KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
[quote from="KoolKoal »" url="/forums/community-forums/mafia/814379-eurovision-mafia-day-1-te-deum?comment=747"]Activity really isn't AI for Rhand. He works a cruise ship (as a host, I think?) So he's always running around doing everything for most likely more than your bog standard eight hour day. Internet probably isn't that great. A whole ordeal.
I’m not voting him for activity level. I’m voting him because he’s a top scumspect and his posts continue to be scummy and now his lack of activity is showing up in a different way now that he’s in danger of being lynched.
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
Rhand is v/la for literally this entire Day. He is posting less now that he’s top wagon
He had a reread going, which he restarted apparently when people started voting him, and only got to page 4 somehow after staying relatively up to speed earlier in the game.
Now he posts only to attack his voters when he sees an opportunity.
Nice job deciding what my post reads like without considering the fact that we have a deadline in 4/5 days and nothing is happening so I don’t want to sit around waiting for something to happen until we run out of time. I want us to actually get info so we can make an informed lynch.
What do you want?
Wow it’s as if we’re in different realities. This is a completely wrong description of what I have done this game.
This time, the performer is much older and the music they sing is very much in line with the classical Eurovision songs. You allow yourself to be lulled by the song for a short moment, until you realise you should be doing something else instead.
Being wrong is not a scum tell. Saying completely untrue stuff and voting people for them is.
I caught someone in a game because they accused me of wagon hopping when I voted in RVS and never changed my vote.
The worst part is that you called Rhand out on stalling the game, when he wasn't in claim range and didn t have any outstanding questions that should have been dealt with.
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Hey vez did you read kk posts talking about scumleaning rhand but not wanting to put him in claimrange yet?
Im not, like, a fan of them his read of rhand is a bit expositional but
They did happen and i mostly buy that rhand popin being what made kk decide to cast a vote regardless of alignment
Then maybe, like, say anything about how it’s a misrep instead of using handwave language plus a vote.
That’s not scumhunting. Scumhunt me, don’t OMGUS me.
Caught for the wrong reasons?
I did say I think you’re scum before, so this isn’t omgus.
What you are doing here is give a narrative of my play that is incorrect. You make my low activity sound scummy while it isn’t. I’m just busy.
You’re not the first one to use that to try to get me lynched; I have been working on these ships for over 5 years now, and I tend to be mislynched a lot when I am sailing.
There is always scum in that push, and in this case I’m pretty sure you’re one of them.
I'm giving my interpretation of a change in your low activity. I know you're busy and I wouldn't be voting you if deadline wasn't coming up. But rather than sit around and wait for something to happen, when clearly nothing was happening, I want the game moving. I think vezok is worse than you but Last is saying no on that. And I'm still dropping silver. There's enough to your wagon and case that I'm willing to push here.
Your few posts have been bad on their own. You're not getting rung up for being low activity.
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
The mindset of this response is absolutely a scumtell. There's no push back, no challenge, no standing up for his read. KK just accepts that his description of rhands play is wrong and defends with that not being a tell.
I can't see this post coming from someone who believes in their read.
Or, I said something I thought was quick and clever (It wasn’t, I was just tired-posting like an idiot again) and then came back to it with a fresh mind in the morning.
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
Or, I said something I thought was quick and clever (It wasn’t, I was just tired-posting like an idiot again) and then came back to it with a fresh mind in the morning.
That doesn't make it better. The fact you didn't think the post through actually makes it worse. Your snap reaction didn't come from a place of thinking you're right, but from a place of knowing you are wrong
This time, the performer is much older and the music they sing is very much in line with the classical Eurovision songs. You allow yourself to be lulled by the song for a short moment, until you realise you should be doing something else instead.
Or, I said something I thought was quick and clever (It wasn’t, I was just tired-posting like an idiot again) and then came back to it with a fresh mind in the morning.
That doesn't make it better. The fact you didn't think the post through actually makes it worse. Your snap reaction didn't come from a place of thinking you're right, but from a place of knowing you are wrong
Um, no?
I was being sarcastic. Is that not obvious?
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
Or, I said something I thought was quick and clever (It wasn’t, I was just tired-posting like an idiot again) and then came back to it with a fresh mind in the morning.
hi, also
feels like a wolfy backtrack after being called out
Unraveling the sarcasm here, you're saying being wrong is not a scumtell, and you shouldn't be voted for that. But... that entirely relies on you being wrong, and more importantly, being wrong and knowing that you are wrong
-I'm way more confident on KK than Meg now. 0 chance of voting rhand
Mm, yeah, see this? This is suspicious wagon growth. I don't see how what KK said is indicative of anything, in context it was very obviously meant to be a silly quip to a "you're wrong, here's a vote" post.
Honestly, I find Rhand's wording in his KK vote post more troubling. It sounds like he's talking to a villager, not someone who's deliberately misrepping him.
Mm, yeah, see this? This is suspicious wagon growth. I don't see how what KK said is indicative of anything, in context it was very obviously meant to be a silly quip to a "you're wrong, here's a vote" post.
All three votes on him have differing reasons, though, and the only person who voted him over that is KCC. So I don't really see how that's connected to the wagon growth being suspicious, I guess.
Agree that his explanation is ~reasonable, he could have meant what he said he meant and also be a wolf though.
All three votes on him have differing reasons, though, and the only person who voted him over that is KCC. So I don't really see how that's connected to the wagon growth being suspicious, I guess.
Agree that his explanation is ~reasonable, he could have meant what he said he meant and also be a wolf though.
I don't mean being voted specifically for that thing. vezok cast a vote, then suddenly Rhand and KCC pop in to vote him too.
Wagon speed is hard to interpret and read into at the best of times. And mtgs phaselengths/tendency of players to pop in and out on their own schedules is not the best of times for that.
I do think it might be noteworthy that rhand joined a new wagon to selfpres instead of the established megs wagon, but don't have a strong idea of what it means at this time
Okay, "he could be town but he could be a wolf" is certainly a helpful thought.
Still townreading Last?
Define "townreading"
I don't think he's a wolf, but that's by claim and not by actually reading into words he has posted
Chance he just claimed something random and is pulling the "I'm lock town because I claimed" to copy his town claim/game from Hill House where he rode his claim to never even get pushed is, like, present but not very high I think. Better claims than n0 cop for that and claiming something you aren't on D1 in a closed set up is asking to get rolecopped by a villager and outed or something.
Im really having trouble thinking hed first post claim anything as scum after the disaster that was <him and grape not listening to tom about claims> in modern mafia
Im really having trouble thinking hed first post claim anything as scum after the disaster that was <him and grape not listening to tom about claims> in modern mafia
I don't think he's fake claiming so...
But yeah, I absolutely don't believe he just randomly decided to leave seer cover when replacing into an MTGS game halfway through D1 lol
Mm, yeah, see this? This is suspicious wagon growth. I don't see how what KK said is indicative of anything, in context it was very obviously meant to be a silly quip to a "you're wrong, here's a vote" post.
Again, yes, obviously a silly quip, but not one that comes from someone who thinks they are right.
Honestly, I find Rhand's wording in his KK vote post more troubling. It sounds like he's talking to a villager, not someone who's deliberately misrepping him.
If you’re town, snap out of this tunnel. You’re seeing things that aren’t there.
If not, then keep going.
Vaimes, your responses to Last around 595 feel a little excessive.
Rhand wagon is very weird and way fast. +town to Rhand, imo, but I also see some comments saying speed isn't necessarily indicative; I'll have to consider those.
KJ's 647 is +town for him.
652 Wisp going after Rhand wagon naked votes/being the one to actively pursue that avenue of attack is +town for Wisp.
657 KK using logic surrounding Wisp's play in Modern without knowing specifics is +scum.
666 Vezok: Scum!Wisp making this claim would be pretty freaking ballsy (which is why I'm leaning away from scum!Wisp), but I could see town!Wisp faking a N0 check to garner reactions, possibly. I'm treating his claim as real until he tells me otherwise. I guess only way I could see scum!Wisp doing this is if scum were told "you know there's no cop in this game" (or sussed that based on their roles).
Caught up to current, thoughts are still pretty scattered, but I've seen nothing from Megiddo that makes me feel like he's town, so fine staying on him. I'd switch to Kool to prevent a no lunch. Not interested in Rhand.
Thread feels...angsty. I know we're trying to bump each other off and all, but...maybe tone it down a little?
Ask questions to get me re-engaged. Sorry I was afk so long. I should be able to participate regularly through Day end.
@KCC: I can’t really think of anything more to prove what I meant. You either believe me or you don’t.
So I’ll just have to drop it unless you ask me a new question about it. Anything else is just going to be me repeating “You’re wrong.” over and over.
I know. That's why I didn't even address that post to you in the first place, there's nothing to discuss here.
@vaimes: Can you walk me through a bit why 5 rapid fire naked votes on rhand out of nowhere was fine. But just 3 explained votes on someone who has been scummy all day is cause for panic?
I'm gonna have another look at his posts soon to see what's there.
Also this Day has kind of descended into tom and Silver continuing to slap each other with rubber chickens.
I am all for a Rhand claim. Didn't realize deadline was soon.
Yeah Rhand should claim
vote KK
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Wow it’s as if we’re in different realities. This is a completely wrong description of what I have done this game.
vote KK
i thought that his posts about silvercrys were real thought .
but i do not like post 745 at all .
Vote: Megiddo
Misrepping is
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Rhand (4): Vaimes, Megiddo, tomsloger, KoolKoal
Megiddo (4): Cantripmancer, KittyCupCake, Lastwhisper, Silvercrys3467
KoolKoal (2): vezokpiraka, Rhand
tomsloger (1): Killjoy
Lastwhisper (1): EmikoYuriemoto
Not Voting (0): -
V/LA: -
With 12 alive, it’s 7 to lynch. Deadline is on October 11th, 8.59 PM GMT (~3d 13h 20 min from this post)!
Being wrong is not a scum tell. Saying completely untrue stuff and voting people for them is.
I caught someone in a game because they accused me of wagon hopping when I voted in RVS and never changed my vote.
The worst part is that you called Rhand out on stalling the game, when he wasn't in claim range and didn t have any outstanding questions that should have been dealt with.
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Im not, like, a fan of them his read of rhand is a bit expositional but
They did happen and i mostly buy that rhand popin being what made kk decide to cast a vote regardless of alignment
Not scum with silver. Looks like not scum with rhand either. So still prolly fine
That’s not scumhunting. Scumhunt me, don’t OMGUS me.
Caught for the wrong reasons?
I did say I think you’re scum before, so this isn’t omgus.
What you are doing here is give a narrative of my play that is incorrect. You make my low activity sound scummy while it isn’t. I’m just busy.
You’re not the first one to use that to try to get me lynched; I have been working on these ships for over 5 years now, and I tend to be mislynched a lot when I am sailing.
There is always scum in that push, and in this case I’m pretty sure you’re one of them.
I'm giving my interpretation of a change in your low activity. I know you're busy and I wouldn't be voting you if deadline wasn't coming up. But rather than sit around and wait for something to happen, when clearly nothing was happening, I want the game moving. I think vezok is worse than you but Last is saying no on that. And I'm still dropping silver. There's enough to your wagon and case that I'm willing to push here.
Your few posts have been bad on their own. You're not getting rung up for being low activity.
Unvote vote KoolKoal
The mindset of this response is absolutely a scumtell. There's no push back, no challenge, no standing up for his read. KK just accepts that his description of rhands play is wrong and defends with that not being a tell.
I can't see this post coming from someone who believes in their read.
That doesn't make it better. The fact you didn't think the post through actually makes it worse. Your snap reaction didn't come from a place of thinking you're right, but from a place of knowing you are wrong
@Emiko: we're not lunching Whisper toDay, if you had to choose between Rhand, Megs, and KoolKoal who would you pick?
I was being sarcastic. Is that not obvious?
hi, also
feels like a wolfy backtrack after being called out
I mean, yeah, it's obviously sarcasm, but that doesn't change anything?
You sarcastically said...
Unraveling the sarcasm here, you're saying being wrong is not a scumtell, and you shouldn't be voted for that. But... that entirely relies on you being wrong, and more importantly, being wrong and knowing that you are wrong
-I'm way more confident on KK than Meg now. 0 chance of voting rhand
I understand where you think you’re seeming a scumslip, but you’re just wrong.
I'm not feeling KK.
Also why would any villager claiming a PR ever say this.
Dont mind the kcc vote/push though
Agree that his explanation is ~reasonable, he could have meant what he said he meant and also be a wolf though.
Still townreading Last?
I do think it might be noteworthy that rhand joined a new wagon to selfpres instead of the established megs wagon, but don't have a strong idea of what it means at this time
I don't think he's a wolf, but that's by claim and not by actually reading into words he has posted
Chance he just claimed something random and is pulling the "I'm lock town because I claimed" to copy his town claim/game from Hill House where he rode his claim to never even get pushed is, like, present but not very high I think. Better claims than n0 cop for that and claiming something you aren't on D1 in a closed set up is asking to get rolecopped by a villager and outed or something.
Im really having trouble thinking hed first post claim anything as scum after the disaster that was <him and grape not listening to tom about claims> in modern mafia
But yeah, I absolutely don't believe he just randomly decided to leave seer cover when replacing into an MTGS game halfway through D1 lol
Be interesting to see how that plays out
True. And that's a reasonable defense Day2, after pushing a lynch that flipped town Day1.
Again, yes, obviously a silly quip, but not one that comes from someone who thinks they are right.
If you’re town, snap out of this tunnel. You’re seeing things that aren’t there.
If not, then keep going.
So I’ll just have to drop it unless you ask me a new question about it. Anything else is just going to be me repeating “You’re wrong.” over and over.
Vaimes, your responses to Last around 595 feel a little excessive.
Rhand wagon is very weird and way fast. +town to Rhand, imo, but I also see some comments saying speed isn't necessarily indicative; I'll have to consider those.
KJ's 647 is +town for him.
652 Wisp going after Rhand wagon naked votes/being the one to actively pursue that avenue of attack is +town for Wisp.
657 KK using logic surrounding Wisp's play in Modern without knowing specifics is +scum.
666 Vezok: Scum!Wisp making this claim would be pretty freaking ballsy (which is why I'm leaning away from scum!Wisp), but I could see town!Wisp faking a N0 check to garner reactions, possibly. I'm treating his claim as real until he tells me otherwise. I guess only way I could see scum!Wisp doing this is if scum were told "you know there's no cop in this game" (or sussed that based on their roles).
Caught up to current, thoughts are still pretty scattered, but I've seen nothing from Megiddo that makes me feel like he's town, so fine staying on him. I'd switch to Kool to prevent a no lunch. Not interested in Rhand.
Thread feels...angsty. I know we're trying to bump each other off and all, but...maybe tone it down a little?
Ask questions to get me re-engaged. Sorry I was afk so long. I should be able to participate regularly through Day end.
I know. That's why I didn't even address that post to you in the first place, there's nothing to discuss here.
@vaimes: Can you walk me through a bit why 5 rapid fire naked votes on rhand out of nowhere was fine. But just 3 explained votes on someone who has been scummy all day is cause for panic?
Also some rl stuff is making me more snippy and impatient with everything atm.
I’ll try to do better.