well Im not voting Rhand solely because you are on it
ur last sentence is actually so wolfy...
you and vaimes have these reads on Mindreaver, that just feel like TMI, like everything just feels so reachy
and now you don't care if he is lynched?
we are not ending the day phase this early since we don't have enough posts from certain players to ascertain a possible alignment read on them without just straight-up winging it
Honest question, how many alignment reads do you really think you'll nail down on D1?
who said anything about nailing them? I like being able to place everyone somewhere, even if it's weak, and these day phases are 3 weeks, so it shouldn't be hard
and Silver actively defends Mind and now he's just like, "well if you wanna kill him, we should just end the dayphase now"
like wot?
I'd like you to justify that my read on Mindreaver is "reachy"
Gonna be pretty hard since I literally don't have one
nah I messed up somewhere or I misremembered some post
carry on with what your doing
Silver goes back to a town lean, and I am dropping my tunnel on him
also, everything I just mentioned about him is wrong since he's been on a mindreader low end scumlean all game
I admit my mistake
Yeah I was just about to post that Silver literally had Mindreaver in his lynch pile earlier today.
One thing I don't really agree with though is that he would just be a shrug lynch. It would be one thing if he was just endlessly PTAP'ing and we ran him up because lurker, but he's been promising content for a week and hasn't delivered. The over-the-top rant didn't do it for me, either.
It's a shrug lunch in the way of, basically everyone wants him dead and his wagon won't give more useful info if we wait for two weeks to do it
I'm fine waiting a few more days to see if he comes back or there's host action but I don't want the next two weeks to be people doing nothing while we wait for him
Dunno how I feel about this brief lastwhisper thing
Kind of think it's towny, like, if he's a wolf he probably didn't make up this thing to base his worldview around and then walk it back so fast lmao
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M1ndreaver has been prodded. I won't say the replacement situation is dire, but its not great and I'm giving it a few days more before I start assessing current/other options.
Hey, Vaimes, are you doing the thing again where you say "X can't be scum, because they would be trying harder to look town?" Because that's a super specific read that doesn't apply to Mind here. Also the **** is this?
Oh, important to note that I didn't just take out townreads, I removed people who wouldn't be good Day 1 lunches fmpov. tom because gimmick, KCC because claim, things like that.
Bruh, are you seriously removing tom because of a gimmick? Not like, his content, his reads, some of his decent reasonings? Is this a lack of interactions thing? What?
Can someone talk to me about Rhand? Maybe @KCC. His process with Nacho and Tom, and instinct(?) to jump in and defend them felt weird. How does he normally deal with early game pressure on people he doesn't think are scum?
I'm watching the Mindreaver wagon tentatively. Pretty okay to hop wagons in a little bit. He's done SOME interacting, so that's fine to pull data from and figure out what those interactions could mean.
Hey Asta, why do you feel like having those interactions to pull from is so important?
Rhand, I think is town. His first few posts made me uneasy for a bit, but then I realized he's probably making an effort to overexplain himself after Watchmen, where he caught me, but didn't spell out his case enough to get me lynched, and then got D1 lynched himself again for it.
Actually, I feel like my issues with his posts came from underexplaining more than over. Can you maybe quote some posts of his that show what you mean?
@Gemma: Vezok already was a scumread. That particular post bugs me because he belittles 400 posts worth of info.
Right, but where does it diverge from something she would do as town? Do you not think she could be annoyed as town by nothing happening (in her opinion) and respond that way?
Maybe I’m overthinking this because I just made a huge post about everything that happened so far before she said that.
But she did give me a townread because of that big post. Doing that and then believing nothing happened is weird? I think she skimmed my post rather than read it and threw a random townread my way because I’m showing effort, without digesting the fact that stuff did actually happen.
Feels like my Rhand vote is kind of wasted. Also feels like he's not really responding to me, though maybe that's because I'm not being clear/direct enough. Eh.
Vote: Slothful
Dude, you need to get your ***** together. If you're having trouble catching up, just respond to some of the newer things and live with missing information. If you're having trouble because the day length makes it hard to not put this off, consider this your kick in the ass.
I just dug through some of Rhand's recent games and didn't see him defending anyone this way as either alignment. He spends most of his time in ~all of them pushing wolf reads as far as I can tell.
I just dug through some of Rhand's recent games and didn't see him defending anyone this way as either alignment. He spends most of his time in ~all of them pushing wolf reads as far as I can tell.
Ehh.
Did you a notice any difference between town and scum with how he treated his townreads?
If you iso him in Hill House (town) and Eurovision (wolf), the last two minis we played, he barely spends any time on town reads in either game. He mostly just notes who they are with maybe a passing "because of this post" and spends most of his energy pushing and casing people.
I looked through a few others (Game of Thrones, wolf, Death in the Family, town, Arkham Horror, town) and they're pretty much all like that.
@fulcrum I'd prefer to lynch someone who has posted exclusively because, if we have interactions, we can examine them in light of how they flip. If Mind flips Mafia, then whoever they shaded could be town or, perhaps, mafia they tried to bus. I dunno-- I'd want to go back and read after the fact.
This month-long phase is exhausting tbh and dk would be my nemesis for suggesting it if not for being nice to me a few posts prior.
Honestly, Day1 searching just isn't a great time for me, I think, because we have such little real information to work with. I'll happily keep posting and moving stuff around however I can, but like.......... I'd rather have some concrete info before I really get energized in the sleuthing.
I'll dropkick Sloth if he fails to make it through the second Day1 of either game we're in when he pulled me into Mafia in the first place. Jackanape.
Hey, Vaimes, are you doing the thing again where you say "X can't be scum, because they would be trying harder to look town?" Because that's a super specific read that doesn't apply to Mind here. Also the **** is this?
Bruh, are you seriously removing tom because of a gimmick? Not like, his content, his reads, some of his decent reasonings? Is this a lack of interactions thing? What?
Can someone talk to me about Rhand? Maybe @KCC. His process with Nacho and Tom, and instinct(?) to jump in and defend them felt weird. How does he normally deal with early game pressure on people he doesn't think are scum?
I don't think Mind can't be scum, just that I don't find his complete absence scummy like other people seem to. There's always the chance that he's literally frozen and is just waiting for us to kill him, but even then I'd just shrug while voting him.
Yes, I seriously am, because I'm not the biggest fan of this game's gimmick. I'll come back to him if and when he becomes a point of discussion. Until then, there are what, sixteen other slots to read?
Bruh, are you seriously removing tom because of a gimmick? Not like, his content, his reads, some of his decent reasonings? Is this a lack of interactions thing? What?
If you flip scum, I'm going to mark down "fake incredulity" as a scumtell for you. Since when are you shocked how I handle tom? I always either tunnel, hard townread him, or mostly ignore him.
KCC is right about me this game.
I am good at finding town and scum early game. My last game I had the game (a micro) figured out on page 2 by correctly finding 1 scum and identifying all town, but I got lynched and we lost the game.
I don’t want that to happen again, so I am spending more energy explaining my town reads so that if I do get lynched (which seems inevitable lately), at least my thoughts are in thread and can help us in the later game.
It is frustrating to me that I somehow became a great D1 lynch this year.
(I will say I liked his last few posts, pretty sure he was saying something like "why don't you think Mindreaver is demotivated when he isn't posting" to Vaimes)
where is the clap emoji when u need it
I am not reading mind as wolfy because he is lurking, I am reading him as wolfy, because his posts dont feel like town trying to figure out the game, and saying he is going to do something and not over 3 days
the second part isnt wolfy in itself sure, but arguing that, "wouldnt wolf!mindreaver feel more obligated to post", is just all sorts of wrong
Rhand: yeah but he's not counting it due to lack of actually coming back when he promised he would. If someone ptaps and then doesn't return, then they can be replaced.
I'm actually not a huge fan of Axel's Mind post. Lots of information, little analysis. I'm also never for lynching lurkers d1. But I look forward to Axel's argument as to why he's better than other scummy people.
Well, I'm not sure what you were expecting. There's not much there to analyze, is there? But what there is, I posted. How about you analyze it if you're so disappointed with mine. Shouldn't take long.
As another point of contrast, I am perfectly happy to lynch lurkers D1.
Tom - Good luck. People are anemic to lynching him (see Modern where he somehow managed to skate for days as scum despite being more-or-less caught). From a personal standpoint, he has a scum-sided style of play that I have never been able to accurately read. FTR though, if it ever becomes clear that this is just a gimmick and not an actual posting restriction, I will unilaterally vote him until either he or I are dead.
Are you just joking here? Because I feel like it's totally a gimmick. I think he even lost the gimmick in one of his spoilers for just a sentence.
If you are simply expressing frustration here, I am with you.
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Do you have an actual read on tom or is he just in the pool for being hard to read through the rhymes?
(I will say I liked his last few posts, pretty sure he was saying something like "why don't you think Mindreaver is demotivated when he isn't posting" to Vaimes)
He's in the pool for not playing the game, "being hard to read" is not what he's doing. Would be a little more tolerable if over half the playerlist were also not playing the game, as is I just wish I had a dayvig with his name on it. I think trying to interpret his lyrics as anything meaningful is stupid.
I think I'd probably have Mind a lot lower than you do, been waiting for him to bring it and it hasn't been brought
The non-posters are indistinguishable to me. I want to lynch Sloth because he has no justifiable reason to be a vacant slot and I want to lynch KCC because I think her mild poke at fulcrum was eh, on the fake side.
Something like [Rhand/Vezok/Mind/fulcrum/KCC] in roughly that order for me I think
Not really interested in lynching fulcrum today, but yes my read on her is down in that territory. What's making you want to lynch her? I have a weaksauce nullscum read on her because she hasn't really done anything, despite being relatively active.
Vezok - Currently voting her, haven't been impressed with recent posts and interactions with Last
Rhand - He hasn't really moved the needle for me other than the weird posts regarding fulcrum and vezok. Silver's case was diminished by his response that the reads were in order of the player list and not tiered. I wouldn't oppose pressure, but he's not high on my list.
Tom - Good luck. People are anemic to lynching him (see Modern where he somehow managed to skate for days as scum despite being more-or-less caught). From a personal standpoint, he has a scum-sided style of play that I have never been able to accurately read. FTR though, if it ever becomes clear that this is just a gimmick and not an actual posting restriction, I will unilaterally vote him until either he or I are dead.
Sloth - Seems pointless ATM since he/she is probably about to get replaced.
KCC - I thought the claim was townie, but her inactivity is troublesome considering she's been a pretty consistent med-to-high volume poster in her last few games. An iso might be in order, alhough I don't know how much there is to look at.
Mind - Definitely game here, for reasons listed in previous post
Thanks for the response. So who is in your lynch pool? Mind and who else?
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[tom]'s in the pool for not playing the game, "being hard to read" is not what he's doing. Would be a little more tolerable if over half the playerlist were also not playing the game, as is I just wish I had a dayvig with his name on it. I think trying to interpret his lyrics as anything meaningful is stupid.
The non-posters are indistinguishable to me. I want to lynch Sloth because he has no justifiable reason to be a vacant slot and I want to lynch KCC because I think her mild poke at fulcrum was eh, on the fake side.
Yeah, I kind of have a history with Mindreaver and his, like, I don't really know how to explain it. When he was more active on the site a couple of years back I would absolutely have lunched him on the spot for making that bravado post and then not posting for days, it would have been pretty out of character for him.
Not really interested in lynching fulcrum today, but yes my read on her is down in that territory. What's making you want to lynch her? I have a weaksauce nullscum read on her because she hasn't really done anything, despite being relatively active.
Basically ~same? I think I always try to lunch one of Rhand/Mindreaver/Vezok first but if it's like, wagons on fulcrum + someone not on the list at EoD I'd probably vote her over whoever kind of thing.
Bruh, are you seriously removing tom because of a gimmick? Not like, his content, his reads, some of his decent reasonings? Is this a lack of interactions thing? What?
If you flip scum, I'm going to mark down "fake incredulity" as a scumtell for you. Since when are you shocked how I handle tom? I always either tunnel, hard townread him, or mostly ignore him.
Taking him out of your lynch pool isn't ignoring, it's defending.
Love, you haven't talked to me at all. Idk, do you want to talk about the Rhand thing? (I kind of assumed you would talk to me about that before. Figured you were ignoring me purposefully.)
Do you have an actual read on tom or is he just in the pool for being hard to read through the rhymes?
(I will say I liked his last few posts, pretty sure he was saying something like "why don't you think Mindreaver is demotivated when he isn't posting" to Vaimes)
He's in the pool for not playing the game, "being hard to read" is not what he's doing. Would be a little more tolerable if over half the playerlist were also not playing the game, as is I just wish I had a dayvig with his name on it. I think trying to interpret his lyrics as anything meaningful is stupid.
I think I'd probably have Mind a lot lower than you do, been waiting for him to bring it and it hasn't been brought
The non-posters are indistinguishable to me. I want to lynch Sloth because he has no justifiable reason to be a vacant slot and I want to lynch KCC because I think her mild poke at fulcrum was eh, on the fake side.
Something like [Rhand/Vezok/Mind/fulcrum/KCC] in roughly that order for me I think
Not really interested in lynching fulcrum today, but yes my read on her is down in that territory. What's making you want to lynch her? I have a weaksauce nullscum read on her because she hasn't really done anything, despite being relatively active.
Vezok - Currently voting her, haven't been impressed with recent posts and interactions with Last
Rhand - He hasn't really moved the needle for me other than the weird posts regarding fulcrum and vezok. Silver's case was diminished by his response that the reads were in order of the player list and not tiered. I wouldn't oppose pressure, but he's not high on my list.
Tom - Good luck. People are anemic to lynching him (see Modern where he somehow managed to skate for days as scum despite being more-or-less caught). From a personal standpoint, he has a scum-sided style of play that I have never been able to accurately read. FTR though, if it ever becomes clear that this is just a gimmick and not an actual posting restriction, I will unilaterally vote him until either he or I are dead.
Sloth - Seems pointless ATM since he/she is probably about to get replaced.
KCC - I thought the claim was townie, but her inactivity is troublesome considering she's been a pretty consistent med-to-high volume poster in her last few games. An iso might be in order, alhough I don't know how much there is to look at.
Mind - Definitely game here, for reasons listed in previous post
Thanks for the response. So who is in your lynch pool? Mind and who else?
Dude, you need to get your ***** together. If you're having trouble catching up, just respond to some of the newer things and live with missing information. If you're having trouble because the day length makes it hard to not put this off, consider this your kick in the ass.
I don't think Mind can't be scum, just that I don't find his complete absence scummy like other people seem to. There's always the chance that he's literally frozen and is just waiting for us to kill him, but even then I'd just shrug while voting him.
What does this mean? I believe this is the second time I've seen the term used in this game and I don't know what you guys mean by it.
Vezok - Currently voting her, haven't been impressed with recent posts and interactions with Last
Rhand - He hasn't really moved the needle for me other than the weird posts regarding fulcrum and vezok. Silver's case was diminished by his response that the reads were in order of the player list and not tiered. I wouldn't oppose pressure, but he's not high on my list.
Tom - Good luck. People are anemic to lynching him (see Modern where he somehow managed to skate for days as scum despite being more-or-less caught). From a personal standpoint, he has a scum-sided style of play that I have never been able to accurately read. FTR though, if it ever becomes clear that this is just a gimmick and not an actual posting restriction, I will unilaterally vote him until either he or I are dead.
Sloth - Seems pointless ATM since he/she is probably about to get replaced.
KCC - I thought the claim was townie, but her inactivity is troublesome considering she's been a pretty consistent med-to-high volume poster in her last few games. An iso might be in order, alhough I don't know how much there is to look at.
Mind - Definitely game here, for reasons listed in previous post
Thanks for the response. So who is in your lynch pool? Mind and who else?
I've got scum reads on vezok and Mindreaver. I'm suspicious of KCC, Tom if he is indeed using a gimmick, and [REDACTED]. I'm playing that last one close to the vest for now because I want to collect more data points before going public with it.
FROZEN is a meme from MafiaUniverse (I think?). It bsically means that someone isn't posting because they don't know what to say rather than for some other reason (and are therefore probably a wolf because villagers usually post without caring how they're perceived).
Before I go, if you look at the way Rhand treated the first scumreads on Nacho and his read of tom, there's a pattern of him giving too /much/ credit to other people's thought process, and assuming it's like his own. It feels weird and spewy.
I understand the vaguely TMI aspect to his tom and Nacho stuff (I think), but I think that would be something to look at if he flipped red and not so much to support a scumread? Yes/no? Um, I don't follow what you mean by "assuming it's like his own" though sorry, or how that relates to his alignment iyo.
Do you two know Slothful outside of this game/site? Is there a specific reason you are both wary of his inactivity here that you're able to discuss?
He's from DLP, was just in a DLP game where he was active, is no conceivable reason why he's not posting other than being frozen, he should have been excited about randing town with fulcrum/me/others.
I've got scum reads on vezok and Mindreaver. I'm suspicious of KCC, Tom if he is indeed using a gimmick, and [REDACTED]. I'm playing that last one close to the vest for now because I want to collect more data points before going public with it.
Ew, hiding reads, ew. Ok, how about you post everything you think about vezok, from her posts to the way people have treated her and everything in between, then I post everything I think about vezok, and we see if there's any common ground and talk about which parts are any good?
Gemma: My point is that lynching lurkers on Day 1 is not... really serving the ultimate goal of this game. The wincon says lynch ALL scum. Lynching people who haven't really started playing the game doesn't serve that. It would be like having a song stuck in your head... and for a solution to that, you just get a different song stuck there. The original song is gone so, problem solved, right? Nope, now you have a different problem.
I'm not like, diehard against lynching lurkers EVER (like never ever do it), but just... like take into account the other players and sort it into the PoE.
As far as Mindreaver goes, aside from that one post that was weird, I haven't really seen anything AI that I've really noticed from him. For the most part he's just not participating. Maybe it's because he's scum but without something a bit more, like, obviously linked to what's going on in his head, I'm not inclined to push him this early. He's very low priority for me. (Rhand This is a response to your question as well.)
I guess there could be some relevance to all this if he's town (wagonomics). But if he's town I'd rather he be replaced and have someone who plays fill the slot anyway.
Also Gemma: What do you think of dk's response to you in 723? I for one always take "this is exactly what I was thinking" with a very large grain of salt.
dkings: As I said above, yes he's currently not doing anything, but that in and of itself doesn't mean much. He's probably also very far behind in the game and catching up can be demotivating as well. There are viable reasons that aren't just "he's scum" for things, so unless you know for meta reasons that he lurks like this as scum, then I am, like I said, not inclined to go there rignt now.
I do agree that his Hulk Hogan bravado is a bit over the top, and I do think that that could be a tell, maybe. Depends on personality, which will require some research from me to sort out. As far as feigning intent, I've done exactly what he's done before. "Oh, I'm catching up right now" then getting distracted and never finishing. I'm willing to cut him slack there. I actually do recall seeing the "reeked of frustration" comment as weird. It also could be a thing. Given the number of possible "things", I would want to pressure that slot, but again, he's not here.
dkings: regarding 728, are you scumreading either me or KCC individually? Connecting a 'buddying vibe' to a post implies a scumread somewhere, otherwise it's just soneone stating an opinion that they think is true. She referenced it in Watchmen, trying to get my lynched because she didn't see it (which was a lie, obv). Others like tom have referenced it as well in other games (Eurovision I think) so it's kind of a recent meta thing.
Gemma: I'm gonna continue to use you as my go-to Fulcrum Whisperer, so I hope you don't mind. in 759, following "Someone talk to me about Rhand" does she usually make posts like that about people who's alignment she doesn't know?
@tom: Rhand's not on your list. Does that mean he's null or something? I notice you're missing 4 non-you people.
Axel: I'm not the one advocating his lynch. I'm not the one making a case. Like I said, I was hoping for something saying why he's better than, like, Rhand or something. Or are you scumreading Mind enough to merit a legitimate lynch D1?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Gemma: I'm gonna continue to use you as my go-to Fulcrum Whisperer, so I hope you don't mind. in 759, following "Someone talk to me about Rhand" does she usually make posts like that about people who's alignment she doesn't know?
Oh, I didn't know people were doing that. Um, sure, you can do that I guess. Are you talking about KCC? Yes, she does.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Also Gemma: What do you think of dk's response to you in 723? I for one always take "this is exactly what I was thinking" with a very large grain of salt.
Well, it doesn't move the needle for me, but I don't really have a reason to disbelieve him. Don't think it's worth giving any thought to really?
@Gemma, kind of rich of you to say I'm not doing things when you know how my process works. If you have questions, ask me.
I don't really remember how your process works, it's been near a year since we played together, why don't you sit on me and make me remember
I like to take my time. I find that writing my conclusions down makes them, like, stick? more in my head. It makes my thought process less fluid. I know we've talked about this before. With a much longer Day phase, I'm trying to take advantage, poke for info, and let my thoughts stay in that fluid state. The poking, also, uh, helps me stay engaged, when in the past mtgs Day lengths have bored me out of my mind.
I'm willing to work out some things before I'm ready, both as way to help other town bounce ideas and as a concession that this isn't dlp, and I actually have to project some towniness to not get run up. Ask me things, talk about your reads to me and ask for my thoughts?
Before I go, if you look at the way Rhand treated the first scumreads on Nacho and his read of tom, there's a pattern of him giving too /much/ credit to other people's thought process, and assuming it's like his own. It feels weird and spewy.
I understand the vaguely TMI aspect to his tom and Nacho stuff (I think), but I think that would be something to look at if he flipped red and not so much to support a scumread? Yes/no? Um, I don't follow what you mean by "assuming it's like his own" though sorry, or how that relates to his alignment iyo.
Why did you think that I was ignoring you?
You said you unvoted Rhand in part because you felt like it let me blank vote. I expected you to ask about the vote, or later, when I posted why, to talk to me about that. Instead, you just talked around me for some reason?
It kind of felt like no one was interested in it, not just you, which is .. weird. Maybe it's just a different people/meta kind of thing. Maybe it's something else.
@Gemma, kind of rich of you to say I'm not doing things when you know how my process works. If you have questions, ask me.
I don't really remember how your process works, it's been near a year since we played together, why don't you sit on me and make me remember
I like to take my time. I find that writing my conclusions down makes them, like, stick? more in my head. It makes my thought process less fluid. I know we've talked about this before. With a much longer Day phase, I'm trying to take advantage, poke for info, and let my thoughts stay in that fluid state. The poking, also, uh, helps me stay engaged, when in the past mtgs Day lengths have bored me out of my mind.
I'm willing to work out some things before I'm ready, both as way to help other town bounce ideas and as a concession that this isn't dlp, and I actually have to project some towniness to not get run up. Ask me things, talk about your reads to me and ask for my thoughts?
Thanks babe. It's all coming back to me.
Don't think you're at risk of being run up? Respond to #785?
You said you unvoted Rhand in part because you felt like it let me blank vote. I expected you to ask about the vote, or later, when I posted why, to talk to me about that. Instead, you just talked around me for some reason?
It kind of felt like no one was interested in it, not just you, which is .. weird. Maybe it's just a different people/meta kind of thing. Maybe it's something else.
Look at the quote in 785 please. I did talk you.
I also felt like no one was interested in it, and was similarly weirded about by that. Don't know if it's because Rhand is mafia and town is lethargic or because of some other reason.
Talk to me about Killjoy? My townread on Killjoy is mostly a presence read. Long posts, lots of thoughts, small posts, tinkering around, insistent, dipping out, more long posts... I think he's inside the game in a very human way, am I wrong? Look at the trajectory of his treatment of me and think about the level he'd have to be playing to be mafia through all that, compared to your sense of his skill level overall. Tell me if you think I'm seeing something I want to see rather than what's there. Look at the way he checks the gamestate in 446, tell me if you think that thought would have occurred to town!him there. Am I missing anything?
Do you two know Slothful outside of this game/site? Is there a specific reason you are both wary of his inactivity here that you're able to discuss?
He's from DLP, was just in a DLP game where he was active, is no conceivable reason why he's not posting other than being frozen, he should have been excited about randing town with fulcrum/me/others.
Gonna be pretty hard since I literally don't have one
and Silver actively defends Mind and now he's just like, "well if you wanna kill him, we should just end the dayphase now"
like wot?
this is why I should just walk away when I get emotional
carry on with what your doing
Silver goes back to a town lean, and I am dropping my tunnel on him
also, everything I just mentioned about him is wrong since he's been on a mindreader low end scumlean all game
I admit my mistake
One thing I don't really agree with though is that he would just be a shrug lynch. It would be one thing if he was just endlessly PTAP'ing and we ran him up because lurker, but he's been promising content for a week and hasn't delivered. The over-the-top rant didn't do it for me, either.
I'm fine waiting a few more days to see if he comes back or there's host action but I don't want the next two weeks to be people doing nothing while we wait for him
Dunno how I feel about this brief lastwhisper thing
Kind of think it's towny, like, if he's a wolf he probably didn't make up this thing to base his worldview around and then walk it back so fast lmao
With 17 Alive it takes 9 to Lynch
Hey, Vaimes, are you doing the thing again where you say "X can't be scum, because they would be trying harder to look town?" Because that's a super specific read that doesn't apply to Mind here. Also the **** is this?
Bruh, are you seriously removing tom because of a gimmick? Not like, his content, his reads, some of his decent reasonings? Is this a lack of interactions thing? What?
Can someone talk to me about Rhand? Maybe @KCC. His process with Nacho and Tom, and instinct(?) to jump in and defend them felt weird. How does he normally deal with early game pressure on people he doesn't think are scum?
Hey Asta, why do you feel like having those interactions to pull from is so important?
Actually, I feel like my issues with his posts came from underexplaining more than over. Can you maybe quote some posts of his that show what you mean?
Eh, I can see this.
Vote: Slothful
Dude, you need to get your ***** together. If you're having trouble catching up, just respond to some of the newer things and live with missing information. If you're having trouble because the day length makes it hard to not put this off, consider this your kick in the ass.
Ehh.
Did you a notice any difference between town and scum with how he treated his townreads?
If you iso him in Hill House (town) and Eurovision (wolf), the last two minis we played, he barely spends any time on town reads in either game. He mostly just notes who they are with maybe a passing "because of this post" and spends most of his energy pushing and casing people.
I looked through a few others (Game of Thrones, wolf, Death in the Family, town, Arkham Horror, town) and they're pretty much all like that.
This month-long phase is exhausting tbh and dk would be my nemesis for suggesting it if not for being nice to me a few posts prior.
Honestly, Day1 searching just isn't a great time for me, I think, because we have such little real information to work with. I'll happily keep posting and moving stuff around however I can, but like.......... I'd rather have some concrete info before I really get energized in the sleuthing.
I'll dropkick Sloth if he fails to make it through the second Day1 of either game we're in when he pulled me into Mafia in the first place. Jackanape.
Yes, I seriously am, because I'm not the biggest fan of this game's gimmick. I'll come back to him if and when he becomes a point of discussion. Until then, there are what, sixteen other slots to read?
I am good at finding town and scum early game. My last game I had the game (a micro) figured out on page 2 by correctly finding 1 scum and identifying all town, but I got lynched and we lost the game.
I don’t want that to happen again, so I am spending more energy explaining my town reads so that if I do get lynched (which seems inevitable lately), at least my thoughts are in thread and can help us in the later game.
It is frustrating to me that I somehow became a great D1 lynch this year.
Gemma/silver
kj/asta/dkings/axel
fulcrum/vaimes
vezok
mind
I am not reading mind as wolfy because he is lurking, I am reading him as wolfy, because his posts dont feel like town trying to figure out the game, and saying he is going to do something and not over 3 days
the second part isnt wolfy in itself sure, but arguing that, "wouldnt wolf!mindreaver feel more obligated to post", is just all sorts of wrong
Why give up before we try
Feel the lows before the highs
As another point of contrast, I am perfectly happy to lynch lurkers D1.
Are you just joking here? Because I feel like it's totally a gimmick. I think he even lost the gimmick in one of his spoilers for just a sentence.
If you are simply expressing frustration here, I am with you.
He's in the pool for not playing the game, "being hard to read" is not what he's doing. Would be a little more tolerable if over half the playerlist were also not playing the game, as is I just wish I had a dayvig with his name on it. I think trying to interpret his lyrics as anything meaningful is stupid.
The non-posters are indistinguishable to me. I want to lynch Sloth because he has no justifiable reason to be a vacant slot and I want to lynch KCC because I think her mild poke at fulcrum was eh, on the fake side.
Not really interested in lynching fulcrum today, but yes my read on her is down in that territory. What's making you want to lynch her? I have a weaksauce nullscum read on her because she hasn't really done anything, despite being relatively active.
Thanks for the response. So who is in your lynch pool? Mind and who else?
Heard he grew into a man and put his family on his back
Had a master plan, Da Vinci code, nobody couldn't crack
Even when times got difficult, he kept on slangin' rap
Serving nothin but that gas cause the walls are full of plaques
In the center of your solar system, shinin' on the daily
Yeah, I kind of have a history with Mindreaver and his, like, I don't really know how to explain it. When he was more active on the site a couple of years back I would absolutely have lunched him on the spot for making that bravado post and then not posting for days, it would have been pretty out of character for him.
Basically ~same? I think I always try to lunch one of Rhand/Mindreaver/Vezok first but if it's like, wagons on fulcrum + someone not on the list at EoD I'd probably vote her over whoever kind of thing.
Taking him out of your lynch pool isn't ignoring, it's defending.
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Love, you haven't talked to me at all. Idk, do you want to talk about the Rhand thing? (I kind of assumed you would talk to me about that before. Figured you were ignoring me purposefully.)
@Gemma, kind of rich of you to say I'm not doing things when you know how my process works. If you have questions, ask me.
Do you two know Slothful outside of this game/site? Is there a specific reason you are both wary of his inactivity here that you're able to discuss?
What does this mean? I believe this is the second time I've seen the term used in this game and I don't know what you guys mean by it.
I've got scum reads on vezok and Mindreaver. I'm suspicious of KCC, Tom if he is indeed using a gimmick, and [REDACTED]. I'm playing that last one close to the vest for now because I want to collect more data points before going public with it.
Why did you think that I was ignoring you?
Frozen = frozen in fear, deer in headlights style, happens when mafia have no idea what to do.
Ew, hiding reads, ew. Ok, how about you post everything you think about vezok, from her posts to the way people have treated her and everything in between, then I post everything I think about vezok, and we see if there's any common ground and talk about which parts are any good?
I'm not like, diehard against lynching lurkers EVER (like never ever do it), but just... like take into account the other players and sort it into the PoE.
As far as Mindreaver goes, aside from that one post that was weird, I haven't really seen anything AI that I've really noticed from him. For the most part he's just not participating. Maybe it's because he's scum but without something a bit more, like, obviously linked to what's going on in his head, I'm not inclined to push him this early. He's very low priority for me. (Rhand This is a response to your question as well.)
I guess there could be some relevance to all this if he's town (wagonomics). But if he's town I'd rather he be replaced and have someone who plays fill the slot anyway.
Also Gemma: What do you think of dk's response to you in 723? I for one always take "this is exactly what I was thinking" with a very large grain of salt.
dkings: As I said above, yes he's currently not doing anything, but that in and of itself doesn't mean much. He's probably also very far behind in the game and catching up can be demotivating as well. There are viable reasons that aren't just "he's scum" for things, so unless you know for meta reasons that he lurks like this as scum, then I am, like I said, not inclined to go there rignt now.
I do agree that his Hulk Hogan bravado is a bit over the top, and I do think that that could be a tell, maybe. Depends on personality, which will require some research from me to sort out. As far as feigning intent, I've done exactly what he's done before. "Oh, I'm catching up right now" then getting distracted and never finishing. I'm willing to cut him slack there. I actually do recall seeing the "reeked of frustration" comment as weird. It also could be a thing. Given the number of possible "things", I would want to pressure that slot, but again, he's not here.
dkings: regarding 728, are you scumreading either me or KCC individually? Connecting a 'buddying vibe' to a post implies a scumread somewhere, otherwise it's just soneone stating an opinion that they think is true. She referenced it in Watchmen, trying to get my lynched because she didn't see it (which was a lie, obv). Others like tom have referenced it as well in other games (Eurovision I think) so it's kind of a recent meta thing.
Gemma: I'm gonna continue to use you as my go-to Fulcrum Whisperer, so I hope you don't mind. in 759, following "Someone talk to me about Rhand" does she usually make posts like that about people who's alignment she doesn't know?
@tom: Rhand's not on your list. Does that mean he's null or something? I notice you're missing 4 non-you people.
Axel: I'm not the one advocating his lynch. I'm not the one making a case. Like I said, I was hoping for something saying why he's better than, like, Rhand or something. Or are you scumreading Mind enough to merit a legitimate lynch D1?
Oh, I didn't know people were doing that. Um, sure, you can do that I guess. Are you talking about KCC? Yes, she does.
I like to take my time. I find that writing my conclusions down makes them, like, stick? more in my head. It makes my thought process less fluid. I know we've talked about this before. With a much longer Day phase, I'm trying to take advantage, poke for info, and let my thoughts stay in that fluid state. The poking, also, uh, helps me stay engaged, when in the past mtgs Day lengths have bored me out of my mind.
I'm willing to work out some things before I'm ready, both as way to help other town bounce ideas and as a concession that this isn't dlp, and I actually have to project some towniness to not get run up. Ask me things, talk about your reads to me and ask for my thoughts?
You said you unvoted Rhand in part because you felt like it let me blank vote. I expected you to ask about the vote, or later, when I posted why, to talk to me about that. Instead, you just talked around me for some reason?
It kind of felt like no one was interested in it, not just you, which is .. weird. Maybe it's just a different people/meta kind of thing. Maybe it's something else.
Dk, I know that if Sloth wanted to play the game, he'd have time for it.
Don't think you're at risk of being run up? Respond to #785?
I also felt like no one was interested in it, and was similarly weirded about by that. Don't know if it's because Rhand is mafia and town is lethargic or because of some other reason.
Talk to me about Killjoy? My townread on Killjoy is mostly a presence read. Long posts, lots of thoughts, small posts, tinkering around, insistent, dipping out, more long posts... I think he's inside the game in a very human way, am I wrong? Look at the trajectory of his treatment of me and think about the level he'd have to be playing to be mafia through all that, compared to your sense of his skill level overall. Tell me if you think I'm seeing something I want to see rather than what's there. Look at the way he checks the gamestate in 446, tell me if you think that thought would have occurred to town!him there. Am I missing anything?
Well... that doesn't inspire a lot of confidence about the slot.