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Quote from Rhand »Quote from Vaimes »I’d say at least read Mind’s/Rhand’s/my ISOs. They’re kind of the hot topics right now. KCC also claimed she has a scummy role but left it at that. Unless Vaimes is scum with Grape, this is a good look for Vaimes. There’s no real point in putting attention to yourself like this as scum.
Quote from Vaimes »I’d say at least read Mind’s/Rhand’s/my ISOs. They’re kind of the hot topics right now. KCC also claimed she has a scummy role but left it at that.
Quote from Rhand »Quote from Lastwhisper »@rhand I don't get why scum!vaimes couldn't say that either... It's literally just words. How is telling someone to ISO yourself as part of a catch up just words? Do you believe in alignment tells at all?
Quote from Lastwhisper »@rhand I don't get why scum!vaimes couldn't say that either... It's literally just words.
Quote from Killjoy »@dkingsland: First, do you believe Vezok's claim? You made a big old post in 801 about her, but following her claim on your post back there was a noticeable lack of comment on that. You moved your vote, sure but given the conviction in that read I was expecting a little more. Second question for you here is a two-parter: If you believe the claim, who are the scum pushing him when he claimed, and if you don't believe it, do you think the wagon is pure?
Quote from Vaimes »And I’ve said multiple times that Axel feels like he’s LHF hunting. At the moment I can’t recall who he’s been poking at other than KCC or Mind. Probably Silver too, just based on his list, but haven’t noticed as much. And a lot of his townreads don’t look sincere with all the hemming and hawing.
Quote from Vaimes »Quote from Killjoy »What attack do you think fulcrum is accusing you of defending from?That is the point. Unvote, vote Axel The thing with him is I haven't really liked his targets. He's been poking slash making off-hand comments at KCC, KJ, Mind. Somewhat easy-to-justify targets, and he did mention that he doesn't have strong stances Day 1 but it's still very very eh, will check that out when I have time. I can't trim quotes and don't want to post a huge wall, but his ISO isn't that long.
Quote from Killjoy »What attack do you think fulcrum is accusing you of defending from?
Quote from Killjoy »Gemma: I'm not seeing a lot of town motive in your posts. That's why you're null. You're actually on the low end of null.
Quote from Gemma »Like, what even is 1019 from KCC. There's been a bunch happening and she just comments on some piecemeal stuff, makes no real contribution to the game and gives no impression that she actually has a broader sense of what her solve is, how she's trying to get at the game, or that she cares about town winning at all. Everything she's been doing all game is completely irrelevant. She's not helping us win the game. So why does no one want to lynch her? Because she's a lurker? Because she softed a PR? Bitch please.
Quote from KittyCupCake »Gemma/mind w/w then?
Quote from KittyCupCake »Quote from Gemma »It's not an inconsistency. The lynch being frozen on Mind is a byproduct of the whole deal. Bad gamestates don't just happen, they're a result of the collective process of the players in the game. The game is where it is because Mind should have been lynched a week ago.
Quote from Gemma »It's not an inconsistency. The lynch being frozen on Mind is a byproduct of the whole deal. Bad gamestates don't just happen, they're a result of the collective process of the players in the game.
Quote from Gemma »And Nacho... I mean, he's made a lot of excellent posts, he looks very very town in words, but I just cannot get there on him. Partly because talking about how people are town is something he is very good at and can do for days as a wolf. But mostly because his pushes have been super underwhelming. So while I think he's town on balance I do have concerns there, but again there's little I can do to resolve him other than what I've tried to do so far. And he's put out so much content that I feel like if he was mafia I would have caught him by now, or at least had concrete suspicions and not just the mild concerns that I do have. But I haven't played with him in ages, and am not as confident about my ability to read him anymore. And this is partly why I'm happy not ending the day yet - he's promised a bunch more posts and I'm still hopeful that I can get there on him one way or the other.
Quote from Silvercrys3467 »re: Grape I ~kind of~ think he's town for reasons unrelated to his posts but at the same time it's uh. interesting that he voted tom for /barning DK's vezok case and then immediately said he thought wolves would have stayed off the wagon.
Quote from Killjoy »Somebody tell me what villager Rhand is doing this game. Rhand: Link me the best towngame you can and best scumgame you can. Recent doesn't matter. Your style hasn't changed in a while.
Quote from vezokpiraka »I think I'll just vote rhand. The 180 on KJ after KJ showed suspicion of him is pretty disturbing. It feels like Rhand is just poking around trying to make a wagon stick. His vote on me was also iffy. @Rhand: Why would misguided town have less conviction than scum trying to push you? Town usually have a lot more conviction in their reads regardless if they are wrong or right.
Quote from KittyCupCake »Activity aside, I still think the posts he actually made we're scummy.
Quote from Rhand »he doesn’t have a real reason for the tom vote.
Quote from Rhand »And he doesn’t have a real reason for the tom vote
Quote from Grapefruit21 »It's harder than usual to get into his mindset here
Quote from KittyCupCake »I thought you might not have realized how Tom was posting yet, which would have definitely made his unexplained vote look worse there, but I guess not. Anyway, I don't think this is a good assumption you and dk are stuck on. I'm townlean on both Tom and lw. Vez admitted her posts weren't very townie, and dk put together a strong case -that's going to gather votes. And considering how quick the push and claim were, it's likely scum weren't even active to get involved.
Quote from Grapefruit21 »I guess the tactic of explicitly asking Silver to ask me about my tom scum read lead people to believe I had no reason to vote him. Funny how that works. Anyway DK in particular did point to the contradiction in my post. I think there are more scum in the off wagons at Vez's peak but I believe tom is the most likely person to be scum because of that wagon. As DK helpfully mentioned Tom bandwagoned his vote as the wagon was really taking off. Tom in particular is a player who as scum believes in "killing town and worrying later". He's not one to get caught up on long term planning D1 but instead just wants to kill townies who make themselves easily killable. These sort of bandwagon votes are exactly the votes he likes to make as scum. Justifiable and on townies. After Vez's claim he just pivots to the Mind bangwagon with nothing to add. It's harder than usual to get into his mindset here but this is uncharacteristically "safe" play from tom. He's not taking any swings or rocking the boat heavily. The lack of boldness isn't a wolf tell by any means but it combined with the bandwagon votes is worrying. Even if he's not chasing it tom as both alignments usually has one big fish in his sights even if he's putting it on the backburner. Last thing that piqued my interest is his Rhand stance. It's all sorts of fishy to me. The pairings post wrt to KJ didn't add up and his evolution from Rhand being bottom 4 as of post 850 is particularly unsubstantiated. Then after my vote was placed he started pushing me over a TMI on silver (who he repeatedly states is town). 1096 accuses me of a TMI quoting a post where I wind up scum reading Silver over something that initially struck me as town. The implication here is so convoluted. If he read me correctly then he's saying I know Silver is scum so I'm "fixing" a read that felt town to me. Which is a fine accusation to make, but makes no sense when combined with a belief that Silver is town. So the other option is he thinks I'm TMI'ing by scum reading a townie (with a slight caveat that I overruled) which is just not what that phrase means or how he's used it in the past.
Quote from Grapefruit21 »I mean that's kind of exactly my point. It's simultaneously a wagon that is predominately likely to be townie and organic but tom's positioning is similar to how he likes to play as scum. I think the wagon looks good for most on it, but actively looks bad for tom because of how he plays as scum.
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Quote from tomsloger »Quote from Grapefruit21 »Part of me wants to town read that as scum like to avoid that sort of disconnect in their posts but the thrust of the intent feels anti town to me.I really wish I knew you back Before you knew too much (Who taught ya how to move like that Throw it back, you my old school crush) grapefruit scum
Quote from Grapefruit21 »Part of me wants to town read that as scum like to avoid that sort of disconnect in their posts but the thrust of the intent feels anti town to me.
Quote from dkingsland967 »I'm pretty sure KCC has multiple votes on her?
Quote from dkingsland967 »Gemma, a question for you since you seem to be intimately familiar with Nacho's game... is he the type of player who tends to lose steam as scum?
Quote from dkingsland967 » This is a really solid point, and Slothful's disappearing act doesn't look great for that slot considering both Gemma and fulcrum said they believed he could be active if he wanted to be.
Quote from KittyCupCake »Quote from Grapefruit21 »I mean that's kind of exactly my point. It's simultaneously a wagon that is predominately likely to be townie and organic but tom's positioning is similar to how he likes to play as scum. I think the wagon looks good for most on it, but actively looks bad for tom because of how he plays as scum. Okay, yeah, I agree, if Tom is scum, he happily hops on there. But, I don't think that means townTom doesn't make that vote too. Because I like his Vez vote there. And the mind vote after. And while I don't know exactly why Tom was scumlean on Rhand, I know I had suspicions there too for a bit, and I agree with where he is now that it's likely v/v.
Quote from Lastwhisper »vote: Vaimes
Quote from Lastwhisper »Vaimes also still has that one read on Keldeo/Mindreaver that just feels like straight TMI/shade
Quote from Gemma »Apparently. I didn't even remember voting her.
Quote from Gemma »Why do you get v/v from it / why is that strong enough to override your previous suspicion?
Quote from Rhand »@Grape: you give a conflicted read in this post. Why are you so sure the tmi tom accuses you of is about the second part of your sentence and not about the “part of me wants to town read that” part? Quote from tomsloger »Quote from Grapefruit21 »Part of me wants to town read that as scum like to avoid that sort of disconnect in their posts but the thrust of the intent feels anti town to me.I really wish I knew you back Before you knew too much (Who taught ya how to move like that Throw it back, you my old school crush) grapefruit scum
Quote from tomsloger »eh. as a community were sort of dicks to everyone. except vaimes.
Quote from Vaimes »Yeah, I tunneled Silver all game and now I'm going to magically try and save him.
Quote from Lastwhisper »@Gemma tbh id rather kill a lurker, but like Jackrito has still not given content, Keldeo has replaced Mind, so not going there, Grape looks ok? Vaimes is either just a wolf, or forcibly trying to change his meta, a longer day phase does not explain his disconnect from the game Vaimes also still has that one read on Keldeo/Mindreaver that just feels like straight TMI/shade
Quote from Vaimes »That is the point. Unvote, vote Axel The thing with him is I haven't really liked his targets. He's been poking slash making off-hand comments at KCC, KJ, Mind. Somewhat easy-to-justify targets, and he did mention that he doesn't have strong stances Day 1 but it's still very very eh, will check that out when I have time. I can't trim quotes and don't want to post a huge wall, but his ISO isn't that long. The one where he called out KCC for going V/LA without content seemed very out of character for him. I think the villager version of that post is "can you please post about xyz before you go?" or "when you get back, can you answer xyz questions I have for you?" or something Instead it's just shade for shade's sake. I'm also kind of weirded out by his interactions with Nacho. He looks like he should be a scumread for Axel, but isn't. Feels a little posture-y.
Quote from Silvercrys3467 »I guess Whisper's wolf read has been kind of long standing too so not sure I would characterize his as naked either, though Hmm.
Quote from Gemma »I want to lynch Sloth because he has no justifiable reason to be a vacant slot
Quote from Gemma »Quote from dkingsland967 » This is a really solid point, and Slothful's disappearing act doesn't look great for that slot considering both Gemma and fulcrum said they believed he could be active if he wanted to be. Until it became known that he had IRL issues. Scumreading him for that is a bad idea regardless.
Quote from Grapefruit21 »Then after my vote was placed he started pushing me over a TMI on silver (who he repeatedly states is town). 1096 accuses me of a TMI quoting a post where I wind up scum reading Silver over something that initially struck me as town. The implication here is so convoluted. If he read me correctly then he's saying I know Silver is scum so I'm "fixing" a read that felt town to me. Which is a fine accusation to make, but makes no sense when combined with a belief that Silver is town. So the other option is he thinks I'm TMI'ing by scum reading a townie (with a slight caveat that I overruled) which is just not what that phrase means or how he's used it in the past.
Quote from Grapefruit21 »I mean it could be but that would be an odd thing to read as TMI since it was basically a twtabw-esque read. Especially given that Tom's the one who coined the term hedgelord for me.
Quote from Lastwhisper »meh that Grapefruit scum read is the one read I dont really agree with on when it comes to Tom, not really seeing it and in a KCC being a wolf world, then Grape is more likely town than not, given how KCC chose to read him
Quote from Vaimes »@dk I didn't "wait" to do anything. I was voting Mind because I thought it might be best for gameflow reasons, and then KJ explicitly invited me back to Axel, so I moved back.
Quote from Vaimes »We had a small back and forth where she reassured she didn't find something or other I did as scummy, probably the "flailing," and the vote came almost right after I said I would be here tomorrow, which is now. Had I not followed up, sure I could see it, but it feels pretty pukey. I went over my Axel read fairly recently.Quote from Vaimes »That is the point. Unvote, vote Axel The thing with him is I haven't really liked his targets. He's been poking slash making off-hand comments at KCC, KJ, Mind. Somewhat easy-to-justify targets, and he did mention that he doesn't have strong stances Day 1 but it's still very very eh, will check that out when I have time. I can't trim quotes and don't want to post a huge wall, but his ISO isn't that long. The one where he called out KCC for going V/LA without content seemed very out of character for him. I think the villager version of that post is "can you please post about xyz before you go?" or "when you get back, can you answer xyz questions I have for you?" or something Instead it's just shade for shade's sake. I'm also kind of weirded out by his interactions with Nacho. He looks like he should be a scumread for Axel, but isn't. Feels a little posture-y. I'll look for yours a little later, unless you really want to chat now? I still have rereading to do.
Quote from Lastwhisper »@DK did kcc not give a town read or at least a psuedo townread on Grape with his thoughts on Grape not knowing there was a day chat? don't think that interaction is ever w/w
Quote from Rhand »Quote from Lastwhisper »@DK did kcc not give a town read or at least a psuedo townread on Grape with his thoughts on Grape not knowing there was a day chat? don't think that interaction is ever w/w Unless it's constructed in daychat (not that I think that's the case)
Quote from Gemma »KCC, it wasn't about you per se, and I wasn't trying to push your wagon.
Quote from Gemma »So what made you come around on Rhand?
Quote from Rhand »My main reason for the townread is the combination of him answering like that to Shadow in RVS and more importantly him scumreading me for my “weird” posting. People not understanding my thought process is why I get mislynched all the time, and the first one to go there is usually town: scum latch on to town afterwards.
Quote from Silvercrys3467 »Think there's equal chance Grape didn't read the OP as either alignment, if he's a wolf he still wouldn't know day chat is public info and might have tried to represent his lack of knowledge regarding it Not that I think that's the case either, but I don't think "didn't read the OP" is a great reason to town read him