If you show me the error of my ways. Looks spefifically at his positioning on Rhand and DK. I'm about 1000 posts into the game in his ISO and it's pretty bad. Also he almost never votes for nontown.
Look also at his treatment of Prophslot as well, since that would be his buddy.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I don't think Killjoy is pushing me to be malicious, my gut tells me he just believes this
and the way he is talking to Fulcrum just doesn't feel like two wolves talking
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
If you guys want me to reconsider, show me the history of the game.
That's basically all I'll accept at this point with it being lylo.
Last, if you think that KJ/fulcrum "don't feel like wolves" then show me the posts that make you feel that way.
I feel like town!you is more afraid to be wrong here. He's not resigned to one world. He actively tries to eliminate everything.
and thats the read I thought I'd have on you be now, but I don't so
/shrug
@Killjoy
yes, I didnt really vote Rhand till the day he died, and same with DK, but I pushed DK over anyone else, over fulcrum, over KCC
which probably makes me only a wolf with Proph, but I'm not a wolf so...
like I explained why I thought Rhand was town early on, like I am sorry that I was wrong? its not about the voting, but the progression, is it real, or is it fake
If you guys want me to reconsider, show me the history of the game.
That's basically all I'll accept at this point with it being lylo.
Last, if you think that KJ/fulcrum "don't feel like wolves" then show me the posts that make you feel that way.
I feel like town!you is more afraid to be wrong here. He's not resigned to one world. He actively tries to eliminate everything.
I'm literally rereading the game as we speak to make sure my worldview is correct here
It's just that I've thought about this game for days and days now, and KJ/fulcrum /feels/ right
I've tried every other scum permutation in my head and everything has come up short
I'm refusing to consider Last because we literally went through a similar game a couple of months ago (The Phantom of the Opera) and I got a strong sense of how he played town in that game. I also modded a game where he was mafia (Modern) and watched him go to endgame. His play both games are night and day
This game has reminded me of his Phantom of the Opera play much more than Modern
so ya I went through Mind's iso in DITF, as short as it was, because he replaced out
and I don't really see a difference right now between this game and that game
I think his content is all just fake, especially the tone he puts out in his last post
#sorrynotsorry
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
so ya I went through Mind's iso in DITF, as short as it was, because he replaced out
and I don't really see a difference right now between this game and that game
I think his content is all just fake, especially the tone he puts out in his last post
#sorrynotsorry
@Fulcrum
well DK is in your scum PoE? can we just vote there?
Last is the reason Dk died, if he hadn't pushed me, I would have swapped from Proph.
Bussing is for sure a thing. What I'm seeing is him basically refusing to take a stance even while Rhand was being run up, and not really doing much to dk either.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
If you guys want me to reconsider, show me the history of the game.
That's basically all I'll accept at this point with it being lylo.
Last, if you think that KJ/fulcrum "don't feel like wolves" then show me the posts that make you feel that way.
I feel like town!you is more afraid to be wrong here. He's not resigned to one world. He actively tries to eliminate everything.
I'm literally rereading the game as we speak to make sure my worldview is correct here
It's just that I've thought about this game for days and days now, and KJ/fulcrum /feels/ right
I've tried every other scum permutation in my head and everything has come up short
I'm refusing to consider Last because we literally went through a similar game a couple of months ago (The Phantom of the Opera) and I got a strong sense of how he played town in that game. I also modded a game where he was mafia (Modern) and watched him go to endgame. His play both games are night and day
This game has reminded me of his Phantom of the Opera play much more than Modern
What exactly is his scum game like then?
Like, I feel like you're just siding with me without giving any of the actual arguments that would persuade killjoy, so you get to not piss off Last without getting killjoy on the right track.
so ya I went through Mind's iso in DITF, as short as it was, because he replaced out
and I don't really see a difference right now between this game and that game
I think his content is all just fake, especially the tone he puts out in his last post
#sorrynotsorry
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Yeah I've just read through that entire conversation y'all had earlier Today and I feel like I only understand half of what was said.
"Revenge" shouldn't affect our decision making process Today; we should lynch who we want to Today. I will say that the presence of the Revenge ability makes me a little more amiable to me being lynched if that's where we want to go Today but I still think I have the game solved.
my vote was on fulcrum because I think she can be a wolf, but I also dont, but I also just want her out of the game because I don't want to **** this game up
the revenge would be a bonus if she does happen to flip town
Bruh.
stop bruhing me
And I'm not scum with Last @killjoy, he tried to kill me multiple times and just look at literally any of our interactions, this isn't fakeable.
so ya I went through Mind's iso in DITF, as short as it was, because he replaced out
and I don't really see a difference right now between this game and that game
I think his content is all just fake, especially the tone he puts out in his last post
#sorrynotsorry
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
contradictions are nai, its not a contradiction, it was me rereading his ISO, and giving reasons for why he could be town, even though I had a wolf read on him
The second one came after I reread his ISO
if you can't find a reason to think your wolf read can be town, then you are just lying to yourself
Ok, Last, explain what was going on there exactly. It sounds like you were saying Mind played like his other game in the first post and that he was 100% different from that game in the second. Explain please.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm working on it fulcrum, there's a lot to respond in there.
And I would say Last's scum game is slightly more stilted and more by-the-book. The biggest thing I noticed in Modern was that several people just didn't want to read Last's posts due to his style, something he took great advantage of up until endgame.
In this game he's expressing a lot more active thinking about the gamestate and there's a lot of genuine confusion in his posts, something I think he has a hard time faking.
@KCC
@Fulcrum
thanks guys for being a sport about this, this little bit of fluff helps me keep my sanity
regardless of your alignments, I did truly enjoy our neighbor chat, despite everything I may have said in the main topic
@killjoy
Do you really think last and I have these kind of interactions as teammates?
The second one came after I reread his ISO
if you can't find a reason to think your wolf read can be town, then you are just lying to yourself
Ok, Last, explain what was going on there exactly. It sounds like you were saying Mind played like his other game in the first post and that he was 100% different from that game in the second. Explain please.
/shrug
I read things once, and say one thing, and then I reread and maybe think another, sue me
I'm working on it fulcrum, there's a lot to respond in there.
And I would say Last's scum game is slightly more stilted and more by-the-book. The biggest thing I noticed in Modern was that several people just didn't want to read Last's posts due to his style, something he took great advantage of up until endgame.
In this game he's expressing a lot more active thinking about the gamestate and there's a lot of genuine confusion in his posts, something I think he has a hard time faking.
What do you mean by "due to his style"? What exactly made people not want to read them? How exactly did he take advantage?
@KCC
@Fulcrum
thanks guys for being a sport about this, this little bit of fluff helps me keep my sanity
regardless of your alignments, I did truly enjoy our neighbor chat, despite everything I may have said in the main topic
@killjoy
Do you really think last and I have these kind of interactions as teammates?
idk. I'm bad at this type of interaction analysis.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm working on it fulcrum, there's a lot to respond in there.
And I would say Last's scum game is slightly more stilted and more by-the-book. The biggest thing I noticed in Modern was that several people just didn't want to read Last's posts due to his style, something he took great advantage of up until endgame.
In this game he's expressing a lot more active thinking about the gamestate and there's a lot of genuine confusion in his posts, something I think he has a hard time faking.
What do you mean by "due to his style"? What exactly made people not want to read them? How exactly did he take advantage?
His posting style is a lot more casual and conversational, which I think stems from the fact that he started playing mafia on an anime site, then MafiaUniverse. This style kind of flies in the face of MTGS's "let's chuck walls at each other until we faint" mafia site meta, so I think he was able to get away with a lot of BS in Modern because people simply didn't read his posts properly. He made it to endgame despite having not-great interactions with his partners due to this.
@KCC
@Fulcrum
thanks guys for being a sport about this, this little bit of fluff helps me keep my sanity
regardless of your alignments, I did truly enjoy our neighbor chat, despite everything I may have said in the main topic
@killjoy
Do you really think last and I have these kind of interactions as teammates?
idk. I'm bad at this type of interaction analysis.
****, ok.
Killjoy, I don't know how to convince you. I am town and I need you to help me win this. Please.
@KCC
@Fulcrum
thanks guys for being a sport about this, this little bit of fluff helps me keep my sanity
regardless of your alignments, I did truly enjoy our neighbor chat, despite everything I may have said in the main topic
@killjoy
Do you really think last and I have these kind of interactions as teammates?
idk. I'm bad at this type of interaction analysis.
****, ok.
Killjoy, I don't know how to convince you. I am town and I need you to help me win this. Please.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
And Silver is keeping his options open on Killjoy maybe not being scum with me so the Last/KJ town v town fight can continue.
This is basically counterfactual, I said I liked KJ's VCA but Last/you doesn't explain night actions
How is that keeping options open?
When you flip I'm absolutely gunning for KJ lmao, I was just saying if Last and KJ both think it's you+the other they should lunch you and we can argue about who your partner is exactly toMorrow
Last, you specifically flipped your opinion on Mind after Keldeo replaced him, so talk about that for me. What did Mind do in DitF that he didn't do here?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Last, you specifically flipped your opinion on Mind after Keldeo replaced him, so talk about that for me. What did Mind do in DitF that he didn't do here?
I can't really say why I made the original post
but the second post, was because there was drastically different tone coming from his wolf game DITF, and here
specifically, his very early wall post, saying, "If you want to try to mislynch me, I am going to put up a fight"
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
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Curse PremiumThat's basically all I'll accept at this point with it being lylo.
Last, if you think that KJ/fulcrum "don't feel like wolves" then show me the posts that make you feel that way.
Look also at his treatment of Prophslot as well, since that would be his buddy.
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Curse PremiumI can't read your mind, bro.
/shrug
@Killjoy
yes, I didnt really vote Rhand till the day he died, and same with DK, but I pushed DK over anyone else, over fulcrum, over KCC
which probably makes me only a wolf with Proph, but I'm not a wolf so...
like I explained why I thought Rhand was town early on, like I am sorry that I was wrong? its not about the voting, but the progression, is it real, or is it fake
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Curse PremiumIt's just that I've thought about this game for days and days now, and KJ/fulcrum /feels/ right
I've tried every other scum permutation in my head and everything has come up short
I'm refusing to consider Last because we literally went through a similar game a couple of months ago (The Phantom of the Opera) and I got a strong sense of how he played town in that game. I also modded a game where he was mafia (Modern) and watched him go to endgame. His play both games are night and day
This game has reminded me of his Phantom of the Opera play much more than Modern
Last is the reason Dk died, if he hadn't pushed me, I would have swapped from Proph.
He made that lynch happen
IDK what the context is there, seems like Last was disagreeing with himself?
What exactly is his scum game like then?
Like, I feel like you're just siding with me without giving any of the actual arguments that would persuade killjoy, so you get to not piss off Last without getting killjoy on the right track.
And I'm not scum with Last @killjoy, he tried to kill me multiple times and just look at literally any of our interactions, this isn't fakeable.
What.
The second one seems like it's calling Mind town?
if you can't find a reason to think your wolf read can be town, then you are just lying to yourself
It's a contridiction, which is my point.
Ok, Last, explain what was going on there exactly. It sounds like you were saying Mind played like his other game in the first post and that he was 100% different from that game in the second. Explain please.
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Curse PremiumAnd I would say Last's scum game is slightly more stilted and more by-the-book. The biggest thing I noticed in Modern was that several people just didn't want to read Last's posts due to his style, something he took great advantage of up until endgame.
In this game he's expressing a lot more active thinking about the gamestate and there's a lot of genuine confusion in his posts, something I think he has a hard time faking.
@killjoy
Do you really think last and I have these kind of interactions as teammates?
I read things once, and say one thing, and then I reread and maybe think another, sue me
What do you mean by "due to his style"? What exactly made people not want to read them? How exactly did he take advantage?
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Curse Premium****, ok.
Killjoy, I don't know how to convince you. I am town and I need you to help me win this. Please.
tbf I think town loses this game if we lynch you anyway even if you're scum because I'll never convince proph to lynch not me at that point.
How is that keeping options open?
When you flip I'm absolutely gunning for KJ lmao, I was just saying if Last and KJ both think it's you+the other they should lunch you and we can argue about who your partner is exactly toMorrow
but the second post, was because there was drastically different tone coming from his wolf game DITF, and here
specifically, his very early wall post, saying, "If you want to try to mislynch me, I am going to put up a fight"
Proph if you're town, you need to reevaluate or we lose.
Silver Are you willing to vote Proph today?
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Curse PremiumIf we're both town, who are the scum?
guess we will know if I keep my vote here, else we can just remove that
since I was the first vote on Silver for a while