Welp, there’s no way I’m getting caught up anywhere close to soon. I’m in disaster recovering mode at work since Friday, and on call perpetually, so I’m not even gonna try, since it’s either get sleep or backread 250 posts; someone give me the quick and dirty or what’s gone down since around post 100, with some color commentary. Most entertaining/useful answer gets something special
It's day 1. You missed almost nothing. KCC claimed a scummy role and nacho tried some rolefishing to get to claim. KCC refused.
Otherwise it's just people bickering about unimportant stuff.
This post… 398 posts in the game and you think there’s nothing?
vote Vezok
Rhand, could you explain why you think this is a scummy post from vezok, and why this caught your attention over everything else?
My cruise starts today. I will be very busy until the 24th of December.
I generally do manage to stay caught up and post, but my activity will be lower and I’ll be mainly restricted to phone posting.
Before I go, if you look at the way Rhand treated the first scumreads on Nacho and his read of tom, there's a pattern of him giving too /much/ credit to other people's thought process, and assuming it's like his own. It feels weird and spewy.
I understand the vaguely TMI aspect to his tom and Nacho stuff (I think), but I think that would be something to look at if he flipped red and not so much to support a scumread? Yes/no? Um, I don't follow what you mean by "assuming it's like his own" though sorry, or how that relates to his alignment iyo.
@Gemma: Vezok already was a scumread. That particular post bugs me because he belittles 400 posts worth of info.
Right, but where does it diverge from something she would do as town? Do you not think she could be annoyed as town by nothing happening (in her opinion) and respond that way?
@last why do you think it's more likely me or Vaimes will get lunched if we're town?
Posts like these seem sincere and don't seem to come from scum mastermind silver who is feigning the coming up with the question. I don't know why you have him as scum.
Slothful has also just been absent yet you have him as lean scum. What exactly of his early posting made you think he is scum?
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@Gemma: Vezok already was a scumread. That particular post bugs me because he belittles 400 posts worth of info.
Right, but where does it diverge from something she would do as town? Do you not think she could be annoyed as town by nothing happening (in her opinion) and respond that way?
Maybe I’m overthinking this because I just made a huge post about everything that happened so far before she said that.
But she did give me a townread because of that big post. Doing that and then believing nothing happened is weird? I think she skimmed my post rather than read it and threw a random townread my way because I’m showing effort, without digesting the fact that stuff did actually happen.
I don't see him as a wolf, I just don't see him as town, he seems to be fighting the people I think are wolves for reasons I don't find valid, that's valid enough reason for me.
More so vaimes though with his thoughts that feel like TMI, "haha this is so town"
Mindreaver also never came back and gave thoughts like he said he was, this is the same crap I pull as a wolf, I talk about intent but never put any effort into doing it
I've got an engagement this afternoon and don't know when I'll get back. Not too much happening. So, even though I am loathe to leave voting someone who hasn't posted at all, I'm going here:
Here is what's up for all you people for whom my disconnected posts are some reason to think I'm an easy mislynch. I'm not. I'm coming for you. And it's the biggest mistake you've made this game. I'm channeling my inner Sir Chris a bit ( an undeserved omage, I'm not half the player he is) but come at me, you've had me at a disadvantage where I was catch up posting in places to try and participate quickly, and come tomorrow that ***** is over, no more jetlag, hotel beds, and time zone switches, no more 10 hour days and team building at night, so yeah I'll be reading all 15 pages you guys write overnight and then I'll be so legit, you'll wish you rolled town with me. But if you're gonna bring that weak ass ***** where I somehow put a gif in the middle of some other irrelevant bull***** on day 4 of a three week day, and that's the best you got... buckle up mofos.
I don't really know how to do the gif thing, but just imagine I posted one that was really snarky.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Hey!
So that "be back on Tuesday" line was clearly just a line and things were kinda wild for my side of things. But I'm back!
Catching up now on...nearly 1000 posts. ...ugh.
I'll respond as I go along, so sorry if I ask something that was already answered but I had not yet gotten to.
It's a little early for a full-on PBPA, but, given nothing else is going on, and that he only has the 10 posts, I did it anyway.
Mindreaver:
Post 1: Intro post. Perhaps an obvious question. Nothing to see here.
Post 2: Thinks "Hi" is the towniest LW entrance he's seen in a while. Nothing to see here.
Post 3: His "gif" post, correcting someone's wrong answer to a silly request. Still basically joking around. Perhaps a tad less fine at this point.
Post 4: First real post. Tells us to pace ourselves. Tells us he will be able to post more later (theme). Says it will soon be obvious he's Town because when he's scum his energy level is in the toilet and he can't even fake it. Hmmmm. Asks Tom to make him a poem? Actually, there isn't much in this post either.
Post 5: Okay, so this is his first real post. He comments on Nacho/KCC. Thinks Nacho is coming across like he wants to be the big **** on campus, but is Town-reading him for it. Says he doesn't think KCC's softclaim is important regardless if KCC is Town or scum, but cautions that scum-daychat means that scum could have collectively come up with a claim for her.
Votes Vez, because all her posts so far have been very "surface level." Gives some examples of what he means by this. Which is perfectly fine as far as it goes. Town reads on Vaimes/Rhand. "Null" on Silver.
This post is fine. The case is fine as a very, very early stage case (although, complaining that someone is using shallow reasoning for their votes in the first 200 post of the game is not in any way compelling). He's at least giving some opinions.
Post 6: Tells Vez that the fact it's early doesn't mean she can just vote people for no reason and not get called on it. Appears to be complaining that no one is talking to him. Then throws out several quick bullet questions to people. Eh. If any of this was actually followed up on it would be better.
Post 7: Apologizes for not posting. Promises to post tomorrow. Excuses.
Post 8: Apologizes for not posting. Promises to post in the next few hours.
Post 9: "Hot takes." Answers a question from Killjoy. Says he was looking for "frustration" among possible teammates of lurking scum, but hasn't seen it yet (except also says the DK wagon "reeks" of it, so I don't know what he is saying) Seems to be expressing suspicion of KJ by the end of this post, but it's so disjointed I'm not even sure I'm reading it right.
Post 10: "Mike drop"/It's on now post. Come tomorrow, he's back! And all those people pushing him for lurking/not contributing are gonna rue the day!
That was 3 days ago.
So, I kinda just want him dead just for that bit alone. Otherwise, there's not much here. Obviously.
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I mean, if you disagree with my assessment of the current state of the game, feel free to correct it.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
It's a little early for a full-on PBPA, but, given nothing else is going on, and that he only has the 10 posts, I did it anyway.
Mindreaver:
Post 1: Intro post. Perhaps an obvious question. Nothing to see here.
Post 2: Thinks "Hi" is the towniest LW entrance he's seen in a while. Nothing to see here.
Post 3: His "gif" post, correcting someone's wrong answer to a silly request. Still basically joking around. Perhaps a tad less fine at this point.
Post 4: First real post. Tells us to pace ourselves. Tells us he will be able to post more later (theme). Says it will soon be obvious he's Town because when he's scum his energy level is in the toilet and he can't even fake it. Hmmmm. Asks Tom to make him a poem? Actually, there isn't much in this post either.
Post 5: Okay, so this is his first real post. He comments on Nacho/KCC. Thinks Nacho is coming across like he wants to be the big **** on campus, but is Town-reading him for it. Says he doesn't think KCC's softclaim is important regardless if KCC is Town or scum, but cautions that scum-daychat means that scum could have collectively come up with a claim for her.
Votes Vez, because all her posts so far have been very "surface level." Gives some examples of what he means by this. Which is perfectly fine as far as it goes. Town reads on Vaimes/Rhand. "Null" on Silver.
This post is fine. The case is fine as a very, very early stage case (although, complaining that someone is using shallow reasoning for their votes in the first 200 post of the game is not in any way compelling). He's at least giving some opinions.
Post 6: Tells Vez that the fact it's early doesn't mean she can just vote people for no reason and not get called on it. Appears to be complaining that no one is talking to him. Then throws out several quick bullet questions to people. Eh. If any of this was actually followed up on it would be better.
Post 7: Apologizes for not posting. Promises to post tomorrow. Excuses.
Post 8: Apologizes for not posting. Promises to post in the next few hours.
Post 9: "Hot takes." Answers a question from Killjoy. Says he was looking for "frustration" among possible teammates of lurking scum, but hasn't seen it yet (except also says the DK wagon "reeks" of it, so I don't know what he is saying) Seems to be expressing suspicion of KJ by the end of this post, but it's so disjointed I'm not even sure I'm reading it right.
Post 10: "Mike drop"/It's on now post. Come tomorrow, he's back! And all those people pushing him for lurking/not contributing are gonna rue the day!
That was 3 days ago.
So, I kinda just want him dead just for that bit alone. Otherwise, there's not much here. Obviously.
Rhand: yeah but he's not counting it due to lack of actually coming back when he promised he would. If someone ptaps and then doesn't return, then they can be replaced.
I'm actually not a huge fan of Axel's Mind post. Lots of information, little analysis. I'm also never for lynching lurkers d1. But I look forward to Axel's argument as to why he's better than other scummy people.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Well, um, out of 17 players, we have 8 active and the rest somewhere between barely active and replaced out... unless you find reasoning like "they made 1 more post than the other non-players" to be particularly compelling or exciting in some way, wouldn't hold your breath if I were you.
So the weekend was busier than anticipated and I wound up barely able to skim, let alone post. Getting into it nyaow!
Last, just curious, why are you against someone bouncing thoughts off your post? It seems like a weird thing to be prickly over.
Tom is......... getting a little easier to understand as I continue to read his posts. Except when he's just wholesale quoting. Dude made me read Iggy Azalea lyrics in the Year of Our Lord 2019 so that's less than great!
I'm watching the Mindreaver wagon tentatively. Pretty okay to hop wagons in a little bit. He's done SOME interacting, so that's fine to pull data from and figure out what those interactions could mean.
When I voted Rhand, the main thing I was looking at was the quote below, which I'll go over also below. I unvoted because I felt frustrated that my naked voted had led Killjoy and fulcrum to feel excused to also naked vote. I realize that my playstyle in its natural state is often less than pro-town, and I have to change that because it seems it reinforces others to play in a similar way, and that's bad for the game. So I disengaged, and waited with the hope that Killjoy or fulcrum or others would look at Rhand and provide their own thoughts. That didn't happen.
I like fulcrum more and more. I don't know why she'd try to provide so many reasonable propositions for why I acted the way I did if she was scum.
KCC voting fulcrum feels ???? I don't feel like that post is smearing tom. Fulcrum is asking a question to another person and not really attacking tom. I also agree that tom's gimmick makes his post unreadable. I skipped all of them simply because I have no idea what he is trying to say in them. I only read the bolded parts. Don't feel like tom's scum though. He does these gimmicks all the time and drops them when stuff becomes serious.
Vezok likes defending Fulcrum a lot.
And then this answer by Fulcrum:
I like fulcrum more and more. I don't know why she'd try to provide so many reasonable propositions for why I acted the way I did if she was scum.
Uhh,I could have been trying to pocket you? Have you never been pocketed?
I can definitely see them aligned.
With that pocket remark, Fulcrum being scum without Vezok being a buddy would be very strange. Why would scum ever confess pocketing to town?
What I dislike about this is pretty simple, and I'll go over it in two parts.
If Rhand is mafia here, then what he's doing is, I think, one of two things:
1. He's trying to tie a scumread on one more scummy town (vezok) to a less scummy town (fulcrum) in order to support a scumread on the less scummy town.
2. He's trying to tie a scumread on one of his partners to a town, in order to justify a scumread on the town and make the town look bad in the event Rhand's partner flips down the line.
To analyze #2 further, I think that, in a vacuum, vezok would be the more likely partner, simply because of the relative strength of vezok and fulcrum as players. fulcum has a strong scumgame, is typically the leader of her scum team, and vezok appears to have a reputation as a scummy town. This makes it unlikely, I think, that Rhand would think to try to tie fulcrum's scum flip to vezok, in order to get what would appear to be a not particularly difficult mislynch. fulcum, on the other hand, is very difficult to mislynch, and it seems more likely that scum would want to resort to tying flipped scum to her in order to mislynch her, or at least discredit her. None of this has to do with my read on either vezok or fulcrum in this game (hence "in a vacuum").
Put all that aside for the time being. It doesn't come into play unless Rhand is actually scum.
Please make more posts like this. I feel much better about you now (not sarcasm).
What you pointed out here is exactly what I was thinking when I said I was earmarking Rhand's post for later. But, as you said, it's the type of thing that isn't worth dwelling on until we know Rhand's alignment.
@last why do you think it's more likely me or Vaimes will get lunched if we're town?
Posts like these seem sincere and don't seem to come from scum mastermind silver who is feigning the coming up with the question. I don't know why you have him as scum.
This is an oddly low-impact post to choose to illustrate Silver's sincerity.
It's a little early for a full-on PBPA, but, given nothing else is going on, and that he only has the 10 posts, I did it anyway.
Mindreaver:
Post 1: Intro post. Perhaps an obvious question. Nothing to see here.
Post 2: Thinks "Hi" is the towniest LW entrance he's seen in a while. Nothing to see here.
Post 3: His "gif" post, correcting someone's wrong answer to a silly request. Still basically joking around. Perhaps a tad less fine at this point.
Post 4: First real post. Tells us to pace ourselves. Tells us he will be able to post more later (theme). Says it will soon be obvious he's Town because when he's scum his energy level is in the toilet and he can't even fake it. Hmmmm. Asks Tom to make him a poem? Actually, there isn't much in this post either.
Post 5: Okay, so this is his first real post. He comments on Nacho/KCC. Thinks Nacho is coming across like he wants to be the big **** on campus, but is Town-reading him for it. Says he doesn't think KCC's softclaim is important regardless if KCC is Town or scum, but cautions that scum-daychat means that scum could have collectively come up with a claim for her.
Votes Vez, because all her posts so far have been very "surface level." Gives some examples of what he means by this. Which is perfectly fine as far as it goes. Town reads on Vaimes/Rhand. "Null" on Silver.
This post is fine. The case is fine as a very, very early stage case (although, complaining that someone is using shallow reasoning for their votes in the first 200 post of the game is not in any way compelling). He's at least giving some opinions.
Post 6: Tells Vez that the fact it's early doesn't mean she can just vote people for no reason and not get called on it. Appears to be complaining that no one is talking to him. Then throws out several quick bullet questions to people. Eh. If any of this was actually followed up on it would be better.
Post 7: Apologizes for not posting. Promises to post tomorrow. Excuses.
Post 8: Apologizes for not posting. Promises to post in the next few hours.
Post 9: "Hot takes." Answers a question from Killjoy. Says he was looking for "frustration" among possible teammates of lurking scum, but hasn't seen it yet (except also says the DK wagon "reeks" of it, so I don't know what he is saying) Seems to be expressing suspicion of KJ by the end of this post, but it's so disjointed I'm not even sure I'm reading it right.
Post 10: "Mike drop"/It's on now post. Come tomorrow, he's back! And all those people pushing him for lurking/not contributing are gonna rue the day!
That was 3 days ago.
So, I kinda just want him dead just for that bit alone. Otherwise, there's not much here. Obviously.
I'm actually not a huge fan of Axel's Mind post. Lots of information, little analysis. I'm also never for lynching lurkers d1. But I look forward to Axel's argument as to why he's better than other scummy people.
I mean, you're kinda right, but I don't really think there is a whole lot to analyze about Mindreaver considering most of his posts contained little-to-no real content.
Regarding him, I'm in agreement with Last on both the sentiment that he's feigning intent without following through, and also that his big spiel with the Hulk Hogan gif carried a lot of over-the-top bravado. I'm willing to switch my vote to him at this point. Plus I'm probably a bit biased here, but I still really don't like his comment that my wagon "reeked" of frustration. He essentially threw shade at 30% of the playerbase without bothering to extrapolate on exactly what it was he thought he saw. And his further explanation after he was asked about it didn't actually explain anything.
Tom is......... getting a little easier to understand as I continue to read his posts. Except when he's just wholesale quoting. Dude made me read Iggy Azalea lyrics in the Year of Our Lord 2019 so that's less than great!
Just the fact that you took a moment to ***** on Iggy Azalea here makes me willing to die for you for the rest of the game.
dk, my current lynch pool for today is {vezok, Rhand, tom, Sloth, KCC, mind} in more or less that order of preference. Do you agree/disagree with any of those? Am happy to expand on anything in depth, would appreciate anything similar from you. Am a little starving for engagement with other players at this point but also really don't want to just drown thread in attempts to get that while I wait for people to do stuff.
That's kind of where I'm at Gemma but I think if we actually engaged each other we'd drown the thread anyway
Not sure what to do about that but I want to talk to you anyway lol
Do you have an actual read on tom or is he just in the pool for being hard to read through the rhymes?
(I will say I liked his last few posts, pretty sure he was saying something like "why don't you think Mindreaver is demotivated when he isn't posting" to Vaimes)
I think I'd probably have Mind a lot lower than you do, been waiting for him to bring it and it hasn't been brought
Something like [Rhand/Vezok/Mind/fulcrum/KCC] in roughly that order for me I think
dk, my current lynch pool for today is {vezok, Rhand, tom, Sloth, KCC, mind} in more or less that order of preference. Do you agree/disagree with any of those? Am happy to expand on anything in depth, would appreciate anything similar from you. Am a little starving for engagement with other players at this point but also really don't want to just drown thread in attempts to get that while I wait for people to do stuff.
Vezok - Currently voting her, haven't been impressed with recent posts and interactions with Last
Rhand - He hasn't really moved the needle for me other than the weird posts regarding fulcrum and vezok. Silver's case was diminished by his response that the reads were in order of the player list and not tiered. I wouldn't oppose pressure, but he's not high on my list.
Tom - Good luck. People are anemic to lynching him (see Modern where he somehow managed to skate for days as scum despite being more-or-less caught). From a personal standpoint, he has a scum-sided style of play that I have never been able to accurately read. FTR though, if it ever becomes clear that this is just a gimmick and not an actual posting restriction, I will unilaterally vote him until either he or I are dead.
Sloth - Seems pointless ATM since he/she is probably about to get replaced.
KCC - I thought the claim was townie, but her inactivity is troublesome considering she's been a pretty consistent med-to-high volume poster in her last few games. An iso might be in order, alhough I don't know how much there is to look at.
Mind - Definitely game here, for reasons listed in previous post
I have thought Killjoy was scum the last two games I played with him (I think) and been wrong both times. I am not getting a scummy feeling from him this game yet.
So, are you getting better, Killjoy, or is this scum you?
KJ has been taking steps to improve his town game since Modern, and it's been working well
This is town kj
I'm not sure I can properly articulate it, but this just feels weird. Modern wasn't that long ago, and I do acknowledge that KCC was scum in the micro where they offed Killjoy N1, but... this post still has a buddying vibe.
Also, I've now got an annoying tingle in the back of my mind that this might be scum!KCC warning teammate Axelrod off a bad lynch. I think I need to review Axelrod's needling of her and see if I think it's all for appearances.
I figured even as scum he would, at bare minimum, follow through with posting. So him not posting at all is something I was not really looking at as AI.
Will finish my catchup later today and see how I feel about Mind/Rhand. Axel still my favored lunch.
Eh, I'm not seeing Axelrod and KCC as scum together. He spent a lot of effort explaining why he didn't think KCC's claim was townie, and I don't think he would go that hard for bus cred on D1 when KCC is a strong, experienced player.
I seem to recall KCC making almost the exact same post in Eurovision (that KJ was applying what he learned from Modern and is therefore a villager)
I wouldn't put it past her to mimic that post for a TMI read but it's also, like, a read she's made as town before so I have a hard time saying it makes her wolf
I think the towny version of that post has some kind of evolution on the read, like referencing Eurovision in addition to Modern to reinforce the point that it makes him a villager, but yeah I don't think the post itself is wolfy it just, isn't really towny either.
Like the post does say "since Modern" but I think the towny version of it references Eurovision directly and like, explains why she thinks it's the same kind of thing she saw there
I can't even find the post in her iso in Eurovision now and I'm not entirely sure I didn't think she posted that exact post in Eurovision for some reason
Most important things at the moment are the Rhand/Mindreaver/Vezok wagons I think, Dking has one too but it's not active (and I still don't know why it exists)
I'm gonna join the subtle shade gang
"Putting Asta in your willing to lynch List"
actually topKek
KCC as well, since she claimed a PR, and killing that is just yikes
especially given how she is currently and should be null for everyone outside how people want to evaluate her entrance
I figured even as scum he would, at bare minimum, follow through with posting. So him not posting at all is something I was not really looking at as AI.
I probably did make a similar post in Euro. I posted that here because I don't want a townAxel getting distracted by KJ seeming different when he's actively working on changing his playstyle, especially since I understood exactly what Axel was seeing
Most important things at the moment are the Rhand/Mindreaver/Vezok wagons I think, Dking has one too but it's not active (and I still don't know why it exists)
I saw the dk -lets run someone up for fun- wagon, which was fine, but nothing shook out of it that makes me want a lynch there.
I noticed someone's case on Mind, which looked good, definitely deserving of pressure at least.
Vez, I remember not liking early. I'll give her a dedicated reread.
Rhand, I think is town. His first few posts made me uneasy for a bit, but then I realized he's probably making an effort to overexplain himself after Watchmen, where he caught me, but didn't spell out his case enough to get me lynched, and then got D1 lynched himself again for it.
Like if we're just going to shrug and lunch Mindreaver for lurking after two more weeks of this pace of play I will want to gouge my eyes out with a rusty spoon
I'd shoot him now if I had gun, if we going to lunch him we should do it and move on with the game and if we aren't we should... not
Rhand is like the goto lynch nowadays and it's hilarious to me since I think out of most players in this game, he is the literally one of the best at looking townie as a wolf
anyways these dragged out phase lengths force me to read more posts that in my opinion are just bad, and it just makes me angry
I will say it again, MINDREAVER
CAN
BE
TOWN
but how some people are handling that slot, makes absolutely no sense
Vezok seems like an ~okay vote but I need to reread her
I'm not saying "don't vote Mindreaver" I'm saying if we're going to lunch him we should just do it instead of letting the game drag on for another two weeks.
Vezok seems like an ~okay vote but I need to reread her
I'm not saying "don't vote Mindreaver" I'm saying if we're going to lunch him we should just do it instead of letting the game drag on for another two weeks.
well Im not voting Rhand solely because you are on it
ur last sentence is actually so wolfy...
you and vaimes have these reads on Mindreaver, that just feel like TMI, like everything just feels so reachy
and now you don't care if he is lynched?
we are not ending the day phase this early since we don't have enough posts from certain players to ascertain a possible alignment read on them without just straight-up winging it
I would recommend increasing Day length to 3 weeks until there are like 12-ish players. Two weeks for 17 players seems a bit short. A good rule of thumb I've seen (and used) in the past is 1.5 RL days x the number of living players for day length.
well Im not voting Rhand solely because you are on it
ur last sentence is actually so wolfy...
you and vaimes have these reads on Mindreaver, that just feel like TMI, like everything just feels so reachy
and now you don't care if he is lynched?
we are not ending the day phase this early since we don't have enough posts from certain players to ascertain a possible alignment read on them without just straight-up winging it
Honest question, how many alignment reads do you really think you'll nail down on D1?
I generally do manage to stay caught up and post, but my activity will be lower and I’ll be mainly restricted to phone posting.
Well let's talk about talk about silver and slothful.
Nothing up to this point has made me think silver might be scum. Reads are always related to what's happening and never seem to TMI.
Posts like these seem sincere and don't seem to come from scum mastermind silver who is feigning the coming up with the question. I don't know why you have him as scum.
Slothful has also just been absent yet you have him as lean scum. What exactly of his early posting made you think he is scum?
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Maybe I’m overthinking this because I just made a huge post about everything that happened so far before she said that.
But she did give me a townread because of that big post. Doing that and then believing nothing happened is weird? I think she skimmed my post rather than read it and threw a random townread my way because I’m showing effort, without digesting the fact that stuff did actually happen.
More so vaimes though with his thoughts that feel like TMI, "haha this is so town"
Mindreaver also never came back and gave thoughts like he said he was, this is the same crap I pull as a wolf, I talk about intent but never put any effort into doing it
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Mindreaver:
Post 1: Intro post. Perhaps an obvious question. Nothing to see here.
Post 2: Thinks "Hi" is the towniest LW entrance he's seen in a while. Nothing to see here.
Post 3: His "gif" post, correcting someone's wrong answer to a silly request. Still basically joking around. Perhaps a tad less fine at this point.
Post 4: First real post. Tells us to pace ourselves. Tells us he will be able to post more later (theme). Says it will soon be obvious he's Town because when he's scum his energy level is in the toilet and he can't even fake it. Hmmmm. Asks Tom to make him a poem? Actually, there isn't much in this post either.
Post 5: Okay, so this is his first real post. He comments on Nacho/KCC. Thinks Nacho is coming across like he wants to be the big **** on campus, but is Town-reading him for it. Says he doesn't think KCC's softclaim is important regardless if KCC is Town or scum, but cautions that scum-daychat means that scum could have collectively come up with a claim for her.
Votes Vez, because all her posts so far have been very "surface level." Gives some examples of what he means by this. Which is perfectly fine as far as it goes. Town reads on Vaimes/Rhand. "Null" on Silver.
This post is fine. The case is fine as a very, very early stage case (although, complaining that someone is using shallow reasoning for their votes in the first 200 post of the game is not in any way compelling). He's at least giving some opinions.
Post 6: Tells Vez that the fact it's early doesn't mean she can just vote people for no reason and not get called on it. Appears to be complaining that no one is talking to him. Then throws out several quick bullet questions to people. Eh. If any of this was actually followed up on it would be better.
Post 7: Apologizes for not posting. Promises to post tomorrow. Excuses.
Post 8: Apologizes for not posting. Promises to post in the next few hours.
Post 9: "Hot takes." Answers a question from Killjoy. Says he was looking for "frustration" among possible teammates of lurking scum, but hasn't seen it yet (except also says the DK wagon "reeks" of it, so I don't know what he is saying) Seems to be expressing suspicion of KJ by the end of this post, but it's so disjointed I'm not even sure I'm reading it right.
Post 10: "Mike drop"/It's on now post. Come tomorrow, he's back! And all those people pushing him for lurking/not contributing are gonna rue the day!
That was 3 days ago.
So, I kinda just want him dead just for that bit alone. Otherwise, there's not much here. Obviously.
Are we invisible?
I mean, if you disagree with my assessment of the current state of the game, feel free to correct it.
I guess you wonder where I've been
I've been on my tom *****
Making music that'd make em say "aw *****"
tom witch
So What Do I Think Of Success?
Tom Said It Best, last Said It Next
Axel Said the rest
I'm actually not a huge fan of Axel's Mind post. Lots of information, little analysis. I'm also never for lynching lurkers d1. But I look forward to Axel's argument as to why he's better than other scummy people.
Last, just curious, why are you against someone bouncing thoughts off your post? It seems like a weird thing to be prickly over.
Tom is......... getting a little easier to understand as I continue to read his posts. Except when he's just wholesale quoting. Dude made me read Iggy Azalea lyrics in the Year of Our Lord 2019 so that's less than great!
I'm watching the Mindreaver wagon tentatively. Pretty okay to hop wagons in a little bit. He's done SOME interacting, so that's fine to pull data from and figure out what those interactions could mean.
What you pointed out here is exactly what I was thinking when I said I was earmarking Rhand's post for later. But, as you said, it's the type of thing that isn't worth dwelling on until we know Rhand's alignment.
This is an oddly low-impact post to choose to illustrate Silver's sincerity.
I mean, you're kinda right, but I don't really think there is a whole lot to analyze about Mindreaver considering most of his posts contained little-to-no real content.
Regarding him, I'm in agreement with Last on both the sentiment that he's feigning intent without following through, and also that his big spiel with the Hulk Hogan gif carried a lot of over-the-top bravado. I'm willing to switch my vote to him at this point. Plus I'm probably a bit biased here, but I still really don't like his comment that my wagon "reeked" of frustration. He essentially threw shade at 30% of the playerbase without bothering to extrapolate on exactly what it was he thought he saw. And his further explanation after he was asked about it didn't actually explain anything.
Just the fact that you took a moment to ***** on Iggy Azalea here makes me willing to die for you for the rest of the game.
Not sure what to do about that but I want to talk to you anyway lol
Do you have an actual read on tom or is he just in the pool for being hard to read through the rhymes?
(I will say I liked his last few posts, pretty sure he was saying something like "why don't you think Mindreaver is demotivated when he isn't posting" to Vaimes)
I think I'd probably have Mind a lot lower than you do, been waiting for him to bring it and it hasn't been brought
Something like [Rhand/Vezok/Mind/fulcrum/KCC] in roughly that order for me I think
Would probably lynch some others, but this is where I'm at right now.
I think we should try to consolidate some wagons. I know we still have two weeks (waaaay to much), but the thread is starting to die out.
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I'm not sure I can properly articulate it, but this just feels weird. Modern wasn't that long ago, and I do acknowledge that KCC was scum in the micro where they offed Killjoy N1, but... this post still has a buddying vibe.
Also, I've now got an annoying tingle in the back of my mind that this might be scum!KCC warning teammate Axelrod off a bad lynch. I think I need to review Axelrod's needling of her and see if I think it's all for appearances.
I figured even as scum he would, at bare minimum, follow through with posting. So him not posting at all is something I was not really looking at as AI.
Will finish my catchup later today and see how I feel about Mind/Rhand. Axel still my favored lunch.
I seem to recall KCC making almost the exact same post in Eurovision (that KJ was applying what he learned from Modern and is therefore a villager)
I wouldn't put it past her to mimic that post for a TMI read but it's also, like, a read she's made as town before so I have a hard time saying it makes her wolf
I think the towny version of that post has some kind of evolution on the read, like referencing Eurovision in addition to Modern to reinforce the point that it makes him a villager, but yeah I don't think the post itself is wolfy it just, isn't really towny either.
Most important things at the moment are the Rhand/Mindreaver/Vezok wagons I think, Dking has one too but it's not active (and I still don't know why it exists)
"Putting Asta in your willing to lynch List"
actually topKek
KCC as well, since she claimed a PR, and killing that is just yikes
especially given how she is currently and should be null for everyone outside how people want to evaluate her entrance
I figured even as scum he would, at bare minimum, follow through with posting. So him not posting at all is something I was not really looking at as AI.
*checks notes*
two weeks in the phase still, wow
I vote we lunch someone else and let the host handle the lurking, myself, but we have an eternity left in the phase so
I probably did make a similar post in Euro. I posted that here because I don't want a townAxel getting distracted by KJ seeming different when he's actively working on changing his playstyle, especially since I understood exactly what Axel was seeing
I saw the dk -lets run someone up for fun- wagon, which was fine, but nothing shook out of it that makes me want a lynch there.
I noticed someone's case on Mind, which looked good, definitely deserving of pressure at least.
Vez, I remember not liking early. I'll give her a dedicated reread.
Rhand, I think is town. His first few posts made me uneasy for a bit, but then I realized he's probably making an effort to overexplain himself after Watchmen, where he caught me, but didn't spell out his case enough to get me lynched, and then got D1 lynched himself again for it.
I'd shoot him now if I had gun, if we going to lunch him we should do it and move on with the game and if we aren't we should... not
@silver
so who do u want to lynch?
I will say it again,
MINDREAVER
CAN
BE
TOWN
but how some people are handling that slot, makes absolutely no sense
Vezok seems like an ~okay vote but I need to reread her
I'm not saying "don't vote Mindreaver" I'm saying if we're going to lunch him we should just do it instead of letting the game drag on for another two weeks.
Lastwhisper "Silver might be a wolf for that idk"
Also last: "man these phases are dragging on and it makes me angry!"
ur last sentence is actually so wolfy...
you and vaimes have these reads on Mindreaver, that just feel like TMI, like everything just feels so reachy
and now you don't care if he is lynched?
we are not ending the day phase this early since we don't have enough posts from certain players to ascertain a possible alignment read on them without just straight-up winging it
You guys can blame me for this.
do u want a cookie for being special? is that why you want to town read Mindreaver?
can anyone talk to me about Silver and Vaimes that isn't simply just, "tonally they are sound, also meta"
Honest question, how many alignment reads do you really think you'll nail down on D1?