@Killjoy
Because Fulcrum has a check on you??
am I mistaken?
but your paranoid that she's the wolf in your chat.
I can only be scum with fulcrum, so why are you just randomly dismissing me as scum?
And, DO you have a conclusion? I want to know what you think. I'm not expecting anything specific.
no at this point I think the only thing that bothers me is the no night kill on night 1, and Keldeo's roleblock being on Fulcrum, but I am choosing to ignore that. I told you, I dont believe either KCC or Fulcrum is a wolf
Killjoy, do you have a problem with me?
and again I will ask, What conclusion should I have? that question is so broad
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
both of Proph's votes were interesting in the fact that neither probably was going to happen given the collectives town reads on Asta, and everything surrounding DK's claim
like I said, I really did not like on Proph was actively saying he was trying to get his own read on Keldeo, but never really got there, he just left his vote on Asta, and let Keldeo die
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KCC had a post in the chat that felt super pure
"I aint even going to fight my lynch tomorrow, honestly I know I'm probably not endgaming given my role, I will eventually need to be PoE'd"
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Do you have any conclusions based on vezok not dying?
no I dont particularly care for NKA, its for the most part just wine
I wont even bother laying out thoughts on the matter
if you go back and read early last day phase, I had chat open up a chat with KCC/Fulcrum, called the Friendly Chat, which directly correlates with my dream choice of Friendship, so I think it's fair to say my ability caused that
we also have an idea of what revenge may do but I am just going to keep that on the down-low as I don't want to muddy how the wolves may or not play today
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Asta was visited on N1 which I ~think confirms Dkingsland (more than he was, anyway) since no one else claimed Asta as their N1 target and dkings said he bodyguarded him N1.
to start off, KCC, Me, and fulcrum talked a decent amount during the night, and at this point I really just believe we are all town, I still am worried that Fulcrum could be the wolf the carried the factional KP on night 1, and was roleblocked by Keldeo, but I really do not want to use night actions to bury someone again, like we did with Keldeo
if we are going to lynch anyone that was in my chat, I expect some extraordinary cases on them
and since I believe that, Killjoy is always town, Vezok is obviously always town
Asta, dkingsland967, Silvercrys, Vaimes, Prophylaxis
so that is my PoE
They must've snowed you pretty good, dude
I'm town, dkings is a bodyguard with no extra non-wolf kill power in the setup, that leaves the double voter and two manipulatives that can't even control whether their abilities work
There's a world where Dkingsland's ability protects from the lunch and he's a wolf with Asta and also has unclaimed abilities, I suppose. Like maybe he had the daykill and got the bodyguard after he used it or something, he's the only "active" role to only have one mostly passive ability (even Asta has a Winter active lmao)
But I'd be pretty shocked if both of KCC and fulcrum are town. I can't build a strong enough wolf team with the remaining claims versus all the flipped town roles (tom and Keldeo both had a lot of disruption, pitting them and KCC against Proph + Vaimes roles seems really unfair to the wolves lmao)
I voted Keldeo because someone had to die, thats it
@Silver
I dont really believe so, like I said, if you expect my vote to go there, you need a lot more than that
Axel dying is kind of making me doubt the neighborhood, last
don't do this to me
Ok, I mean, it makes me think you're more town. Idk about kcc though, because like, she could have easily just shot Vezok with what she was claiming without introducing any doubts.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Axel dying is kind of making me doubt the neighborhood, last
What's your take on the neighborhood? Also is what last said true? Can you give your account on it?
humm.
I'm not as confident as last is. I felt like I was talking to town in there. Thinking more on it, I think the kill is really weird if kcc is scum, since I thought she was going to bus drive Axel with someone.
Axel dying is kind of making me doubt the neighborhood, last
What's your take on the neighborhood? Also is what last said true? Can you give your account on it?
humm.
I'm not as confident as last is. I felt like I was talking to town in there. Thinking more on it, I think the kill is really weird if kcc is scum, since I thought she was going to bus drive Axel with someone.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Asta is more likely town than not both behaviorally and mechanically (will acknowledge that DV could've purposefully created a vote/lunch manipulating scum role to prevent modgaming), dkings is probably a trueclaiming bodyguard but he literally has nothing else going for him imo, vezok is a Mason, Axel flipped town, and KCC is controversy incarnate. If Last and fulcrum are town, dkings or KCC just have to be scum here. I think Silver is moving up in my suspicions rather than down, just because I'm running out of townreads.
I am reeeally struggling to see three living scum here, but they have to be somewhere.
Slots that need to be poked at are dk, Silver, KCC, and Proph. fulcrum/Last/KJ are people who I want to be clear but have like, very minor lingering doubts on. No interest in looking there until the first four are sorted/killed.
I've been lazy about looking at Rhand interactions but this gamestate is annoying so I'll find time to do that this week.
what? I specifically told her to busdrive either Killjoy/Vezok with someone?
if she busdrove Vezok with Axel for example, that would be weird given she believed that Silver was more wolfy than Axel
what? I specifically told her to busdrive either Killjoy/Vezok with someone?
if she busdrove Vezok with Axel for example, that would be weird given she believed that Silver was more wolfy than Axel
KCC's last protection targets she mentioned were Axel and Vaimes.
Axel dying is kind of making me doubt the neighborhood, last
What's your take on the neighborhood? Also is what last said true? Can you give your account on it?
humm.
I'm not as confident as last is. I felt like I was talking to town in there. Thinking more on it, I think the kill is really weird if kcc is scum, since I thought she was going to bus drive Axel with someone.
She can only bus drive in summer I think.
Summer unlocked two bus drives she could use at any time.
In the town!KCC world, dk is scum. Silver looks like scum, Proph looks like scum. All of this hinges on KCC/fulcrum/Last/KJ/Asta being Not Mafia. If KCC is scum, it...doesn't really change much for me, except Silver is probably town.
dk is probably hiding something about his role. A town bodyguard sitting on one (publicly claimed) target for four Nights seems like a completely worthless ability.
dk is probably hiding something about his role. A town bodyguard sitting on one (publicly claimed) target for four Nights seems like a completely worthless ability.
Asta was visited on N1 which I ~think confirms Dkingsland (more than he was, anyway) since no one else claimed Asta as their N1 target and dkings said he bodyguarded him N1.
to start off, KCC, Me, and fulcrum talked a decent amount during the night, and at this point I really just believe we are all town, I still am worried that Fulcrum could be the wolf the carried the factional KP on night 1, and was roleblocked by Keldeo, but I really do not want to use night actions to bury someone again, like we did with Keldeo
if we are going to lynch anyone that was in my chat, I expect some extraordinary cases on them
and since I believe that, Killjoy is always town, Vezok is obviously always town
Asta, dkingsland967, Silvercrys, Vaimes, Prophylaxis
so that is my PoE
They must've snowed you pretty good, dude
I'm town, dkings is a bodyguard with no extra non-wolf kill power in the setup, that leaves the double voter and two manipulatives that can't even control whether their abilities work
There's a world where Dkingsland's ability protects from the lunch and he's a wolf with Asta and also has unclaimed abilities, I suppose. Like maybe he had the daykill and got the bodyguard after he used it or something, he's the only "active" role to only have one mostly passive ability (even Asta has a Winter active lmao)
But I'd be pretty shocked if both of KCC and fulcrum are town. I can't build a strong enough wolf team with the remaining claims versus all the flipped town roles (tom and Keldeo both had a lot of disruption, pitting them and KCC against Proph + Vaimes roles seems really unfair to the wolves lmao)
vote: KittyCupCake
Dkingused used his shot during the day.
Can everyone start claiming what they did tonight? Vaimes should have done so in his first post. KCC needs to come here and claim. Killjoy also needs to fullclaim so we can understand what the **** is happening.
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Titania, Town Summer Queen
Summer – Choose a target. Can choose during the day or night. Bodyguard the target for the rest of the game. Can change the target during the next Summer.
N1: Targeted Asta. Confirmed by Asta.
This is what Axel wrote when he was consolidating claims. Someone will have to search dk’s ISO to see if he really did pick Asta during the Day.
ya DK picked his target during the day... but he still highly likely visits at night
Chill @Vezok
I agree on the rest, people should stop being so secretive of their night actions
but the day just started
Dk as claimed, does not target during the night. He is simply passively protecting the target.
if thats true then Silver is completely bull*****ting us
but his ability is definitely real, confirmed by Fulcrum
I'm only confirming the name, dude
ya I realized that now lol
w/e it does could easily be made up
secondly I went through DK's Iso and see nothing of him saying it passive hench he doesn't actually visit
and lets say this was true, Silver is pretty much outted from this claim then
the scum!silver world I see for doing this, is to lie about his ability based on what he told us it did?
I don't think him concluding that DK did what he did makes either Asta or DK town though, so the conclusion is meh
"the scum!silver world I see for doing this, is to lie about his ability based on what he told us it did?"
to continue on from this, if scum!Silver had to lie about what his ability did, then this would be the easiest thing to lie about, since its public knowledge
probably? I think its less likely that Silver is protecting DK in this world, more so trying to use this public knowledge to hide his real ability, and lower the PoE to make you and KCC look worse
I also don't really appreciate this comment
"They must've snowed you pretty good, dude"
Silver has no idea how I think or any idea what we talked about
[quote=Vaimes]Asta is more likely town than not both behaviorally and mechanically (will acknowledge that DV could've purposefully created a vote/lunch manipulating scum role to prevent modgaming), dkings is probably a trueclaiming bodyguard but he literally has nothing else going for him imo, vezok is a Mason, Axel flipped town, and KCC is controversy incarnate. If Last and fulcrum are town, dkings or KCC just have to be scum here. I think Silver is moving up in my suspicions rather than down, just because I'm running out of townreads.
I don't believe Asta is mechanically town honestly, and I think behaviorally he certainly hasnt done anything wolfy, but like other than probably his overall tone, and naturalness, I dont think he is particularly townie
"If Last and fulcrum are town, dkings or KCC just have to be scum here."
I don't get why this has to be?
I wanna work on Silver and Proph atm
I am having a hard time seeing DK being a wolf without Asta
Asta is more likely town than not both behaviorally and mechanically (will acknowledge that DV could've purposefully created a vote/lunch manipulating scum role to prevent modgaming), dkings is probably a trueclaiming bodyguard but he literally has nothing else going for him imo, vezok is a Mason, Axel flipped town, and KCC is controversy incarnate. If Last and fulcrum are town, dkings or KCC just have to be scum here. I think Silver is moving up in my suspicions rather than down, just because I'm running out of townreads.
I don't believe Asta is mechanically town honestly, and I think behaviorally he certainly hasnt done anything wolfy, but like other than probably his overall tone, and naturalness, I dont think he is particularly townie
"If Last and fulcrum are town, dkings or KCC just have to be scum here."
I don't get why this has to be?
I wanna work on Silver and Proph atm
I am having a hard time seeing DK being a wolf without Asta
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
no at this point I think the only thing that bothers me is the no night kill on night 1, and Keldeo's roleblock being on Fulcrum, but I am choosing to ignore that. I told you, I dont believe either KCC or Fulcrum is a wolf
Killjoy, do you have a problem with me?
and again I will ask, What conclusion should I have? that question is so broad
like I said, I really did not like on Proph was actively saying he was trying to get his own read on Keldeo, but never really got there, he just left his vote on Asta, and let Keldeo die
And again, there's nothing I'm expecting. Do you have an opinion or not?
like the above question was perfectly fine
"I aint even going to fight my lynch tomorrow, honestly I know I'm probably not endgaming given my role, I will eventually need to be PoE'd"
I wont even bother laying out thoughts on the matter
if you go back and read early last day phase, I had chat open up a chat with KCC/Fulcrum, called the Friendly Chat, which directly correlates with my dream choice of Friendship, so I think it's fair to say my ability caused that
we also have an idea of what revenge may do but I am just going to keep that on the down-low as I don't want to muddy how the wolves may or not play today
Can you tell me why you voted Keldeo?
Also did you express your townread of KCC in the chat?
Asta was visited on N1 which I ~think confirms Dkingsland (more than he was, anyway) since no one else claimed Asta as their N1 target and dkings said he bodyguarded him N1.
They must've snowed you pretty good, dude
I'm town, dkings is a bodyguard with no extra non-wolf kill power in the setup, that leaves the double voter and two manipulatives that can't even control whether their abilities work
There's a world where Dkingsland's ability protects from the lunch and he's a wolf with Asta and also has unclaimed abilities, I suppose. Like maybe he had the daykill and got the bodyguard after he used it or something, he's the only "active" role to only have one mostly passive ability (even Asta has a Winter active lmao)
But I'd be pretty shocked if both of KCC and fulcrum are town. I can't build a strong enough wolf team with the remaining claims versus all the flipped town roles (tom and Keldeo both had a lot of disruption, pitting them and KCC against Proph + Vaimes roles seems really unfair to the wolves lmao)
vote: KittyCupCake
@Silver
I dont really believe so, like I said, if you expect my vote to go there, you need a lot more than that
thought we'd be in spring
Ok, I mean, it makes me think you're more town. Idk about kcc though, because like, she could have easily just shot Vezok with what she was claiming without introducing any doubts.
I saw Winds of Past last Night, btw.
If I believe silver's result, I might claim soon.
humm.
I'm not as confident as last is. I felt like I was talking to town in there. Thinking more on it, I think the kill is really weird if kcc is scum, since I thought she was going to bus drive Axel with someone.
KittyCupCake(5) - Keldeo, Silvercrys, Vaimes, lastwhisper, Killjoy
Asta (1)- Prophylaxis
Prophylaxis(1) - fulcrum
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Okay, gloves gotta come off a bit.
Asta is more likely town than not both behaviorally and mechanically (will acknowledge that DV could've purposefully created a vote/lunch manipulating scum role to prevent modgaming), dkings is probably a trueclaiming bodyguard but he literally has nothing else going for him imo, vezok is a Mason, Axel flipped town, and KCC is controversy incarnate. If Last and fulcrum are town, dkings or KCC just have to be scum here. I think Silver is moving up in my suspicions rather than down, just because I'm running out of townreads.
I am reeeally struggling to see three living scum here, but they have to be somewhere.
Slots that need to be poked at are dk, Silver, KCC, and Proph. fulcrum/Last/KJ are people who I want to be clear but have like, very minor lingering doubts on. No interest in looking there until the first four are sorted/killed.
I've been lazy about looking at Rhand interactions but this gamestate is annoying so I'll find time to do that this week.
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Vote Silver
if she busdrove Vezok with Axel for example, that would be weird given she believed that Silver was more wolfy than Axel
KCC's last protection targets she mentioned were Axel and Vaimes.
Vote: Silver
Choo Choo
Summer unlocked two bus drives she could use at any time.
No Lynch (2): Vaimes (#1846), Axelrod (#1882)
Nachomamma8 (2): Rhand (#1988), KittyCupCake (#2065)
dkingsland967 (4): Grapefruit21 (#1489), Nachomamma8 (#1647), Silvercrys3467 (#2088), fulcrum (#2103)
KittyCupCake (8): dkingsland967 (#942), tomsloger (#1967), Killjoy (#1990), Asta x2 (#2016), vezokpiraka (#2128), Lastwhisper (#2143), Keldeo (#2147
Abstaining (1): Prophylaxis
In the town!KCC world, dk is scum. Silver looks like scum, Proph looks like scum. All of this hinges on KCC/fulcrum/Last/KJ/Asta being Not Mafia. If KCC is scum, it...doesn't really change much for me, except Silver is probably town.
publicly claimed?
Also Asta was informed of being targeted slash guarded, but dk’s role doesn’t mention being loud? Or something. I sorta brushed over that.
Dkingused used his shot during the day.
Can everyone start claiming what they did tonight? Vaimes should have done so in his first post. KCC needs to come here and claim. Killjoy also needs to fullclaim so we can understand what the **** is happening.
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Chill @Vezok
I agree on the rest, people should stop being so secretive of their night actions
but the day just started
make sure you don't take an action tonight
I wont say why
Dk as claimed, does not target during the night. He is simply passively protecting the target.
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but his ability is definitely real, confirmed by Fulcrum
Summer – Choose a target. Can choose during the day or night. Bodyguard the target for the rest of the game. Can change the target during the next Summer.
N1: Targeted Asta. Confirmed by Asta.
This is what Axel wrote when he was consolidating claims. Someone will have to search dk’s ISO to see if he really did pick Asta during the Day.
I'm only confirming the name, dude
w/e it does could easily be made up
secondly I went through DK's Iso and see nothing of him saying it passive hench he doesn't actually visit
and lets say this was true, Silver is pretty much outted from this claim then
the scum!silver world I see for doing this, is to lie about his ability based on what he told us it did?
I don't think him concluding that DK did what he did makes either Asta or DK town though, so the conclusion is meh
to continue on from this, if scum!Silver had to lie about what his ability did, then this would be the easiest thing to lie about, since its public knowledge
"They must've snowed you pretty good, dude"
Silver has no idea how I think or any idea what we talked about
I don't believe Asta is mechanically town honestly, and I think behaviorally he certainly hasnt done anything wolfy, but like other than probably his overall tone, and naturalness, I dont think he is particularly townie
"If Last and fulcrum are town, dkings or KCC just have to be scum here."
I don't get why this has to be?
I wanna work on Silver and Proph atm
I am having a hard time seeing DK being a wolf without Asta
EDWOP
No, I'm not saying that. I'm just not thrilled with the usage, will sleep on what I think he could have done instead.
but lets go back to when I said, "It didnt look like anyone was defending Keldeo"
and "I think Axel's wall always makes him town"
being uninformed sucks honestly
call this shade, but its mostly me being frustrated in myself, for not trusting my reads