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Quote from Killjoy »KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc. As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Quote from tomsloger »eh. as a community were sort of dicks to everyone. except vaimes.
Quote from Vaimes »Yeah, I tunneled Silver all game and now I'm going to magically try and save him.
Quote from Vaimes »And I know what he’s going to say even if I did answer his silly question. “That’s not AI for me!”
Quote from Vaimes »I spent like, several weeks laying out what was scummy about Last in the last two games. He was in both of them. He knows what his scumtells are.
Quote from Lastwhisper »its probably not though, just saying
Quote from Killjoy »Gemma: Wrong. It's the way you're handling Nacho; you don't appear to actually want to figure out his alignment. When asked if you've seen AI things from him, you responded that no, you hadn't. You then stated that your way of reading him was very specific, but was true a long time ago (might still be true now, no way to know for sure). See, for me, if my meta was stale, I'd at least take that into account when trying to sort him. You do not appear to be doing that, nor do you really appear to have considered even doing that. Throw that on top of the fact that I've played with Nacho before and don't recall him being so far off the Mafia grid that he's immune to standard mafia tells, and you've got yourself (or rather, myself) a problem with your play here.
Quote from Killjoy »Silver: Is the post you quoted not what you're looking for?
Quote from Silvercrys3467 »Mmmm. Yeah, Vaimes + Killjoy, Gemma, Slothful, Axelrod in approximately that order. @KCC what do you think of Nacho's push on me, if you don't think he was rolefishing?
Quote from Killjoy »Silver: Is the post you quoted not what you're looking for? Vaimes: But for two of those things to be true, he has to be defending/trying to halt a wagon on scum, and we don't have any flips yet. Is he doing that to anyone, and are you scumreading that person? I'm actually not seeing where he's defending anyone on a skim here.
Quote from Silvercrys3467 »Quote from Killjoy »Silver: Is the post you quoted not what you're looking for?Not exactly, no. The post you made is like... a pretty dry scum tell thing? You think she's wolfy because she isn't trying to read Nacho, but I think she'd try to at least make a read out of a pretty significant push from someone she knows pretty well (iirc) if she was a wolf, I guess. Either push on him or use it to pocket him or something. I'm looking for like, a reason she's more likely to approach her Nacho read by just not giving one as a wolf.
Quote from Nachomamma8 »Vaimes - you should stop voting me and instead vote LW with me. It's pretty rude to mislynch me on my first game on the site in over a year.
Quote from Vaimes »Quote from Killjoy »Silver: Is the post you quoted not what you're looking for? Vaimes: But for two of those things to be true, he has to be defending/trying to halt a wagon on scum, and we don't have any flips yet. Is he doing that to anyone, and are you scumreading that person? I'm actually not seeing where he's defending anyone on a skim here.If he’s defending a wagon in a fishy way, I suspect it’s because he’s defending a partner. He did it with Azrael, and he did it with Rhand. I mentioned that I’m also scumreading Nacho, and he seemed to be criticizing me for posting when I started questioning Nacho, but I’m not locked into it
Quote from Killjoy »Quote from Silvercrys3467 »Mmmm. Yeah, Vaimes + Killjoy, Gemma, Slothful, Axelrod in approximately that order. @KCC what do you think of Nacho's push on me, if you don't think he was rolefishing? Also this post is weird. Are these townreads or scum reads? If town, explain me PLUS Vaimes. If scum, do you think me and Gemma are scum together?
Quote from Vaimes »Quote from Killjoy »Quote from Silvercrys3467 »Mmmm. Yeah, Vaimes + Killjoy, Gemma, Slothful, Axelrod in approximately that order. @KCC what do you think of Nacho's push on me, if you don't think he was rolefishing? Also this post is weird. Are these townreads or scum reads? If town, explain me PLUS Vaimes. If scum, do you think me and Gemma are scum together?Garcia: I’m assuming it’s a town list, and that it’s a different way of writing Vaimes/KJ Gemma Sloth Axel
Quote from Lastwhisper »@Silver Why are you voting Rhand? I don't see the connection between your post and that vote?
Quote from Killjoy »Quote from Silvercrys3467 »Yeah, Vaimes + Killjoy, Gemma, Slothful, Axelrod in approximately that order.Are these townreads or scum reads?
Quote from Silvercrys3467 »Yeah, Vaimes + Killjoy, Gemma, Slothful, Axelrod in approximately that order.
Quote from Slothful »Quote from Lastwhisper »SNIP. anyone who knows where this gif is from gets a free day 1 town lean, probably?I believe this is from a game called "The Legend of Zelda." I can tell because the main protagonist, Zelda, is in it. It's the blond lad in the green.
Quote from Lastwhisper »SNIP. anyone who knows where this gif is from gets a free day 1 town lean, probably?
Quote from Killjoy »My point is I don't think she's intentionally doing it. Perhaps she doesn't need to or something like that.
Quote from Slothful »Wait, Asta, did you manage to roll scum in your second ever game? Of all the rotten luck. VOTE ASTA See you all Tuesday!
Quote from Slothful »Quote from Rhand »Quote from Gemma »Quote from Rhand » Nacho feels like a copy of myself when I’m writing things that are good observations and then people scumread me for that. I feel like you tried to mash 10 different ideas into that sentence It was me pre-empting unfounded scumreads on Nacho because I know how that feels.so you feel like Nacho is town, and you feel it strong enough to defend him. Would you say this analysis is correct?
Quote from Rhand »Quote from Gemma »Quote from Rhand » Nacho feels like a copy of myself when I’m writing things that are good observations and then people scumread me for that. I feel like you tried to mash 10 different ideas into that sentence It was me pre-empting unfounded scumreads on Nacho because I know how that feels.
Quote from Gemma »Quote from Rhand » Nacho feels like a copy of myself when I’m writing things that are good observations and then people scumread me for that. I feel like you tried to mash 10 different ideas into that sentence
Quote from Rhand » Nacho feels like a copy of myself when I’m writing things that are good observations and then people scumread me for that.
Quote from Slothful »Quote from KittyCupCake »I understand why nachos getting votes here, but I think this is more likely cautious town rather than role fishing explain how these would look diso different so that you could tell which is which.
Quote from KittyCupCake »I understand why nachos getting votes here, but I think this is more likely cautious town rather than role fishing
Quote from M1ndreaver »Quote from Slothful »Quote from Lastwhisper »SNIP. anyone who knows where this gif is from gets a free day 1 town lean, probably?I believe this is from a game called "The Legend of Zelda." I can tell because the main protagonist, Zelda, is in it. It's the blond lad in the green.The blonde lad is Link. Zelda is the princess.
Quote from Slothful »Holy hell this site us not a fan of phone posting, I'm just gonna stop now.
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Quote from Gemma » Quote from Rhand »It was me pre-empting unfounded scumreads on Nacho because I know how that feels. Why are you spoilering an invitation to talk? Doesn’t feel very inviting. But Rhand, secret invitations are the best! Feel free to elaborate more on his observations? I don't really expect to agree with you based on past experience but I value the input all the same.
Quote from Rhand »It was me pre-empting unfounded scumreads on Nacho because I know how that feels. Why are you spoilering an invitation to talk? Doesn’t feel very inviting.
Quote from Axelrod »I also do not care for Tom's rapping. This is almost definitely influenced by the fact he's voting for me. But, it's scummish anyway.
Quote from Nachomamma8 »I'm townreading Tom and it's the most fun townread that I have! Also getting cold feet on LW, whoops. Mr. Carter iSpy Business ---- Peanut Butter Waffles Butterflies Unvote Vote: M1ndreaver
Quote from Killjoy »Rhand: talk me through scum Axel. I think he's made like, less than 5 posts? I haven't seen anything really bad from him.
Quote from Lastwhisper »@vezok Your second paragraph is just unnecessary fear mongering Maybe I don't want to be proactive have you ever thought of that
Quote from tomsloger »SNIP Last town
Quote from Nachomamma8 »I'm townreading Tom and it's the most fun townread that I have! Also getting cold feet on LW, whoops.
Quote from Nachomamma8 »Mr. Carter iSpy Business ---- Peanut Butter Waffles Butterflies
Quote from Slothful »explain how these would look diso different so that you could tell which is which.
Quote from Axelrod »I will note that none of this is an explanation for why you felt the need to soft-claim like that.
Quote from Silvercrys3467 »@KCC what do you think of Nacho's push on me, if you don't think he was rolefishing?
Quote from Vaimes »Addendum: he did the defending before we had any scumflips in both games.