@Vaimes: Vezok fishy? Last just claimed a N0 town check on him.
Why are you telling me you’re not overreacting and that overreacting is the town!you in one post?
Do you believe every claim you see?
I was pointing out that overreacting isn't a scumtell. Not that I was overreacting and therefore should be townread for it, because asking you questions is not an overreaction.
Saying you're gonna fight me is the overreaction I meant.
I don't believe every claim I see, no.
But if he's lying then he has to be scum for Vezok to be scum. Which should either remove Vezok from your list or add LW to it.
Yet another group of performers is climbing to the stage. You just watch them silently from the backstage, and think you still have a good chance of beating them all. Besides, they even interrupted the song for some weird sax solo...
Hmm. Interesting. I slept for 12 hours and come back to being conf town. Cool.
Well, shadow's vote makes much more sense now that he knew I was town. Makes much more sense to join a wagon you consider scummy with your confirmed town person.
So yeah last can be town for now.
There's something off about Rhand. He seems to be saying the right words, but his heart doesn't seem to be in it.
vote Rhand
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Vote Vaimes
is where I want to be right now.
Him pushing out that Vezok read without even taking that claim into account is just wrong.
Also, there seems to be no reason whatsoever for his vote on me. After the post where he said that, hardly anything happened between him and me.
The only thing really happening was tom voting me. I think he just sees me as the easy wagon now.
Cantrip tom Silver Emiko KJ KCC are all people I don't want to lunch. I'm suspending judgement on shadast.
Meggido and vezok are fishy.
Everyone else is whatever.
@tom: assuming your strong town read of me used to put me in your towncore, what took me out of that and where do you have me now?
Need to do some broad rereading today. All my scum reads amounted to, after stopping myself on silver, was vezok and rhand leaning scum. I’m not rushing Rhand to claim threshold with just that.
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
I think I’m pretty good at Getting There on you on Day 1s. And so far I haven’t. Possible omgus bias on my part, which will hopefully resolve itself if you're town.
Vaimes
[Last vezok]
tom Silver
Cantrip
Emiko KJ
KCC
meg Rhand KK
I don’t know how I feel about this.
Think KCC might be a wolf? Why?
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I like waking up to a flash wagon on a wolf read at L-2 with another pending vote on him and all but like
Wagon speed is sketchy as hell given most of the votes are almost naked and I feel like I'm the only one with any substantive thoughts on him besides Vaimes' recent stuff
Vaimes
[Last vezok]
tom Silver
Cantrip
Emiko KJ
KCC
meg Rhand KK
I don’t know how I feel about this.
Think KCC might be a wolf? Why?
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I like waking up to a flash wagon on a wolf read at L-2 with another pending vote on him and all but like
Wagon speed is sketchy as hell given most of the votes are almost naked and I feel like I'm the only one with any substantive thoughts on him besides Vaimes' recent stuff
No, one of your posts last night made me so I’m looking at you more critically than before. I don’t want to get into it now though. I’d rather not distract from rhand.
Ask me Tomorrow/when rhand wagon is resolved.
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
This game seems to have very little chill, for what it's worth.
Well I’m not gung-ho about chain lunching them. It’s a Day 1 hypothesis. And I’m most certainly townreading a/some scum but that’s a D2-onwards!Vaimes problem.
The likelyhood of this actually being a hit based on the speed of the train growth is less likely
I originally didn't like his response to my claim, but that's weak, and on a macro level he hasn't done anything wolfy, and I've been witness to Rhand getting lynched for some bs stuff
No, one of your posts last night made me so I’m looking at you more critically than before. I don’t want to get into it now though. I’d rather not distract from rhand.
Ask me Tomorrow/when rhand wagon is resolved.
If I do get lynched toDay, take a very hard look at KK toMorrow.
@Rhand
I'd expect town to like not just believe it or at least think about, idk
its not a strong read in the very least, and Im about 70% sure you just got spewed town by all these votes
who are the wolf(s) voting you?
Dont think the rhand wagon is too fast or spewy or whatever. First 3 votes are clearly town to me, and vez/megs are possible scum that im not seeing as unaligned with him anyway
@tom: assuming your strong town read of me used to put me in your towncore, what took me out of that and where do you have me now?
Need to do some broad rereading today. All my scum reads amounted to, after stopping myself on silver, was vezok and rhand leaning scum. I’m not rushing Rhand to claim threshold with just that.
still think youre town but towncore definitely passed you by
@Rhand
I'd expect town to like not just believe it or at least think about, idk
its not a strong read in the very least, and Im about 70% sure you just got spewed town by all these votes
who are the wolf(s) voting you?
Based on just the votes, it can be anyone really.
Vaimes I am already scumreading and apart from that there is no reasoning given.
Which is bothersome: if I do get lynched, there are too many votes on me that don't give useful info.
I'm gonna continue my thread analysis when I can.
I don't just take your claim for granted. But Vaimes seemed to just dismiss it.
I had a friend who claimed a green peek on scum and didn’t let up until endgame.
So yes I’m very skeptical of things and wine and gambits and whatever. Not really my problem though because I don’t have to NK people and see who’s bluffing.
Like believe it or not but town will lie for what they believe to be the greater good, or because they think it has a good chance of tripping up scum.
I don’t know if Last is lying or gambiting but it’s certainly going to be cleared up before endgame so whatever. I certainly wasn’t going to accept it as reality when he casually brought it up, because if shadow was trying to be subtle about it then why reveal the check when vezok had one vote?
@tom: assuming your strong town read of me used to put me in your towncore, what took me out of that and where do you have me now?
Need to do some broad rereading today. All my scum reads amounted to, after stopping myself on silver, was vezok and rhand leaning scum. I’m not rushing Rhand to claim threshold with just that.
still think youre town but towncore definitely passed you by
Mkay. I was curious because you didn’t seem to waver the whole time I was on silver, despite everyone’s opinion of me.
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
But yeah I thought shadow was deliberately trying not to be NK’d.
Maybe. I just know if I was in lylo in one game and early day1 in another, they're getting like a 90/10 split of my attention, so I assumed it was that
A few things before I start catching up fully again:
I'm pretty sure Rhand is town. The way he's handling the game is very much in line with his town game. His wagon should be informative to dissect.
I think Last is lying about his claim, but I don't think he's scum for it. He's probably >rand town for his claim actually. He just got off a game where he lost a game by blowing his claim. He came into this game immediately claiming. It would be... pretty ballsy to risk fakeclaiming so immediately after Modern.
Actually, if shadow didn't get to pick his target, as was my role in Death in the Family... maybe it's real. I was gonna say that shadow 110% picks tom for an n0 peek but he may not have had a choice.
I feel like there was something else. I can't remember.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
/fighting for the gold metal (alive)
Rhand
vezokpiraka
KoolKoal
Cantripmancer shadowlancerx Lastwhisper
Silvercrys3467
Vaimes
Killjoy
Megiddo
EmikoYuriemoto
KittyCupCake
tomsloger
I'm town.
Wisp and Vezok are ~probably town? Even in the scenario where Wisp is a wolf I think Vezok probably is, at least, shadow set up the reveal pretty early on and it'd be kind of weird to lead with a gambit like that? There's a nonzero chance they're both wolves with tom, but that's a tinfoil at the moment.
Emiko is just, guileless, no agenda, doesn't seem to have partners. Playing her own tune rather than taking cues from someone else and it's a pretty villagery one.
Vaimes is Vaimes. ( ) Jokes aside, this read is kind of a gimme/ask me later. His tone is townie, etc. and while I wouldn't lock him in for that, I kind of understand where his reads are coming from even though I don't really agree with some of them and I kiiiind of think if he's a wolf he doesn't go with the me and tom are t/t line as strongly as he did since it'd be pretty good for him to get either of us mislunched. Our PoEs are pretty similar, too, so if he's a wolf mine's probably completely wrong.
KCC is sort of the same? I've come around on her just being an aggressive villager, just the directions she's taking her reads and stuff feel fine.
I guess Cantrip is a little north of true null, I have a really hard time reading him and just like. He sounds reasonable and villagery but that's not really AI for him. So this is "the town read I'm least confident in".
Killjoy goes slightly under null, his questions/prodding are going in kind of weird directions and stuff but, well, he's voting tom with me and it would've been real easy for him to just turn that line of questioning he started on me with into a vote so...?
Rhand is a plausible tom partner for his handling of my wagon (looks like he was distancing from tom while putting pressure on KoolKoal and Megs) but the flash wagon skeeved me out pretty badly so... Wolf on him is, well, probably tom regardless of his alignment (tom was first vote, doubt he would have predicted Rhand would get run up that fast if they're partners).
KoolKoal and Megs are both plausible wolves if tom is town (lol) but probably not wolves together since they wagoned me in a weird way when my wagon was dying and they were tied for leading wagons. I guess one of them with tom isn't totally out of the question (probably Megs, I guess) but both would be pretty lol worthy.
Individually I don't really like KK's voting patterns or even most of his posts, though that could be a playstyle thing more than a wolf thing I guess. And megs has been really weirdly focused on me while mostly floating through the thread. If Rhand is a wolf I guess KK is more likely to be his partner over megs since Rhand said he left his vote on megs on purpose in that one post.
idk man that still sounds pretty fake to me. how often have you seen me present a scumread that wasnt narrative-based?
Ftr the narrative was a thought exercise and what made me vote you was going back to that initial post i called "not the towny version but not the scummy version either" and changing my mind that it was the scum version and now ive already moved on to this reaction to my vote just being made up omgus because i called out <like 2/3s of the scumteam>
I write narrative reads all the time dude, it isn't about [the fact that there was a narrative]
The narrative didn't feel natural and I don't think those are real thoughts you had about me
It's not omgus, I don't think you suck I just think you're a wolf
Could be wrong, yeah, but don't think I am
This feels like classic scum ignoring something difficult to argue against (most of tom's FTR) while attacking the part of the case they think is weak. Appearing strong while glossing over an important part of the argument.
I ***** posted with Vaimes some which you apparently took as TMI that he's town because you... thought I was strongly townreading him without trying to solve him
you "cased" me and concluded I was a wolf
I called you out because I was never strongly townreading Vaimes and your "case" felt manufactured to fit the read you wanted
And now I'm a wolf because I thought your case was manufactured and I voted you for it
now either
(1) you're a villager and you... got it wrong then doubled down on it for some reason
Or (2) you're a wolf and I'm right
gonna go with (2), evidence to the contrary
So tom is scum because towntom wouldn't be wrong and would certainly realize he's wrong and would never double down because he would know he's wrong.
I'm feeling pretty comfortable with tom's case here.
Tom's case was built on things that are objectively false, and he twisted them into a narrative to build his case
I never tried to get Vaimes to attack Emiko, I specifically said Emiko wasn't wolfy
He never "called me out", he said it was a "lack of town points" and he supposedly interpreted that as something I would care about correcting and that would send me scrambling to justify a read I never even had
I'm done talking about this. He's either spectacularly wrong or a wolf.
True enough, KCC, I forgot you were already voting Vaimes.
I kind of think he's a villager, though. Could you walk me through the read like I've never played Mafia before? Or is it literally just, you think he was trying to avoid RVS?
@silvercrys3467 @Vaimes what do you think of the other person's alignment ?
I still have a slight town read on him because I don't think he'd jump into the game and poke the bear.
I did kind of think his poking was bait though.
and another one thats almost the same reason but makes it me specific. Yeah thatll look towny
I made this whole post and im not sure whether its a case or just fanfic of silvers internal dialogue if he is scum that doesnt prove anything.
Its technically believable that town silver thinks of himself as a bear and thinks scumvaimes would be scared of poking him. I dont personally believe that to be the case but thats not really relevant. But if silver believes it and townreads vaimes for it and is immediately more interested in...
Uh
Disagree with vaimes premise but still encourage him to go after emiko instead of him
Without having any questions for vaimes because hes town
...
vote silver
This is the case we're talking about, right?
He literally said I encouraged Vaimes to go after Emiko and was treating Vaimes like a villager because I didn't ask him questions and then scrambled to make up reasons to be town reading him because I felt "called out" by his post... that said I didn't get any town points.
That was it, that was the case. That was his reason for voting me.
Now, you don't know the context here, but I'm ~pretty familiar with Vaimes and tom both
And the fact that tom voted me because I wasn't trying to force an interaction with Vaimes on page 2 is not a real thought he had.
Vaimes doesn't respond to being grilled and I already knew why he thought it was TWTBAW -- he literally said it was rolefishing and I don't think debating Vaimes on whether it was really rolefishing or not would have led me anywhere because he would have just said Things He Thinks Are True as both alignments
So I voted him for his fake read. And that's apparently OMGUS now.
I'm not saying he should know I'm town.
I'm saying there is no way he actually believes what he said about me.
Now you can tell me I'm scum flailing because I proved you wrong or whatever, and then I can point you to several games where I flailed as town
But otherwise this is it. I've responded to the case and everything tom has said about it and he's just a wolf, not because he should know I'm a villager, but because there's no way he thought town!me wouldn't do that. I've done it literally to him in games before where I wouldn't read him or try to force interactions with him on D1 because it's basically pointless.
I don't believe that is a real read he had. I just don't.
Yes, town and scum can both flail, but I’m pointing out ways I think you’re scum-flailing.
Strawman isn’t exactly the right term. It’s not a full strawman because it is a relevant point you’re making, but the point does not have the weight you seem to think it does.
You keep returning exclusively to his original post and ignoring his elaboration on it. His case is not exclusively contained in the post where he dropped the vote on you, and I think you know that but are attacking a small flaw in his case rather than facing it in its entirety.
Additionally, your point about your read of vaimes assumes you didn’t think up a narrative of reading vaimes less strongly than Tom thought in order to protect yourself. It could be that you were happily vague enough originally to change your tune without being called on it. I think it’s more likely you’re honest here, and it’s just a weak piece of tom’s original case (explaining why you can safely fixate on it), but it’s still a possibility that makes your argument weaker.
Look at this chain of posts for me. I saw that you responded to silver about a couple of them, but I want you to talk to me about KK's defense of you here. Do you think he's being fair?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
i started out thinking silver was wrong and it was t v. t, but the posts I mentioned nagged at me, and I moved into the “I think this is malicious” camp.
I’m a little more confident that tom’s less than 75% he gave. I’d say 80
@tom This post possibly also relevent. Plz include
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@kj i dont really see kk defending me there at all? What hes pointing out about silver ignoring most of what I've said because he only knows how to respond to my initial vote not the rest is just objectively fact and doesnt really have anything to do with me id think.
@Tom
going back to an old post #194
don't believe that is a real read
and in response to #633, "Clearly town to me", does not help me at all
so no, I don't think so given how I still don't really like Vaimes, and given that there isn't a reason to town read you
this is fine for now, outside that micro read I dont actually recall any of his posts
Meg (2): Cantrip, KCC
Tom (2): kj, silver
KK (1): vezok
Silver (1): megs
Kj (1): Emiko
Not Voting (2): kk, rhand
Saying you're gonna fight me is the overreaction I meant.
I don't believe every claim I see, no.
But if he's lying then he has to be scum for Vezok to be scum. Which should either remove Vezok from your list or add LW to it.
@Wisp: what reaction are you talking about?
Yet another group of performers is climbing to the stage. You just watch them silently from the backstage, and think you still have a good chance of beating them all. Besides, they even interrupted the song for some weird sax solo...
Rhand (3): tomsloger, Vaimes, Lastwhisper
Megiddo (2): Cantripmancer, KittyCupCake
tomsloger (2): Killjoy, Silvercrys3467
KoolKoal (1): vezokpiraka
Silvercrys3467 (1): Megiddo
Killjoy (1): EmikoYuriemoto
Not Voting (2): KoolKoal, Rhand
V/LA: -
With 12 alive, it’s 7 to lynch. Deadline is on October 11th.
Well, shadow's vote makes much more sense now that he knew I was town. Makes much more sense to join a wagon you consider scummy with your confirmed town person.
So yeah last can be town for now.
There's something off about Rhand. He seems to be saying the right words, but his heart doesn't seem to be in it.
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is where I want to be right now.
Him pushing out that Vezok read without even taking that claim into account is just wrong.
Also, there seems to be no reason whatsoever for his vote on me. After the post where he said that, hardly anything happened between him and me.
The only thing really happening was tom voting me. I think he just sees me as the easy wagon now.
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Need to do some broad rereading today. All my scum reads amounted to, after stopping myself on silver, was vezok and rhand leaning scum. I’m not rushing Rhand to claim threshold with just that.
He is at L-2 and also in claim range.
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I think I’m pretty good at Getting There on you on Day 1s. And so far I haven’t. Possible omgus bias on my part, which will hopefully resolve itself if you're town.
Vaimes
[Last vezok]
tom Silver
Cantrip
Emiko KJ
KCC
meg Rhand KK
I don’t know how I feel about this.
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I like waking up to a flash wagon on a wolf read at L-2 with another pending vote on him and all but like
Wagon speed is sketchy as hell given most of the votes are almost naked and I feel like I'm the only one with any substantive thoughts on him besides Vaimes' recent stuff
No, one of your posts last night made me so I’m looking at you more critically than before. I don’t want to get into it now though. I’d rather not distract from rhand.
Ask me Tomorrow/when rhand wagon is resolved.
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This game seems to have very little chill, for what it's worth.
that one. Please substitute that in my last post.
*feels bad because he was part of the problem and lol’d anyway*
Especially Vaimes and tom should know better.
I originally didn't like his response to my claim, but that's weak, and on a macro level he hasn't done anything wolfy, and I've been witness to Rhand getting lynched for some bs stuff
Time to find the wolf that's voting him
It would be different if people had been side-eyeing him earlier but I can’t remember if anyone did.
And more importantly, what do you think about Vaimes' reaction?
If I do get lynched toDay, take a very hard look at KK toMorrow.
I'd expect town to like not just believe it or at least think about, idk
its not a strong read in the very least, and Im about 70% sure you just got spewed town by all these votes
who are the wolf(s) voting you?
but I also have read very little of their posts
in other news, it feels good to not be a wolf because now I don't have to top post to keep my meta
Other scumreads are rhand/megs/vez
Vez currently (fps?) townpeeked
Rhand more likely scum with you than megs is
(I assume you wanted why rhand over you if its just "why" its in my iso)
Based on just the votes, it can be anyone really.
Vaimes I am already scumreading and apart from that there is no reasoning given.
Which is bothersome: if I do get lynched, there are too many votes on me that don't give useful info.
I'm gonna continue my thread analysis when I can.
I don't just take your claim for granted. But Vaimes seemed to just dismiss it.
So yes I’m very skeptical of things and wine and gambits and whatever. Not really my problem though because I don’t have to NK people and see who’s bluffing.
I don’t know if Last is lying or gambiting but it’s certainly going to be cleared up before endgame so whatever. I certainly wasn’t going to accept it as reality when he casually brought it up, because if shadow was trying to be subtle about it then why reveal the check when vezok had one vote?
Oh.
I thought your vote was just to get him more involved here, and then realized it was pointless with him just being busy solving Modern
I've read all of their posts, and agree that's a good place to be
But I didn’t think there was much to solve there, all he had to do was read Axel’s posts.
Maybe. I just know if I was in lylo in one game and early day1 in another, they're getting like a 90/10 split of my attention, so I assumed it was that
Light +town there since being scum is a different headspace a bit but doesnt matter last is clearly town imo
I'm pretty sure Rhand is town. The way he's handling the game is very much in line with his town game. His wagon should be informative to dissect.
I think Last is lying about his claim, but I don't think he's scum for it. He's probably >rand town for his claim actually. He just got off a game where he lost a game by blowing his claim. He came into this game immediately claiming. It would be... pretty ballsy to risk fakeclaiming so immediately after Modern.
Actually, if shadow didn't get to pick his target, as was my role in Death in the Family... maybe it's real. I was gonna say that shadow 110% picks tom for an n0 peek but he may not have had a choice.
I feel like there was something else. I can't remember.
I'm town.
Wisp and Vezok are ~probably town? Even in the scenario where Wisp is a wolf I think Vezok probably is, at least, shadow set up the reveal pretty early on and it'd be kind of weird to lead with a gambit like that? There's a nonzero chance they're both wolves with tom, but that's a tinfoil at the moment.
Emiko is just, guileless, no agenda, doesn't seem to have partners. Playing her own tune rather than taking cues from someone else and it's a pretty villagery one.
Lastwhisper, vezokpiraka
EmikoYuriemoto
Vaimes is Vaimes. ( ) Jokes aside, this read is kind of a gimme/ask me later. His tone is townie, etc. and while I wouldn't lock him in for that, I kind of understand where his reads are coming from even though I don't really agree with some of them and I kiiiind of think if he's a wolf he doesn't go with the me and tom are t/t line as strongly as he did since it'd be pretty good for him to get either of us mislunched. Our PoEs are pretty similar, too, so if he's a wolf mine's probably completely wrong.
KCC is sort of the same? I've come around on her just being an aggressive villager, just the directions she's taking her reads and stuff feel fine.
Lastwhisper, vezokpiraka
EmikoYuriemoto
Vaimes, KittyCupCake
I guess Cantrip is a little north of true null, I have a really hard time reading him and just like. He sounds reasonable and villagery but that's not really AI for him. So this is "the town read I'm least confident in".
Killjoy goes slightly under null, his questions/prodding are going in kind of weird directions and stuff but, well, he's voting tom with me and it would've been real easy for him to just turn that line of questioning he started on me with into a vote so...?
Lastwhisper / vezokpiraka
EmikoYuriemoto
Vaimes, KittyCupCake
Cantripmancer
Killjoy
Rhand is a plausible tom partner for his handling of my wagon (looks like he was distancing from tom while putting pressure on KoolKoal and Megs) but the flash wagon skeeved me out pretty badly so... Wolf on him is, well, probably tom regardless of his alignment (tom was first vote, doubt he would have predicted Rhand would get run up that fast if they're partners).
KoolKoal and Megs are both plausible wolves if tom is town (lol) but probably not wolves together since they wagoned me in a weird way when my wagon was dying and they were tied for leading wagons. I guess one of them with tom isn't totally out of the question (probably Megs, I guess) but both would be pretty lol worthy.
Individually I don't really like KK's voting patterns or even most of his posts, though that could be a playstyle thing more than a wolf thing I guess. And megs has been really weirdly focused on me while mostly floating through the thread. If Rhand is a wolf I guess KK is more likely to be his partner over megs since Rhand said he left his vote on megs on purpose in that one post.
I've said enough about why I think tom's a wolf.
Silvercrys3467
Lastwhisper / vezokpiraka
EmikoYuriemoto
Vaimes, KittyCupCake
Cantripmancer
Killjoy
Rhand / KoolKoal / Megiddo
tomsloger
going back to an old post #194
don't believe that is a real read
and in response to #633, "Clearly town to me", does not help me at all
so no, I don't think so given how I still don't really like Vaimes, and given that there isn't a reason to town read you