Alright, this slot has taken about as much damage from my poor attempts at solving as it can. The more I talk, the more I get scumread, so its sheep time. I'll be following Vaimes, Killjoy, or Last. This slot is now functionally 1-2 extra votes for one of those players. I'll check and change votes after vote counts drop to see where the lynch likely is and swap around.
I really don't know how to handle Asta's tonal jump from "Hey guys I am relatively new to FM" to "Man I am so obvious town, you guys are either wolves or bad for not seeing this, and I'm just gunna do nothing"
I really don't know how to handle Asta's tonal jump from "Hey guys I am relatively new to FM" to "Man I am so obvious town, you guys are either wolves or bad for not seeing this, and I'm just gunna do nothing"
Sigh
I think he was saying he's going to stop posting because he feels like he's just burying himself? Which, Asta, if you're town, don't do that. Not posting is also burying yourself.
I am putting Fulcrum and KCC back on the map since I can't make any teams without them unless I strictly believe we are correct with our PoE, and I really just don't believe a game of low posters/lurkers put us in the game state that we are in right now
Asta is honestly burying himself at this rate, but like his vote on Proph does not make him a wolf, omgus votes do not strictly come from wolves, my observation was that the vote was simply bad
@Fulcrum
Why does it matter which of ASta/DK that Proph is voting? thats literally his PoE?
Asta is honestly burying himself at this rate, but like his vote on Proph does not make him a wolf, omgus votes do not strictly come from wolves, my observation was that the vote was simply bad
@Fulcrum
Why does it matter which of ASta/DK that Proph is voting? thats literally his PoE?
He swapped his vote over in a post talking about why Asta is scum, seems weird.
I am putting Fulcrum and KCC back on the map since I can't make any teams without them unless I strictly believe we are correct with our PoE, and I really just don't believe a game of low posters/lurkers put us in the game state that we are in right now
Asta is honestly burying himself at this rate, but like his vote on Proph does not make him a wolf, omgus votes do not strictly come from wolves, my observation was that the vote was simply bad
@Fulcrum
Why does it matter which of ASta/DK that Proph is voting? thats literally his PoE?
He swapped his vote over in a post talking about why Asta is scum, seems weird.
ok I can see that, it's odd but I don't think it means more much than anything else he's done alignment-wise
his PoE is still DK/Asta, so ya
idk, its possible that town is just eating themself alive at this point? but like I don't wanna believe we are all just continously wrong
Asta is honestly burying himself at this rate, but like his vote on Proph does not make him a wolf, omgus votes do not strictly come from wolves, my observation was that the vote was simply bad
@Fulcrum
Why does it matter which of ASta/DK that Proph is voting? thats literally his PoE?
He swapped his vote over in a post talking about why Asta is scum, seems weird.
ok I can see that, it's odd but I don't think it means more much than anything else he's done alignment-wise
his PoE is still DK/Asta, so ya
idk, its possible that town is just eating themself alive at this point? but like I don't wanna believe we are all just continously wrong
Continuously wrong how?
I called Rhand scummy for Days. I've pushing Proph since he replaced in. We could have easily killed DK or KCC d1.
And I know you want to look at behavior instead of mechanics, but come on, my role only makes sense as town and it ******* confirmed, unlike proph's and most of silver's.
@Fulcrum
what are you talking about? you did not hard push Rhand? vote: Fulcrum
and so far mechanically if no one is lying, none of the inves roles make sense as a wolf, and that isnt even a good reason to not put you in the PoE
in a Fulcrum/KCC world, u didnt do anything till KCC almost got rung up
@Fulcrum
what are you talking about? you did not hard push Rhand? vote: Fulcrum
and so far mechanically if no one is lying, none of the inves roles make sense as a wolf, and that isnt even a good reason to not put you in the PoE
in a Fulcrum/KCC world, u didnt do anything till KCC almost got rung up
I didn't hard push him, but I did call him out and vote him him over d1 and 2. To be clear, I'm not saying that makes me town, I'm saying it means I wasn't wrong all game.
Why do you think that dkings being FROZEN is doubtful, last?
I just really don't think this case is applicable for many of the players on this site, and it's more likely he just hasn't had the chance to get into the thread yet?
And like the worst thing that Asta has done all game is probably his vote on Proph just now, so like idk what to think of that slot, his thoughts are far and in-between but they aren't wolfy in the slightest
I am kinda tired of all these, "this doesn't look like a scum role arguement"
It implies that DV makes games that can easily be mod gamed, and I just don't believe that
I refuse to believe he would give scum such awful roles. Learning a random ability means you can learn a teammate’s ability, it’s out of your control, and it’s stupid.
People, fulcrum is never scum right now regardless of role. She's the only one putting in effort. That's never a scum move.
Scum is in dk/asta/silver/kcc/proph. We have one mislynch available so we just have to find 3 scum out of 5 people.
That Rhand post seems pretty damning for dking. Let's go there.
vote dkings
I'm still iffy about the fact that we have no protectives, but if KCC is town, then I guess it's kinda ok. I still want to know what killjoy's role is, but I think it's better if it happens tomorrow or in LyLo.
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People, fulcrum is never scum right now regardless of role. She's the only one putting in effort. That's never a scum move.
Scum is in dk/asta/silver/kcc/proph. We have one mislynch available so we just have to find 3 scum out of 5 people.
That Rhand post seems pretty damning for dking. Let's go there.
vote dkings
I'm still iffy about the fact that we have no protectives, but if KCC is town, then I guess it's kinda ok. I still want to know what killjoy's role is, but I think it's better if it happens tomorrow or in LyLo.
Ok, so, if all of you, me, killjoy, vaimes and last are town. Then, we just need to find one town in dk/asta/silver/kcc/proph. It's never going to be proph for me, not unless his orbs block a kill or something. Mechanically, it's technically possible for dk to clear himself (by dying, lol). KCC can't clear herself anymore without the blocks. Silver could potentially catch a mafia, but, really, even that wouldn't clear him for me at this point. And Asta can't mechanically clear himself outside of a lylo situation where he has the extra vote and uses it on mafia instead of town. Let's not let it get to that.
Last is just ... incredibly frustrating, but not scum. Clearing him is fine. I've had some reservations about Vaimes, he seems p pure today though.
My instinct is to not kill KCC of the five, thinks she seems the most real in her solving. Leaves a kill list of proph, asta, dk, silver. I don't know if we win with that.
I really, really need to get my ***** together and reread everything.
I feel like there’s a lot to unpack within these last ~20 posts, but it’s midnight and I need to be up early.
I’m reading Nacho’s posts and I feel like I’m watching a roomba short-circuit. So far I don’t think he’s town.
Oh also I’ll be the first to say it: there’s totally a neutral in the game.
Is this a claim?
unvote
I like Silver.
Nacho feels like a copy of myself when I’m writing things that are good observations and then people scumread me for that.
Vaimes feels a bit less playful than usual.
I'm sure I already quoted this, just reminding myself that this is good for Vaimes. More jokey than how he prodded me around KCC's claim at eod1, but it laid the groundwork for pushing Vaimes as neutral later. Wouldn't surprise me if Rhand genuinely thought Vaimes was a neutral.
Nacho feels like a copy of myself when I’m writing things that are good observations and then people scumread me for that.
I feel like you tried to mash 10 different ideas into that sentence
It was me pre-empting unfounded scumreads on Nacho because I know how that feels.
Why are you spoilering an invitation to talk? Doesn’t feel very inviting.
Mixture of tmiing and buddying from Rhand early in the game, indicates that he likes to do this with Town. He did some similar with Tom later. Look for similar interactions with other players.
I’m actually trying to reign in how much I post since this’ll be a long game, and try to keep the fluffing to a minimum.
Speaking of that, LW criticizing me for posting in general, even though it’s considerably less, and even though there’s content to comment on, is right up scum alley.
Response to Rhand from Vaimes. Also jokey, not really alignment indicative, relevant for understanding the tone between them.
Killjoy seems okay. I like Gemma and Vaimes, mostly tonally though Vaimes is doing good work too.
Last night I kind of felt like Nacho realized he wasn't getting anywhere and tried to backpedal... partly because I don't really feel like I tried to sort him, myself, so his town lean on me gave me a bit of whiplash. I guess it coulda been a bad push on purpose to force interactions which is what I think he's representing now but like. I'm gonna let that read stew some more, I think.
Preview edit: I like Sloth's last few posts, as well.
Mmm.
vote: Rhand
First vote on Rhand, from Silver. Presumably a reaction test. Came very early in the Day.
@Silver
Why are you voting Rhand? I don't see the connection between your post and that vote?
There isn't a connection between the post and the vote. I'm voting Rhand because he's pinging me but I can't really explain why, his posts just feel weird.
Yeah, Vaimes + Killjoy, Gemma, Slothful, Axelrod in approximately that order.
Are these townreads or scum reads?
Town leans, you and Vaimes are about as strong then Gemma, Slothful, Axelrod lower than you in roughly that order towards null.
Early Silver reads all confirmed correct, with the possible exception of Vaimes. Not sure if scum!Silver comes up with a specific reason to push Rhand to look good or goes with this because it still gives cred without really undermining Rhand.
Tom putting up a gimmick is totally NAI.
He’s very comprehensible in this one, which for me is a big relief. He’s had gimmicks where I couldn’t understand what he meant. His thoughts are clear here.
You do have experience playing with tom and his gimmicks, right?
vote Axelrod
Uh, definitely not recently. Maybe never? It is possible I read a game once where he faked a gimmick? I can't remember.
Still don't like it. Maybe it is NAI for him, but he oughtn't do it as Town. It helps no one. I don't care if he thinks it's fun.
Rhand leveraged the buddying of Tom to push Axel for pushing Tom. Indicates that he likes being on the "right" side of fights as scum.
She really only has one ability that protects town, though, right? The bus drive. The roleblock can't stop the kill and the delayed delay can only delay a second kill.
There isn't a connection between the post and the vote. I'm voting Rhand because he's pinging me but I can't really explain why, his posts just feel weird.
@Silver
well let me know when you have a tangible reason, since a read like that, helps absolutely no one
Hey Vaimes, does scum!Last try to bully Silver about his vote on a partner like this? I'm leaning towards no.
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Baa.
What did you get? I'm assuming something that was claimed? Without the non-mafia wording on target selection?
Sigh
I think he was saying he's going to stop posting because he feels like he's just burying himself? Which, Asta, if you're town, don't do that. Not posting is also burying yourself.
I will come back to this later once I finally reread, ended up playing legends of runeterra all day yesterday
@Fulcrum
Why does it matter which of ASta/DK that Proph is voting? thats literally his PoE?
He swapped his vote over in a post talking about why Asta is scum, seems weird.
I don't really get why you think that.
his PoE is still DK/Asta, so ya
idk, its possible that town is just eating themself alive at this point? but like I don't wanna believe we are all just continously wrong
Continuously wrong how?
I called Rhand scummy for Days. I've pushing Proph since he replaced in. We could have easily killed DK or KCC d1.
Just let me kill my scumreads, holy *****.
let me go look at your rhand pushes one sec
bah
wolf!Proph is just bussing at this point, in wolf!asta world?
what are you talking about? you did not hard push Rhand?
vote: Fulcrum
and so far mechanically if no one is lying, none of the inves roles make sense as a wolf, and that isnt even a good reason to not put you in the PoE
in a Fulcrum/KCC world, u didnt do anything till KCC almost got rung up
Think he's probably FROZEN
@Fulcrum
like I said, I really hate mechanical games
I didn't hard push him, but I did call him out and vote him him over d1 and 2. To be clear, I'm not saying that makes me town, I'm saying it means I wasn't wrong all game.
Cool, let's flip him.
yes but u didnt vote him when it mattered
but sure I didnt go back that far, I'll fully check your ISO when I get a chance
Relatedly:
(Hey, maybe these guys are scum)
Not Killjoy, Keldeo.
You think he's not here because of the pressure on him? Iirc, he also didn't show up for a while D1.
It implies that DV makes games that can easily be mod gamed, and I just don't believe that
fulcrum is not mafia.
I appreciate you.
Scum is in dk/asta/silver/kcc/proph. We have one mislynch available so we just have to find 3 scum out of 5 people.
That Rhand post seems pretty damning for dking. Let's go there.
vote dkings
I'm still iffy about the fact that we have no protectives, but if KCC is town, then I guess it's kinda ok. I still want to know what killjoy's role is, but I think it's better if it happens tomorrow or in LyLo.
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Ok, so, if all of you, me, killjoy, vaimes and last are town. Then, we just need to find one town in dk/asta/silver/kcc/proph. It's never going to be proph for me, not unless his orbs block a kill or something. Mechanically, it's technically possible for dk to clear himself (by dying, lol). KCC can't clear herself anymore without the blocks. Silver could potentially catch a mafia, but, really, even that wouldn't clear him for me at this point. And Asta can't mechanically clear himself outside of a lylo situation where he has the extra vote and uses it on mafia instead of town. Let's not let it get to that.
Last is just ... incredibly frustrating, but not scum. Clearing him is fine. I've had some reservations about Vaimes, he seems p pure today though.
My instinct is to not kill KCC of the five, thinks she seems the most real in her solving. Leaves a kill list of proph, asta, dk, silver. I don't know if we win with that.
I really, really need to get my ***** together and reread everything.
I'm sure I already quoted this, just reminding myself that this is good for Vaimes. More jokey than how he prodded me around KCC's claim at eod1, but it laid the groundwork for pushing Vaimes as neutral later. Wouldn't surprise me if Rhand genuinely thought Vaimes was a neutral.
Mixture of tmiing and buddying from Rhand early in the game, indicates that he likes to do this with Town. He did some similar with Tom later. Look for similar interactions with other players.
Response to Rhand from Vaimes. Also jokey, not really alignment indicative, relevant for understanding the tone between them.
First vote on Rhand, from Silver. Presumably a reaction test. Came very early in the Day.
Probably too focused a callout for a partner.
Early Silver reads all confirmed correct, with the possible exception of Vaimes. Not sure if scum!Silver comes up with a specific reason to push Rhand to look good or goes with this because it still gives cred without really undermining Rhand.
Rhand leveraged the buddying of Tom to push Axel for pushing Tom. Indicates that he likes being on the "right" side of fights as scum.
Vezok me and killjoy literally control Asta's vote, if he doesn't follow us he is a wolf
She really only has one ability that protects town, though, right? The bus drive. The roleblock can't stop the kill and the delayed delay can only delay a second kill.
Hey Vaimes, does scum!Last try to bully Silver about his vote on a partner like this? I'm leaning towards no.