N1, I wanted to confirm that your busdrive of Axel was legit. N2, I wanted to give the debilitating orb to one of my scumreads, since if dkings was mafia then I think there was a decent chance he would perform the kill in future Nights.
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Wait. What did you do last Night?
Misspoke; I tried to give him a green orb and got roleblocked.
So did Proph try to throw a potential roleblock at me to keep me from switching off Asta?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I think he just misspoke, the only way he could have tried to roleblock dkings with his claim is if he thought you were going to target Killjoy next summer or something because no one else had a green or orange orb yet
If the orbs are nonseasonal I don't see why he would claim they are, unless he wanted to reduce the number of blue orbs he would "have" to pass out I guess? Why did shadow give Vezok a blue orb then? TMI/buddying I guess?
Idk, I think he true claimed regardless of his alignment
I might have mentioned my town role name before Gemma but I don't think so. I purposefully hid the double vote ability until Summer came and activated it because I was pretty sure that would get me shot immediately. I mean, I want to believe DK is definitely a bodyguard, but yeah, if scum wanted to remove voting power from town they would have shot DK then me.
Anyways, baa baa. Vaimes is still voting Proph, so I'm chill to stay there. (BTW, my vote wasn't an OMGUS vote, it was mostly a foregone conclusion since Vaimes was there.) Last is voting me, obvis not gonna hop on that wagon. Killjoy's not voting yet so not a great way to go. This has been the sheeping update.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is your second mafia game and you assumed that a double-vote would make you the highest priority target? Double-vote is pretty ***** for town and amazing for scum.
I really think Asta is just scum here. This thought process simply doesn't make sense.
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I think he just misspoke, the only way he could have tried to roleblock dkings with his claim is if he thought you were going to target Killjoy next summer or something because no one else had a green or orange orb yet
If the orbs are nonseasonal I don't see why he would claim they are, unless he wanted to reduce the number of blue orbs he would "have" to pass out I guess? Why did shadow give Vezok a blue orb then? TMI/buddying I guess?
Idk, I think he true claimed regardless of his alignment
I'm inclined to agree. IDK about the alignment but the role feels real.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I think he just misspoke, the only way he could have tried to roleblock dkings with his claim is if he thought you were going to target Killjoy next summer or something because no one else had a green or orange orb yet
If the orbs are nonseasonal I don't see why he would claim they are, unless he wanted to reduce the number of blue orbs he would "have" to pass out I guess? Why did shadow give Vezok a blue orb then? TMI/buddying I guess?
Idk, I think he true claimed regardless of his alignment
Didn’t he also claim to have a limited number of shots to gift whatever color he wants during the day?
I think he just misspoke, the only way he could have tried to roleblock dkings with his claim is if he thought you were going to target Killjoy next summer or something because no one else had a green or orange orb yet
If the orbs are nonseasonal I don't see why he would claim they are, unless he wanted to reduce the number of blue orbs he would "have" to pass out I guess? Why did shadow give Vezok a blue orb then? TMI/buddying I guess?
Idk, I think he true claimed regardless of his alignment
Didn’t he also claim to have a limited number of shots to gift whatever color he wants during the day?
Yeah but what was the plan? Stop you from protecting Killjoy and then give Killjoy an orange orb anyway after he got roleblocked? I guess burning a day use to give you a green orb is way less defensible and is probably why he hasn't used any more of his day shots yet...
Yeah that makes as much as sense as anything else I guess
vote: Prophylaxis (L-1)
If he's town I am 100% flipping KCC toMorrow though
Vezok, my first mafia game had three watchers (2 scum/1 town) and everyone else was vanilla. At the time, having two votes sounded like a big splashy thing that could seriously turn things around. NOW I might be less excited about the whole two votes thing, since it still couldn't push a lynch on Day 1 (and we've only gotten one lynch right in the last four days). You can understand why someone who has only played one mostly vanilla mafia game would think two votes was OP, right?
Vaimes still on Proph, Last still on DK, Killjoy still not voting. No updates.
I think he just misspoke, the only way he could have tried to roleblock dkings with his claim is if he thought you were going to target Killjoy next summer or something because no one else had a green or orange orb yet
If the orbs are nonseasonal I don't see why he would claim they are, unless he wanted to reduce the number of blue orbs he would "have" to pass out I guess? Why did shadow give Vezok a blue orb then? TMI/buddying I guess?
Idk, I think he true claimed regardless of his alignment
Didn’t he also claim to have a limited number of shots to gift whatever color he wants during the day?
Yeah but what was the plan? Stop you from protecting Killjoy and then give Killjoy an orange orb anyway after he got roleblocked? I guess burning a day use to give you a green orb is way less defensible and is probably why he hasn't used any more of his day shots yet...
Yeah that makes as much as sense as anything else I guess
vote: Prophylaxis (L-1)
If he's town I am 100% flipping KCC toMorrow though
Yeah, this is a scum post. KCC has been voting with proph for a long time on the dking wagon. There's no sensible world where proph is town and KCC is scum.
@Vaimes and fulcrum: How sure are you that proph is scum?
@Asta: No, I don't follow how a newbie could think double voting is op. All the newbies I've encountered thought that double voting is pretty meh. That's why I am asking you to explain further. Two votes doesn't give you a scum on a silver platter, doesn't confirm you as town and doesn't protect other roles. Watcher is a much more powerful role.
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Vezok: I dunno, dawg, just seems like two votes would be a big deal. Voting is most of what town gets to do. The scumwatchers didn't get to do anything significant, and our watcher was only relevant in endgame. It's my first time with a bunch of variants, and NOW I'm convinced that double voting isn't a big deal, but I am telling you what I felt at the start. Really re-think your weird bias on this and stop tunneling on a fairly meaningless detail.
ya I think DK is the hit here, I am less certain that Proph him and DK are wolf/wolf
I mean its possible that Vaimes is correct, and this is just wolf/wolf bus fiesta
I think how DK handled Cross today is super wolfy, like he feels more like a wolf just trying to power wolf is way out of a lynch, rather than someone who is trying to understand where Cross is coming from
@ASta
you said me, vezok, or Killjoy control your vote, so can you like remove it from the person that none of us are voting?
if you are town we need to all be aligned, and I am starting to come to that conclusion
you can't blame me and Vezok for our thoughts, same with Proph
if you wanna sit there and think you are the great holy spirit of towniness, thats fine
but like let us get their on our own
I am hoping that this is simply W/W but I am doubtful
@Last: Getting my thoughts out. What does getting super defensive based on basically no pressure accomplish?
@DK: He does appear to have messed up his claim perhaps? What does that mean his role is though? MAybe the orbs are nonseasonal?
again, this has nothing to with pressure, when the hell are you going to see a train on me outside of maybe f5 given the god damn PoE
I need to be able to work with you if you are town, and given that I have been all over the place with you, trying to understand you, while you are just, "Wisp is getting angry which makes him more likely to be a wolf, because meta says he gets angry as wolf", which is not even close to being a thing
this is game is really hard, and you are just in your own world right now
if your PoE is me and KCC, then you should be caring more about these trains existing, especially given they are low priority in terms of lynching from your POV
@Killjoy
Why is DK/Proph low priority?
Why is Silver a town lean?
and if your next response is not answering any of these, then I am just throwing in the towel, since the effort to unite everyone in possible town worlds is actually just not worth taking the L
@Silver
next up is you, why does KCC have to be a wolf here? if Proph flips town?
How are you so confident?
Why are you chainsawing lynches?
Proph has a read on you based on overall analysis, but I don't think your analysis this game has been anything that a wolf couldn't fake
so like, help me get there?
cause right now, I am looking at this world
{Silver, Asta, Fulcrum, DK}
I might have mentioned my town role name before Gemma but I don't think so. I purposefully hid the double vote ability until Summer came and activated it because I was pretty sure that would get me shot immediately. I mean, I want to believe DK is definitely a bodyguard, but yeah, if scum wanted to remove voting power from town they would have shot DK then me.
Anyways, baa baa. Vaimes is still voting Proph, so I'm chill to stay there. (BTW, my vote wasn't an OMGUS vote, it was mostly a foregone conclusion since Vaimes was there.) Last is voting me, obvis not gonna hop on that wagon. Killjoy's not voting yet so not a great way to go. This has been the sheeping update.
though no lie, this post makes no sense? "Purposely" hid it? like are you new or not? you can't play the newb card and then pretend like you are playing 4D chess with the mafia
there is no world where Mafia kill a double voter that has literally no bearing on the game at all
also I take back what I just said about coming to the thought of you being town, its still very slim
if Silver is town here, then he is just lost in the world of mechanics, and I dont blame him
but like his posts this day phase in isolation from everything else is just terrible, like
Yeah that makes as much as sense as anything else I guess
vote: Prophylaxis (L-1)
If he's town I am 100% flipping KCC toMorrow though
like this is either TWTBAW, or you are just open wolfing at this point
seems like DK did soft his role, so either this was his plan all along or IDK, I cant see how a bodyguard fits into this setup as a wolf, unless he is a jailor?
@Vezok: why would them voting together make them the same alignment?
Because as I said before, I'm working with the dking/asta/silver/proph/kcc poe. If proph is town and you are town then KCC voting for dking is against her win con. Ergo, KCC is either scum with proph or KCC and proph are both town and the rest of the poe is scum. Your mindset today doesn't really seem to come from town.
Out of dking/asta/silver I'm least sure on dking, but I'm fine with this lynch.
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You can't tell me with a straight face you think the last two manipulatives are both town
They cannot be, there's zero chance there isn't a wolf role that can affect night actions
That means one of them is a wolf, they *cannot* both be town unless dkings is like, manipulative #6 in the set up and he lied about being a bodyguard and did something else to Asta or something lmao
You don't have to agree with my calculation that KCC is more likely to be a wolf because of her role
I will not accept that there is no wolf role with an affect on night actions
It isn't possible
If you want to accuse me of trying to lunch the villager in that pair first, fine, whatever
But telling me they aren't at least a dichotomy if not both wolves when every other manipulative is dead town or Vaimes without wolf reading him is literally ridiculous
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Gimme a couple of minutes to read through the last couple of pages and I'll try to make a sufficient argument as to why dkings/Asta should be lynched over me Today
Choosing not to open up with HEY GUYS I HAVE TWO VOTES isn't spectacular 4-D chess. It just seemed like basic common sense: "Oh cool, I have two votes. That seems crazy good. They aren't usable today in this Spring but will be useable next day! I'll wait until I have the two votes to address it." Then nacho pulled his dumb, towny stunt and tada it was Summer and my votes were unlocked.
And I said I was voting alongside Last, Killjoy, and Vaimes. Not Vezok. Reread my original post-- I laid out my premise and have followed it. Since Vaimes and Killjoy aren't voting right now and DK will be one vote away from hammer, I'll just unvote for now. Ready to vote there tomorrow. Sorry bodyguard.
Asta is honestly burying himself at this rate, but like his vote on Proph does not make him a wolf, omgus votes do not strictly come from wolves, my observation was that the vote was simply bad
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I really don't know how to handle Asta's tonal jump from "Hey guys I am relatively new to FM" to "Man I am so obvious town, you guys are either wolves or bad for not seeing this, and I'm just gunna do nothing"
Sigh
It's these two things that are making me think I'm right on Asta. I really hate how he's dangling the newb town card so late in the game, and he has a fair number of behavioral inconsistencies like this one that by themselves I can accept as bad, but when you total them up they are incriminating for him.
And I'm voting dkings over Asta even though I keep calling Asta scum because I think I've found the scumteam, and dkings has more traction than Asta at this rate. I'm not particularly picky about who gets lynched out of the three; just that one of those three gets lynched.
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You think he's not here because of the pressure on him? Iirc, he also didn't show up for a while D1.
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I just really don't think this case is applicable for many of the players on this site, and it's more likely he just hasn't had the chance to get into the thread yet?
Fair enough. Just felt that if we put more pressure on him then he would start posted (as he has right now).
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dkings's post is complete nonsense.
- He's voting me for a non-reason (voting him in a post that talks all about Asta). He's shifting his focus to me Today when he literally didn't talk me at all Yesterday and was extremely focused on Keldeo.
- If you don't take into account his claim and his mechanics, his behavior is awful. Rhand was chummy with him and he shifted from having no idea who the scum were/having trouble solving to laser focusing on Keldeo throughout Yesterday and me Today.
@Cross
what happened to your orbs? like Vezok confirmed one? but like its a day and night action? and I dont remember mention of new orbs anywhere? please respond
though no lie, this post makes no sense? "Purposely" hid it? like are you new or not? you can't play the newb card and then pretend like you are playing 4D chess with the mafia
This also could be a slip?
"Purposely hiding" the second vote... that supposedly wasn't even available that first spring? That wouldn't be hiding, it's just not claiming. Like, how do you make an effort to hide something you don't have yet
This is like point 3 or 4 towards Asta falseclaimg something
@Cross
what happened to your orbs? like Vezok confirmed one? but like its a day and night action? and I dont remember mention of new orbs anywhere? please respond
I RBed one
Nacho confirmed getting one off my busdrive
I think KJ and silver claimed the others?
@Cross
what happened to your orbs? like Vezok confirmed one? but like its a day and night action? and I dont remember mention of new orbs anywhere? please respond
I RBed one
Nacho confirmed getting one off my busdrive
I think KJ and silver claimed the others?
ya so rereading Rhand, I don't really believe at any point he was bussing, given that all of his votes outside Vaimes/Killjoy are on confirmed town
Killjoy has more reasons to be town obviously, and like Vaimes is just Vaimes I guess, he goes back and forth with his posts, but like I'm not looking at him again till like F5 or F3 at this point?
looking back at how he attacked Keldeo I am sad we voted there, but thats my bad for being lazy
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@Rhand, man I don't even see most of those. I can maybe see the one about me, if he's saying I'm too toothless to kill him (which he knows isn't true, but whatever, he's 90% bravado at the best of times). I can see the axel, sloth and gemma ones coming from part of what tom's said, but there are a lot of lines in there that don't fit. What does "Wait, that means foreverever, hold up, never mind" mean for Axel? Is he saying that Axel isn't going after KCC strongly enough for it to be a real read? Is he saying he expects Axel to back off later? I can see tom saying Sloth seems carefree, but the main difference in Sloth's post style in this game is from feedback about his last scum game /that I gave him/, and tom knows that. Sloth definitely isn't "grieving" being away from the thread, that doesn't make any sense. I don't the lost thing at all, but that probably because I don't know lost. Why is tom's song there so long? Is he just having fun dissing lost? Is he saying anything game related? I don't get how you thought Tom is saying Nacho's wants understanding, that seems like your reads of Nacho. I'm seeing Tom saying that Nacho seems anxious, since that's word that kept popping up in the rap. Or maybe he's calling Nacho paranoid, and that's towny, because of the "Sometimes I let my demons get ahold me," but that's my read of Nacho that I'm just attributing to Tom. How is tom saying silver is being emotional? Where is he saying that's Silver's town meta? Is that something you guys talked about before, or again is that just your thought that you think Tom is also having? I assume he's saying Gemma is solving, because it starts with the word "solving" but is "To escape from that distasteful state of hate, deceit, and evil" saying that she's seems to be a better mood than when she was last scum?
Before I go, if you look at the way Rhand treated the first scumreads on Nacho and his read of tom, there's a pattern of him giving too /much/ credit to other people's thought process, and assuming it's like his own. It feels weird and spewy.
I think Vaimes' usage and attitude around his role are town, done looking there. Tom's clearly trying to solve, Nacho as well. Asta's newbtown. Vezok is a mason.
Silver, Lastwhisper and Killjoy are all pushing against the grain, probably town.
Game feels p easy. Kill Rhand and Keldeo, probably hit scum, go from there.
ya Fulcrum pretty much decimated Rhand early on, but like ended up on Axel? I just don't know how to interpret that... ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
1. Silvercrys3467 -Has been pushing false dichotomy arguments for days -Role can easily be scum +Feels like trying to solve today +Was a strong Town read until midgame
2. Lastwhisper +Feels genuine +Role is a little weird on scum +Seems frequently lost on roles and mechanics -Slight doubts on reactions
3. shadowlancerxJackritoProphylaxis -Easily scum role/lots of room for falseclaim -Does not feel like solving +I kinda liked that he put effort into researching my meta early
4. Vaimes +Rhand was neutral hunting +Game didn't explode
5. KittyCupCake -Easily scum role +Is awesome
6. vezokpiraka +confirmed town
8. dkingsland967 +Twoish confirmations on BG -feels slimy -Role seems empty
11. Killjoy +feels town +fairly confirmed
16. fulcrum +role makes no sense on scum +Axel is dead +feels genuine -how Rhand approached
17. Asta -Role inconsistencies -some things feel too advanced, like being coached +feels fine otherwise, and pretty impressive if newbscum +role is slightly unusual for scum
I noticed this when going back over quotes/night actions...
So did Proph try to throw a potential roleblock at me to keep me from switching off Asta?
@DK: He does appear to have messed up his claim perhaps? What does that mean his role is though? MAybe the orbs are nonseasonal?
If the orbs are nonseasonal I don't see why he would claim they are, unless he wanted to reduce the number of blue orbs he would "have" to pass out I guess? Why did shadow give Vezok a blue orb then? TMI/buddying I guess?
Idk, I think he true claimed regardless of his alignment
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is your second mafia game and you assumed that a double-vote would make you the highest priority target? Double-vote is pretty ***** for town and amazing for scum.
I really think Asta is just scum here. This thought process simply doesn't make sense.
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Didn’t he also claim to have a limited number of shots to gift whatever color he wants during the day?
The Current Season is Winter.
With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch.
Yeah that makes as much as sense as anything else I guess
vote: Prophylaxis (L-1)
If he's town I am 100% flipping KCC toMorrow though
Vaimes still on Proph, Last still on DK, Killjoy still not voting. No updates.
Yeah, this is a scum post. KCC has been voting with proph for a long time on the dking wagon. There's no sensible world where proph is town and KCC is scum.
@Vaimes and fulcrum: How sure are you that proph is scum?
@Asta: No, I don't follow how a newbie could think double voting is op. All the newbies I've encountered thought that double voting is pretty meh. That's why I am asking you to explain further. Two votes doesn't give you a scum on a silver platter, doesn't confirm you as town and doesn't protect other roles. Watcher is a much more powerful role.
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So let's go with that plan.
if Proph is town, then this is just chainsawing, which is just straight wolfy
do not hammer this...
Please do not hammer
I mean its possible that Vaimes is correct, and this is just wolf/wolf bus fiesta
I think how DK handled Cross today is super wolfy, like he feels more like a wolf just trying to power wolf is way out of a lynch, rather than someone who is trying to understand where Cross is coming from
do not hammer this please
Proph can have little a time to respond, as a treat
you said me, vezok, or Killjoy control your vote, so can you like remove it from the person that none of us are voting?
if you are town we need to all be aligned, and I am starting to come to that conclusion
you can't blame me and Vezok for our thoughts, same with Proph
if you wanna sit there and think you are the great holy spirit of towniness, thats fine
but like let us get their on our own
I am hoping that this is simply W/W but I am doubtful
I want time to look at some stuff before Night.
I need to be able to work with you if you are town, and given that I have been all over the place with you, trying to understand you, while you are just, "Wisp is getting angry which makes him more likely to be a wolf, because meta says he gets angry as wolf", which is not even close to being a thing
this is game is really hard, and you are just in your own world right now
if your PoE is me and KCC, then you should be caring more about these trains existing, especially given they are low priority in terms of lynching from your POV
@Killjoy
Why is DK/Proph low priority?
Why is Silver a town lean?
and if your next response is not answering any of these, then I am just throwing in the towel, since the effort to unite everyone in possible town worlds is actually just not worth taking the L
next up is you, why does KCC have to be a wolf here? if Proph flips town?
How are you so confident?
Why are you chainsawing lynches?
Proph has a read on you based on overall analysis, but I don't think your analysis this game has been anything that a wolf couldn't fake
so like, help me get there?
cause right now, I am looking at this world
{Silver, Asta, Fulcrum, DK}
there is no world where Mafia kill a double voter that has literally no bearing on the game at all
also I take back what I just said about coming to the thought of you being town, its still very slim
but like his posts this day phase in isolation from everything else is just terrible, like
Yeah that makes as much as sense as anything else I guess
vote: Prophylaxis (L-1)
If he's town I am 100% flipping KCC toMorrow though
like this is either TWTBAW, or you are just open wolfing at this point
I am going to sleep but I hope u post that case soon
also Why has nobody else mentioned getting orbs from you as of recently?
Because as I said before, I'm working with the dking/asta/silver/proph/kcc poe. If proph is town and you are town then KCC voting for dking is against her win con. Ergo, KCC is either scum with proph or KCC and proph are both town and the rest of the poe is scum. Your mindset today doesn't really seem to come from town.
Out of dking/asta/silver I'm least sure on dking, but I'm fine with this lynch.
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You can't tell me with a straight face you think the last two manipulatives are both town
They cannot be, there's zero chance there isn't a wolf role that can affect night actions
That means one of them is a wolf, they *cannot* both be town unless dkings is like, manipulative #6 in the set up and he lied about being a bodyguard and did something else to Asta or something lmao
I will not accept that there is no wolf role with an affect on night actions
It isn't possible
If you want to accuse me of trying to lunch the villager in that pair first, fine, whatever
But telling me they aren't at least a dichotomy if not both wolves when every other manipulative is dead town or Vaimes without wolf reading him is literally ridiculous
The simplest answer here, is I just don't want to be burned by mechanics, I mean obviously there are some u shouldn't ignore, but like mehhhh
dk: why should I reconsider proph?
The Current Season is Winter.
With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch.
Gimme a couple of minutes to read through the last couple of pages and I'll try to make a sufficient argument as to why dkings/Asta should be lynched over me Today
And I said I was voting alongside Last, Killjoy, and Vaimes. Not Vezok. Reread my original post-- I laid out my premise and have followed it. Since Vaimes and Killjoy aren't voting right now and DK will be one vote away from hammer, I'll just unvote for now. Ready to vote there tomorrow. Sorry bodyguard.
Unvote
And that's not at all what I said, so please don't belittle me
It's these two things that are making me think I'm right on Asta. I really hate how he's dangling the newb town card so late in the game, and he has a fair number of behavioral inconsistencies like this one that by themselves I can accept as bad, but when you total them up they are incriminating for him.
And I'm voting dkings over Asta even though I keep calling Asta scum because I think I've found the scumteam, and dkings has more traction than Asta at this rate. I'm not particularly picky about who gets lynched out of the three; just that one of those three gets lynched.
Fair enough. Just felt that if we put more pressure on him then he would start posted (as he has right now).
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dkings's post is complete nonsense.
- He's voting me for a non-reason (voting him in a post that talks all about Asta). He's shifting his focus to me Today when he literally didn't talk me at all Yesterday and was extremely focused on Keldeo.
- If you don't take into account his claim and his mechanics, his behavior is awful. Rhand was chummy with him and he shifted from having no idea who the scum were/having trouble solving to laser focusing on Keldeo throughout Yesterday and me Today.
I don't know what it might be other than "is a wolf, so fine lunching dkings who is almost definitely a villager from his PoV"
I'll lunch in Proph/Asta/KCC toDay, don't think I vote dkings lmao
That probably isn't exactly the team but... yeah
honestly I do not know what to think of Asta being willing to vote DK here?
what happened to your orbs? like Vezok confirmed one? but like its a day and night action? and I dont remember mention of new orbs anywhere? please respond
This also could be a slip?
"Purposely hiding" the second vote... that supposedly wasn't even available that first spring? That wouldn't be hiding, it's just not claiming. Like, how do you make an effort to hide something you don't have yet
This is like point 3 or 4 towards Asta falseclaimg something
I RBed one
Nacho confirmed getting one off my busdrive
I think KJ and silver claimed the others?
Killjoy has more reasons to be town obviously, and like Vaimes is just Vaimes I guess, he goes back and forth with his posts, but like I'm not looking at him again till like F5 or F3 at this point?
Last, note who Rhand voted for please.
looking back at how he attacked Keldeo I am sad we voted there, but thats my bad for being lazy
Large early essay on Rhand
2. Lastwhisper +Feels genuine +Role is a little weird on scum +Seems frequently lost on roles and mechanics -Slight doubts on reactions
3. shadowlancerxJackritoProphylaxis -Easily scum role/lots of room for falseclaim -Does not feel like solving +I kinda liked that he put effort into researching my meta early
4. Vaimes +Rhand was neutral hunting +Game didn't explode
5. KittyCupCake -Easily scum role +Is awesome
6. vezokpiraka +confirmed town
8. dkingsland967 +Twoish confirmations on BG -feels slimy -Role seems empty
11. Killjoy +feels town +fairly confirmed
16. fulcrum +role makes no sense on scum +Axel is dead +feels genuine -how Rhand approached
17. Asta -Role inconsistencies -some things feel too advanced, like being coached +feels fine otherwise, and pretty impressive if newbscum +role is slightly unusual for scum
That's mostly for me
Killjoy -> Axel -> Grape -> Vezok -> Grape -> Killjoy -> Axel -> Nacho -> Keldeo -> Vaimes -> Axel -> Rhand
Vaimes is the only unconfirmed in this