KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KCC's last protection targets she mentioned were Axel and Vaimes
Yeah, I don't think fonti or wisp are scum and willing shot into my targets.
I did place a trap on Axel, so someone ran into that.
Silver's probably lying about that ability, which is fun, cause that's where I was leaning anyway.
I looked for something I could confirm, most of the things that could be confirmed were already confirmed by the targeted players (orbs, Vaimes visits)
Dkings specifically claimed he could have picked during the day but hadn't had a chance to so he picked after the hammer, I wanted confirmation that the bodyguard wasn't something the two of them made up between them
Last might be town by role (Dreaming God is a weird wolf role), kind of also think he's uninformed despite, rather than because of, his continued insistence that he is
Vaimes seems fine and there isn't room for the day kill on his role
Proph has some questionable targets on his orbs but doesn't make sense as a primary wolf manipulative and the daykill doesn't fit on his role.
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Killjoy is mechanically town unless he's exactly a wolf with fulcrum (is probably town either way on behavior + fulcrum's role and result are probably true regardless of her alignment, plus giving wolves his ability steal ability and Rhand's seems weird). There does exist a world where I'm wrong about him/Rhand's roles being exclusive and fulcrum is covering for him, but if he's a wolf he's going to F3 and I'm not even mad. His role has the most "space" for the daykill other than Dkings and Asta, too, given that he's only claimed one ability
Dkingsland probably is a bodyguard in a set up with no extra non-wolf kills, confirmed by Asta and me confirming someone targeted Asta N1, makes some sense as the day killer by flavor
Asta is a double voter during Spring and Summer and has a Winter ability to increase lunch threshold by 1? His posts are infrequent but seem ~fine. Mechanically he could be wolf #4 with KCC/fulcrum, makes some sense as the day killer by flavor (he claims his double vote wasn't enabled until summer, didn't use it until after Gemma died so it might have been unlocked by him killing her? Still kind of think he was hiding it but it's a thing that could be.)
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Fulcrum is probably the wolf investigative with Axel's flip
KCC is probably the wolf manipulative
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Really wish I had time to try to make a behavioral case on my wolf reads but I just don't
We're at 7/3 which means a mislunch toDay puts us in 5/3 Mylo
Given that fulcrum is mechanically the best lunch, since she has a lot of wolf equity and if I'm somehow wrong it hard clears Killjoy
vote: fulcrum
I'd be willing to lunch KCC toDay as well, don't think I'd go elsewhere though
what? I specifically told her to busdrive either Killjoy/Vezok with someone?
if she busdrove Vezok with Axel for example, that would be weird given she believed that Silver was more wolfy than Axel
KCC's last protection targets she mentioned were Axel and Vaimes.
Vote: Silver
Choo Choo
If she's a wolf and you're town, the wolves knew who she was busdriving and would have targeted Vaimes to kill Axel lmao
I have no idea what you're doing if you're town tbh
Silver, why are you so sure Prophs orbs work as he claimed?
I don't know that they work exactly as claimed, but there's a good chance the only thing he could be lying about is their literal effects because ~nothing has happened from them yet
I don't know that they work exactly as claimed, but there's a good chance the only thing he could be lying about is their literal effects because ~nothing has happened from them yet
KCC's last protection targets she mentioned were Axel and Vaimes
Yeah, I don't think fonti or wisp are scum and willing shot into my targets.
I did place a trap on Axel, so someone ran into that.
Silver's probably lying about that ability, which is fun, cause that's where I was leaning anyway.
what? I specifically told her to busdrive either Killjoy/Vezok with someone?
if she busdrove Vezok with Axel for example, that would be weird given she believed that Silver was more wolfy than Axel
KCC's last protection targets she mentioned were Axel and Vaimes.
Vote: Silver
Choo Choo
If she's a wolf and you're town, the wolves knew who she was busdriving and would have targeted Vaimes to kill Axel lmao
I have no idea what you're doing if you're town tbh
Uh, no. She said she was targeting Vaimes and Axel with two different abilities, one would have the winter delay on them the other would be busdriven with a third, scummy person. If KCC is town and Last or I are mafia, then we shot Axel with 50% chance the shot would be bus driven onto either scum or a scummy town. If KCC is scum, and at least one of last and I are town, then she decided to shoot the person she said she was protecting, which undermines her claim, instead of just shooting Vez who she left open.
So, the possibilities are: 1. Vaimes lied about his target, 2.Kcc lied about her busdrive, 3. there's another bus drive effect? and 4. something happened with the neighborhood that swapped the target from last to me?
Regardless, we can use this. I think the main argument about my spring ability being a scum ability is that the "non-mafia" modifier, that makes the ability a town finder, could just be something to make sure my ability doesn't give scum!me info I already know. But, my other two abilities don't have that "non-mafia" modifier, which I think disproves that theory, so I can send one of them to Vaimes. The reasons not to do this are 1.if you guys think Vaimes and I are both scum, so his confirmation doesn't matter (I don't think anyone really think that at this point though?) or 2.Vaimes is a third party and taking the last ability gives him what he wants (but that's probably just leaving the game anyway, so I don't think it really matter).
If she's a wolf and you're town, the wolves knew who she was busdriving and would have targeted Vaimes to kill Axel lmao
Lol, yeah, I definitely intentionally destroyed my own claim. That's the kind of high quality strategy you get from me
If I was scum, I would have busdrove the NK onto a buddy to clear myself at some point. Ask KJ
Wait, what are we asking me?
Vaimes: Now that I know I giving you an ability isn't mandatory I really don't care if you target me. There's one ability I don't want to lose. Now I know I can just... not give it.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm weirdly currently entertaining the idea that the neighborhood is just the scumchat. All three members are candidates for scum, and I'm actively scumreading two of them.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
When I target someone, they get told as soon as Day starts. vezok asked me to claim my target, I said I targeted you, and you completely brushed over it.
Vaimes: Now that I know I giving you an ability isn't mandatory I really don't care if you target me. There's one ability I don't want to lose. Now I know I can just... not give it.
I don't know why anyone would bother redirecting me. I was very shruggy about who I picked.
Although it's probably not all 3 given that all three of them hammered onto Keldeo. But there's probably one scum in fulcrum/last because the Keldeo/KCC wagons were evem amd fulcrum pushed it to 6 votes and last haammered. That's if KCC is scum like I think.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Vezok Why is last town to you again? Also fulcrum? They hammered Keldeo, so there's a good chance one of them is scum I think.
Hey, maybe you shouldn't decide hammering Keldeo over KCC makes me scum before knowing if KCC is even scum
I'm scumreading KCC. Also I never said it makes you scum, jsut that it increases the likelyhood. You just kinda got really defensive there while not being attacked.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
It's the same as saying Fulcrum has to be a wolf because there was a roleblock on them via a dead townie and when there was no nightkill the same night, it's impossible to defend against that, and it's impossible to know what mafia did that night
Occam's Razer says sure, we probably should evaluate that, but I really don't think they are a wol at this time
Ok, I don't really have a better place silver should have targeted, won't criticize that. Just felt like his claim came from silver/proph/asta or dk worlds.
I would like some feedback from Killjoy and Vez on whether I should give Vaimes one of my more useless abilities.
It's the same as saying Fulcrum has to be a wolf because there was a roleblock on them via a dead townie and when there was no nightkill the same night, it's impossible to defend against that, and it's impossible to know what mafia did that night
Occam's Razer says sure, we probably should evaluate that, but I really don't think they are a wol at this time
If Vaimes targetted you instead of me, there must be something else going on redirect wise. I don't have any good explanations.
dk has nothing in his role PM that suggests his targets know they're being bodyguarded, but Asta got mod confirmation that [someone with dk's claimed flavor] was targeting him, or something.
Yeah, I don't think fonti or wisp are scum and willing shot into my targets.
I did place a trap on Axel, so someone ran into that.
Silver's probably lying about that ability, which is fun, cause that's where I was leaning anyway.
My only question here is when you got results
Dkings specifically claimed he could have picked during the day but hadn't had a chance to so he picked after the hammer, I wanted confirmation that the bodyguard wasn't something the two of them made up between them
How could I be covering for Asta, exactly?
I'm town
Vezok is town
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Last might be town by role (Dreaming God is a weird wolf role), kind of also think he's uninformed despite, rather than because of, his continued insistence that he is
Vaimes seems fine and there isn't room for the day kill on his role
Proph has some questionable targets on his orbs but doesn't make sense as a primary wolf manipulative and the daykill doesn't fit on his role.
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Killjoy is mechanically town unless he's exactly a wolf with fulcrum (is probably town either way on behavior + fulcrum's role and result are probably true regardless of her alignment, plus giving wolves his ability steal ability and Rhand's seems weird). There does exist a world where I'm wrong about him/Rhand's roles being exclusive and fulcrum is covering for him, but if he's a wolf he's going to F3 and I'm not even mad. His role has the most "space" for the daykill other than Dkings and Asta, too, given that he's only claimed one ability
Dkingsland probably is a bodyguard in a set up with no extra non-wolf kills, confirmed by Asta and me confirming someone targeted Asta N1, makes some sense as the day killer by flavor
Asta is a double voter during Spring and Summer and has a Winter ability to increase lunch threshold by 1? His posts are infrequent but seem ~fine. Mechanically he could be wolf #4 with KCC/fulcrum, makes some sense as the day killer by flavor (he claims his double vote wasn't enabled until summer, didn't use it until after Gemma died so it might have been unlocked by him killing her? Still kind of think he was hiding it but it's a thing that could be.)
1-2 in:
Fulcrum is probably the wolf investigative with Axel's flip
KCC is probably the wolf manipulative
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Really wish I had time to try to make a behavioral case on my wolf reads but I just don't
We're at 7/3 which means a mislunch toDay puts us in 5/3 Mylo
Given that fulcrum is mechanically the best lunch, since she has a lot of wolf equity and if I'm somehow wrong it hard clears Killjoy
vote: fulcrum
I'd be willing to lunch KCC toDay as well, don't think I'd go elsewhere though
Also was I bussing Rhand now? Lmao
I have no idea what you're doing if you're town tbh
Lol, yeah, I definitely intentionally destroyed my own claim. That's the kind of high quality strategy you get from me
If I was scum, I would have busdrove the NK onto a buddy to clear myself at some point. Ask KJ
Beginning of the Night, when it changed to Winter.
Uh, no. She said she was targeting Vaimes and Axel with two different abilities, one would have the winter delay on them the other would be busdriven with a third, scummy person. If KCC is town and Last or I are mafia, then we shot Axel with 50% chance the shot would be bus driven onto either scum or a scummy town. If KCC is scum, and at least one of last and I are town, then she decided to shoot the person she said she was protecting, which undermines her claim, instead of just shooting Vez who she left open.
Last, is there a reason you didn't feel like mentioning a lack of a vendor message from the mod?
Regardless, we can use this. I think the main argument about my spring ability being a scum ability is that the "non-mafia" modifier, that makes the ability a town finder, could just be something to make sure my ability doesn't give scum!me info I already know. But, my other two abilities don't have that "non-mafia" modifier, which I think disproves that theory, so I can send one of them to Vaimes. The reasons not to do this are 1.if you guys think Vaimes and I are both scum, so his confirmation doesn't matter (I don't think anyone really think that at this point though?) or 2.Vaimes is a third party and taking the last ability gives him what he wants (but that's probably just leaving the game anyway, so I don't think it really matter).
Lookin' at you, KJ, but only half-seriously.
Vaimes: Now that I know I giving you an ability isn't mandatory I really don't care if you target me. There's one ability I don't want to lose. Now I know I can just... not give it.
I don't know why anyone would bother redirecting me. I was very shruggy about who I picked.
As for the neighborhood being scumchat, well. That sounds like something tom would do, maybe.
Not me.
Maybe? But those are weird targets?
This can't be the best explanation.
Lol. You don't remember our scum game together? You silenced me N1, I bussed you D2, getting a pass all the way to endgame for an easy win
I woke up, late for work, then had to rush to work
This is the first time im getting to back read outside my 15 min break
And I probably wouldn't have bothered making a comment on it anyways, since it means nothing
Because the less actions being taken, the better chance we can lock in another town based on a certain someone's ability
I have too many townreads. I really need to do some VCA. Vaimes and killjoy are god tier town status for me. Last and fulcrum are a step below.
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I'll think about it.
Hey, maybe you shouldn't decide hammering Keldeo over KCC makes me scum before knowing if KCC is even scum
This is exactly where I am
Someone had to hammer, the chances of proph coming back, were slim, fulcrum made their choice, so I made mine
Meh. If scum has one of those, the other doesn't actually add anything. It's the same ability done differently in a different season.
I'm kinda with you on Asta not being likely scum, but that's my wildcard #4 pick
Occam's Razer says sure, we probably should evaluate that, but I really don't think they are a wol at this time
KCC pointed out that there isn't actually a combo for Asta, the double vote and vote threshold change are always in different seasons
I would like some feedback from Killjoy and Vez on whether I should give Vaimes one of my more useless abilities.
If Vaimes targetted you instead of me, there must be something else going on redirect wise. I don't have any good explanations.
Why? Did I miss something?
Also I don't understand the whole Asta confirming DV thing, it really confuses me
Vaimes said he targeted you, but I got the ability instead.
I'll dig up what Asta has said about DK, since I think that's what you're asking about?