Suddenly, you hear screaming and shouting as the guards have appeared once again. It seems like you are about to lose yet another person here on the backstage.
Lastwhisper (5): EmikoYuriemoto, KittyCupCake, Vaimes, Killjoy, Cantripmancer
KittyCupCake (2): vezokpiraka, Lastwhisper
Megiddo (1): Sir Chris
Not Voting (1): Megiddo
V/LA: -
That's a lynch! Stand by for end of day scene!
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You make your way to towards the scene and see that guards are already carrying a group of performers out. You ask another person who had been on the scene earlier and seen it all, what exactly took place here.
They answer you that another group had managed to rile this group by mentioning some past events that had struck the nerve with this German group being escorted out of the premises.
Apparently people here don't take it too well when you mention "nil points" to them. Better keep that in mind for the future.
Lastwhisper has been lynched! They were:
Welcome to the game! Your role is the following:
Alignment: Mafia Role: Goon Song: Dschinghis Khan/Moskau Performed by: Dschinghis Khan Country: West Germany
"Moscow, Moscow
Your soul is so great
At night all hell breaks loose
Ha ha ha ha ha, hey"
"Crime, once exposed, has no refuge but in audacity."
Taking those words to your heart, you decided to go all the way this year with your performance. Lyrics and destruction of Moscow. Performers danced up as Dschinghis Khan and his troops. Incredible catchy song.
Despite not securing the win, you still managed to land to a 4th place in the 1979 Eurovision Song Competition. Now the years have passed and what is the only performance people remember from that year? That's right, you! No one remembers the winner, not to mention 2nd or 3rd places. They only remember you and that's how it should be!
Now, it's your time to shine and take that gold metal with you home, with force if you have to! There's no stopping you now!
You have no abilities.
You win when you have taken the control over this show!
Well, that was one troublemaker less in the backstage. You decide to celebrate this by making it to your room and drinking a bit more of the booze you secretly snuck out of the green room earlier.
After spending some time in your own room drinking and trying to relax and refocusing on your upcoming performance, you finally decide to get out of your room and get some fresh air. Sadly, it seems that incidents seem to follow each other.
This time, one of the rooms is filled with ripped foil costumes, broken lights and one huge crystal ball smashed to pieces. You talk to others on the scene of crime and it turns out that no one here has seen them in quite a while. Someone tries to comfort with information that Madonna might make an appearance at this competition during half-time show, but that doesn't help lift your spirits. Without everyone's favourite Verka, what will become of this competition and Europe...?
KittyCupCake has been found dead! They were:
Welcome to the game! Your role is the following:
Alignment: Town Role: 1-shot Vanilla Town Cop Song: Dancing Lasha Tumbai Performed by: Verka Serduchka Country: Ukraine
"Seven, seven, ai lyu lyu
Seven, seven, one, two
Seven, seven, ai lyu lyu
One, two, three"
Ask any Europian what's the most memorable Eurovision performance of all times. I dare you. The chances that they name "Dancing Lasha Tumbai" (which sounds suspiciously similar to "Dancing Russia Goodbye") is very, very high. The pure weirdness coated in aluminium foil, nonsense lyrics and crazy moves has made a lasting impression on Europians.
Despite having quite a lot opposition in your home country when you were elected to perform, once you managed to land on second place back in 2007. That shut up all the complainers. You certainly know how do your thing. And that wasn't the end of it, after 2007 you've made cameo appearances in Eurovision several times and even in an American movie! Even though no one remembers anything else from you except that one song, it doesn't matter! As long as people are enjoying it, you are very happy with it!
Being the most campiest performance to ever set their feet on Eurovision stage, you are sure to identify your brethren too! Just a single glace through your massive sunglasses is bound to reveal to you are they just a boring, plain performance or maybe something more...
Epitome of Campiness (1-shot): Target a player. You will check out whether they are a true, campy Eurovision performance or just a plain boring Vanilla Town.
You win when all the hostile performances have been dropped out of the competition!
The horrendous scene unfolding before your eyes and strengthened your resolve to catch rest of the perpetrators behind this. This cannot continue!
It's now Day 3. With 7 alive, it’s 4 to lynch. Deadline is on November 2nd.
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I know we need to be careful about voting, but I'm 99% sure this slot is scum.
Oh also I'm clear from the way Last was clearly mad at me for joking about his replace-in into a scumslot, and his subsequent "Vaimes used his replace-out attempt to get townread" push.
dont spam the thread with useless posts then, did any of my responses tell you anything about my alignment?
and this is not meant to be shade, but there is literally nothing in your iso that feels like the vaimes I was a wolf against last game
also since you called out Vezok on his vote, what does him voting me mean? im trying to decide if your reaction to my claim is +town points, I do believe wolves are more likely to not second guess it
on a micro level I'd probably vote Rhand for his reaction, but Im stubborn, and I want to wait for more content from him
The likelyhood of this actually being a hit based on the speed of the train growth is less likely
I originally didn't like his response to my claim, but that's weak, and on a macro level he hasn't done anything wolfy, and I've been witness to Rhand getting lynched for some bs stuff
@Rhand
I'd expect town to like not just believe it or at least think about, idk
its not a strong read in the very least, and Im about 70% sure you just got spewed town by all these votes
who are the wolf(s) voting you?
I'm not going to push myself to do anything more this game, I don't need to
I'm not dropping Rhand, but I don't think he's done enough for his train to have gone that high that fast, regardless of what I may or may not think of the people on the train
@emiko
Yes he did, but that's not me
Also I'm not getting lynched, and even if my train manages to somehow get high, there is absolutely nothing you can push but assumptions.
The only thing he lacks as mafia is consistency, and his pushes get stale, or just bad in general
I'm not making reads today only I won't Lynch and I am ok with lynching
With the first being, a long the lines of vaimes, Rhand, vezok
And the ok with lynching as it stands, meg and KK
I think your lone vote on my is wolfy, and it's not gunna go anywhere, but idk if that's just my bias or what, you aren't going to go anywhere with it, but here we are
I think vezok is town, and Meg is scum. Last isn't very creative when it comes to distancing.
also none of those things make me a wolf, and neither does my claim, regardless of if its real or a gambit
@Cantrip
I would expect to die, but considering this whole thread spouted about my claim being unlikely, that could be a good explanation as of why I didnt
wolves killed Tom who town read me, which likely points to Rhand
Also to be clear, my activity level has absolutely nothing to do with my alignment
You need to understand from my POV that I and Vezok are both town, once I flip and confirm him, what then?
Why do I need to reveal everything day 2?
Why am I not being counter claimed?
Let's say Rhand is the wolf, who are his partners?
These posts are (almost? maybe one post apart) immediately back-to-back. He says the NK points to Rhand, and then throws out a question that's 100% a soft defense of the slot, when Rhand doesn't really have anything to do with what Last is talking about in that last post. It's like, "me me my role no CC me me me, also Rhand!"
That's my case, plus all the stuff I said about Rhand Day 2.
Killjoy, defend Rhand, please. If you still think he's town.
I won't be satisfied with anything you have to say about him, really, but it'll help me see if the read is genuine and if I need to tinfoil you or not. I'm leaning towards you being town, but it's nice to be thorough.
Oh, the reason Last and Meg are scum together is because Last scumread him-ish on Day 1, and then Day 2 started asking why people suddenly wanted to vote for Meg.
killjoy i’m soliciting opinions on here—i was about to vote him Yesterday after our back and forth since i didn’t like the texture of what he was arguing. but with KCC town flip it makes a lot more sense that he’s town, genuinely thought KCC was town, and thought my argument was in bad faith and therefore that i was scum.
thoughts?
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Can we have Megiddo removed from the forum forever please?
i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
At first glance, ok with pursuing Chris and Megiddo. I don't like that in the War of the Cops, Megiddo made a case against the real one. Plus he would be the scum on my wagon. I'll want to take my own look at Rhand/Chris now that we have a red body, but Vaimes has certainly done a good job of presenting grokkable arguments.
V/LA until Monday, likely. I may have time tomorrow, but no promises.
Vaimes quotes from last really seem to hammer home that Sir Chris is his buddy. I'm not convinced on meg (I think Cantrip might be the other buddy), but for now I like the Sir Chris wagon and want him dead.
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Without Verka, you go back to your room and decide to down a bottle to soothe the pain and to help you make realise how bad some of the other songs are in the stage. You hope that it won't effect your performance too much though, since passing out in the stage isn't good PR even in Eurovision.
Sir Chris (3): Vaimes, Megiddo, vezokpiraka
Not Voting (4): Sir Chris, Cantripmancer, Killjoy, EmikoYuriemoto
V/LA: Cantripmancer (28.10.)
With 7 alive, it’s 4 to lynch. Deadline is on November 2nd.
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First things first, can someone (who isn't Vaimes) summarize for me why Rhandslot is scum?
Vaimes: I'll get back to you on that within the next few days. I've been trying to decipher VCA and vote movesments etc, and I'm coming to the conclusion that something is wrong with my worldview... specifically your votes aren't as wrong as I'd like them to be. Whether that means that it's just Meg/Cantrip instead of Meg/you or if it's just not Cantrip at all (Vez, Rhandslot) remains to be seen. Though, if Meg is town I'll revisit that because that would start to make a little more sense.
While I look this over, I'd like to hear from Chris for sure. He didn't really get to do much since he replaced in and I'd like to see what he has to say.
Meg: My view on Vaimes is that he hasn't done anything super actively scumhunty (until now, with Last's posts here) this game. Tom said he was doing a thing but IDK if that's true.
Another thing is that he spent yesterday not answering my questions because I might be confbiasing which is A Thing (I wanna say ad hominem, saying that the argument is less valid due to something about the person making it, but I'm not sure if there isn't just another word for that specific fallacy and ad hominem always has to be aggressive or whatever)
He also spent a couple of posts excluding himself from scumteams, which I've always found an awkward thing for Town to do for themselves.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Like how exactly is town excluding themselves from scumteams at all awkward? Nobody is going to propose a world where they’re scum unless it’s to highlight how unlikely that world is. Or to placate people who dislike when others call themselves town, for whatever reason.
@Vaimes: Which is why I'm not on you as much for the first thing: It's your playstyle. I'm justn ot seeing an indication of whether you're town or scum for it.
Why is Rhandslot a better lynch than Meg? You seem to be scumreading him.
I feel like it's unnatural for town to propose scum worlds they're not a part of. Because as town it's unnatural to think of scum worlds you could be a part of (excepting being asked or something crazy like that).
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'll check into all this either tonight or tomorrow.
Is there a reason we shouldn't allow Chris to talk though? If he's scum that only helps, right?
Sure. Everyone has their day in court.
But realistically, what, is he going to schmooze me into thinking he's a villager? Take me and him out of the game and say there's still two scum left. What teams make sense at all?
Like I think based on interactions, Last makes sense as scum with Rhand and Meg.
Not so much with vez. Fakeclaiming a check on a buddy is just begging for any real town PRs to snoop on you. He would actively be putting himself AND a buddy in the spotlight to be checked, watched, tracked, blah blah blah.
Like I think based on interactions, Last makes sense as scum with Rhand and Meg.
Not so much with vez. Fakeclaiming a check on a buddy is just begging for any real town PRs to snoop on you. He would actively be putting himself AND a buddy in the spotlight to be checked, watched, tracked, blah blah blah.
I mean, as I mentioned, Marl had just done it a bunch on MC, so Last imitating that behaviour isn't so unlikely.
But he might have chosen town for a safer play. Not sure that he definitely does that, but... ymmv.
Squinting at your list; would love to hear your thought process there.
Probably hammering in about 15 minutes, as it'd just be like me to try and wait until just before deadline and then space it.
I think Vez is way more likely scum than vaimes, a bit more likely than Cantrip, and worth weighing against Chris pending his future contributions
Vote Lastwhisper
See you on the flip side.
Suddenly, you hear screaming and shouting as the guards have appeared once again. It seems like you are about to lose yet another person here on the backstage.
Lastwhisper (5): EmikoYuriemoto, KittyCupCake, Vaimes, Killjoy, Cantripmancer
KittyCupCake (2): vezokpiraka, Lastwhisper
Megiddo (1): Sir Chris
Not Voting (1): Megiddo
V/LA: -
That's a lynch! Stand by for end of day scene!
You make your way to towards the scene and see that guards are already carrying a group of performers out. You ask another person who had been on the scene earlier and seen it all, what exactly took place here.
They answer you that another group had managed to rile this group by mentioning some past events that had struck the nerve with this German group being escorted out of the premises.
Apparently people here don't take it too well when you mention "nil points" to them. Better keep that in mind for the future.
Lastwhisper has been lynched! They were:
Alignment: Mafia
Role: Goon
Song: Dschinghis Khan/Moskau
Performed by: Dschinghis Khan
Country: West Germany
"Moscow, Moscow
Your soul is so great
At night all hell breaks loose
Ha ha ha ha ha, hey"
"Crime, once exposed, has no refuge but in audacity."
Taking those words to your heart, you decided to go all the way this year with your performance. Lyrics and destruction of Moscow. Performers danced up as Dschinghis Khan and his troops. Incredible catchy song.
Despite not securing the win, you still managed to land to a 4th place in the 1979 Eurovision Song Competition. Now the years have passed and what is the only performance people remember from that year? That's right, you! No one remembers the winner, not to mention 2nd or 3rd places. They only remember you and that's how it should be!
Now, it's your time to shine and take that gold metal with you home, with force if you have to! There's no stopping you now!
You have no abilities.
You win when you have taken the control over this show!
Well, that was one troublemaker less in the backstage. You decide to celebrate this by making it to your room and drinking a bit more of the booze you secretly snuck out of the green room earlier.
It's now Night 2. Day 3 will start in ~48 hours.
After spending some time in your own room drinking and trying to relax and refocusing on your upcoming performance, you finally decide to get out of your room and get some fresh air. Sadly, it seems that incidents seem to follow each other.
This time, one of the rooms is filled with ripped foil costumes, broken lights and one huge crystal ball smashed to pieces. You talk to others on the scene of crime and it turns out that no one here has seen them in quite a while. Someone tries to comfort with information that Madonna might make an appearance at this competition during half-time show, but that doesn't help lift your spirits. Without everyone's favourite Verka, what will become of this competition and Europe...?
KittyCupCake has been found dead! They were:
Alignment: Town
Role: 1-shot Vanilla Town Cop
Song: Dancing Lasha Tumbai
Performed by: Verka Serduchka
Country: Ukraine
"Seven, seven, ai lyu lyu
Seven, seven, one, two
Seven, seven, ai lyu lyu
One, two, three"
Ask any Europian what's the most memorable Eurovision performance of all times. I dare you. The chances that they name "Dancing Lasha Tumbai" (which sounds suspiciously similar to "Dancing Russia Goodbye") is very, very high. The pure weirdness coated in aluminium foil, nonsense lyrics and crazy moves has made a lasting impression on Europians.
Despite having quite a lot opposition in your home country when you were elected to perform, once you managed to land on second place back in 2007. That shut up all the complainers. You certainly know how do your thing. And that wasn't the end of it, after 2007 you've made cameo appearances in Eurovision several times and even in an American movie! Even though no one remembers anything else from you except that one song, it doesn't matter! As long as people are enjoying it, you are very happy with it!
Being the most campiest performance to ever set their feet on Eurovision stage, you are sure to identify your brethren too! Just a single glace through your massive sunglasses is bound to reveal to you are they just a boring, plain performance or maybe something more...
Epitome of Campiness (1-shot): Target a player. You will check out whether they are a true, campy Eurovision performance or just a plain boring Vanilla Town.
You win when all the hostile performances have been dropped out of the competition!
The horrendous scene unfolding before your eyes and strengthened your resolve to catch rest of the perpetrators behind this. This cannot continue!
It's now Day 3. With 7 alive, it’s 4 to lynch. Deadline is on November 2nd.
Opinions there?
excellent
all i have to do is completely stop posting and you guys lynch acum. my reads continue to be bad.
let me read back rq
I know we need to be careful about voting, but I'm 99% sure this slot is scum.
Oh also I'm clear from the way Last was clearly mad at me for joking about his replace-in into a scumslot, and his subsequent "Vaimes used his replace-out attempt to get townread" push.
Here are posts that look like buddies with Rhand: This is the EXACT same attitude Last had towards Azrael getting run up. He never actually does this... ...because he asks Rhand to do it! Think Meg might be a wolfbuddy. Same exact sentiment as Modern. I think vezok is town, and Meg is scum. Last isn't very creative when it comes to distancing. These posts are (almost? maybe one post apart) immediately back-to-back. He says the NK points to Rhand, and then throws out a question that's 100% a soft defense of the slot, when Rhand doesn't really have anything to do with what Last is talking about in that last post. It's like, "me me my role no CC me me me, also Rhand!"
That's my case, plus all the stuff I said about Rhand Day 2.
i should be able to do some Work sunday night; i’m in NY for a bachelor party this weekend.
I won't be satisfied with anything you have to say about him, really, but it'll help me see if the read is genuine and if I need to tinfoil you or not. I'm leaning towards you being town, but it's nice to be thorough.
You'd have to tell me a story of what exactly scum!vezok is doing this game.
i’ll join you on Chris Today though.
vote sir chris
killjoy i’m soliciting opinions on here—i was about to vote him Yesterday after our back and forth since i didn’t like the texture of what he was arguing. but with KCC town flip it makes a lot more sense that he’s town, genuinely thought KCC was town, and thought my argument was in bad faith and therefore that i was scum.
thoughts?
do you think Vaimes is scum or was he just in your POE
V/LA until Monday, likely. I may have time tomorrow, but no promises.
Vaimes quotes from last really seem to hammer home that Sir Chris is his buddy. I'm not convinced on meg (I think Cantrip might be the other buddy), but for now I like the Sir Chris wagon and want him dead.
vote Sir Chris
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Without Verka, you go back to your room and decide to down a bottle to soothe the pain and to help you make realise how bad some of the other songs are in the stage. You hope that it won't effect your performance too much though, since passing out in the stage isn't good PR even in Eurovision.
Sir Chris (3): Vaimes, Megiddo, vezokpiraka
Not Voting (4): Sir Chris, Cantripmancer, Killjoy, EmikoYuriemoto
V/LA: Cantripmancer (28.10.)
With 7 alive, it’s 4 to lynch. Deadline is on November 2nd.
Tread lightly.
Vaimes: I'll get back to you on that within the next few days. I've been trying to decipher VCA and vote movesments etc, and I'm coming to the conclusion that something is wrong with my worldview... specifically your votes aren't as wrong as I'd like them to be. Whether that means that it's just Meg/Cantrip instead of Meg/you or if it's just not Cantrip at all (Vez, Rhandslot) remains to be seen. Though, if Meg is town I'll revisit that because that would start to make a little more sense.
While I look this over, I'd like to hear from Chris for sure. He didn't really get to do much since he replaced in and I'd like to see what he has to say.
Meg: My view on Vaimes is that he hasn't done anything super actively scumhunty (until now, with Last's posts here) this game. Tom said he was doing a thing but IDK if that's true.
Another thing is that he spent yesterday not answering my questions because I might be confbiasing which is A Thing (I wanna say ad hominem, saying that the argument is less valid due to something about the person making it, but I'm not sure if there isn't just another word for that specific fallacy and ad hominem always has to be aggressive or whatever)
He also spent a couple of posts excluding himself from scumteams, which I've always found an awkward thing for Town to do for themselves.
Why is Rhandslot a better lynch than Meg? You seem to be scumreading him.
I feel like it's unnatural for town to propose scum worlds they're not a part of. Because as town it's unnatural to think of scum worlds you could be a part of (excepting being asked or something crazy like that).
Hi Vaimes. What's up?
Is there a reason we shouldn't allow Chris to talk though? If he's scum that only helps, right?
Did your reads change or something?
But realistically, what, is he going to schmooze me into thinking he's a villager? Take me and him out of the game and say there's still two scum left. What teams make sense at all?
Nah, just the weight of them.
Last (conf)
Rhand>Vezok>Cantrip
I thought about unvoting, but eh.
Not so much with vez. Fakeclaiming a check on a buddy is just begging for any real town PRs to snoop on you. He would actively be putting himself AND a buddy in the spotlight to be checked, watched, tracked, blah blah blah.
Do I get to know now or after the game?
I mean, as I mentioned, Marl had just done it a bunch on MC, so Last imitating that behaviour isn't so unlikely.
But he might have chosen town for a safer play. Not sure that he definitely does that, but... ymmv.
Well, I've pretty much made it obvious now...
Who was the fake Merlin at the end of Avalon? A player who has played with you in the games I listed.
A player who has connections to Mafia Colosseum and immediately called Wisp out for his fakeclaim being similar to scumplay there.
I'm tinfoiling Meg at this point, but I think that's just paranoia speaking and it's probably between Vezok and Cantrip.
If the team is exactly Shadow/Rhand/Cantrip, I'm popping open a bottle of wine once the game is over.
It was just games the two of us have played together, Vaimes. I don't remember if we ever found each other as town quite as purely as here, though.