@vaimes: Can you walk me through a bit why 5 rapid fire naked votes on rhand out of nowhere was fine. But just 3 explained votes on someone who has been scummy all day is cause for panic?
... I like this question a lot actually so /barn
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@vaimes: Can you walk me through a bit why 5 rapid fire naked votes on rhand out of nowhere was fine. But just 3 explained votes on someone who has been scummy all day is cause for panic?
... I like this question a lot actually so /barn
This is weird. What wxactly are you /barning here?
Yeh I think I was wrong about Megs. But he disappeared too
KJ seems pure, KCC probably town. And Silver is in his town meta. Vezok feels a bit off, bit I think LW is town, so not going there.
Maybe Cantrip? Not too much to go on there.
My strongest reads right now are KK / Vaimes for scum and LW / KJ / KCC for town.
I will be home Sunday and continue my thread analysis then.
If this refers to anything you said to me, then I haven’t felt it. So no worries
I also hope I haven’t been like that?
Thanks. I could see people not really noticing it from me as people get aggressive in mafia, but I’m definitely short-tempered right now. Like I said, mostly self-inflicted.
I haven’t felt personally attacked by anyone or anything.
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
The whole question. You think I don’t know that I’ve been seen as scummy for most the toDay?
But you were one of those 5 votes KCC is talking about.
If you agree with her then why keep your vote on me?
And what do you think about Vaimes? And the others on my wagon?
@Vaimes: I hope all those reads will solidify when I read on. You’re overreacting to a 4 page analysis.
I don't think you've seen me overreact.
If anything, me overreacting is town. Scum!me shuts down when backed into a corner.
”When backed into a corner” bothers me here. There’s no way I would describe vaimes as backed into a corner. He could just be being dramatic in his wording, but he’s in the middle of a self-meta defensive post and the tone seems wrong for that. The line makes me think he’s feeling more pressure than he should be. Which is something I think scum feel regularly.
Also, he certainly is overreacting, if not to the initial post, then he’s overreacting to the accusation of overreacting.
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
All three votes on him have differing reasons, though, and the only person who voted him over that is KCC. So I don't really see how that's connected to the wagon growth being suspicious, I guess.
Agree that his explanation is ~reasonable, he could have meant what he said he meant and also be a wolf though.
I don't mean being voted specifically for that thing. vezok cast a vote, then suddenly Rhand and KCC pop in to vote him too.
I know. That's why I didn't even address that post to you in the first place, there's nothing to discuss here.
@vaimes: Can you walk me through a bit why 5 rapid fire naked votes on rhand out of nowhere was fine. But just 3 explained votes on someone who has been scummy all day is cause for panic?
Panic?
Because I was townreading most of those naked votes? It wasn't even five, it was uh. Damn I forget, me/tom/one other townread, and meg.
Mm, yeah, see this? This is suspicious wagon growth. I don't see how what KK said is indicative of anything, in context it was very obviously meant to be a silly quip to a "you're wrong, here's a vote" post.
I'm not clearing either of them on it yet, but I'm also not worried about it Today. And shadows posting was fine considering he was busy with another game at lylo
Okay. And can you explain more your issues with the growth of the kk wagon?
I'm not slash wasn't scumreading him. I don't really like Rhand. You're my least confident townread by miles. vezok is a question mark, but I agree with Emiko that he's more likely to be town.
I think KK barning your question to me, an side-eyeing me at all, is ???, considering you're trying to kill him and I'm not. I don't expect him to townread me for not wanting to kill him, but it's weird.
@emiko I've pushed for a Vezok lunch because I thought she was a wolf a bunch of times, and never been right. I think her play just is a bit wolfy.
Wisp is, uh. Kind of annoying when he does this really. If he has a claim that he thinks clears him he just claims it and then coasts for a while, I got after him for it in Hill House but. Yeah.
You know what? I've come around to Rhand being town.
I'm self-aware enough to realize that this could look bad for several reasons, buuut I think I can live with it.
If you want the actual three-second process, I literally was typing my response to KCC, scrolled up, reread Rhand's posts to see if he was townreading Meg, and then sort of had an actual "oh, he might be town" epiphany. As fake as that sounds.
Still don't really want to lunch KK but I'm not sure enough there to stop the wagon. My dream is a CFD onto LW.
KCC, can you walk me through how KK has been scummy all Day? I'm going to reread a bit tomorrow, but I just want a condensed, in-your-own-words version of how you're viewing his play.
I'm having a really out there tinfoil, hopefully posting it gets it out of my head.
What are the odds that the team is tom/wisp/vezok and tom's super weird read about the claim being seer cover is so he doesn't have to push Wisp if vezok flips?
I was rereading and noticed that after I asked shadow when his thing was going to be unredacted, tom said something like "don't worry about it, it'll be soon" and I wonder if they weren't planning to claim masons at first then changed the gambit after tom got townread hard for pushing me.
I mean, odds are low, yeah, but like. It fits.
Not worth pursuing toDay, just can't stop thinking about it now.
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Think I still want Megs right now but I'll vote in [KJ/KK/Megs/Rhand/tom] to secure a lunch. Not really interested in Wisp toDay other than as above.
Secondly, [deleted what I typed because I don’t want to say it until vaimes answers the question]
Vaimes's weird reaction has major implications on your (Rhand's) wagon. I'd need to reread it, but I don't have the impression he could have been bussing. I'm still thinking about his responses to the question right now though.
@koolkoal : can you talk about your reads that are not rhand ?
Here's a readlist in order. Cantripmancer -> Feeling pretty town to me despite lack of posting. I like his content and intent to contribute a lot when he does show up. Strong town-lean. EmikoYuriemoto -> Having trouble reading you since I stopped letting myself ignore you. Still thinking town though. Killjoy -> Haven't seen anything to be worried about. I read his borderline tunneling on tom as town. Slight town lean. KittyCupCake -> Once I stopped reading her pouncy-ness as scummy, I've only seen good or null things. tomsloger -> I'm having trouble forming my own read on him to be frank. Mostly have him in the town pile because the arguments others have made for him being town make more sense to me than the arguments that he's scum. Megiddo -> I think probably town, but as I've said before, I remember going nuts trying to read him in the past. Silvercrys3467 [NULL until Day 2] Vaimes -> Was null. Felt I hadn't seen much AI from him. Still currently re-evaluating. shadowlancerx->Lastwhisper -> I'm not trusting Last much, but I still had shadow as null when he replaced. I have a hard time seeing the claim as a scum gambit (though I'd prefer tom's theory to be right, I don't have enough experience to form a relevant opinion.) vezokpiraka -> Scum leaning from extreme vote-hopping plus lurking, but cleared by Last until proven otherwise.
My scum list is pretty ??? even to me after cutting my brain off from silver toDay, plus the Last claim. For reference, Rhand is on the bottom, but not far from vez.
Like I said, my vote on Rhand was mostly to get the game moving again. It's not moving in the way I intended, but it's moving. So... success!!
I'm not slash wasn't scumreading him. I don't really like Rhand. You're my least confident townread by miles. vezok is a question mark, but I agree with Emiko that he's more likely to be town.
I think KK barning your question to me, an side-eyeing me at all, is ???, considering you're trying to kill him and I'm not. I don't expect him to townread me for not wanting to kill him, but it's weird.
What does "I'm not/wasn't scumreading him" mean exactly? Can you be more specific about your current feelings?
As for the /barn, what does KCC trying to kill me have to do with me getting behind a good read and prodding question of hers? I can think she's caught something on this while she is also wrong about me.
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
It's a weird dynamic. Like a love triangle, but with murder.
My current feelings are "I should reread lol." People say you've been scummy all Day and I haven't reeeally noticed, probably because Silver/tom were being distracting.
@emiko I've pushed for a Vezok lunch because I thought she was a wolf a bunch of times, and never been right. I think her play just is a bit wolfy.
Wisp is, uh. Kind of annoying when he does this really. If he has a claim that he thinks clears him he just claims it and then coasts for a while, I got after him for it in Hill House but. Yeah.
it seems that Wisp plays badly and he causes himself to be mislynched a lot ?
Excuse me? I'm a good player, but effort doesnt ever seen to pay off for me, mostly because I rush to solve the game day one, and then I have to 180 a lot of my reads
Stop talking about me, and worry about who the wolves are
I have never once been mislynched in my 2 year mafia career, outside one MU game where one of the players from my Homesite meme'd me and I was super busy
I am trying to actively lurk here, and Everytime I see a name drop it feels like shade
@emiko I've pushed for a Vezok lunch because I thought she was a wolf a bunch of times, and never been right. I think her play just is a bit wolfy.
Wisp is, uh. Kind of annoying when he does this really. If he has a claim that he thinks clears him he just claims it and then coasts for a while, I got after him for it in Hill House but. Yeah.
it seems that Wisp plays badly and he causes himself to be mislynched a lot ?
Wouldn't say "a lot," he's definitely capable of playing well. I've seen it. Just, when he thinks he's confirmed town he feels like he doesn't have to do anything which is kind of aggravating. And he definitely makes decisions I wouldn't make, but then again I don't always make the best decisions, either.
It's. complicated I guess? I don't think he's a bad player he just doesn't always bring his A game... and sometimes he doesn't even try to.
Excuse me? I'm a good player, but effort doesnt ever seen to pay off for me, mostly because I rush to solve the game day one, and then I have to 180 a lot of my reads
Stop talking about me, and worry about who the wolves are
I have never once been mislynched in my 2 year mafia career, outside one MU game where one of the players from my Homesite meme'd me and I was super busy
I am trying to actively lurk here, and Everytime I see a name drop it feels like shade
Oh, hi
this is awkward, you were supposed to show up while I was asleep and complain about my characterization of your play or something
Meh, this site seems to be the only site that memes my play, like I get good comments everywhere else, maybe it's the 2 week day phases or maybe it's that the wolves on this site are actually decent
Not that I haven't played horribly, *wink wink, Game of Thrones Mafia*
@lastwhisper : what do you think of vaimes right now ?
tonally he is sound for the most part
But he will fall off if he is a wolf though, something that I picked up from tom's meta on him, which I didn't really believe till I saw his town game in my last game
@lastwhisper : what do you think of vaimes right now ?
tonally he is sound for the most part
But he will fall off if he is a wolf though, something that I picked up from tom's meta on him, which I didn't really believe till I saw his town game in my last game
KCC, can you walk me through how KK has been scummy all Day? I'm going to reread a bit tomorrow, but I just want a condensed, in-your-own-words version of how you're viewing his play.
Briefly, my main issues are that KKs involvement in silver vs Tom and the rhand vote both seem opportunistic. The reasoning for the rhand vote also felt more like a list of excuses to jump on the wagon. I also haven't liked how he's hedged his reads on Meg, though that's pretty dependant on my read being right there too. The recent TMI slip is stronger than all of that though.
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If this refers to anything you said to me, then I haven’t felt it. So no worries
I also hope I haven’t been like that?
Also, /barn what KCC just said (and +town for her)
This is weird. What wxactly are you /barning here?
KJ seems pure, KCC probably town. And Silver is in his town meta. Vezok feels a bit off, bit I think LW is town, so not going there.
Maybe Cantrip? Not too much to go on there.
My strongest reads right now are KK / Vaimes for scum and LW / KJ / KCC for town.
I will be home Sunday and continue my thread analysis then.
I haven’t felt personally attacked by anyone or anything.
But you were one of those 5 votes KCC is talking about.
If you agree with her then why keep your vote on me?
And what do you think about Vaimes? And the others on my wagon?
Vibing rhand reaction tbh.
I waited to vote you because of the speed of the initial 4 votes, and then the 5th came right while I was typing my post to say I was going to wait.
Secondly, [deleted what I typed because I don’t want to say it until vaimes answers the question]
Vaimes only recently started pinging me, slightly, most specifically with the post I mentioned -ing to. Let me grab it, I forgot to earlier.
Also, he certainly is overreacting, if not to the initial post, then he’s overreacting to the accusation of overreacting.
vote : koolkoal
this also has the best wagon right now .
coincidence ?
Because I was townreading most of those naked votes? It wasn't even five, it was uh. Damn I forget, me/tom/one other townread, and meg.
Rhand (3): Vaimes, Meg, KK
Megs (3): Cantrip, Last, Silver
tom (1): KJ
Not Voting (1): tom
he also made post 485 , which i believe is from town .
You don't think this...
...is an overreaction to 3 votes?
you, Tom, last, Vez, Meg
Idk if thats actually likely
I'll have to look at Proph's votecounts, I don't recall what snapshot that was.
The only time I've lost my cool slash overreacted this game was to LW, and I'm hoping it's because he's just scum somehow and not being a limp noodle.
At the time I had no issue with it because, from my point of view, that's four villagers in a row on Rhand.
Granted I'm now doubtful on LW's alignment but can't be helped atm.
i do not like that vezok and last + shadow have terrible posting this game .
vezok throws his vote around and did not have a good reaction to being confirmed .
last has not given much more to the thread than shadow did .
the cop check is suspicious .
Okay. And can you explain more your issues with the growth of the kk wagon?
I think KK barning your question to me, an side-eyeing me at all, is ???, considering you're trying to kill him and I'm not. I don't expect him to townread me for not wanting to kill him, but it's weird.
Wisp is, uh. Kind of annoying when he does this really. If he has a claim that he thinks clears him he just claims it and then coasts for a while, I got after him for it in Hill House but. Yeah.
I'm self-aware enough to realize that this could look bad for several reasons, buuut I think I can live with it.
If you want the actual three-second process, I literally was typing my response to KCC, scrolled up, reread Rhand's posts to see if he was townreading Meg, and then sort of had an actual "oh, he might be town" epiphany. As fake as that sounds.
Still don't really want to lunch KK but I'm not sure enough there to stop the wagon. My dream is a CFD onto LW.
KCC, can you walk me through how KK has been scummy all Day? I'm going to reread a bit tomorrow, but I just want a condensed, in-your-own-words version of how you're viewing his play.
What are the odds that the team is tom/wisp/vezok and tom's super weird read about the claim being seer cover is so he doesn't have to push Wisp if vezok flips?
I was rereading and noticed that after I asked shadow when his thing was going to be unredacted, tom said something like "don't worry about it, it'll be soon" and I wonder if they weren't planning to claim masons at first then changed the gambit after tom got townread hard for pushing me.
I mean, odds are low, yeah, but like. It fits.
Not worth pursuing toDay, just can't stop thinking about it now.
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Think I still want Megs right now but I'll vote in [KJ/KK/Megs/Rhand/tom] to secure a lunch. Not really interested in Wisp toDay other than as above.
Eh.
I could buy it, especially since Last sounds deflated.
vezok feels neutral to me sans townclear. Only experienced scum!vezok once and it was a while ago, so I've been defaulting to Town But Weird.
Cantripmancer -> Feeling pretty town to me despite lack of posting. I like his content and intent to contribute a lot when he does show up. Strong town-lean.
EmikoYuriemoto -> Having trouble reading you since I stopped letting myself ignore you. Still thinking town though.
Killjoy -> Haven't seen anything to be worried about. I read his borderline tunneling on tom as town. Slight town lean.
KittyCupCake -> Once I stopped reading her pouncy-ness as scummy, I've only seen good or null things.
tomsloger -> I'm having trouble forming my own read on him to be frank. Mostly have him in the town pile because the arguments others have made for him being town make more sense to me than the arguments that he's scum.
Megiddo -> I think probably town, but as I've said before, I remember going nuts trying to read him in the past.
Silvercrys3467 [NULL until Day 2]
Vaimes -> Was null. Felt I hadn't seen much AI from him. Still currently re-evaluating.
shadowlancerx->Lastwhisper -> I'm not trusting Last much, but I still had shadow as null when he replaced. I have a hard time seeing the claim as a scum gambit (though I'd prefer tom's theory to be right, I don't have enough experience to form a relevant opinion.)
vezokpiraka -> Scum leaning from extreme vote-hopping plus lurking, but cleared by Last until proven otherwise.
My scum list is pretty ??? even to me after cutting my brain off from silver toDay, plus the Last claim. For reference, Rhand is on the bottom, but not far from vez.
Like I said, my vote on Rhand was mostly to get the game moving again. It's not moving in the way I intended, but it's moving. So... success!! What does "I'm not/wasn't scumreading him" mean exactly? Can you be more specific about your current feelings?
As for the /barn, what does KCC trying to kill me have to do with me getting behind a good read and prodding question of hers? I can think she's caught something on this while she is also wrong about me.
My current feelings are "I should reread lol." People say you've been scummy all Day and I haven't reeeally noticed, probably because Silver/tom were being distracting.
it seems that Wisp plays badly and he causes himself to be mislynched a lot ?
Stop talking about me, and worry about who the wolves are
I have never once been mislynched in my 2 year mafia career, outside one MU game where one of the players from my Homesite meme'd me and I was super busy
I am trying to actively lurk here, and Everytime I see a name drop it feels like shade
It's. complicated I guess? I don't think he's a bad player he just doesn't always bring his A game... and sometimes he doesn't even try to.
this is awkward, you were supposed to show up while I was asleep and complain about my characterization of your play or something
Not that I haven't played horribly, *wink wink, Game of Thrones Mafia*
But he will fall off if he is a wolf though, something that I picked up from tom's meta on him, which I didn't really believe till I saw his town game in my last game
what caused you to change your opinion of him ?
Briefly, my main issues are that KKs involvement in silver vs Tom and the rhand vote both seem opportunistic. The reasoning for the rhand vote also felt more like a list of excuses to jump on the wagon. I also haven't liked how he's hedged his reads on Meg, though that's pretty dependant on my read being right there too. The recent TMI slip is stronger than all of that though.