@Grape
I am in a world where I am trusting Fulcrum, thats about it
there are also posts scattered throughout the thread that to me from what I remember, come off well-constructed that don't feel like a wolf making ***** up too look townie
Or he just made up asking the mod to make it look like he'd written in a PM when it was entirely fabricated. People are allowed to lie about speaking to the mod after all.
interesting, I usually disallow this in my games, but if its fair game here, then Axel is definitely not lock-town
Or he just made up asking the mod to make it look like he'd written in a PM when it was entirely fabricated. People are allowed to lie about speaking to the mod after all.
If you weren't "clarifying" complicated fake claims would be impossible after all.
interesting, I usually disallow this in my games, but if its fair game here, then Axel is definitely not lock-town
So if a player makes up a complicated fake claim they aren't allowed to fake ask the mod how a specific thing works and then relay that answer in the thread?
Something like Shadow's fake responder claim from ZE is a nice example that you were around for. That's a role where it would make sense to "ask" the mod questions that the mod can answer and reply in thread.
Think toDay's lunch and discussion should revolve around [Proph, Axel, Keldeo, KCC].
Want to sort Rhand eventually but it's hard to actually divine his alignment when he's busy. I dunno if he'd be wild enough to try and fake-scumread me again.
Okay, based on the underlined, the answer to my original question is "yes, Vaimes, I was testing to see if someone had an orb when I clearly knew that nobody should have one." If no one should have a new one, then I assume you were asking to see if someone, including Proph, was going to lie.
No. Anyone lying about it is dumb in pretty much every possible circumstance. I was asking in case someone did get one.
interesting, I usually disallow this in my games, but if its fair game here, then Axel is definitely not lock-town
So if a player makes up a complicated fake claim they aren't allowed to fake ask the mod how a specific thing works and then relay that answer in the thread?
no, I want everything to stay in-game, if I believe something needs to be public, I will state it myself
we need to eventually group up on one train, cause so help me god, if we no lynch today, I am done with this game
a majority of 10 is so rough with 14 players alive
no, I want everything to stay in-game, if I believe something needs to be public, I will state it myself
I think that's a bad rule as a mod and limits player creativity in complex games but I can understand adopting it for low complexity games. But the should aspect of it isn't as important as the fact that DV wouldn't sanction a player for lying about communication with him. That said you can/should ask him yourself if it's worrying you rather than continuing to speculate about it being OOG information in the thread.
no, I want everything to stay in-game, if I believe something needs to be public, I will state it myself
I think that's a bad rule as a mod and limits player creativity in complex games but I can understand adopting it for low complexity games. But the should aspect of it isn't as important as the fact that DV wouldn't sanction a player for lying about communication with him. That said you can/should ask him yourself if it's worrying you rather than continuing to speculate about it being OOG information in the thread.
fair point, but I also dont make very complex games, I like mine being basics or all vanilla
Think toDay's lunch and discussion should revolve around [Proph, Axel, Keldeo, KCC].
Want to sort Rhand eventually but it's hard to actually divine his alignment when he's busy. I dunno if he'd be wild enough to try and fake-scumread me again.
I feel like Silver has committed to a lot of reads. My impression is that, if this game were a rug or a sock with a loose strand sticking out, Silver is just looking at it instead of tugging it.
I feel like Silver has committed to a lot of reads. My impression is that, if this game were a rug or a sock with a loose strand sticking out, Silver is just looking at it instead of tugging it.
I guess there's a spark of curiosity that seems to be missing. He's doing a lot of talking, a lot of explaining, a lot of questioning, but it gives off an air of "I'm here" rather than "this is where we should go." I don't really know how to put it.
Okay. Do you care if I talk about the item I traded you?
Also, any particular reason for the ability you gave me? You didn't want to use it last Night?
I got to use it last Night, gave it to you Today. I actually thought I was going to be able to give it you last Night and was going to do a thing, but this works fine as well.
You can talk about it, just make sure you think beforehand.
I guess there's a spark of curiosity that seems to be missing. He's doing a lot of talking, a lot of explaining, a lot of questioning, but it gives off an air of "I'm here" rather than "this is where we should go." I don't really know how to put it.
ok I can see where you are getting at now, and this is definitely more so how I feel as well
fair point, but I also dont make very complex games, I like mine being basics or all vanilla
either way, this isn't relevant
The larger point is. The smaller point where it's impacting your read of Axel is relevant to the game at hand. Unless you're already discounting your earlier stance.
fair point, but I also dont make very complex games, I like mine being basics or all vanilla
either way, this isn't relevant
The larger point is. The smaller point where it's impacting your read of Axel is relevant to the game at hand. Unless you're already discounting your earlier stance.
I feel like Silver has committed to a lot of reads. My impression is that, if this game were a rug or a sock with a loose strand sticking out, Silver is just looking at it instead of tugging it.
Like, my issue with this characterization is that yes, the game is like a rug in this analogy, but you're not pointing out something you think is like a loose thread for me to tug on, just assuming one should be there
If there is one, I haven't noticed it, pretty much everyone I'm "not town reading" is playing an exceptionally clean game as far as I can tell
like how do I respond to his? when I have no idea what its about. What questions were I dancing around? Where was I overreacting? Whats an overreaction that looks townie?
I mean "all game" is pretty wild to say, when I have talked about your slot over and over and my feelings on it
Here, instead of answering the simple why with any reasons at all, your immediate reaction is to defend, emphasizing that the push is actually justified and had enough setup
Worse, as we get to later, this really really isn't true.
@kcc
Like you should've died yesterday, and now I'm stuck between your soft probably coming from town and your claim in general being wolfy as *****, how you claimed it, and it's abilities
After a moment, you do come back with a second post that does give some reasons. Kinda.
I asked you to clarify this: like, why I should have been lynched just for being false CCed near deadline, and... you never explained further
Umm... this is definitely the first conversation we're having this game.
You naked voted me once Yesterday after the "CC" (which, okay, fine, made sense at the time) and naked voted me again near deadline (which, again, fine at that moment for dodging a no lynch). But, yeah, if you could link me to all these posts on your feelings over and over, I'd love to see how I moved up from just a situation lynch Yesterday
@kcc
My towncore is Vezok,Tom,killjoy
That's saying something about everyone's play this game right now
My only reason to town read you would be because of how you softed day 1, that's literally it
And again, instead of just showing any of these feelings or reasons that you claimed to have had so many of, it's just a handwave. No explanation on the progression at sll
What reason do I have to wolf read anyone if not just micro reasons or the fact that I don't have reason to town read them?
I have the most posts in the game and all I get is, "wisp could do any of this as either alignment"
And another straight forward request for reasoning danced around.
And that second part is so ugly. I've just been asking for a simple walkthrough on the progression, and there's this frustration out of nowhere, like why isn't just having the most posts good enough
@kcc
I mean "all game" is pretty wild to say, when I have talked about your slot over and over and my feelings on it
...these over and over feelings... are a single micro read, that you mentioned maybe twice, and not very strongly, since I had no idea what you were talking about and had to dig to find anything you might be trying to refer to here?
Am I getting that right? Because it seems like you are making dramatic overstatements to justify still pushing me Today
Yeah, basically that right there
I think the town version of this exchange looks a lot closer to..
Last: kcc is best choice
Kcc: why? I don't remember you saying anything about me
Last: oh, mostly the role. Also one micro read
Like, none of this exaggerating or dodging is remotely necessary, or makes any sense, unless you realized you hadn't actually setup that push enough and were concerned with how that looked
Yeah, I obviously RBed him. For reasons very close to this. TownProph targeting Axel with one didn't make sense to me, regardless of what they might do
I got to use it last Night, gave it to you Today. I actually thought I was going to be able to give it you last Night and was going to do a thing, but this works fine as well.
You can talk about it, just make sure you think beforehand.
Ohhh, I understand things now. Also forgot the trade happens during the Day, derp.
I told you there's some things about the items I can't say explicitly. So if you notice anything weird, chalk it up to my doing.
This is a weird game where I know I'm explicitly the scummiest because I'm so disconnected from the game. Maybe the way to solve is to scum read anyone who wasn't paranoid of me because scum would have guessed I was the other mason and known the claim was true.
so this is all about my handling of your slot? I've said my thoughts, there's literally nothing I can remember from your slot that pushes me either way, all I remember is your soft and your claim, your soft is less likely to come from a wolf, but not impossible, and your claim, which tonally, it feels wolfy, i've explained before I didn't like the whole use of, "here it comes", which sounds so fake, not to mention how mechanically wolfy your role is
you should've died day 1, we shouldn't be having this conversation right now, it doesn't matter what your alignment is or was
I am not dodging or exaggerating anything, those are my thoughts, plain and simple, I am not going to take the time to iso someone and pull out slivers of reasons why they might possibly flip town when they aren't given me reasons to believe they might be town
KCC, you can't honestly believe that you look anywhere near townie enough or even townie at all, to argue, "you hadn't actually setup that push enough and were concerned with how that looked"
you clearly haven't played with me enough, if you expect me to clearly articulate my thoughts
as well as, the fact, you can't lynch me lmao, like you if you are a wolf, u just kill me, or bank on me getting pocketed by you, there is no other options, even in some of my worst town games on this site, I managed to slip by being lynched, even after I self-voted myself out of genuine frustration
you will always be the best choice, simply because your role is a wolfy, how you claimed was wolfy, and you should've died day 1
the only reason I even keep pulling you out of my wolf's PoE is today is still because of your first post, which that's pretty sad in itself on my part, but also on your part
Dkingsland/Asta probably town (Asta is newtown and confirmed dkingsland is a bodyguard)
Vezok/Grape probably town just not using their Mason chat
Killjoy too nuanced to be wolf Killjoy
Fulcrum either town or doing a great job of obliquely pocketing me, plus her role Probably Exists and I don't think it's a fake claim she makes spontaneously it's kind of... esoteric
Axel probably town, his role mirrors mine in several respects (so Probably True) and isn't strong enough to be a wolf investigative (wolf summer watcher who ~probably doesn't see the bodyguard would be pretty weird)
There are ~four wolves in the other six of you and trying to figure out which of you is which has been giving me a headache all game, but luckily I don't have to tinfoil tom or Nacho anymore so I don't really care which of you flip. I'm partial to Rhand and KCC because KCC being a wolf is the "simple solution" to D1's wagons, and Rhand is ~pretty much the only person I actually think is wolfy in the game right now
But yeah that's the answer, lunch my PoE, hit a wolf, find their partners, win prizes
also @KCC
the reason why me reads go back and forth when I am town, is because every time someone says something about my reads, may it be a town or a wolf read, I put it into consideration, and sometimes I just straight up 180 it because I am putting more trust in their thoughts rather than mine
Is it just a behavioral thing? Did we talk about this before Christmas and I forgot?
I'm making a conscious effort to ignore anything to do with his copy/paste mod post or whatever
Primarily behavior. If I have to choose between roles and behavior, I'm gonna lean towards behavior.
Why ignore it? It's part of the game.
It shouldn't be part of the game imo
To some extent it already is and it colors my read of him simply having read it but in order for it to not be OoGI I have to also consider that he might have faked it and it turns into wine anyway
Which parts of his behavior? I vaguely remember you saying something about him positioning his Nacho read in the way back when, is it still just that or is there more now? If you have a read on his mod copy/paste post I'll hear it, it just isn't likely to persuade me
I guess I just don't understand why villager!Axel didn't just summarize his thoughts. That seems like a much more natural course of action, rather than copy/pasting a monologue that, if he's telling the truth, originally was not meant to be read by anyone. I have an easier time seeing scum taking that course of action to "prove" that they're a villager, rather than just being a villager.
What is it about his role that has you townreading him? How much stock are you putting into that in a closed setup?
I am in a world where I am trusting Fulcrum, thats about it
there are also posts scattered throughout the thread that to me from what I remember, come off well-constructed that don't feel like a wolf making ***** up too look townie
If you weren't "clarifying" complicated fake claims would be impossible after all.
Hey Proph, were you roleblocked, did you run out of orbs, talk to me.
So if a player makes up a complicated fake claim they aren't allowed to fake ask the mod how a specific thing works and then relay that answer in the thread?
Wasn't that the point of KCC's questions? That he couldn't have given one out last night?
Think toDay's lunch and discussion should revolve around [Proph, Axel, Keldeo, KCC].
Want to sort Rhand eventually but it's hard to actually divine his alignment when he's busy. I dunno if he'd be wild enough to try and fake-scumread me again.
Still have a fat hairy eyeball on Silver.
fulcrum, your abilities are all passive, yeah?
No. Anyone lying about it is dumb in pretty much every possible circumstance. I was asking in case someone did get one.
Does KCC know why Proph couldn't give out an orb?
Nevermind. I'm dumb. I was thinking KCC was claiming role usage to say proph couldn't have given an orb out. I'm dumb.
a majority of 10 is so rough with 14 players alive
I think that's a bad rule as a mod and limits player creativity in complex games but I can understand adopting it for low complexity games. But the should aspect of it isn't as important as the fact that DV wouldn't sanction a player for lying about communication with him. That said you can/should ask him yourself if it's worrying you rather than continuing to speculate about it being OOG information in the thread.
either way, this isn't relevant
i will be waiting for you to explain in full what posts gave you those vibes so I can break them down
Correct.
Also, any particular reason for the ability you gave me? You didn't want to use it last Night?
I got to use it last Night, gave it to you Today. I actually thought I was going to be able to give it you last Night and was going to do a thing, but this works fine as well.
You can talk about it, just make sure you think beforehand.
The larger point is. The smaller point where it's impacting your read of Axel is relevant to the game at hand. Unless you're already discounting your earlier stance.
Especially right now when I'm basically just keeping up with thread
There's stuff I want to go back and look at when I have more free time, with tom/Nacho dead town but... yeah
I doubt Proph is an arsonist, he very definitely could be a wolf though
I'd be willing to lunch him or KCC/Last/Rhand/Keldeo, still prefer Rhand at the moment though, I think
vote: Rhand
If there is one, I haven't noticed it, pretty much everyone I'm "not town reading" is playing an exceptionally clean game as far as I can tell
Okay, sure, let's go through this.
Here, instead of answering the simple why with any reasons at all, your immediate reaction is to defend, emphasizing that the push is actually justified and had enough setup
Worse, as we get to later, this really really isn't true.
After a moment, you do come back with a second post that does give some reasons. Kinda.
I asked you to clarify this: like, why I should have been lynched just for being false CCed near deadline, and... you never explained further
And again, instead of just showing any of these feelings or reasons that you claimed to have had so many of, it's just a handwave. No explanation on the progression at sll
And another straight forward request for reasoning danced around.
And that second part is so ugly. I've just been asking for a simple walkthrough on the progression, and there's this frustration out of nowhere, like why isn't just having the most posts good enough
Yeah, basically that right there
I think the town version of this exchange looks a lot closer to..
Last: kcc is best choice
Kcc: why? I don't remember you saying anything about me
Last: oh, mostly the role. Also one micro read
Like, none of this exaggerating or dodging is remotely necessary, or makes any sense, unless you realized you hadn't actually setup that push enough and were concerned with how that looked
Yeah, I obviously RBed him. For reasons very close to this. TownProph targeting Axel with one didn't make sense to me, regardless of what they might do
I told you there's some things about the items I can't say explicitly. So if you notice anything weird, chalk it up to my doing. We all know you picked the messenger ability.
you should've died day 1, we shouldn't be having this conversation right now, it doesn't matter what your alignment is or was
I am not dodging or exaggerating anything, those are my thoughts, plain and simple, I am not going to take the time to iso someone and pull out slivers of reasons why they might possibly flip town when they aren't given me reasons to believe they might be town
KCC, you can't honestly believe that you look anywhere near townie enough or even townie at all, to argue, "you hadn't actually setup that push enough and were concerned with how that looked"
you clearly haven't played with me enough, if you expect me to clearly articulate my thoughts
as well as, the fact, you can't lynch me lmao, like you if you are a wolf, u just kill me, or bank on me getting pocketed by you, there is no other options, even in some of my worst town games on this site, I managed to slip by being lynched, even after I self-voted myself out of genuine frustration
you will always be the best choice, simply because your role is a wolfy, how you claimed was wolfy, and you should've died day 1
the only reason I even keep pulling you out of my wolf's PoE is today is still because of your first post, which that's pretty sad in itself on my part, but also on your part
Dkingsland/Asta probably town (Asta is newtown and confirmed dkingsland is a bodyguard)
Vezok/Grape probably town just not using their Mason chat
Killjoy too nuanced to be wolf Killjoy
Fulcrum either town or doing a great job of obliquely pocketing me, plus her role Probably Exists and I don't think it's a fake claim she makes spontaneously it's kind of... esoteric
Axel probably town, his role mirrors mine in several respects (so Probably True) and isn't strong enough to be a wolf investigative (wolf summer watcher who ~probably doesn't see the bodyguard would be pretty weird)
There are ~four wolves in the other six of you and trying to figure out which of you is which has been giving me a headache all game, but luckily I don't have to tinfoil tom or Nacho anymore so I don't really care which of you flip. I'm partial to Rhand and KCC because KCC being a wolf is the "simple solution" to D1's wagons, and Rhand is ~pretty much the only person I actually think is wolfy in the game right now
But yeah that's the answer, lunch my PoE, hit a wolf, find their partners, win prizes
tell me something, why should I believe you are town?
Don't really see that changing much, unless one of those slots does something dazzling.
We're about halfway through the Day, and I think only like three people have votes placed. Let's go.
Is it just a behavioral thing? Did we talk about this before Christmas and I forgot?
I'm making a conscious effort to ignore anything to do with his copy/paste mod post or whatever
the reason why me reads go back and forth when I am town, is because every time someone says something about my reads, may it be a town or a wolf read, I put it into consideration, and sometimes I just straight up 180 it because I am putting more trust in their thoughts rather than mine
Why ignore it? It's part of the game.
To some extent it already is and it colors my read of him simply having read it but in order for it to not be OoGI I have to also consider that he might have faked it and it turns into wine anyway
Which parts of his behavior? I vaguely remember you saying something about him positioning his Nacho read in the way back when, is it still just that or is there more now? If you have a read on his mod copy/paste post I'll hear it, it just isn't likely to persuade me
What is it about his role that has you townreading him? How much stock are you putting into that in a closed setup?