I mean I certainly didnt think he had to be mafia? I expressed thoughts on why he could be either alignment, but you on the other hand just decided to vote off-wagon on someone who was almost never getting lynched without a case that could somehow beat peoples thoughts on Keldeo
I think the way Asta handled Rhand further makes him town.
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Also his ability combo seems really good to both be on scum.
KJ, can you explain both of these statements? How exactly does the way Asta handled Rhand make Asta town? How does a season-limited double vote in a game with multiple public confirmed abilities and an unproven lynch threshold reducer make Asta town?
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Hot take: Proph is scum because he didn't give me a blue orb last Night.
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Even so, it was winter, he gave someone a blue orb, and for some reason it wasn't me, the guy with the alignment-checking ability.
TBH, I completely blanked on you having an alignment-checking ability. I was still a little busy with the whole moving back in business and was catching up with friends earlier this week so I literally submitted an action last minute. If you want to lynch me for this, go ahead.
OK I'm mostly caught up, let me write down most of my reads in a separate post so I can sum up where I am at.
Killjoy is confirmed town from fulcrum and is only a wolf in worlds where fulcrum is a wolf. If Killjoy is a wolf with fulcrum, he's playing the best goddarn wolf game of his life, and I'm willing to lose to that. I think Killjoy can still be town in wolf fulcrum worlds.
Last has poured boundless energy trying to solve and think actively about this game and I think that is very evident from his posts. Think he's one of the towniest players in the game along with Killjoy if we're basing this solely on behavior. He's really reminding me of Phantom of the Opera Mafia right now where he's poking in a bunch of different areas and trying to extract the maximum possible value out of every players still alive in this game - this aspect to his playstyle completely absent from his wolf game.
Still think Silver is town; basically it comes down to how he interacted with Rhand Day 1 and the way he focused on him early Day 2 that makes me think he's not mafia. Think if Silver was scum with Rhand he'd have lots of opportunities Day 2 to either not add his vote to the wagon on Rhand or pivot off on him. This is another weird read but I feel like Silver would be pushing me way more if he was mafia rather than clear me based off of my role since I'm probably the easiest person for scum to push in this game atm.
Vaimes/Rhand interactions continue to make zero sense if they are buddies together (Rhand tried to push Vaimes as a neutral) and I think his general trajectory this game (complain about this game for long periods of time when the thread's a slog, suddenly perk up late game when Keldeo flips v) makes a lot of sense coming from town!Vaimes than scum!Vaimes (who would have probably lost a lot of energy for this game long ago tbh)
KCC is my blind spot but I agree with Silver in that I think there's a scum between one of KCC and fulcrum. I mentioned this before but I really liked KCC's debilitation and hesitation wrt voting/scumreading me Yesterday. Also I don't think that she just townreads Rhand and just straight up ignores the Rhand wagon if she's scum with him - think she would have tried to get on that wagon early or have some sort of nuanced opinion on it rather than say that she thought Rhand was town because he read her well, then disappear as deadline hit.
With Keldeo flipping town I now think that fulcrum can be a wolf, because I think that Keldeo roleblocking the nightkill N1 is the simplest explanation according to Occam's Razor. Don't like the single-minded focus she has on me getting me lynched and she's dismissing all of my posts as not solving when literally every one of them is trying to better understand the gamestate and mindset of everyone else in the game. Not really sure how she has the "check a non-mafia ability" if she's mafia here, but I'm at the point in the game where I want to trust my behavioral analysis over mechanics.
Ditto with dkings - he's only alive right now because he's a claimed bodyguard who is confirmed to have targeted Asta N1, and I think dkings targeted Asta with something else on that Night. His behavior is awful and his posting is sporadic. His focus on getting Keldeo lynched Yesterday was unnerving and agenda-driven.
Not to mention that both fulcrum and dkings tried to move off on Rhand on Day 2 and push Axelrod.
And Asta is the final member of our little scumteam. Think he's done a great job following the advice of his scumbuddies which is why he's been able to keep afloat for so long. fulcrum's been defending him heavily and his reads keep constantly changing to fit the narrative. First he says he loves Keldeo's posts then he votes Keldeo based on Axel's analysis - when he said a couple of posts before that Axel's interactions with Rhand felt suspicious. There is no progression there - just none.
Vote Asta
Asta/dkings/fulcrum. Know this has been a hard game but if we just focus on behavior and look who's actually solving then I think the scumteam can be easily picked apart by PoE. Just do the Newcomb method of putting the wolves into the box.
It's pretty much been "if you're not in my towncore, my reads depend on the last few posts you've done". I can understand well enough where his implosion is coming from-- I'm not a good player and haven't been improving because this chaotic game has kept me pretty disengaged.
I'm only going to post about once or twice a day, that's it, that's what ya get, that's what my schedule allows. If that winds up getting me mislynched, whatever, probably deserve it.
At the End of Day yesterday, my strongest bet was on voting KCC because she seemed like she was setting me up for a mislynch over some misunderstanding of my mechanics, seeming to believe that my voting activating in Summer was suspicious and magically related to the daykill, which uh. Wasn't following that. But I can't tell where she's at now, and Last seems to think she's town because he got a theoretical mini-mason jar. I'm not totally buying that we'd get to have 5 townies super confirmed, but I'm not not buying it either.
Hey Proph, I'm not alive because anyone's coaching me (I'd be posting WAY better and might actually be engaged enough to post more), I'm alive because I continue to be newbtown and mechanically cleared because so far people have rightfully believed scum wouldn't get a double voter. Only a shame it went to someone on their second game of mafia.
I'mma wait and see if a non-me counterwagon pops up that I disagree with to use Benevolent King but I will use it. Would prefer not to waste it just to confirm, but I can do that, too.
Fulcrum doesn't agree given that they believe it would be too strong, but I think the anonymity of it makes this a lot different since I don't know if it is true, rather I am assuming it to be true
I'm with fulcrum here, I'd be shocked if the ability was guaranteed to give you two townies.
I mean, I think it did, but that's pretty likely to happen even if random
Cool, let's do it then. I can give Vaimes either my winter or fall ability. I'd want to give the less useful one to Vaimes, but I don't really think either has much of a chance of catching anyone out.
I think I'm actually in favor of this. Might be worth it to calm my last lingering doubts on you
Hot take: Proph is scum because he didn't give me a blue orb last Night.
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Even so, it was winter, he gave someone a blue orb, and for some reason it wasn't me, the guy with the alignment-checking ability.
TBH, I completely blanked on you having an alignment-checking ability. I was still a little busy with the whole moving back in business and was catching up with friends earlier this week so I literally submitted an action last minute. If you want to lynch me for this, go ahead.
OK I'm mostly caught up, let me write down most of my reads in a separate post so I can sum up where I am at.
It's pretty much been "if you're not in my towncore, my reads depend on the last few posts you've done". I can understand well enough where his implosion is coming from-- I'm not a good player and haven't been improving because this chaotic game has kept me pretty disengaged.
I'm only going to post about once or twice a day, that's it, that's what ya get, that's what my schedule allows. If that winds up getting me mislynched, whatever, probably deserve it.
At the End of Day yesterday, my strongest bet was on voting KCC because she seemed like she was setting me up for a mislynch over some misunderstanding of my mechanics, seeming to believe that my voting activating in Summer was suspicious and magically related to the daykill, which uh. Wasn't following that. But I can't tell where she's at now, and Last seems to think she's town because he got a theoretical mini-mason jar. I'm not totally buying that we'd get to have 5 townies super confirmed, but I'm not not buying it either.
Hey Proph, I'm not alive because anyone's coaching me (I'd be posting WAY better and might actually be engaged enough to post more), I'm alive because I continue to be newbtown and mechanically cleared because so far people have rightfully believed scum wouldn't get a double voter. Only a shame it went to someone on their second game of mafia.
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Please use your lynch threshold lowering ability now on someone who is not getting lynched like me or killjoy. That is assuming we get some sort of confirmation from the mod you used this ability. Otherwise keep it to yourself and never use it.
I really don't want to get blown out by scum you having this ability and ******* up the lynch.
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Hey Vaimes, let's talk. Let's say dkings flip scum. What does that make Asta?
I'm willing to vote either dkings or asta with no remorse. I'm a bit iffy on proph simply because his role is just too weird for scum and I kinda liked shadow in the beginning.
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The only person I might be tempted to use it on is DK but honestly, **** it, mafia haven't seemed particularly strategic with their kills or you'd be dead, vez. Honestly between you being an obvious target not taken and you shooting Nacho of all people, I'm less inclined to believe you're an actual normal Mason and aren't some weird scum variant that got paired with a town mason.
The only person I might be tempted to use it on is DK but honestly, **** it, mafia haven't seemed particularly strategic with their kills or you'd be dead, vez. Honestly between you being an obvious target not taken and you shooting Nacho of all people, I'm less inclined to believe you're an actual normal Mason and aren't some weird scum variant that got paired with a town mason.
I don't think you understand how Mason's work, and NKA is wifom
Please use your lynch threshold lowering ability now on someone who is not getting lynched like me or killjoy.
Okay, wait.
I was under this impression too, but that's not how Asta is talking, and I just went back to find his claim, and apparently Asta did claim threshold increase. -Where did the idea it lowers comes from?
NVM, I just did a thorough skim of posts after Astas claim, to see if maybe Asta is scum false claiming and a buddy slipped in discussing his ability, but I'm not finding anything
I guess we both just misread/misremembered it the same way
I am going to try to reread everyone today
Killjoy/Vezok
are out of the picture, because I think regardless of anything
Vezok is just super pure, I dont even need the Mason claim to re-evaluate that
and Killjoy has had some really towny posts, and I dont think wolf!killjoy has the balls to FoS on me as a wolf
if I am wrong about killjoy I will figure that out later
Right now we have to get a wolf, or we will be in a very brutal mylo/lylo tomorrow
@Silver
if you are town, I still think that even if there has to be a wolf in KCC/Fulcrum
I do not think they are both wolves at this time, but I will get back to you on this once I make my read list at some point
@Silver
if you are town, I still think that even if there has to be a wolf in KCC/Fulcrum
I do not think they are both wolves at this time, but I will get back to you on this once I make my read list at some point
ohh I nevered finished this thought, I dont think they are both wolves, and if one has to be a wolf I am leaning towards Fulcrum, not KCC
The only person I might be tempted to use it on is DK but honestly, **** it, mafia haven't seemed particularly strategic with their kills or you'd be dead, vez. Honestly between you being an obvious target not taken and you shooting Nacho of all people, I'm less inclined to believe you're an actual normal Mason and aren't some weird scum variant that got paired with a town mason.
Okay, I know this is your first game with Masons and all, but this vezok paranoia is starting to grate. Masons cannot be scum. With Grape flipped, there is 0 doubt that vezok has a town role PM. To say otherwise would be bastard modding, and this is not a bastard game. Scum leave confirmed villagers alive all the time, usually because there are other threats to deal with, or the confirmed villager has bad reads or isn't throwing their weight around much.
We're getting close to endgame, and I'd like for you to do a little bit more than flail around and say you don't know what's going on. Otherwise you are probably going to be lunched, and if you're a villager, we can't have that.
Hey Vaimes, let's talk. Let's say dkings flip scum. What does that make Asta?
I'm willing to vote either dkings or asta with no remorse. I'm a bit iffy on proph simply because his role is just too weird for scum and I kinda liked shadow in the beginning.
I think it would be weird for them both to be scum, what with the whole "dk's role was confirmed to me by the mod even though his role PM says nothing about it" thing. They would both know that dk is omitting parts of his role, and it probably never would've gotten brought up. I think we're in scum!dk, town!Asta worlds, and Asta is being pushed as a mislunch toDay.
Proph is half-assing and I don't trust his push on fulcrum.
lets go way back and look at this train, where KCC is being run up
what exactly are the wolves doing here, if KCC is a wolf?
My votal assumed town!KCC, but I'll comment on scum!KCC worlds.
KCC and Rhand being on a nowhere wagon would be reeeally weird if KCC is scum. Unless the other two scum are dk and Asta, scum aren't really bussing, which means they won't get towncred, so all of this makes KCC look really, really town.
The only person I might be tempted to use it on is DK but honestly, **** it, mafia haven't seemed particularly strategic with their kills or you'd be dead, vez. Honestly between you being an obvious target not taken and you shooting Nacho of all people, I'm less inclined to believe you're an actual normal Mason and aren't some weird scum variant that got paired with a town mason.
Okay, I know this is your first game with Masons and all, but this vezok paranoia is starting to grate. Masons cannot be scum. With Grape flipped, there is 0 doubt that vezok has a town role PM. To say otherwise would be bastard modding, and this is not a bastard game. Scum leave confirmed villagers alive all the time, usually because there are other threats to deal with, or the confirmed villager has bad reads or isn't throwing their weight around much.
We're getting close to endgame, and I'd like for you to do a little bit more than flail around and say you don't know what's going on. Otherwise you are probably going to be lunched, and if you're a villager, we can't have that.
I think it's almost impossible for fulcrum to be a wolf without KJ. She would have had to know (or guess) that he has a spring ability, and not only is KJ still unclaimed, I ~don't think he's talked about his Night actions at all outside of copying Axel's ability.
I bring this up all the time, but I was once in a game where an Innocent Child activated Day 2, and lived all the way to endgame on Day 8. Her reads were awful.
I bring this up all the time, but I was once in a game where an Innocent Child activated Day 2, and lived all the way to endgame on Day 8. Her reads were awful.
Exactly, I dont think they have to kill Vezok here, because the PoE is so open anyways
Hey Vaimes, let's talk. Let's say dkings flip scum. What does that make Asta?
I'm willing to vote either dkings or asta with no remorse. I'm a bit iffy on proph simply because his role is just too weird for scum and I kinda liked shadow in the beginning.
I think it would be weird for them both to be scum, what with the whole "dk's role was confirmed to me by the mod even though his role PM says nothing about it" thing. They would both know that dk is omitting parts of his role, and it probably never would've gotten brought up. I think we're in scum!dk, town!Asta worlds, and Asta is being pushed as a mislunch toDay.
Proph is half-assing and I don't trust his push on fulcrum.
Still think Silver is town; basically it comes down to how he interacted with Rhand Day 1 and the way he focused on him early Day 2 that makes me think he's not mafia. Think if Silver was scum with Rhand he'd have lots of opportunities Day 2 to either not add his vote to the wagon on Rhand or pivot off on him. This is another weird read but I feel like Silver would be pushing me way more if he was mafia rather than clear me based off of my role since I'm probably the easiest person for scum to push in this game atm.
Fulcrum: Proph, Silver or Axel, one of Kcc/Vaimes/Asta/you
dont think it can be both Silver/Axel, and everyone in the last group as reason to be town
Me: Please dont hedge on Vaimes, I will lose my sanity
Fulcrum: Hahaha, Sorry
I dont think Vaimes is mafia here? hes definitely not proph level scum, but if I die tonight then something is super wrong with the PoE.
something that I pulled from the chat, for a second there, Fulcrum didn't believe that Vaimes had to be town, and idk? I just really like that
I feel like dk was actually trying with the keldeo lynch though. If all of me, kcc, keldeo, Silver and axel are town he doesn't really need to do that, he can just let us kill each other and avoid pissing anyone off
Winter: Winds of Past (Target player, learn if they were targeted on a past night (that you choose? Not just all nights
lets go way back and look at this train, where KCC is being run up
what exactly are the wolves doing here, if KCC is a wolf?
Either giving her up or banking on the lunch not going through (dkings/Asta/KCC)
...
Lol
Okay assuming Vaimes confirms fulcrum's other ability... I think those are the wolves, would rather Asta first though
lmao, if they wanted to bank on the lynch not going through, in a KCC/DK/Asta world, then why the hell wouldnt one of them just move their vote somewhere else, specifically Asta?
lets go way back and look at this train, where KCC is being run up
what exactly are the wolves doing here, if KCC is a wolf?
Either giving her up or banking on the lunch not going through (dkings/Asta/KCC)
...
Lol
Okay assuming Vaimes confirms fulcrum's other ability... I think those are the wolves, would rather Asta first though
lmao, if they wanted to bank on the lynch not going through, in a KCC/DK/Asta world, then why the hell wouldnt one of them just move their vote somewhere else, specifically Asta?
I just don't believe that honestly
In that world, they did try to move elsewhere, on Nacho.
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M1ndreaver has been prodded. I won't say the replacement situation is dire, but its not great and I'm giving it a few days more before I start assessing current/other options.
Not a fan of how Asta keeps using the newbtown defense in order to justify not lynching him - also, his post feels like he's trying to set up KCC as a mislynch after me.
His post also contains zero reasoning as to why he believes I am mafia - it's just an OMGUS vote. I don't think the double vote holds up as mechanical confirmation when we have a mason pair in the game.
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I'm willing to vote either dkings or asta with no remorse. I'm a bit iffy on proph simply because his role is just too weird for scum and I kinda liked shadow in the beginning.
vezok, do you have any opinion on me that's not based on shadow or my role? I don't recall you saying anything about me behaviorally or talked to me at all this game?
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@Asta's post against Proph is so bad? It literally reads as, "you are just jealous that I am a pure town read, and you are not"
This is the rest of the votecount. dking can be scum voting me, fulcrum and Vaimes are probably not scum and that leaves proph scum not voting for anything because he is away.
All I'm coming to is silver/KCC/Asta scumteam. Can someone color day 2 and day 3 votecounts?
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The only person I might be tempted to use it on is DK but honestly, **** it, mafia haven't seemed particularly strategic with their kills or you'd be dead, vez. Honestly between you being an obvious target not taken and you shooting Nacho of all people, I'm less inclined to believe you're an actual normal Mason and aren't some weird scum variant that got paired with a town mason.
I'm going to take a moment and reiterate, Asta, the only 100% confirmed living player is Vez. She's town. Trust it.
Not a fan of how Asta keeps using the newbtown defense in order to justify not lynching him - also, his post feels like he's trying to set up KCC as a mislynch after me.
His post also contains zero reasoning as to why he believes I am mafia - it's just an OMGUS vote. I don't think the double vote holds up as mechanical confirmation when we have a mason pair in the game.
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I'm willing to vote either dkings or asta with no remorse. I'm a bit iffy on proph simply because his role is just too weird for scum and I kinda liked shadow in the beginning.
vezok, do you have any opinion on me that's not based on shadow or my role? I don't recall you saying anything about me behaviorally or talked to me at all this game?
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@Asta's post against Proph is so bad? It literally reads as, "you are just jealous that I am a pure town read, and you are not"
This is the rest of the votecount. dking can be scum voting me, fulcrum and Vaimes are probably not scum and that leaves proph scum not voting for anything because he is away.
All I'm coming to is silver/KCC/Asta scumteam. Can someone color day 2 and day 3 votecounts?
An Asta/shadow team just wouldn't have been around to vote, making it easier for all town wagons to form on town.
I really want to see where you go with Asta
TBH, I completely blanked on you having an alignment-checking ability. I was still a little busy with the whole moving back in business and was catching up with friends earlier this week so I literally submitted an action last minute. If you want to lynch me for this, go ahead.
OK I'm mostly caught up, let me write down most of my reads in a separate post so I can sum up where I am at.
Prophylaxis
vezokpiraka
Killjoy
Lastwhisper
Silvercrys
Vaimes
KittyCupCake
fulcrum
dkingsland967
Asta
I'm town.
vezok is a mason.
Killjoy is confirmed town from fulcrum and is only a wolf in worlds where fulcrum is a wolf. If Killjoy is a wolf with fulcrum, he's playing the best goddarn wolf game of his life, and I'm willing to lose to that. I think Killjoy can still be town in wolf fulcrum worlds.
Last has poured boundless energy trying to solve and think actively about this game and I think that is very evident from his posts. Think he's one of the towniest players in the game along with Killjoy if we're basing this solely on behavior. He's really reminding me of Phantom of the Opera Mafia right now where he's poking in a bunch of different areas and trying to extract the maximum possible value out of every players still alive in this game - this aspect to his playstyle completely absent from his wolf game.
Still think Silver is town; basically it comes down to how he interacted with Rhand Day 1 and the way he focused on him early Day 2 that makes me think he's not mafia. Think if Silver was scum with Rhand he'd have lots of opportunities Day 2 to either not add his vote to the wagon on Rhand or pivot off on him. This is another weird read but I feel like Silver would be pushing me way more if he was mafia rather than clear me based off of my role since I'm probably the easiest person for scum to push in this game atm.
Vaimes/Rhand interactions continue to make zero sense if they are buddies together (Rhand tried to push Vaimes as a neutral) and I think his general trajectory this game (complain about this game for long periods of time when the thread's a slog, suddenly perk up late game when Keldeo flips v) makes a lot of sense coming from town!Vaimes than scum!Vaimes (who would have probably lost a lot of energy for this game long ago tbh)
KCC is my blind spot but I agree with Silver in that I think there's a scum between one of KCC and fulcrum. I mentioned this before but I really liked KCC's debilitation and hesitation wrt voting/scumreading me Yesterday. Also I don't think that she just townreads Rhand and just straight up ignores the Rhand wagon if she's scum with him - think she would have tried to get on that wagon early or have some sort of nuanced opinion on it rather than say that she thought Rhand was town because he read her well, then disappear as deadline hit.
With Keldeo flipping town I now think that fulcrum can be a wolf, because I think that Keldeo roleblocking the nightkill N1 is the simplest explanation according to Occam's Razor. Don't like the single-minded focus she has on me getting me lynched and she's dismissing all of my posts as not solving when literally every one of them is trying to better understand the gamestate and mindset of everyone else in the game. Not really sure how she has the "check a non-mafia ability" if she's mafia here, but I'm at the point in the game where I want to trust my behavioral analysis over mechanics.
Ditto with dkings - he's only alive right now because he's a claimed bodyguard who is confirmed to have targeted Asta N1, and I think dkings targeted Asta with something else on that Night. His behavior is awful and his posting is sporadic. His focus on getting Keldeo lynched Yesterday was unnerving and agenda-driven.
Not to mention that both fulcrum and dkings tried to move off on Rhand on Day 2 and push Axelrod.
And Asta is the final member of our little scumteam. Think he's done a great job following the advice of his scumbuddies which is why he's been able to keep afloat for so long. fulcrum's been defending him heavily and his reads keep constantly changing to fit the narrative. First he says he loves Keldeo's posts then he votes Keldeo based on Axel's analysis - when he said a couple of posts before that Axel's interactions with Rhand felt suspicious. There is no progression there - just none.
Vote Asta
Asta/dkings/fulcrum. Know this has been a hard game but if we just focus on behavior and look who's actually solving then I think the scumteam can be easily picked apart by PoE. Just do the Newcomb method of putting the wolves into the box.
I'm only going to post about once or twice a day, that's it, that's what ya get, that's what my schedule allows. If that winds up getting me mislynched, whatever, probably deserve it.
At the End of Day yesterday, my strongest bet was on voting KCC because she seemed like she was setting me up for a mislynch over some misunderstanding of my mechanics, seeming to believe that my voting activating in Summer was suspicious and magically related to the daykill, which uh. Wasn't following that. But I can't tell where she's at now, and Last seems to think she's town because he got a theoretical mini-mason jar. I'm not totally buying that we'd get to have 5 townies super confirmed, but I'm not not buying it either.
Hey Proph, I'm not alive because anyone's coaching me (I'd be posting WAY better and might actually be engaged enough to post more), I'm alive because I continue to be newbtown and mechanically cleared because so far people have rightfully believed scum wouldn't get a double voter. Only a shame it went to someone on their second game of mafia.
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I'm with fulcrum here, I'd be shocked if the ability was guaranteed to give you two townies.
I mean, I think it did, but that's pretty likely to happen even if random
I think I'm actually in favor of this. Might be worth it to calm my last lingering doubts on you
I'll try to put together a case this weekend, but I think I prefer going this way if only because no one is.
Plus, it's the only posts I'm scumreading rather than just not townreading as much
Lol
Please use your lynch threshold lowering ability now on someone who is not getting lynched like me or killjoy. That is assuming we get some sort of confirmation from the mod you used this ability. Otherwise keep it to yourself and never use it.
I really don't want to get blown out by scum you having this ability and ******* up the lynch.
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Hey Vaimes, let's talk. Let's say dkings flip scum. What does that make Asta?
I'm willing to vote either dkings or asta with no remorse. I'm a bit iffy on proph simply because his role is just too weird for scum and I kinda liked shadow in the beginning.
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The Current Season is Winter.
With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch.
Okay, wait.
I was under this impression too, but that's not how Asta is talking, and I just went back to find his claim, and apparently Asta did claim threshold increase. -Where did the idea it lowers comes from?
NVM, I just did a thorough skim of posts after Astas claim, to see if maybe Asta is scum false claiming and a buddy slipped in discussing his ability, but I'm not finding anything
I guess we both just misread/misremembered it the same way
Killjoy/Vezok
are out of the picture, because I think regardless of anything
Vezok is just super pure, I dont even need the Mason claim to re-evaluate that
and Killjoy has had some really towny posts, and I dont think wolf!killjoy has the balls to FoS on me as a wolf
if I am wrong about killjoy I will figure that out later
Right now we have to get a wolf, or we will be in a very brutal mylo/lylo tomorrow
if you are town, I still think that even if there has to be a wolf in KCC/Fulcrum
I do not think they are both wolves at this time, but I will get back to you on this once I make my read list at some point
lets go way back and look at this train, where KCC is being run up
what exactly are the wolves doing here, if KCC is a wolf?
We're getting close to endgame, and I'd like for you to do a little bit more than flail around and say you don't know what's going on. Otherwise you are probably going to be lunched, and if you're a villager, we can't have that.
Honestly, we should probably kill dk or Asta toDay. My vote is for dk.
Proph is half-assing and I don't trust his push on fulcrum.
KCC and Rhand being on a nowhere wagon would be reeeally weird if KCC is scum. Unless the other two scum are dk and Asta, scum aren't really bussing, which means they won't get towncred, so all of this makes KCC look really, really town.
vote: DK
this game is honestly a pain
And I don't think KJ is ever a wolf here, so.
I long for a proph corpse, but I could dk today.
Buddying or partner defense?
dont think it can be both Silver/Axel, and everyone in the last group as reason to be town
Me: Please dont hedge on Vaimes, I will lose my sanity
Fulcrum: Hahaha, Sorry
I dont think Vaimes is mafia here? hes definitely not proph level scum, but if I die tonight then something is super wrong with the PoE.
something that I pulled from the chat, for a second there, Fulcrum didn't believe that Vaimes had to be town, and idk? I just really like that
Ok, silver's ability name is a trueclaim
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Lol
Okay assuming Vaimes confirms fulcrum's other ability... I think those are the wolves, would rather Asta first though
I just don't believe that honestly
In that world, they did try to move elsewhere, on Nacho.
ok that is fair
Rhand, Vaimes, vezok and Proph were the only people not voting dk across both wagons.
His post also contains zero reasoning as to why he believes I am mafia - it's just an OMGUS vote. I don't think the double vote holds up as mechanical confirmation when we have a mason pair in the game.
vezok, do you have any opinion on me that's not based on shadow or my role? I don't recall you saying anything about me behaviorally or talked to me at all this game?
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Unvote, vote dkings
Would prefer Asta but dkings can die too.
KittyCupCake(7) -dkingsland967,Gemma, Nachomamma8, tomsloger, Lastwhisper, vezokpiraka, Axelrod
This wagon looks to be full town, with the exception of dking, but if KCC is town at least one other scum should have joined.
M1ndreaver(6) - vezokpiraka, tomsloger, Lastwhisper, Axelrod, KittyCupCake, Silvercrys
There's gotta be at least one scum in KCC, silver and last. There's no way this wagon is pure on day 1.
KittyCupCake(2) - Nachomamma8, Gemma
vezokpiraka(2) - dkingsland967, M1ndreaver
Axelrod(1) - Vaimes
Rhand(1) - Killjoy
Vaimes(1) - fulcrum
Not Voting(3) - Grapefruit21, Jackrito, Rhand
This is the rest of the votecount. dking can be scum voting me, fulcrum and Vaimes are probably not scum and that leaves proph scum not voting for anything because he is away.
All I'm coming to is silver/KCC/Asta scumteam. Can someone color day 2 and day 3 votecounts?
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I'm going to take a moment and reiterate, Asta, the only 100% confirmed living player is Vez. She's town. Trust it.
Why are voting dk over Asta exactly?
An Asta/shadow team just wouldn't have been around to vote, making it easier for all town wagons to form on town.
Look, KCC, the game didn't explode!