Not sure I am going to have time to do a full re-read but I will say I think it is dangerous to rely too much on setup gaming like I see from a lot of you. "Well if this is that we lose anyway lol" is just such a trash level thinking process.
Okay, there's also the fact that Lasts post make little sense from a real Cop. Could you iso Last and answer the same questions as Vez? How does Last go from claiming in his 3rd post to suddenly trying to "guard info" D2, like he wasn't already claimed? How could a town cop possibly be paranoid about just confirming his claim? Why is he still very willing to accept that I'm town?
@cantrip
re: your standard pattern - If I take that into account I'd probably just make fun of you like I did with a guy I used to work with who used to come back from vacation and respond to emails going up chronologically. So he'd respond to the beginning of an email chain, then ten minutes later he'd respond to a later email in that same chain. Then ten minutes after that he'd finally happen upon the end of the email chain where the whole thing was resolved, and he'd realize that he'd wasted a lot of his time (as well as everybody else's).
The point being, just like that guy, you look very silly when you don't take a peek at things holistically before you start to respond.
Ok, so here's where your assessment goes completely off the rails. One of my biggest pet peeves is players catching up by quoting and responding to every post that catches their fancy as they come to them. Precisely for this reason: so many posts are created asking questions that have already been answered, pondering ideas that have already been debunked, etc. So when I do a wall catch-up, I *AM* taking the entirety of that catch-up into account. I almost always remove questions that I quote early on that are later answered before I post (sometimes leaving them in to clarify/highlight concerns, etc). So show me how I failed to read the room in 1299, please. Otherwise I'll assume you're baselessly smearing me.
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re: vig as information roles - Have you ever known a game mod to balance a vig as an information role? Do you do that? I haven't, and I'd be curious to know if this is speaking from experience. You're forgetting the aspect of a vig shot where the target is dead, so yes you may learn something important about them, but you can't very well take much advantage of knowing the alignment of a player who's actively posting in the game.
Yes, I've had game review discussions where vig has been talked about as an (ultimate) info role. Although I don't think I've ever reviewed a game or balanced a game with vig-as-info-role, I guess, so I cede that aspect.
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re: wisp claiming - I don't think anybody would suggest that 1-for-1ing with town power on Day One is a smart move. Maybe they would, who knows. so I agree with you that the "drawing out the cop" angle doesn't track too well. This, incidentally, is a major issue I have with the KCC scum world (1-v-1 town power, especially a virtual vanilla that's stronger dead than alive now, still a bad idea on D2). However, consider that we haven't just speedlynched Wisp yet. Keep that in mind. Who have been the real targets Today?
From what I recall, focus has been on Wisp and KCC with side orders of players suspecting but not really attacking you and Rhand. Why/how does us not having speedlunched Wisp impact the situation?
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re: The road less traveled - Default lynch kind of sucks. Luckily, we have Chris here so we don't have to do that anymore. While Chris is getting caught up, let's talk about Rhand for a second.
This is Vaimes's thoughts on Rhand from earlier today:
I don't think he's broken past his town range, I think a lot of the pressure on him Day 1 came from town, especially in the world where KCC is fakeclaiming. I struggle to come up with a logical scumteam that doesn't have him on it, though that heavily depends on whether the setup supports both Last and KCC. And I think his pushes have been shallow and half-assed.
Do you agree? Are there other things that would suggest he is scum?
I've been working on a Rhand iso, but haven't had as much time as I hoped to finish it.
waiting for another day end then ill figure this ***** out
Are you talking about a real life day to end, or D2 to end? If the latter, how's that going to work if you're lunched toDay?
Day ends tomorrow (24th), no specifics yet on time (but D1 ended at 8:59pm GMT).
I feel like your continued reluctance to suspect KCC feels like scum whose continued existence depends on the smokescreen uncertainty of two cops. What makes you think she could be town?
KCC, coming into D2 did you think I was town or scum? How/why has that changed over the course of the Day?
KCC, coming into D2 did you think I was town or scum? How/why has that changed over the course of the Day?
I've had a cautious town read on you. Right now, I'm not really thinking about you. You're in the far end of my POE pool, but not one of the first 3 I'd lynch, so I'm assuming the game will be over/I'll be dead before I need to worry about that
@Cantrip
I meant another day phase, honestly just ignore that anyways
Im gunna go through a few people, I remember that I liked the thought process for her emiko check even if the check itself was bad overall for everyone else, but like if shes not real, its a weird check unless they are both wolves, which I guess is possible
given that Emiko seemed to want to lynch me solely off my claim early on, which is probably because they realized they could take advantage of that, in that world KCC is probably a role cop
since I think we both handled our claims with unnecessary caution overall
I mean clearly I can complain about it now too. I thought I did a good job of that!
Anyway I am from a community where the entire days last 48 hours, so I don't accept being pigeon holed into this dynamic in any way.
I feel a little bad because Meg had a seemingly fair response to my probing earlier about his vote but I think KJ is highly likely to be town and although I haven't read much I know a bad strategy when I see one so let's PARADIGM SHIFT.
##vote: Meg
so you are voting Meg because Killjoy looks good, and you want to avoid the Cop Claims?
the "I feel bad" doesnt feel as ingenuous as it probably should
why has everyone been stingy with their votes, why did I sit at 2 votes for 4 days, and the vote count just changed?
KCC votes Megs
and Vaimes votes me
this is gunna be bad tomorrow once I flip town, and if KCC is town as well
I mean I get where Vaimes is coming from
but its not impossible
since I think we both handled our claims with unnecessary caution overall
Excuse me?
I wasn't throwing out a CC I was 95% sure would just be met with "Oh, haha, my claim wasn't serious."
Can you walk me through what you were being "cautious" about, considering you already claimed in your 3rd post?
I am talking about after your claim, I didn't expect a CC either...
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I'm still not sure I want to do this. I was really hoping you'd just walk back your claim, but with Tomorrow as potential Lylo, I don't think I have a choice here. -Either it's a scum Gambit (and I refuse to just hand you the game) or this game was designed to implode (and oh well then, not my fault).
Anyway, hi, Cop here, probably need to deal with this.
if you are real, and I am a wolf whats the problem? you claiming here means I probably get lynched and flip wolf? so I mean that's weird unless you know I I will flip town and that looks bad for you, or you do think we are both town, but thats a contradiction because you stated you don't believe that in the same post
and I like being around when I put important stuff in the thread because if stuff goes down while I am at work, it gives me anxiety and I have to reply
also @Cantrip
yes, I probably always lose this battle tomorrow if KCC flips town, and given that I am town, thats not good, so I want to be sure this is correct before I vote here
why has everyone been stingy with their votes, why did I sit at 2 votes for 4 days, and the vote count just changed?
Why have YOU been stingy with your vote? I know recently you haven't been able to read much, but you haven't voted at all D2, correct?
other than wanting to be sure of my vote on KCC, no reason
but thats also an odd counter-point to my question given that I dont recall any vote movement from anyone really other than Emiko/KCC, and what I saw on page 30
KCC, coming into D2 did you think I was town or scum? How/why has that changed over the course of the Day?
I've had a cautious town read on you. Right now, I'm not really thinking about you. You're in the far end of my POE pool, but not one of the first 3 I'd lynch, so I'm assuming the game will be over/I'll be dead before I need to worry about that
This...surprises me a little, but maybe I'm just being egocentric. I feel like I've flip-flopped several times between you and Wisp, even indicating at one point that you were more likely to be fakeclaiming between the two, and I gave Megiddo a town read based on the case he made on you. I was wondering if any of that had pushed you to think "Cantrip might be scum", but no so much?
@Cantrip
I meant another day phase, honestly just ignore that anyways
Im gunna go through a few people, I remember that I liked the thought process for her emiko check even if the check itself was bad overall for everyone else, but like if shes not real, its a weird check unless they are both wolves, which I guess is possible
given that Emiko seemed to want to lynch me solely off my claim early on, which is probably because they realized they could take advantage of that, in that world KCC is probably a role cop
since I think we both handled our claims with unnecessary caution overall
Your progression in this post feels like you're trying to justify coming around to suspecting KCC. You start off with one thing you remember liking about KCC, but immediately pivot to a hypothetical where KCC is scum, saying that it probably only happens if she's scum with Emiko, and then you highlight something that makes you think that KCC-Emiko world more likely, and then you finish with a generalization that looks like you're trying to put you and KCC in similar standing. (EWP: I see your response to KCC in 1508 which somewhat speaks to my last sentence here; I'll revisit this once KCC responds to you.)
So please confirm, even if you want to qualify that with "but I want to reread some people": At this point in time, do you think it more likely that you and KCC are both town, or do you think it more likely that KCC is scum?
RE: Vote movement - I was voting for you for a while before I switched to Emiko (and unvoted after that because you were already at 3 votes, I believe). Unless I'm mistaken, only you and KJ haven't voted for anyone toDay. Everyone else has had a vote placed at least once.
Your progression in this post feels like you're trying to justify coming around to suspecting KCC.
yes thats exactly what I am trying to do, but like not maliciously?
Its more likely that he is a wolf
vote: KCC
I need to place my vote at some point, also I have to head to work
be back later
I slept for 12 hours for no reason and didn't intend to do that.
I'm here now. KJ is right about Megs being scum is last and KCC are town, but how much do we want to bet on that? I still think we should lynch one of them today and my choice is KCC.
vote KCC
I think we have to get this game moving as deadline is tomorrow.
As far as I can tell, your sole reason for wanting to lunch KCC is because you think her check on Emiko was a bad choice. KCC has explained multiple times why she checked Emiko, but I haven't seen you consider or participate in any of those discussions, no re-evaluation, nothing else as to why KCC is scum OR why Wisp is town, and very little as far as reads on any other players. What do you think of KCC beyond her claimed check? How do you feel about Wisp's posts? Who is scum if KCC flips town?
I am talking about after your claim, I didn't expect a CC either...
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I'm still not sure I want to do this. I was really hoping you'd just walk back your claim, but with Tomorrow as potential Lylo, I don't think I have a choice here. -Either it's a scum Gambit (and I refuse to just hand you the game) or this game was designed to implode (and oh well then, not my fault).
Anyway, hi, Cop here, probably need to deal with this.
if you are real, and I am a wolf whats the problem? you claiming here means I probably get lynched and flip wolf?
I came into the Day expecting/hoping to make it through without needing to claim, since my check gets much stronger the longer I can hold it. At that point, I was still debating if I could go hunt other scum and come back to you later, but I decided that didn't seem safe. You maybe being town was not the issue there
Can you explain why you came into Today refusing to claim, after you readily claimed already D1?
@Cantrip
I meant another day phase, honestly just ignore that anyways
Im gunna go through a few people, I remember that I liked the thought process for her emiko check even if the check itself was bad overall for everyone else, but like if shes not real, its a weird check unless they are both wolves, which I guess is possible
given that Emiko seemed to want to lynch me solely off my claim early on, which is probably because they realized they could take advantage of that, in that world KCC is probably a role cop
since I think we both handled our claims with unnecessary caution overall
the second time i read this post it was in the style of the real slim shady .
I mean clearly I can complain about it now too. I thought I did a good job of that!
Anyway I am from a community where the entire days last 48 hours, so I don't accept being pigeon holed into this dynamic in any way.
I feel a little bad because Meg had a seemingly fair response to my probing earlier about his vote but I think KJ is highly likely to be town and although I haven't read much I know a bad strategy when I see one so let's PARADIGM SHIFT.
##vote: Meg
so you are voting Meg because Killjoy looks good, and you want to avoid the Cop Claims?
the "I feel bad" doesnt feel as ingenuous as it probably should
why has everyone been stingy with their votes, why did I sit at 2 votes for 4 days, and the vote count just changed?
KCC votes Megs
and Vaimes votes me
this is gunna be bad tomorrow once I flip town, and if KCC is town as well
I mean I get where Vaimes is coming from
but its not impossible
Can you remind me where you are voting?
I am not voting anyone yet, why?
You accused other people of being stingy with their vote but you didn't place your own vote. That cognitive dissonance isn't a great look.
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@cantripmancer : do you also think that last is throwing shadows ?
i do not believe he is a seraphim .
he looks like wolf .
maybe sir chris is his buddy?
Explain your thought process in regards to me, please.
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@cantripmancer : do you also think that last is throwing shadows ?
i do not believe he is a seraphim .
he looks like wolf .
maybe sir chris is his buddy?
I'm definitely feeling more confident that Wisp is mafia. By "seraphim" do you just mean you don't think he's innocent/town? As for Chris...sorta hard to tell. Part of me thinks he could be because of his seeming lack of any significant reading, but...replacing in and having <72 hours to digest 1500 posts is rough. So I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for now.
What specifically makes you think they're buddies?
Also, a throwback: why play games with Vaimes rather than just saying you think he's town?
This...surprises me a little, but maybe I'm just being egocentric. I feel like I've flip-flopped several times between you and Wisp, even indicating at one point that you were more likely to be fakeclaiming between the two, and I gave Megiddo a town read based on the case he made on you. I was wondering if any of that had pushed you to think "Cantrip might be scum", but no so much?
Why? I know you respect my scum game. I'd be far more worried if you weren't trying to solve or considering those possibilities. The one time Today scumCantrip did actively cross my mind was your brief Emi push.
@cantripmancer : do you also think that last is throwing shadows ?
i do not believe he is a seraphim .
he looks like wolf .
maybe sir chris is his buddy?
I'm definitely feeling more confident that Wisp is mafia. By "seraphim" do you just mean you don't think he's innocent/town? As for Chris...sorta hard to tell. Part of me thinks he could be because of his seeming lack of any significant reading, but...replacing in and having <72 hours to digest 1500 posts is rough. So I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for now.
What specifically makes you think they're buddies?
Also, a throwback: why play games with Vaimes rather than just saying you think he's town?
ehh
what's up i mentioned but 1500 appears fake and i think wisp definitely did not sort rhand .
doc . serafim means town doctor or town cop , sorry .
I may be misreading the room, but I feel like Wisp definitely has support for being the lunch, and both Megiddo and KCC might have support for being the lunch.
Wisp feels like he's avoiding the thread (but real life I get it), so if he's not going to respond to some of the questions he hasn't answered yet/make a push against KCC/someone else, it's up to people who DON'T want to lunch Wisp/strongly want to lunch someone else to sway the thread. I'm perfectly content with lunching Wisp, especially if he doesn't post with some time before deadline for discussion. So people get in here and post!
KCC, say Wisp flips town. Who's most likely scum?
Emiko, Same question as above. Also, you didn't answer why you're playing games rather than directly communicating?
Vaimes, were you really that confused by Emiko's "scavenger hunt"? I felt like he was pretty obviously towning you, I just couldn't figure out why he was going about it that way. Also, you said you liked Chris's entrance; what are your thoughts on his posts since then?
Vez, if Wisp flips scum, who's scum?
Killjoy, chime in? I know it's only been about 24 hours since you last posted, but...deadline.
Megiddo, you've been gone almost 48 hours; if you're town, I'd definitely appreciate your input.
Chris, how much/what parts of the game have you actually read?
I mean, the team is almost certainly you/meg/Chris in that world, but I wouldn't even fight my Lynch Tomorrow. I don't think winning this one game would be worth encouraging bad play
Oh, one important thing before I get NKed: please don't auto clear Vez. Last/meg/Vez is a very viable team here. If any of them are town, my guess atm is Chris, but that'll be easier to judge once that slot has some actual posts to look st
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
...and this time, apparently the green room without booze was enough to anger some people, and now the stuff is trying to cool people down before the whole backstage turns into one big bar fight.
Lastwhisper (3): EmikoYuriemoto, KittyCupCake, Vaimes
Megiddo (2): Killjoy, Sir Chris
KittyCupCake (2): vezokpiraka, Lastwhisper
Not Voting (2): Megiddo, Cantripmancer
V/LA: -
With 9 alive, it’s 5 to lynch. Deadline is on October 24th, 8.59 PM GMT. (~5h 15min from this post!)
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I mean, the team is almost certainly you/meg/Chris in that world, but I wouldn't even fight my Lynch Tomorrow. I don't think winning this one game would be worth encouraging bad play
I'm almost certainly coming after you toMorrow if Wisp flips town, but I'll definitely set aside this possible rule-of-three for later scrutiny.
Oh, one important thing before I get NKed: please don't auto clear Vez. Last/meg/Vez is a very viable team here. If any of them are town, my guess atm is Chris, but that'll be easier to judge once that slot has some actual posts to look st
If Wisp flips scum, your NK does seem a foregone conclusion. I still think it's pretty unlikely that Vez is scum regardless of Wisp's alignment, but I won't just auto-exclude him.
And if Meg did flip town, Tomorrow becomes a nightmare
EWP: Oh, you're now voting Wisp.
Vez, I agree that I've been wishy washy, but I've definitely indicated that I find Wisp townish by how/when he claimed but scummy behaviorally. Any particular reason that you are talking to me about me in the third person? How do you feel about Wisp outside of his claimed results on you?
@Cantrip: I don't recall it being KCC's theory? Can you quote that for me?
But I was thinking about that. That's why I'm budging on meg right now: with the worst luck ever, the claims make the game almost impossible for scum. If the cop clears a mislynch, and the vig shoots one (which is what happened) then with Last clearing a third, there's almost no room for scum to win. They can't all be real.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Cantrip: I don't recall it being KCC's theory? Can you quote that for me?
But I was thinking about that. That's why I'm budging on meg right now: with the worst luck ever, the claims make the game almost impossible for scum. If the cop clears a mislynch, and the vig shoots one (which is what happened) then with Last clearing a third, there's almost no room for scum to win. They can't all be real.
I think the first mention of it was 1268, but Vaimes was the one who spelled it out in 1474.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Vaimes, were you really that confused by Emiko's "scavenger hunt"? I felt like he was pretty obviously towning you, I just couldn't figure out why he was going about it that way. Also, you said you liked Chris's entrance; what are your thoughts on his posts since then?
Uhhh, if that's literally all then I, too, have no idea what the games had to do with it. I thought there was something more to what she was doing?
Nothing special re: Chris.
And I think you also asked why I thought Emiko was soft-CC'ing. People who explicitly doubt/push PR claims sometimes come from the real PR trying not to hardclaim.
Aww, c'mon Vaimes. You know forbidden hammers taste even better than curiosity hammers!
All the people who are posting are the ones I feel are likely town... Where's Wisp??
I'm hoping he's scum and knows he's screwed vOv
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I mostly just wanted to say I think Cantrip is really, really town. And anyone pushing a team with him (or me!) on it is gonna have to fight me. For real.
So...are the scum waiting on tenterhooks for me to hammer town!Wisp, or have they just written him off as a lost cause this game and don't want to be associated with pushing a counterwagon?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I was talking to Vez. I've already heard your explanations
Okay, there's also the fact that Lasts post make little sense from a real Cop. Could you iso Last and answer the same questions as Vez? How does Last go from claiming in his 3rd post to suddenly trying to "guard info" D2, like he wasn't already claimed? How could a town cop possibly be paranoid about just confirming his claim? Why is he still very willing to accept that I'm town?
Yes, I've had game review discussions where vig has been talked about as an (ultimate) info role. Although I don't think I've ever reviewed a game or balanced a game with vig-as-info-role, I guess, so I cede that aspect.
From what I recall, focus has been on Wisp and KCC with side orders of players suspecting but not really attacking you and Rhand. Why/how does us not having speedlunched Wisp impact the situation?
I've been working on a Rhand iso, but haven't had as much time as I hoped to finish it.
Are you talking about a real life day to end, or D2 to end? If the latter, how's that going to work if you're lunched toDay?
Day ends tomorrow (24th), no specifics yet on time (but D1 ended at 8:59pm GMT).
I feel like your continued reluctance to suspect KCC feels like scum whose continued existence depends on the smokescreen uncertainty of two cops. What makes you think she could be town?
KCC, coming into D2 did you think I was town or scum? How/why has that changed over the course of the Day?
I've had a cautious town read on you. Right now, I'm not really thinking about you. You're in the far end of my POE pool, but not one of the first 3 I'd lynch, so I'm assuming the game will be over/I'll be dead before I need to worry about that
I meant another day phase, honestly just ignore that anyways
Im gunna go through a few people, I remember that I liked the thought process for her emiko check even if the check itself was bad overall for everyone else, but like if shes not real, its a weird check unless they are both wolves, which I guess is possible
given that Emiko seemed to want to lynch me solely off my claim early on, which is probably because they realized they could take advantage of that, in that world KCC is probably a role cop
since I think we both handled our claims with unnecessary caution overall
Excuse me?
I wasn't throwing out a CC I was 95% sure would just be met with "Oh, haha, my claim wasn't serious."
Can you walk me through what you were being "cautious" about, considering you already claimed in your 3rd post?
so you are voting Meg because Killjoy looks good, and you want to avoid the Cop Claims?
the "I feel bad" doesnt feel as ingenuous as it probably should
I am not voting anyone yet, why?
I am talking about after your claim, I didn't expect a CC either...
this post:
I'm still not sure I want to do this. I was really hoping you'd just walk back your claim, but with Tomorrow as potential Lylo, I don't think I have a choice here. -Either it's a scum Gambit (and I refuse to just hand you the game) or this game was designed to implode (and oh well then, not my fault).
Anyway, hi, Cop here, probably need to deal with this.
if you are real, and I am a wolf whats the problem? you claiming here means I probably get lynched and flip wolf? so I mean that's weird unless you know I I will flip town and that looks bad for you, or you do think we are both town, but thats a contradiction because you stated you don't believe that in the same post
and I like being around when I put important stuff in the thread because if stuff goes down while I am at work, it gives me anxiety and I have to reply
also @Cantrip
yes, I probably always lose this battle tomorrow if KCC flips town, and given that I am town, thats not good, so I want to be sure this is correct before I vote here
can anyone tldr why 3 people are voting Meg?
but thats also an odd counter-point to my question given that I dont recall any vote movement from anyone really other than Emiko/KCC, and what I saw on page 30
Your progression in this post feels like you're trying to justify coming around to suspecting KCC. You start off with one thing you remember liking about KCC, but immediately pivot to a hypothetical where KCC is scum, saying that it probably only happens if she's scum with Emiko, and then you highlight something that makes you think that KCC-Emiko world more likely, and then you finish with a generalization that looks like you're trying to put you and KCC in similar standing. (EWP: I see your response to KCC in 1508 which somewhat speaks to my last sentence here; I'll revisit this once KCC responds to you.)
So please confirm, even if you want to qualify that with "but I want to reread some people": At this point in time, do you think it more likely that you and KCC are both town, or do you think it more likely that KCC is scum?
RE: Vote movement - I was voting for you for a while before I switched to Emiko (and unvoted after that because you were already at 3 votes, I believe). Unless I'm mistaken, only you and KJ haven't voted for anyone toDay. Everyone else has had a vote placed at least once.
yes thats exactly what I am trying to do, but like not maliciously?
Its more likely that he is a wolf
vote: KCC
I need to place my vote at some point, also I have to head to work
be back later
okay i misread . reread of 1453 makes that look better .
Anything?
I came into the Day expecting/hoping to make it through without needing to claim, since my check gets much stronger the longer I can hold it. At that point, I was still debating if I could go hunt other scum and come back to you later, but I decided that didn't seem safe. You maybe being town was not the issue there
Can you explain why you came into Today refusing to claim, after you readily claimed already D1?
the second time i read this post it was in the style of the real slim shady .
i do not believe he is a seraphim .
he looks like wolf .
maybe sir chris is his buddy?
You accused other people of being stingy with their vote but you didn't place your own vote. That cognitive dissonance isn't a great look.
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Explain your thought process in regards to me, please.
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
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2015 - Best Overall Player
I'm definitely feeling more confident that Wisp is mafia. By "seraphim" do you just mean you don't think he's innocent/town? As for Chris...sorta hard to tell. Part of me thinks he could be because of his seeming lack of any significant reading, but...replacing in and having <72 hours to digest 1500 posts is rough. So I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for now.
What specifically makes you think they're buddies?
Also, a throwback: why play games with Vaimes rather than just saying you think he's town?
I will do a vote count in the morning.
your entrance appears weak . 1500 looks like it may be theatre .
ehh
what's up i mentioned but 1500 appears fake and i think wisp definitely did not sort rhand .
doc . serafim means town doctor or town cop , sorry .
shadow i meant shade .
your also getting games . not just vaimes .
game focus i think you two are town .
I may be misreading the room, but I feel like Wisp definitely has support for being the lunch, and both Megiddo and KCC might have support for being the lunch.
Wisp feels like he's avoiding the thread (but real life I get it), so if he's not going to respond to some of the questions he hasn't answered yet/make a push against KCC/someone else, it's up to people who DON'T want to lunch Wisp/strongly want to lunch someone else to sway the thread. I'm perfectly content with lunching Wisp, especially if he doesn't post with some time before deadline for discussion. So people get in here and post!
KCC, say Wisp flips town. Who's most likely scum?
Emiko, Same question as above. Also, you didn't answer why you're playing games rather than directly communicating?
Vaimes, were you really that confused by Emiko's "scavenger hunt"? I felt like he was pretty obviously towning you, I just couldn't figure out why he was going about it that way. Also, you said you liked Chris's entrance; what are your thoughts on his posts since then?
Vez, if Wisp flips scum, who's scum?
Killjoy, chime in? I know it's only been about 24 hours since you last posted, but...deadline.
Megiddo, you've been gone almost 48 hours; if you're town, I'd definitely appreciate your input.
Chris, how much/what parts of the game have you actually read?
Me?
I mean, the team is almost certainly you/meg/Chris in that world, but I wouldn't even fight my Lynch Tomorrow. I don't think winning this one game would be worth encouraging bad play
I'm willing to lynch Wisp as well but would prefer meg by a mile today.
...and this time, apparently the green room without booze was enough to anger some people, and now the stuff is trying to cool people down before the whole backstage turns into one big bar fight.
Lastwhisper (3): EmikoYuriemoto, KittyCupCake, Vaimes
Megiddo (2): Killjoy, Sir Chris
KittyCupCake (2): vezokpiraka, Lastwhisper
Not Voting (2): Megiddo, Cantripmancer
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With 9 alive, it’s 5 to lynch. Deadline is on October 24th, 8.59 PM GMT. (~5h 15min from this post!)
Meg is probably scum
Last definitely is
And if Meg did flip town, Tomorrow becomes a nightmare
Unvote, Vote Lastwhisper
I feel like these people have been the most whishy washy here and all of them expressed doubts on KCC and had LW as more town than not.
I'd also look at Sir Chris more, but that's regardless of what LW flips.
If LW flips town though I'm turbo lynching KCC and looking at killjoy, and emiko.
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I'm at about 50% KCC scum, 45% both town and 5% Wisp scum.
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If Wisp flips scum, your NK does seem a foregone conclusion. I still think it's pretty unlikely that Vez is scum regardless of Wisp's alignment, but I won't just auto-exclude him.
What do you think of KCC's setup calculations pointing to potentially 5 cleared town by D2 if both cop claims are true? And I was going to say:
EWP: Oh, you're now voting Wisp.
Vez, I agree that I've been wishy washy, but I've definitely indicated that I find Wisp townish by how/when he claimed but scummy behaviorally. Any particular reason that you are talking to me about me in the third person? How do you feel about Wisp outside of his claimed results on you?
But I was thinking about that. That's why I'm budging on meg right now: with the worst luck ever, the claims make the game almost impossible for scum. If the cop clears a mislynch, and the vig shoots one (which is what happened) then with Last clearing a third, there's almost no room for scum to win. They can't all be real.
Vaimes, I meant to ask: why did you think Emiko was soft-CC'ing Wisp during D1?
I will definitely be here through the deadline (in four hours), so will certainly hammer as long as no one on Wisp jumps ship.
And in aT work so I can't spend to much more time. Maybe in break.
Hopefully I find it before night.
All the people who are posting are the ones I feel are likely town... Where's Wisp??
Nothing special re: Chris.
And I think you also asked why I thought Emiko was soft-CC'ing. People who explicitly doubt/push PR claims sometimes come from the real PR trying not to hardclaim.
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I mostly just wanted to say I think Cantrip is really, really town. And anyone pushing a team with him (or me!) on it is gonna have to fight me. For real.
So...I can hammer now?
j/k, we've still got a little time... (just about 1.5 hours, folks!)
I'll try to find it over night and hope I'm alive enough to post it.
Scum very likely just all in [Cantrip, Last, Meg, Vaimes, with Chris a distant 5th]