.
Is the [redacted] thing your secret plan to become a Mason? Why would you classify this role as shruggy anyway? You have at least two real things to trade (track + vest). And if someone takes you up on it, you could get literally any number of abilities in return. Even if that was all you had, that's not "super shruggy" to me.
The attitude here is weird.
KCC, I wanted to know your role. But your claim turned me off, so I switched to vezok and left it there. I considered other people but didn’t choose anyone else.
I didn’t ask DV for details because I assumed I’d get some vague “sorry can’t answer that” response.
I didn’t do this for cred, because I didn’t expect vezok to infodump. I claimed in case people wanted to direct the abilities, since everything was made public.
I don't know where people are getting the other stuff from but that makes sense to me
Okay Vaimes.
Who do you want dead toDay besides yourself?
And in the wild world where she somehow got demasonized, her partner still confirms her. They lose the chat, which sucks.
But none of this matters because I don’t believe this has ever happened in any actual mafia game.
But yeah it pretty clearly didn't happen this game because Vezok wasn't even allowed to take the deal you made her
So, say I believe you that you didn't think "exchange" would remove passive abilities. Who do you want Vezok to execute?
I also think everyone should drop the subject. Vaimes making terrible decisions with his abilities is right on par for Vaimes. In a bubble, Vaimes use of the ability is marginally +town, but there are reasons to do what he did as scum.
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