@Vaimes: you couldn’t properly annoy me even if I was all the way here :kisses:
@Cantrip: if Tom and silver are scum together, and have daychat (which they’d have to for your hypothetical planned thunderdome), then no, just no. There is no way they elect to make a significant portion of this day focused on being at each other’s throats like that. I know it’s a tinfoil, but I don’t think you should entertain it.
Did he really say that? I was just thinking "man it would be hilarious and genius if tom/Silver were ww and came out of this both being really townread."
Why is this post 209 the most recent time a read of me showed up in your posts before 394?
You didn't do anything while I was first voted you to call me scummy. You simply argued with me neutrally. But suddenly in 394, I'm one of your favorite scum candidates? And:
Think KK's vote/push is the sketchiest other than tom's initial,
Oh? Thanks for saying anything about that in the moment.
Why am I not a scumspect for you until after I get a vote from shadow and cantrip voices support for pressure on me?
To me, it looks like you're OMGUS conscious after doing it to tom, and only jumping in when I'm obviously a safe push again. But delayed, poorly explained OMGUS is still OMGUS.
Also, megs basically never appears in your 394, and I come up ~the most. But you're happy with your vote? I don't think so. See the previous line.
So, please explain why my push is bad.
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
I'm really not going to sucked into another of these
Your push is bad because of timing and a bunch of other stuff
That post shadow voted you for is a good example, you're just like "tom might be less than 75 sure but I'm over 80" and it just feels like fake confidence
Think this is the second time you said something like "why'd you wait to say something?"
And the answer is, like... sometimes waiting gives better reads because the person either takes their foot out of their mouth or puts it in further (not that you did either, just in general) but also I don't have unlimited time to post so sometimes I just talk about what I think is important and then come back to stuff later
Just wait 'til Day 2, I'll reread this whole phase and bring up stuff I didn't talk about at all yet probably
Cool. I'll leave it there to not distract from the fact that I just roasted you, and you decided handwave it and then repeat what other people have already said as your one specific reason.
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Cool. I'll leave it there to not distract from the fact that I just roasted you, and you decided handwave it and then repeat what other people have already said as your one specific reason.
If your addition to the case is "his reads changed after almost 200 hundred posts, and sometimes he doesn't talk about stuff as soon as it happens" I'm not sure it's the slam dunk you think it is
yes you said more, slightly different words than that and I'm being reductionist to make it sound silly or whatever
there I've pre-emptively handwaved your counter-argument too
So cezok is continuing the “1 post per 24 hr without responding to anything directed at him/her” trend
@vezok: Are you planning to respond to me or anyone else trying to engage you soon? Why are you lurking?
I honestly feel pretty overloaded by the amount and size of posts. I check the thread about every 6 hours and always find a multitude of new posts. By the time I finish reading them I forgot there are posts directed at me. I've tried to respond as much as possible, but I don't feel like cluttering the thread with garbage. I'm trying to comment on all the important stuff and remember stuff, but it's pretty hard.
My read list at the moment is somewhere around
Town
Pretty Townie
Emiko
Townish
silver
Vaimes
tom
Null
Rhand
KJ
Megs
Scummy
KCC
Cantrip
Pretty scummy
KK
Shadow
Scum
Nobody right now.
Even with the interminable walls silver tom and Vaimes produced, I still think mostly good about all of them. Maybe I haven't read the posts closely enough, but it feels like they are over eager to post which is mostly + town in my book.
Cantrip's post feel scummier than usual. It's a lot more nothing than usually, but it could be just because the whole game is nothing.
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Nah silver still outed.
Dude claims to believe my "encouraging vaimes to push emiko" statement is factually incorrect and doesnt come from town but then said that there cant be more than one scum in (me plus kk who directly agreed with it and kj who thought the same thing separately)
Emiko: Given your position on me, what do you think of the suspicion being thrown at me? If there's scum in those folks, who is it and why?
Tom: Why do you seem to think there's a dichotomy with me and silver? (referencing 363 btw)
Silver: You were opining that you don't think TWTBAW is something you should rely on to get good reads? Ok. If you approach it from a certain way, sure. But there are ways to say that that aren't also encouraging Vaimes to scumread Emiko. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since you have a viable explanation.
Re: the list: Ok. I think I connected my question about why you were townreading me with the list which has to do with reads on other people. Like, scum! you might overappease/ov ersexplain here. But it totally could have been as you said. So again, benefit of the doubt.
I think I might need to also do some meta research on you to see how much of this substance I'm noticing is just style. The list of games you posted will be helpful there. Now the thing will be having time to do that.
And to answer your other question, I sort people by how townie they are, not how untownie.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busywork" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Cantrip: Re: Meg: 213 is the post I was referencing where he was explaining himself. Explain this more, because I'm still not sure why it's scummy. He's literally just explaining his thought process. But I do agree that he's doing a bit of egging and fluffposting... the issue is I think he does that as either alignment.
Re: you not caring about the answers to your questions: Good answer. I had thought that you were kind of not recieving any real pressure, so I thought I'd push you a bit to see your reaction. I'd rate it as "more town than not".
Re: tom/silver: I forget what game it was there town!tom made the point that he doesn't bus unless he needs to, but I looked into it recently. And he doesn't. Like, chronically doesn't. His treatment of Siver this early with no other significant pressure on him (Vaime kinda has some but he's not pushing very hard) makes it very unlikley that tom is scum with silver. Could it be theatre? Sure. Both are saavy enough mafia players to make that happen. But these particular hoofbeats are telling me horse right now. Unless they both start being scummy independent of each other, then it's probably a horse.
Silver: I didn't wait until you spent yourselves or whatever. I posted when I could post. Part of that post had to do with you and tom.
Vaimes 396 is probably a townpost. Scum don't really think to have 'epiphanies' to come to reads.
Kinda wanna scumlean tom for 405. The passivity of it specifically.
I'm also scumreading KK for 412. That level of aggressiveness just kinda came out of nowhere. Also it's like... kinda fallacious in a way I do not like. Tom: Talk to me about KK's 412.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
How have none of the people that think me and silver are both town started a kj wagon?
also how is this passive?
If they think me and silver are both town, and weve both said you look like scum if we were (but not believed that premise), and also just you objectively look like scum ******* around with a v/v fight...
Why no kj votes?
This new itinerary I am doing comes with a lot of daily preparation on top of an already busy job.
I’m catching up now and will try to stay caught up from then on.
Caught up bit skimmed parts of tom vs silver.
If there is scum in tom/silver, it’s tom. Scum!silver wouldn’t draw all that attention to himself and would have dropped it when there was no support coming, while scum!tom has the confidence to push a mislynch like this and get away with it afterwards.
That said, I think it’s more likely KK is scum and tom and silver both town.
The way he picked a side at a moment where multiple people were saying that we should move our focus elsewhere makes a lot of sense from a scum standpoint that wants to continue this fight.
Megs has a post somewhere that almost reads like a confession. Will look it up when not on the phone.
My current world is KK/Megs/Vaimes?
The Vaimes read is still flimsy though.
How have none of the people that think me and silver are both town started a kj wagon?
also how is this passive?
If they think me and silver are both town, and weve both said you look like scum if we were (but not believed that premise), and also just you objectively look like scum ******* around with a v/v fight...
Why no kj votes?
Cool. I'll leave it there to not distract from the fact that I just roasted you, and you decided handwave it and then repeat what other people have already said as your one specific reason.
Nah silver still outed.
Dude claims to believe my "encouraging vaimes to push emiko" statement is factually incorrect and doesnt come from town but then said that there cant be more than one scum in (me plus kk who directly agreed with it and kj who thought the same thing separately)
Vote stays
Tom, this post is a great example of my thoughts on your case. I believe you believe this, but I don't believe it's a good assumption that silver would consider this exact specific line of reasoning
Also, I feel like silver was specifically saying he didn't see those thoughts coming from townTom, not any generic townie. I can understand you lumping that together, but it feels like an important distinction from the outside
If they think me and silver are both town, and weve both said you look like scum if we were (but not believed that premise), and also just you objectively look like scum ******* around with a v/v fight...
Why no kj votes?
I'm not voting KJ, because KJ is doing exactly what I'd expect from townKJ.
Can we not just dismiss my case and give silver a free pass to hand wave just because I’m “SoOo SCuMmeH!”
Seriously, my post makes sense. Read silvers responses to my original case and then read until 394. I’m literally misguided town to him until I’m safe to pressure.
Literally everyone against him is scum in his eyes right now (plus the popular choice of mega). Everyone else is neutral but Emiko. He’s keeping his options open so he can hop into whatever wagon he wants when it’s time to move on.
Please don’t accept a preconceived notion on this just because you’re tired of it and you already made up your mind. Make silver at least participate and prove what he’s claiming.
Also, there’s certainly scum fence sitting on this right now because town is making it the safe and smart choice by disengaging.
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Can we not just dismiss my case and give silver a free pass to hand wave just because I’m “SoOo SCuMmeH!”
Seriously, my post makes sense. Read silvers responses to my original case and then read until 394. I’m literally misguided town to him until I’m safe to pressure.
Literally everyone against him is scum in his eyes right now (plus the popular choice of mega). Everyone else is neutral but Emiko. He’s keeping his options open so he can hop into whatever wagon he wants when it’s time to move on.
Please don’t accept a preconceived notion on this just because you’re tired of it and you already made up your mind. Make silver at least participate and prove what he’s claiming.
Also, there’s certainly scum fence sitting on this right now because town is making it the safe and smart choice by disengaging.
Maybe I'm reading something else, but I haven't got the impression that silver is fencesitring on a lot of people or not giving out reads.
Like you are undermining your whole argument when you say that he calls everyone suspicious of him scum and then claim he doesn't give reads on people. Just from his posts related to me it seems that I'm considered at least townier than just neutral.
vote KK
Shadow can wait. This just seems like a totally halfhearted attack in the hope of getting more pressure on silver.
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His only scum reads are the people pressuring him and Megiddo. Everyone ELSE, except for Emiko, silver is using very weak language and leaving room to move.
He's not scumhunting at all. Reread him and you'll see it.
Also, am I at L-2 with that? Mod: Votecount please?
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Vezok was actually slightly less townie than neutral but recent posts are better
Tom ignoring that I flat out admitted that if KJ is saying the same thing about that TWTBAW post then him being town might not be a crazy notion so he could say that I specifically didn't say that is... I don't even know what to say about it, really. Dude's either howling because he thinks my mislunch should be a slam dunk and is frustrated there isn't more traction or deep in a tunnel and lost his flashlight.
If KK is town Rhand might be a wolf.
@KK
I literally wrote two posts about how I don't think all three of you are wolves together and probably just one of you is, maybe read those (bottom of the last page, #396 and #398 I think cause Vaimes had #399 and #400)
And I didn't "literally think you were misguided town until you were safe to pressure" I had a very slight town read on you when you initially voted me poorly and gave you the benefit of the doubt because you don't know me/tom/vaimes
Megs isn't even that popular of a wagon right now and I was one of the first to call him out when he was evading my questions about his Vaimes read so like
???
Like I'm a fan of hyperbole and exaggeration, I use them all the time as both alignments, but this is a bit silly
Can see you believing the whole "I waited until it was safe to scumread you" thing but the rest feels like you're reaching for things to throw at me and hoping something sticks
Good Lord why is my ability to make cases that people listen to the main skill that got worse over my 5 years off? I already sucked at it enough before I quit
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I literally wrote two posts about how I don't think all three of you are wolves together and probably just one of you is, maybe read those (bottom of the last page, #396 and #398 I think cause Vaimes had #399 and #400)
I did. Its part of why I don't buy your reads. The fact that you say tom is your #1 scum plus me/kj, but can't be scum with either of us, but we're still all topscum- When I actually type this thought out it sounds stupid. Clearly you can have us all as scumpects while acknowledging that we're probably not aligned.
And I didn't "literally think you were misguided town until you were safe to pressure" I had a very slight town read on you when you initially voted me poorly and gave you the benefit of the doubt because you don't know me/tom/vaimes
Yes, I acknowledge that my read of your tone as "pushing back against misguided town" was my own perspective and not easily provable.
Megs isn't even that popular of a wagon right now and I was one of the first to call him out when he was evading my questions about his Vaimes read so like
I disagree on his wagon not being popular. It only seems that way because he went AWOL yesterday.
Anyway, I clearly need to cool off on this. I'm not talking about silver unless addressed for a while. Which, given everyone's interest, I'm probably not talking about silver at all for a while.
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Dude's either howling because he thinks my mislunch should be a slam dunk and is frustrated there isn't more traction or deep in a tunnel and lost his flashlight.
Getting this vibe from KK as well for what that's worth
Still don't think they're wolves together but I'd be shocked if all three of tom/KK/KJ are town
@KK Yeah I don't scum hunt much on D1
The whole process of like, grilling your reads and forcing them to admit they're wolves doesn't hold much enjoyment for me and I don't get good reads from it anyway, no one is going to admit they're a wolf, that'd be silly
Like I told KCC earlier I usually let the wolves come to me, something about my playstyle makes them think I'm a good D1 mislunch for some reason but it hasn't worked yet, so.
He's not scumhunting at all. Reread him and you'll see it.
Would you say the same thing about Tom? They've been about equally focused on each other
My brain immediately says "no" but I mostly haven't been reading tom critically for a while since he's def town if silver is scum. I can go back and re-evaluate if you wish.
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Finally
How does Meg/KK/Vez feel to you?
@vezok: Are you planning to respond to me or anyone else trying to engage you soon? Why are you lurking?
I don't think vote pattern / threadflow rules it out though
@Cantrip: if Tom and silver are scum together, and have daychat (which they’d have to for your hypothetical planned thunderdome), then no, just no. There is no way they elect to make a significant portion of this day focused on being at each other’s throats like that. I know it’s a tinfoil, but I don’t think you should entertain it.
I've been Not Focusing on KJ. Something urgent I need to look at?
I have a lot of time to kill tomorrow so I'll pick it up then. Night friends.
Post #357 for reference
Why is this post 209 the most recent time a read of me showed up in your posts before 394?
You didn't do anything while I was first voted you to call me scummy. You simply argued with me neutrally. But suddenly in 394, I'm one of your favorite scum candidates? And: Oh? Thanks for saying anything about that in the moment.
Why am I not a scumspect for you until after I get a vote from shadow and cantrip voices support for pressure on me?
To me, it looks like you're OMGUS conscious after doing it to tom, and only jumping in when I'm obviously a safe push again. But delayed, poorly explained OMGUS is still OMGUS.
Also, megs basically never appears in your 394, and I come up ~the most. But you're happy with your vote? I don't think so. See the previous line.
So, please explain why my push is bad.
Your push is bad because of timing and a bunch of other stuff
That post shadow voted you for is a good example, you're just like "tom might be less than 75 sure but I'm over 80" and it just feels like fake confidence
Think this is the second time you said something like "why'd you wait to say something?"
And the answer is, like... sometimes waiting gives better reads because the person either takes their foot out of their mouth or puts it in further (not that you did either, just in general) but also I don't have unlimited time to post so sometimes I just talk about what I think is important and then come back to stuff later
Just wait 'til Day 2, I'll reread this whole phase and bring up stuff I didn't talk about at all yet probably
and megs is like, "worst in a vacuum" other than you three
Kind of don't think he's with tom but I'll sort that D2 if he flips wolf and I'm still alive
If your addition to the case is "his reads changed after almost 200 hundred posts, and sometimes he doesn't talk about stuff as soon as it happens" I'm not sure it's the slam dunk you think it is
yes you said more, slightly different words than that and I'm being reductionist to make it sound silly or whatever
there I've pre-emptively handwaved your counter-argument too
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EmikoYuriemoto
Vaimes / KittyCupCake
shadowlancerx / Cantripmancer
Rhand
vezokpiraka
Killjoy / KoolKoal
Megiddo
tomsloger
It's sorted accurately but I keep going back and forth on how to color the KJ/KK duo
Rhand is about null obviously
Vezok just a smidge under when I asked myself how I felt about her but I haven't honestly been paying much attention to her posts
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I honestly feel pretty overloaded by the amount and size of posts. I check the thread about every 6 hours and always find a multitude of new posts. By the time I finish reading them I forgot there are posts directed at me. I've tried to respond as much as possible, but I don't feel like cluttering the thread with garbage. I'm trying to comment on all the important stuff and remember stuff, but it's pretty hard.
My read list at the moment is somewhere around
Town
Pretty Townie
Emiko
Townish
silver
Vaimes
tom
Null
Rhand
KJ
Megs
Scummy
KCC
Cantrip
Pretty scummy
KK
Shadow
Scum
Nobody right now.
Even with the interminable walls silver tom and Vaimes produced, I still think mostly good about all of them. Maybe I haven't read the posts closely enough, but it feels like they are over eager to post which is mostly + town in my book.
Cantrip's post feel scummier than usual. It's a lot more nothing than usually, but it could be just because the whole game is nothing.
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IF silver is town
Both of us being right about kj feels more likely than both wrong
Especially with kj STILL not getting any votes tbh
Also still finding vez pretty suspect.
Might vote one of them well see
Dude claims to believe my "encouraging vaimes to push emiko" statement is factually incorrect and doesnt come from town but then said that there cant be more than one scum in (me plus kk who directly agreed with it and kj who thought the same thing separately)
Vote stays
you did not push him neither before nor during the vote neither.
You said im a mix of good and bad but have only said positive things. Whats the bad?
you appear to not be serious a lot of the time .
Tom: Why do you seem to think there's a dichotomy with me and silver? (referencing 363 btw)
Silver: You were opining that you don't think TWTBAW is something you should rely on to get good reads? Ok. If you approach it from a certain way, sure. But there are ways to say that that aren't also encouraging Vaimes to scumread Emiko. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since you have a viable explanation.
Re: the list: Ok. I think I connected my question about why you were townreading me with the list which has to do with reads on other people. Like, scum! you might overappease/ov ersexplain here. But it totally could have been as you said. So again, benefit of the doubt.
I think I might need to also do some meta research on you to see how much of this substance I'm noticing is just style. The list of games you posted will be helpful there. Now the thing will be having time to do that.
And to answer your other question, I sort people by how townie they are, not how untownie.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busywork" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Cantrip: Re: Meg: 213 is the post I was referencing where he was explaining himself. Explain this more, because I'm still not sure why it's scummy. He's literally just explaining his thought process. But I do agree that he's doing a bit of egging and fluffposting... the issue is I think he does that as either alignment.
Re: you not caring about the answers to your questions: Good answer. I had thought that you were kind of not recieving any real pressure, so I thought I'd push you a bit to see your reaction. I'd rate it as "more town than not".
Re: tom/silver: I forget what game it was there town!tom made the point that he doesn't bus unless he needs to, but I looked into it recently. And he doesn't. Like, chronically doesn't. His treatment of Siver this early with no other significant pressure on him (Vaime kinda has some but he's not pushing very hard) makes it very unlikley that tom is scum with silver. Could it be theatre? Sure. Both are saavy enough mafia players to make that happen. But these particular hoofbeats are telling me horse right now. Unless they both start being scummy independent of each other, then it's probably a horse.
Silver: I didn't wait until you spent yourselves or whatever. I posted when I could post. Part of that post had to do with you and tom.
Vaimes 396 is probably a townpost. Scum don't really think to have 'epiphanies' to come to reads.
Kinda wanna scumlean tom for 405. The passivity of it specifically.
I'm also scumreading KK for 412. That level of aggressiveness just kinda came out of nowhere. Also it's like... kinda fallacious in a way I do not like.
Tom: Talk to me about KK's 412.
Wrt: dichotomy. Your posts arent scummy if silvers scum
Which he is
As for #412
Same answer
Its not scummy if its right.
Also the aggression in no way came out of nowhere so idk what youre talking about anyway
If they think me and silver are both town, and weve both said you look like scum if we were (but not believed that premise), and also just you objectively look like scum ******* around with a v/v fight...
Why no kj votes?
I’m catching up now and will try to stay caught up from then on.
If there is scum in tom/silver, it’s tom. Scum!silver wouldn’t draw all that attention to himself and would have dropped it when there was no support coming, while scum!tom has the confidence to push a mislynch like this and get away with it afterwards.
That said, I think it’s more likely KK is scum and tom and silver both town.
The way he picked a side at a moment where multiple people were saying that we should move our focus elsewhere makes a lot of sense from a scum standpoint that wants to continue this fight.
Megs has a post somewhere that almost reads like a confession. Will look it up when not on the phone.
My current world is KK/Megs/Vaimes?
The Vaimes read is still flimsy though.
@tom: where did KJ show he likes your fight?
i was voting for him before .
i understand that people would be suspicious .
scum in which folks ?
@emiko youre not one of the people in question.
Also i think you are voting KJ for playstyle.
Silver didnt draw attention to himself, i drew attention to him
He did try to drop it when he got no support
And also
Weak
Still not liking KK
Tom, this post is a great example of my thoughts on your case. I believe you believe this, but I don't believe it's a good assumption that silver would consider this exact specific line of reasoning
Also, I feel like silver was specifically saying he didn't see those thoughts coming from townTom, not any generic townie. I can understand you lumping that together, but it feels like an important distinction from the outside
My vote IS the push
I like that we're on basically the same page. I'm townlean on vaimes, but that third slot is my biggest question mark too
I'm not voting KJ, because KJ is doing exactly what I'd expect from townKJ.
Seriously, my post makes sense. Read silvers responses to my original case and then read until 394. I’m literally misguided town to him until I’m safe to pressure.
Literally everyone against him is scum in his eyes right now (plus the popular choice of mega). Everyone else is neutral but Emiko. He’s keeping his options open so he can hop into whatever wagon he wants when it’s time to move on.
Please don’t accept a preconceived notion on this just because you’re tired of it and you already made up your mind. Make silver at least participate and prove what he’s claiming.
Also, there’s certainly scum fence sitting on this right now because town is making it the safe and smart choice by disengaging.
Maybe I'm reading something else, but I haven't got the impression that silver is fencesitring on a lot of people or not giving out reads.
Like you are undermining your whole argument when you say that he calls everyone suspicious of him scum and then claim he doesn't give reads on people. Just from his posts related to me it seems that I'm considered at least townier than just neutral.
vote KK
Shadow can wait. This just seems like a totally halfhearted attack in the hope of getting more pressure on silver.
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His only scum reads are the people pressuring him and Megiddo. Everyone ELSE, except for Emiko, silver is using very weak language and leaving room to move.
He's not scumhunting at all. Reread him and you'll see it.
Also, am I at L-2 with that?
Mod: Votecount please?
Tom ignoring that I flat out admitted that if KJ is saying the same thing about that TWTBAW post then him being town might not be a crazy notion so he could say that I specifically didn't say that is... I don't even know what to say about it, really. Dude's either howling because he thinks my mislunch should be a slam dunk and is frustrated there isn't more traction or deep in a tunnel and lost his flashlight.
If KK is town Rhand might be a wolf.
@KK
I literally wrote two posts about how I don't think all three of you are wolves together and probably just one of you is, maybe read those (bottom of the last page, #396 and #398 I think cause Vaimes had #399 and #400)
And I didn't "literally think you were misguided town until you were safe to pressure" I had a very slight town read on you when you initially voted me poorly and gave you the benefit of the doubt because you don't know me/tom/vaimes
Megs isn't even that popular of a wagon right now and I was one of the first to call him out when he was evading my questions about his Vaimes read so like
???
Like I'm a fan of hyperbole and exaggeration, I use them all the time as both alignments, but this is a bit silly
Can see you believing the whole "I waited until it was safe to scumread you" thing but the rest feels like you're reaching for things to throw at me and hoping something sticks
I don't really know. I feel that scum & scum is pretty unlinkely. Somrwhere around 10%
Town & town is more probable, but I can't really put a number on it. Maybe 30%
Right now I think there's at least one scum between you.
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Would you say the same thing about Tom? They've been about equally focused on each other
I've been eyeing him for scum as well since his snipe-y post a few days ago. His two posts yesterday, less so. I did. Its part of why I don't buy your reads. The fact that you say tom is your #1 scum plus me/kj, but can't be scum with either of us, but we're still all topscum- When I actually type this thought out it sounds stupid. Clearly you can have us all as scumpects while acknowledging that we're probably not aligned. Yes, I acknowledge that my read of your tone as "pushing back against misguided town" was my own perspective and not easily provable. I disagree on his wagon not being popular. It only seems that way because he went AWOL yesterday.
Anyway, I clearly need to cool off on this. I'm not talking about silver unless addressed for a while. Which, given everyone's interest, I'm probably not talking about silver at all for a while.
Still don't think they're wolves together but I'd be shocked if all three of tom/KK/KJ are town
@KK Yeah I don't scum hunt much on D1
The whole process of like, grilling your reads and forcing them to admit they're wolves doesn't hold much enjoyment for me and I don't get good reads from it anyway, no one is going to admit they're a wolf, that'd be silly
Like I told KCC earlier I usually let the wolves come to me, something about my playstyle makes them think I'm a good D1 mislunch for some reason but it hasn't worked yet, so.
I guess when you come back we can talk about this because I have... questions
You liked his two posts yesterday including his #433?