I've been thinking, and I'm fine with a vezok king. The situations between dk/Asta and this are different. With dk, along him to commit a protect on vezok would have been bad because vezok is unproven and Asta is practically useful and his choices are public info, and therefore useful in determining alignment.
Whereas this is giving vezok a similar public choice, from which her alignment might be discerned. Therefore it doesn't matter if I believe the claim: an opportunity is created that might help me read her.
Elect Vezok
And also I think the emergence of the no Lynch wagon EOD probably means dk/KCC aren't both town. If both wagon choices were good for scum, why Elect for a third, mediocre option?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
You said it wasnt mechanically incorrect to no lynch, though not why
... because we get summer info that we can't get again until D5 and because Gemma was already dead so barring another extra kill we have a no lunch to spend anyway?
You said you thought kcc was town, but not why
I literally quoted all of Nacho's reasons again, I didn't really have anything to add to them.
The "summer actions" argument is still nonsense unless youre assuming we have more power in summer than other seasons which... not sure why you would assume that?
We had a full watcher protected by a busdriver and a bodyguard that (probably) needs a summer action to activate, seems like enough to me?
And also I think the emergence of the no Lynch wagon EOD probably means dk/KCC aren't both town. If both wagon choices were good for scum, why Elect for a third, mediocre option?
Maybe the wolves didn't elect for a third, mediocre option?
Tom keeps saying wolves wanted a no lunch at EOD but I have no idea why he thinks that. They need mislunches to get closer to their wincon. A no lunch is better than a wolf lunch for them, but it's not better than a town one.
Its the exact same situation as yesterday.
If it was right to no lynch then, its right to do it now.
I assume no one is going to suggest it because its completely idiotic
It's not at all the same situation as Yesterday. Yesterday, there was a consensus on the lynch... followed by a retracted CC, a season switch, a death, and like 5 claims, all within hours of deadline.
Now we have weeks ahead of us to actually pick through what happened.
elect vez -I just hope you don't use it the way I would
Also, I busdrove Axel and Nacho, so if you targeted either, that's what happened
Why do wolves want a no lynch? It's literally one of the better options, it gives us literally nothing to work with, and leaves the trains as wine, as well as it puts no wolves in danger
It's better than a town Lynch on day 1 imo, I got too distracted towards EoD after Nacho's ***** and all the mechanics, we should've lynched KCC if not just for the fact that her role is wolfy as *****
Someone besides nacho tell me why that was a good idea. Why you, in particular, didnt think we should play ******* mafia.
Particularly @vaimes @silver @fonti @keldeo
I voted, dude.
Here's a weird idea: how much do we want to hit town with the election vote? I think giving someone kind of towny, but not confirmed, the chance to confirm themselves by lynching scum, is useful.
Nacho, Tom, and Silver come to mind. Or me. Give it to me.
Someone besides nacho tell me why that was a good idea. Why you, in particular, didnt think we should play ******* mafia.
Particularly @vaimes @silver @fonti @keldeo
I voted, dude.
Here's a weird idea: how much do we want to hit town with the election vote? I think giving someone kind of towny, but not confirmed, the chance to confirm themselves by lynching scum, is useful.
Nacho, Tom, and Silver come to mind. Or me. Give it to me.
You said it wasnt mechanically incorrect to no lynch, though not why
... because we get summer info that we can't get again until D5 and because Gemma was already dead so barring another extra kill we have a no lunch to spend anyway?
You said you thought kcc was town, but not why
I literally quoted all of Nacho's reasons again, I didn't really have anything to add to them.
The "summer actions" argument is still nonsense unless youre assuming we have more power in summer than other seasons which... not sure why you would assume that?
We had a full watcher protected by a busdriver and a bodyguard that (probably) needs a summer action to activate, seems like enough to me?
ok but its not <those actions vs nothing>
Its those actions vs whatever we get in spring if we'd lynched?
And its delaying fall and winter actions
Like...
Why would you not assume something like a similar amount of town (and scum) power in each season?
And i can almost see reasons to townread kcc. But like.
Idk someone would have to be at least 90% town for me to choose no lynching. And im kind of shocked youd feel otherwise having watched no lynching contribute heavily to half of mtgs scum wins over the last couple years
Speculating why Gemma was shot is the definition of wine, you can make your own assumptions of why, but it won't help this game state at all
And I'd rather have someone who is already more town be the leader
Since regardless of who Vezok kills, I won't think he is any more likely wolf
Other people could hit town or wolf, and I'd still be questioning if they are just bussing because they are bad, which given that I've seen players like rodent actually try to shoot their own partners, I ain't gunna rule that out
Also 4. She had a good role and scum knew it somehow? The roles seems kind of crazy, so not ruling that out.
5. Or scum really wanted to use the special effect on an unclaimed to bury role info
6. Or, since Axel claimed from being under pressure, barring him directly catching scum, he's probably a more viable lynch down the line than Gemma would ever be
7. Or scum just weren't that concerned with Axel since most of his abilities are no where near as good as his one season of true Watcher
I mean, I thought it was a weird shot too Yesterday, but there's tons of possible reasons.
Fulcrum ccing as a wolf, is such poor play if he is in fact a wolf, the only problem I have is the correlation with his claim, and his actual abilities
also my role, which also has "dream" in it
what sort of actions were you hoping to effect with that choice?
RBs, redirects, whatever disruption scum might have to interfere with our one watch.
I considered trying to guess a nk target, since it was announced that I should target axel, and therefore scum probably wouldn't hit him. But, I decided against risking that wifom game, and didn't want to mess with town abilities by going off script
what sort of actions were you hoping to effect with that choice?
RBs, redirects, whatever disruption scum might have to interfere with our one watch.
I considered trying to guess a nk target, since it was announced that I should target axel, and therefore scum probably wouldn't hit him. But, I decided against risking that wifom game, and didn't want to mess with town abilities by going off script
Idk someone would have to be at least 90% town for me to choose no lynching. And im kind of shocked youd feel otherwise having watched no lynching contribute heavily to half of mtgs scum wins over the last couple years
I'm pretty close to that on her, yeah. I guess you think she can pure post as a wolf under pressure but I'm not as sure, think the wolf version of that post has more shade/wine in it than she had?
Dk lunch would have been ~fine but I doubt he claims season locked bodyguard as a wolf, so like
If we could have lunched Last or Rhand or (someone who might actually be a wolf) I'd have felt a lot better about lunching but between two wagons I think are v/v?
Idk man, think no lunch isn't the worst thing on D1 when we're already down one body towards lylo
If nacho is town, he should be vanilla, so bouncing any Axel disruption there should be fine. And a nk isn't horrible either.
Plus, scum definitely shouldn't be aiming disruption or kills at a vanilla townNacho, so basically no risk of directing something on to Axel.
And nacho is in my maybe scum pool anyway, so winwin
If you're asking if I have a case or a specific reason to think you're a wolf, I don't have either, just have you as [not a town read] so you're a better lunch than two players I think are town.
If you're asking if I have a case or a specific reason to think you're a wolf, I don't have either, just have you as [not a town read] so you're a better lunch than two players I think are town.
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maybe its my own self bias and the fact that I know I am town, but I really cant fathom people not having me at, at least >50 with 100 being lock town and 0 being the most obvious wolf
And also I think the emergence of the no Lynch wagon EOD probably means dk/KCC aren't both town. If both wagon choices were good for scum, why Elect for a third, mediocre option?
Maybe the wolves didn't elect for a third, mediocre option?
Tom keeps saying wolves wanted a no lunch at EOD but I have no idea why he thinks that. They need mislunches to get closer to their wincon. A no lunch is better than a wolf lunch for them, but it's not better than a town one.
Yes. No lynch is not as good as a town lynch but way better than a scum one. Hence "mediocre third option". You think the "no lynch" movement was town driven then?
Someone besides nacho tell me why that was a good idea. Why you, in particular, didnt think we should play ******* mafia.
Particularly @vaimes @silver @fonti @keldeo
I voted, dude.
Here's a weird idea: how much do we want to hit town with the election vote? I think giving someone kind of towny, but not confirmed, the chance to confirm themselves by lynching scum, is useful.
Nacho, Tom, and Silver come to mind. Or me. Give it to me.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Wait for vaimes and keldeo to answer.
Wait for dkings to come clarify his role timing
Wait for silver to remember how we won ghostbusters i guess?
just to remind you, it was sowing indecisiveness for no lynches so the scummy townies stuck around for us to hide in. None of us was townread, there were just always better lynches. If the ghostbusters town had just gone through with mislynches on DV and ruma, they easily would have gotten around to lynching us (especially kami since literally no one thought he was town) before lylo.
Once you add in nightkills, 2 no lynches does add up to a mislynch for scum. Only even better because theres more lynchbait still kicking around.
I see parallels here. Not to mention the chance one or both of them are scum and its just
Infuriating.
Even with no death last night our progress so far is "same ***** with less gemma"
With a kcc flip, even if town, wed be somewhere.
Wait for silver to remember how we won ghostbusters I guess?
One sec while I correct that
"Wait for Silver to remember how to play the game"
both Vaimes and Silver I feel like are playing 3rd Party to the thread
I do not think both Silver and Vaimes are town
I'm not gunna fight with people, if I see stupid posts, I'll just walk away from the thread, its not worth my time at this point in the game
honestly, i think silver might be fine here. Obviously not gonna defend his opinion, or say it makes him town, but it does track.
Vaimes i dont think does.
And fonti was openly against no lynch (as she should have been) but later said "ok maybe thats a thing" and left the bigger wagon for the smaller one because ____
Axel in all of this makes the most sense. Hes notoriously a mechanics solver and would rather have <his> actions over anyone else's
Yo, Tom, you're aware that everyone on the KCC wagon except DK was around to swap, right? And the Dk wagon people who were around preferred no lynching to swapping?
Well, I watched someone, and that player was not targeted by anyone. I can say who, or I can hold it for the minuscule possibility that someone lies later on about targeting said player. I don't have a huge opinion on this. I did write a long message on my thought process though.
Well, my reason would be that I do not have 100% faith in the Mason claim yet. It's not a terrible choice though. I mean, it's logical.
From a pure "read" standpoint, my likeliest Townie atm is probably Killjoy? I don't think I want to make him King though, due to the non-zero % he might yolo a shot on me, at least based on yesterday.
I thought more and I think I should tell what happened. Shadow gifted me a blue orb on day 1. That's all I was told, but it seemed beneficial. At night a vendor visited me and offered me a selection of three abilities. It was in exchange for my abilities, but I had none so I couldn't buy anything.
The selection was between a one shot tracker, a one shot BP or a two shot give the target the ability to send a message to someone else.
I do not know if these two events are connected, but that is very likely. At first I thought the orb was a BP and it kinda was, but it wasn't free so I'm not as convinced on the slot's innocence, but I'm still fairly confident it's probably town.
Can you say if this vendor was offering you a choice in exchange for a permanent loss of ability? Or just in exchange for your normal ability that night?
Its the exact same situation as yesterday.
If it was right to no lynch then, its right to do it now.
I assume no one is going to suggest it because its completely idiotic
Aside from it not actually being the exact same situation, and the fact that - given no kill - we COULD do it again, I already said I wasn't happy with the choices at the deadline (one being myself, you recall) and I had an ability I thought could be valuable to get off. My motives were absolutely influenced by my personal situation.
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Yo, Tom, you're aware that everyone on the KCC wagon except DK was around to swap, right? And the Dk wagon people who were around preferred no lynching to swapping?
at what point was a dkings swap viable?
After keldeo officially joined the no lynch brigade with vezok gone?
I should have used the night to try and catch up but I didn't. Which I'm now regretting...
Ahhh well Elect: Vez
If I wasn't town reading tom over his EoD I'd think his recriminations over the NoL voters would be scum motivated (openly running the Ghostbusters strat back while bragging about it), but I actually think he's just as close to tilted as tom gets. It's more frustration at players he thinks should know better and can't sort perceived bad play from scummy play.
@Vez why was receiving an orb enough for a town read on shadow, jack, Proph? I get that you are walking that back but why is receiving an unknown item indicative at all?
Here's a weird idea: how much do we want to hit town with the election vote? I think giving someone kind of towny, but not confirmed, the chance to confirm themselves by lynching scum, is useful.
Nacho, Tom, and Silver come to mind. Or me. Give it to me.
This reminds me of nothing more than the naivete that let wildfire kill like 3 people in Disinheritance or the faked naivete that scum used to try and cover for him.
Anyway despite that disaster we're still in a good position. I have a bunch of strong town reads still and I'm confident that with more effort (which I promise is coming) I'll be able to figure something out.
Aside from it not actually being the exact same situation, and the fact that - given no kill - we COULD do it again, I already said I wasn't happy with the choices at the deadline (one being myself, you recall) and I had an ability I thought could be valuable to get off. My motives were absolutely influenced by my personal situation.
oh?
Whats changed?
Part of what im thinking is about balance between seasons. There were 17 players, and some-most are more powerful in one season or another?
You, kcc, dkings is already a fair amount. Theres a scum daykiller in summer day apparently. Does that feel like a quarter of this games power?
Whats the right fraction for it to feel like?
Aside from it not actually being the exact same situation, and the fact that - given no kill - we COULD do it again, I already said I wasn't happy with the choices at the deadline (one being myself, you recall) and I had an ability I thought could be valuable to get off. My motives were absolutely influenced by my personal situation.
oh?
Whats changed?
Part of what im thinking is about balance between seasons. There were 17 players, and some-most are more powerful in one season or another?
You, kcc, dkings is already a fair amount. Theres a scum daykiller in summer day apparently. Does that feel like a quarter of this games power?
Whats the right fraction for it to feel like?
Well, there's "stuff" that happened last night, isn't there? We're hearing some of that already. No Kill itself seems kind of relevant.
Now, if someone dies again today to another incinerating daykill, well, gee, that would be bad, I acknowledge.
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Role is scummy. Softing it early is prolly towny. Neither very strongly. Balances out.
Was wolfily slanking along enough to get run up. Finally started trying in order to dismantle that wagon. Nacho says thats towny because of the CC and no reason to think she could survive but hard to give that too much weight when the only other option as either alignment is "give up and let it happen" and frankly, while better than what shed done before, that post wasnt all that special really?
Like shes in my poe but i wasnt pushing kcc because she was most likely scum just most likely lynch
but im just not seeing kcc as someone that anyone would want to throw away day 1 over killing her.
I still think on first blush dkings role being a technically nerfed bodyguard but one that can theoretically effect that summer daykill does make a fair amount of sense. Obviously gonna hope he just manages to die in the place of someone more important.
But bodyguard/protectives in general are the classic scum fakeclaim for a reason. They keep you alive and/or help hunt for actual protectives.
And hes not very far from null for me
I thought I was going to bust DK today, because I thought I remembered another game we played years ago where he fake-claimed BG as scum. But it turned out that wasn't him....
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Aside from it not actually being the exact same situation, and the fact that - given no kill - we COULD do it again, I already said I wasn't happy with the choices at the deadline (one being myself, you recall) and I had an ability I thought could be valuable to get off. My motives were absolutely influenced by my personal situation.
oh?
Whats changed?
Part of what im thinking is about balance between seasons. There were 17 players, and some-most are more powerful in one season or another?
You, kcc, dkings is already a fair amount. Theres a scum daykiller in summer day apparently. Does that feel like a quarter of this games power?
Whats the right fraction for it to feel like?
Well, there's "stuff" that happened last night, isn't there? We're hearing some of that already. No Kill itself seems kind of relevant.
Now, if someone dies again today to another incinerating daykill, well, gee, that would be bad, I acknowledge.
yes yes
So much great info flowing
Gemma was town!
Someone <wasn't> targeted
Woo
And yes. If scum have another summer kill. Thats supposed to be a perfectly reasonable day 2 and day 5 or 6 and you mother****ers let them get it day 1 and day 2...
The way im currently thinking, we mass claim after 1 year.
And id like to start having that conversation now with you (among others)
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I've been thinking, and I'm fine with a vezok king. The situations between dk/Asta and this are different. With dk, along him to commit a protect on vezok would have been bad because vezok is unproven and Asta is practically useful and his choices are public info, and therefore useful in determining alignment.
Whereas this is giving vezok a similar public choice, from which her alignment might be discerned. Therefore it doesn't matter if I believe the claim: an opportunity is created that might help me read her.
Elect Vezok
And also I think the emergence of the no Lynch wagon EOD probably means dk/KCC aren't both town. If both wagon choices were good for scum, why Elect for a third, mediocre option?
Vaimes: does this answer your question?
I literally quoted all of Nacho's reasons again, I didn't really have anything to add to them.
We had a full watcher protected by a busdriver and a bodyguard that (probably) needs a summer action to activate, seems like enough to me?
Tom keeps saying wolves wanted a no lunch at EOD but I have no idea why he thinks that. They need mislunches to get closer to their wincon. A no lunch is better than a wolf lunch for them, but it's not better than a town one.
It's not at all the same situation as Yesterday. Yesterday, there was a consensus on the lynch... followed by a retracted CC, a season switch, a death, and like 5 claims, all within hours of deadline.
Now we have weeks ahead of us to actually pick through what happened.
elect vez -I just hope you don't use it the way I would
Also, I busdrove Axel and Nacho, so if you targeted either, that's what happened
It's better than a town Lynch on day 1 imo, I got too distracted towards EoD after Nacho's ***** and all the mechanics, we should've lynched KCC if not just for the fact that her role is wolfy as *****
I voted, dude.
Here's a weird idea: how much do we want to hit town with the election vote? I think giving someone kind of towny, but not confirmed, the chance to confirm themselves by lynching scum, is useful.
Nacho, Tom, and Silver come to mind. Or me. Give it to me.
How does that... do anything for you?
Its those actions vs whatever we get in spring if we'd lynched?
And its delaying fall and winter actions
Like...
Why would you not assume something like a similar amount of town (and scum) power in each season?
And i can almost see reasons to townread kcc. But like.
Idk someone would have to be at least 90% town for me to choose no lynching. And im kind of shocked youd feel otherwise having watched no lynching contribute heavily to half of mtgs scum wins over the last couple years
And I'd rather have someone who is already more town be the leader
Since regardless of who Vezok kills, I won't think he is any more likely wolf
Other people could hit town or wolf, and I'd still be questioning if they are just bussing because they are bad, which given that I've seen players like rodent actually try to shoot their own partners, I ain't gunna rule that out
@silver
Why is your thought process so wrong?
Why did you claim?
5. Or scum really wanted to use the special effect on an unclaimed to bury role info
6. Or, since Axel claimed from being under pressure, barring him directly catching scum, he's probably a more viable lynch down the line than Gemma would ever be
7. Or scum just weren't that concerned with Axel since most of his abilities are no where near as good as his one season of true Watcher
I mean, I thought it was a weird shot too Yesterday, but there's tons of possible reasons.
wtf is the correlation with ur abilities and your claim?
also my role, which also has "dream" in it
RBs, redirects, whatever disruption scum might have to interfere with our one watch.
I considered trying to guess a nk target, since it was announced that I should target axel, and therefore scum probably wouldn't hit him. But, I decided against risking that wifom game, and didn't want to mess with town abilities by going off script
@Silver
why did you need to stay that information? what purpose did it serve?
Why the nacho?
Dk lunch would have been ~fine but I doubt he claims season locked bodyguard as a wolf, so like
If we could have lunched Last or Rhand or (someone who might actually be a wolf) I'd have felt a lot better about lunching but between two wagons I think are v/v?
Idk man, think no lunch isn't the worst thing on D1 when we're already down one body towards lylo
why am I being ignored?
If nacho is town, he should be vanilla, so bouncing any Axel disruption there should be fine. And a nk isn't horrible either.
Plus, scum definitely shouldn't be aiming disruption or kills at a vanilla townNacho, so basically no risk of directing something on to Axel.
And nacho is in my maybe scum pool anyway, so winwin
Not ignoring you, phone posting is tedious and you ninja'd me
?
I'm a dreamer. My ability is passive and it brings me info at night. That seems very clear to me.
so why would I have been a good lynch?
If you're asking if I have a case or a specific reason to think you're a wolf, I don't have either, just have you as [not a town read] so you're a better lunch than two players I think are town.
What were you actually getting at here? I thought you were asking about something else but did you just not understand the claim?
maybe its my own self bias and the fact that I know I am town, but I really cant fathom people not having me at, at least >50 with 100 being lock town and 0 being the most obvious wolf
doesnt say anything about his alignment, but its less likely to be made up, which is what I wanted to get out of my head
That's what I feel we're doing with Vezok.
Wait for vaimes and keldeo to answer.
Wait for dkings to come clarify his role timing
Wait for silver to remember how we won ghostbusters i guess?
Once you add in nightkills, 2 no lynches does add up to a mislynch for scum. Only even better because theres more lynchbait still kicking around.
I see parallels here. Not to mention the chance one or both of them are scum and its just
Infuriating.
Even with no death last night our progress so far is "same ***** with less gemma"
With a kcc flip, even if town, wed be somewhere.
Wait for silver to remember how we won ghostbusters I guess?One sec while I correct that
"Wait for Silver to remember how to play the game"
both Vaimes and Silver I feel like are playing 3rd Party to the thread
I do not think both Silver and Vaimes are town
I'm not gunna fight with people, if I see stupid posts, I'll just walk away from the thread, its not worth my time at this point in the game
I will lose to Tom if he is a wolf this game, I think he is hard lock town
Vaimes i dont think does.
And fonti was openly against no lynch (as she should have been) but later said "ok maybe thats a thing" and left the bigger wagon for the smaller one because ____
Axel in all of this makes the most sense. Hes notoriously a mechanics solver and would rather have <his> actions over anyone else's
Nacho and keldeo im super unsure on aorn
Well, my reason would be that I do not have 100% faith in the Mason claim yet. It's not a terrible choice though. I mean, it's logical.
From a pure "read" standpoint, my likeliest Townie atm is probably Killjoy? I don't think I want to make him King though, due to the non-zero % he might yolo a shot on me, at least based on yesterday.
Can you say if this vendor was offering you a choice in exchange for a permanent loss of ability? Or just in exchange for your normal ability that night?
So, this Orb gifting was a "Day" ability yesterday and Silver did it before he got replaced? And YOU know what it does, even if Vez doesn't, yes?
Aside from it not actually being the exact same situation, and the fact that - given no kill - we COULD do it again, I already said I wasn't happy with the choices at the deadline (one being myself, you recall) and I had an ability I thought could be valuable to get off. My motives were absolutely influenced by my personal situation.
After keldeo officially joined the no lynch brigade with vezok gone?
Ahhh well Elect: Vez
If I wasn't town reading tom over his EoD I'd think his recriminations over the NoL voters would be scum motivated (openly running the Ghostbusters strat back while bragging about it), but I actually think he's just as close to tilted as tom gets. It's more frustration at players he thinks should know better and can't sort perceived bad play from scummy play.
@Vez why was receiving an orb enough for a town read on
shadow,jack, Proph? I get that you are walking that back but why is receiving an unknown item indicative at all?This reminds me of nothing more than the naivete that let wildfire kill like 3 people in Disinheritance or the faked naivete that scum used to try and cover for him.
Anyway despite that disaster we're still in a good position. I have a bunch of strong town reads still and I'm confident that with more effort (which I promise is coming) I'll be able to figure something out.
Whats changed?
Part of what im thinking is about balance between seasons. There were 17 players, and some-most are more powerful in one season or another?
You, kcc, dkings is already a fair amount. Theres a scum daykiller in summer day apparently. Does that feel like a quarter of this games power?
Whats the right fraction for it to feel like?
Now, if someone dies again today to another incinerating daykill, well, gee, that would be bad, I acknowledge.
Role is scummy. Softing it early is prolly towny. Neither very strongly. Balances out.
Was wolfily slanking along enough to get run up. Finally started trying in order to dismantle that wagon. Nacho says thats towny because of the CC and no reason to think she could survive but hard to give that too much weight when the only other option as either alignment is "give up and let it happen" and frankly, while better than what shed done before, that post wasnt all that special really?
Like shes in my poe but i wasnt pushing kcc because she was most likely scum just most likely lynch
but im just not seeing kcc as someone that anyone would want to throw away day 1 over killing her.
I still think on first blush dkings role being a technically nerfed bodyguard but one that can theoretically effect that summer daykill does make a fair amount of sense. Obviously gonna hope he just manages to die in the place of someone more important.
But bodyguard/protectives in general are the classic scum fakeclaim for a reason. They keep you alive and/or help hunt for actual protectives.
And hes not very far from null for me
So much great info flowing
Gemma was town!
Someone <wasn't> targeted
Woo
And yes. If scum have another summer kill. Thats supposed to be a perfectly reasonable day 2 and day 5 or 6 and you mother****ers let them get it day 1 and day 2...
The way im currently thinking, we mass claim after 1 year.
And id like to start having that conversation now with you (among others)