Gemma: Wrong. It's the way you're handling Nacho; you don't appear to actually want to figure out his alignment. When asked if you've seen AI things from him, you responded that no, you hadn't. You then stated that your way of reading him was very specific, but was true a long time ago (might still be true now, no way to know for sure). See, for me, if my meta was stale, I'd at least take that into account when trying to sort him. You do not appear to be doing that, nor do you really appear to have considered even doing that. Throw that on top of the fact that I've played with Nacho before and don't recall him being so far off the Mafia grid that he's immune to standard mafia tells, and you've got yourself (or rather, myself) a problem with your play here.
Vez: That seems... too easy. Also your townread on me is similar. Do you know Gemma's game specifically is typically less emotional than most, or are you literally just saying "she's not nervous at all, so town?" Because she's also not under a whole lot of pressure yet.
And I am also scumleaning on Nacho atm, though, not necessarily for that post.
Vaimes: What's with the cheeky response when Last asked you what scumtells he's committed that you were citing? It's not an unfair question to ask.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I mean if it really isn’t, then I don’t want to lock into a scumread on you. So, y’know, do towny things.
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KJ: Last openly defends partners under pressure, he tries to halt wagons on partners, he claims everything he does is NAI, he criticizes me specifically for posting a lot, regardless of whether it’s fluff or content.
He hasn’t ticked his [redacted] scumtell yet, which ~maybe outweighs the other junk. I’m also not locked into Nacho scum, specifically scum with LW, so everything is still up in the air.
Gemma: Wrong. It's the way you're handling Nacho; you don't appear to actually want to figure out his alignment. When asked if you've seen AI things from him, you responded that no, you hadn't. You then stated that your way of reading him was very specific, but was true a long time ago (might still be true now, no way to know for sure). See, for me, if my meta was stale, I'd at least take that into account when trying to sort him. You do not appear to be doing that, nor do you really appear to have considered even doing that. Throw that on top of the fact that I've played with Nacho before and don't recall him being so far off the Mafia grid that he's immune to standard mafia tells, and you've got yourself (or rather, myself) a problem with your play here.
Hey KJ, could you narrate Gemma for me? Just like, explain what you think she's doing in her posts / with what wolf mindset she's approaching the game?
Silver: Is the post you quoted not what you're looking for?
Vaimes: But for two of those things to be true, he has to be defending/trying to halt a wagon on scum, and we don't have any flips yet. Is he doing that to anyone, and are you scumreading that person? I'm actually not seeing where he's defending anyone on a skim here.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Vaimes never dies day 1, if he stays tonally consistent
Killjoy is pretty open with his thoughts so far, nothing malicious
Nacho just feels like the typical, "playing like poor town, blurts out his thoughts that aren't great, but he believes them I think?", or he is just a wolf trying to latch onto something early to look like he is solving
Silver hasn't tunneled on anyone yet, don't know if that means anything
Silver: Is the post you quoted not what you're looking for?
Not exactly, no. The post you made is like... a pretty dry scum tell thing? You think she's wolfy because she isn't trying to read Nacho, but I think she'd try to at least make a read out of a pretty significant push from someone she knows pretty well (iirc) if she was a wolf, I guess. Either push on him or use it to pocket him or something.
I'm looking for like, a reason she's more likely to approach her Nacho read by just not giving one as a wolf.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Silver: Is the post you quoted not what you're looking for?
Vaimes: But for two of those things to be true, he has to be defending/trying to halt a wagon on scum, and we don't have any flips yet. Is he doing that to anyone, and are you scumreading that person? I'm actually not seeing where he's defending anyone on a skim here.
If he’s defending a wagon in a fishy way, I suspect it’s because he’s defending a partner. He did it with Azrael, and he did it with Rhand. I mentioned that I’m also scumreading Nacho, and he seemed to be criticizing me for posting when I started questioning Nacho, but I’m not locked into it
Silver: Is the post you quoted not what you're looking for?
Not exactly, no. The post you made is like... a pretty dry scum tell thing? You think she's wolfy because she isn't trying to read Nacho, but I think she'd try to at least make a read out of a pretty significant push from someone she knows pretty well (iirc) if she was a wolf, I guess. Either push on him or use it to pocket him or something.
I'm looking for like, a reason she's more likely to approach her Nacho read by just not giving one as a wolf.
ah.
My point is I don't think she's intentionally doing it. Perhaps she doesn't need to or something like that.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Silver: Is the post you quoted not what you're looking for?
Vaimes: But for two of those things to be true, he has to be defending/trying to halt a wagon on scum, and we don't have any flips yet. Is he doing that to anyone, and are you scumreading that person? I'm actually not seeing where he's defending anyone on a skim here.
If he’s defending a wagon in a fishy way, I suspect it’s because he’s defending a partner. He did it with Azrael, and he did it with Rhand. I mentioned that I’m also scumreading Nacho, and he seemed to be criticizing me for posting when I started questioning Nacho, but I’m not locked into it
He's not doing that defense thing this game though right? And does he not defend people as town ever?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Silver
Why are you voting Rhand? I don't see the connection between your post and that vote?
There isn't a connection between the post and the vote. I'm voting Rhand because he's pinging me but I can't really explain why, his posts just feel weird.
Yeah, I dunno. Either Last is very specifically trying to make Nacho look like his partner, or they’re both just scum. I’d be really confused if they were both town with how they’re behaving.
@Silver
Why is Sloth a town lean? all I see are a couple RVS posts that dont sway me in either direction
@Vaimes
I mean given your meta read on me, he's not my partner since I just hard defend him if that's true, I don't hedge on my partners, especially not this early. Neither of us has to be mafia, its 4 pages in, chill
There isn't a connection between the post and the vote. I'm voting Rhand because he's pinging me but I can't really explain why, his posts just feel weird.
@Silver
well let me know when you have a tangible reason, since a read like that, helps absolutely no one
My point is I don't think she's intentionally doing it. Perhaps she doesn't need to or something like that.
Right, yes, if she's a wolf she doesn't *need* to have a read on him in a vacuum, but I think given his posts she'd fake a read there instead of just saying "my meta is old and you can't have it"
Idk, I have you both as town leans and I'm trying to see what you see and I just don't I guess.
I understand why nachos getting votes here, but I think this is more likely cautious town rather than role fishing
explain how these would look diso different so that you could tell which is which.
I think we mindmelded a bit on Asta and these questions seem to be trying to get at the heart of things. I can kind of feel the gears turning in his mind when I read them, and I see exactly what he's getting at but it doesn't feel slimy or shady.
You definitely hedge on partners, but I don’t want to get into an argument about meta. You’re right, it’s early and I could be reading too much into things.
There isn’t really anything else grabbing my attention at the moment, aside from noting that fulcrum is frozen.
For the love of god guys, the day last 3 weeks effing pace yourselves. I'll be able to re-read everything tomorrow morning on my flight (travelling for work). Until then, I'm just gonna give up where I was, because ya'll don't have lives on the weekend
@Last - your entrance was NAI in the sense that you didn't actually say anything (hi). It's townier than your recent games because you didn't immediately claim a day 0 cop check or something equally ridiculous. Apparently though, there is some Nacho interaction I haven't gotten to yet. So maybe I'm wrong and didn't wait long enough ;).
@Silver - Yeah I ignored you, and RVS in general. Sorry brah. We'll do a whole wall of text war later, don't worry.
@All - I thankfully rolled town, which means it'll be totally obvious in a little bit. Being scum is the worst thing in the world for me, I just hate having the game solved, so when scum, my energy level is just in the toilet. It's not something I can even fake at this point in my career, and definitely not in a game this long. Just sharing that helpful tidbit. Don't trust me now, but a few weeks in, it'll be obvious.
@Tom - UGhhh Make me a pretty poem so I know you're not worth time killing just to be rid of a self-imposed gimmick. Doesn't have to be now, but soon please.
Trust me, he is just the worst at board games
Debates about the rules like legislators at a court case
Tampers with the scales of justice
Wielding pencils as his gavel
Once I even caught him cheating while he kept the score in Scrabble
He's a ******* wreck at checkers
Plays Monopoly sloppily
Always bringing up disputes in games of trivial pursuit
Sucks at Battleship and Risk
He fights better hand-to-hand
And don't even get me started bout how trash he is at Candy Land
Like you can't... be bad at that that game yet... he loses all the time. It doesn't make any sense.
Silver: I suppose the reason scum!Gemma wouldn't fake having a read there is because she might think that town!Gemma wouldn't have a read there. IDK. I'm not thinking that she'd fake a read here.
Is my explanation of her chain of posts and why I don't think she's needing to read Nacho clear enough? I wanna make sure you understand that first.
Nacho: I asked you some questions before. I'm not seeing answers.
Vezok: My point is that the reads are, by nature, weak. I was also seeing how serious they were.
Anyone can make bad moves at mafia. Am I scumreading Nacho for a derp? (Also, is Nacho a girl? I haven't played with them since JPA2)
Noted re: Gemma.
You don't think town last is reactive?
DV: Maybe you should send some sort of mass poke to the whole game letting people know it's started. Asta popped in but dk and fulcrum haven't posted at all in the game yet. They may now know it's started already.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
It was me pre-empting unfounded scumreads on Nacho because I know how that feels.
Why are you spoilering an invitation to talk? Doesn’t feel very inviting.
But Rhand, secret invitations are the best!
Feel free to elaborate more on his observations? I don't really expect to agree with you based on past experience but I value the input all the same.
It’s not about the observations themselves but about how others perceive her as scum because they don’t follow the thought process behind her observations. Happens to me all the time. Silver is doing it now.
This is almost definitely influenced by the fact he's voting for me. But, it's scummish anyway.
Tom putting up a gimmick is totally NAI.
He’s very comprehensible in this one, which for me is a big relief. He’s had gimmicks where I couldn’t understand what he meant. His thoughts are clear here.
You do have experience playing with tom and his gimmicks, right?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Rhand: talk me through scum Axel. I think he's made like, less than 5 posts? I haven't seen anything really bad from him.
I’m not a fan of his semi-serious RVS vote. It’s a minor tell, but scum more often look for something tangible in rvs than town do.
I thought it was full on RVS, but he later said it wasn’t.
What bothers me more is his tom read. Calling tom’s gimmick scummy is opportunistic.
@vezok
Your second paragraph is just unnecessary fear mongering
Maybe I don't want to be proactive have you ever thought of that
Give me a scenario where a non-proactive town is worth keeping around.
In addition, "fear mongering" is an interesting term when the "probably not" quote is oddly ambivalent and sows doubt.
@Vezok: I actually asked you something in #136 in relevance to the above, which you skipped over when commenting on my other posts. Still want an answer.
Could I ask you to at least include a translation of what you are saying, using the spoiler feature? Reading through the haikus is really tedious for me and trying to decipher them... ...yeah, not going to do that.
Addendum: he did the defending before we had any scumflips in both games.
I don't think that's the point? Like, it doesn't matter when the defending happened, it's just that we can't look for those interactions here when we don't have dead scum
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Vez: That seems... too easy. Also your townread on me is similar. Do you know Gemma's game specifically is typically less emotional than most, or are you literally just saying "she's not nervous at all, so town?" Because she's also not under a whole lot of pressure yet.
And I am also scumleaning on Nacho atm, though, not necessarily for that post.
Vaimes: What's with the cheeky response when Last asked you what scumtells he's committed that you were citing? It's not an unfair question to ask.
“That’s not AI for me!”
you know me too well
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KJ: Last openly defends partners under pressure, he tries to halt wagons on partners, he claims everything he does is NAI, he criticizes me specifically for posting a lot, regardless of whether it’s fluff or content.
He hasn’t ticked his [redacted] scumtell yet, which ~maybe outweighs the other junk. I’m also not locked into Nacho scum, specifically scum with LW, so everything is still up in the air.
Yeah, Vaimes + Killjoy, Gemma, Slothful, Axelrod in approximately that order.
@KCC what do you think of Nacho's push on me, if you don't think he was rolefishing?
Vaimes: But for two of those things to be true, he has to be defending/trying to halt a wagon on scum, and we don't have any flips yet. Is he doing that to anyone, and are you scumreading that person? I'm actually not seeing where he's defending anyone on a skim here.
Vaimes never dies day 1, if he stays tonally consistent
Killjoy is pretty open with his thoughts so far, nothing malicious
Nacho just feels like the typical, "playing like poor town, blurts out his thoughts that aren't great, but he believes them I think?", or he is just a wolf trying to latch onto something early to look like he is solving
Silver hasn't tunneled on anyone yet, don't know if that means anything
Why are you voting Rhand? I don't see the connection between your post and that vote?
I'm looking for like, a reason she's more likely to approach her Nacho read by just not giving one as a wolf.
My point is I don't think she's intentionally doing it. Perhaps she doesn't need to or something like that.
Vaimes/KJ
Gemma
Sloth
Axel
Town leans, you and Vaimes are about as strong then Gemma, Slothful, Axelrod lower than you in roughly that order towards null.
Why is Sloth a town lean? all I see are a couple RVS posts that dont sway me in either direction
@Vaimes
I mean given your meta read on me, he's not my partner since I just hard defend him if that's true, I don't hedge on my partners, especially not this early. Neither of us has to be mafia, its 4 pages in, chill
@Silver
well let me know when you have a tangible reason, since a read like that, helps absolutely no one
Zelda isn't even in that gif, and apparently no one wants that free town lean
also why are you still on that? and in particular, memeing?
does anyone ping you?
also ill be back in 6 hours
Idk, I have you both as town leans and I'm trying to see what you see and I just don't I guess.
@LastwhisperI think we mindmelded a bit on Asta and these questions seem to be trying to get at the heart of things. I can kind of feel the gears turning in his mind when I read them, and I see exactly what he's getting at but it doesn't feel slimy or shady.
There isn’t really anything else grabbing my attention at the moment, aside from noting that fulcrum is frozen.
ok your read is fair
vote mindreaver
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@Last - your entrance was NAI in the sense that you didn't actually say anything (hi). It's townier than your recent games because you didn't immediately claim a day 0 cop check or something equally ridiculous. Apparently though, there is some Nacho interaction I haven't gotten to yet. So maybe I'm wrong and didn't wait long enough ;).
@Silver - Yeah I ignored you, and RVS in general. Sorry brah. We'll do a whole wall of text war later, don't worry.
@All - I thankfully rolled town, which means it'll be totally obvious in a little bit. Being scum is the worst thing in the world for me, I just hate having the game solved, so when scum, my energy level is just in the toilet. It's not something I can even fake at this point in my career, and definitely not in a game this long. Just sharing that helpful tidbit. Don't trust me now, but a few weeks in, it'll be obvious.
@Tom - UGhhh
Winter is coming.
Firstly, don't fall in the pitfall that nacho can't make bad moves as scum. Even if she's a mastermind at mafia, derps can happen to anyone.
Secondly, gemma is pretty emotional in games. She's good scum and fools a lot of people, but at the moment, I think she was in her townie self.
Also now I'm definitely seeing LW as scummy. The last string of posts feel very reactive while town last is usually a lot more proactive.
Silver also seems town, but seems to focus on totally different things than the rest of the thread.
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But there is a noticeable lack of fulcrum/dk/asta posts so far
@vaimes
Is the redacted scum tell? I am obvious town? Because clearly I am being spewed town by the fact that no one wants to town read me
@vezok
Your second paragraph is just unnecessary fear mongering
Maybe I don't want to be proactive have you ever thought of that
Anyways bye
Debates about the rules like legislators at a court case
Tampers with the scales of justice
Wielding pencils as his gavel
Once I even caught him cheating while he kept the score in Scrabble
Plays Monopoly sloppily
Always bringing up disputes in games of trivial pursuit
Sucks at Battleship and Risk
He fights better hand-to-hand
And don't even get me started bout how trash he is at Candy Land
Last town
A little doubtful.
Think his self-meta dump is bunk?
Is my explanation of her chain of posts and why I don't think she's needing to read Nacho clear enough? I wanna make sure you understand that first.
Nacho: I asked you some questions before. I'm not seeing answers.
Vezok: My point is that the reads are, by nature, weak. I was also seeing how serious they were.
Anyone can make bad moves at mafia. Am I scumreading Nacho for a derp? (Also, is Nacho a girl? I haven't played with them since JPA2)
Noted re: Gemma.
You don't think town last is reactive?
DV: Maybe you should send some sort of mass poke to the whole game letting people know it's started. Asta popped in but dk and fulcrum haven't posted at all in the game yet. They may now know it's started already.
It’s not about the observations themselves but about how others perceive her as scum because they don’t follow the thought process behind her observations. Happens to me all the time. Silver is doing it now.
Sort of. My read is not strong enough to bite a bullet for her, but her thoughts seem natural.
Tom putting up a gimmick is totally NAI.
He’s very comprehensible in this one, which for me is a big relief. He’s had gimmicks where I couldn’t understand what he meant. His thoughts are clear here.
You do have experience playing with tom and his gimmicks, right?
vote Axelrod
The word probably irks me like no tomorrow here.
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I’m not a fan of his semi-serious RVS vote. It’s a minor tell, but scum more often look for something tangible in rvs than town do.
I thought it was full on RVS, but he later said it wasn’t.
What bothers me more is his tom read. Calling tom’s gimmick scummy is opportunistic.
I’m eyeing both him and LW for similar reasons.
In addition, "fear mongering" is an interesting term when the "probably not" quote is oddly ambivalent and sows doubt.
@Vezok: I actually asked you something in #136 in relevance to the above, which you skipped over when commenting on my other posts. Still want an answer.
Could I ask you to at least include a translation of what you are saying, using the spoiler feature? Reading through the haikus is really tedious for me and trying to decipher them... ...yeah, not going to do that.
Based on what, exactly?
...the ****?
Well, if I ever saw someone claim this role, I'd lynch them on the spot without a second thought. I'm hoping to reduce the odds of that mislynch a bit
I'm not claiming anything more because scum still don't know how weak or strong my role is, if they need to kill me, or play around me, or ignore me
Well, I don't see how these things are related. But, I liked him poking your Axel comment.
I don't think that's the point? Like, it doesn't matter when the defending happened, it's just that we can't look for those interactions here when we don't have dead scum