Megs is definitely in his town range and hes certainly capable of being better than this as either alignment if he wants to
But it doesnt look like he wants to be interacted with or make an impact here, more like just monologueing.
I'm not going to push myself to do anything more this game, I don't need to
I'm not dropping Rhand, but I don't think he's done enough for his train to have gone that high that fast, regardless of what I may or may not think of the people on the train
@emiko
Yes he did, but that's not me
Also I'm not getting lynched, and even if my train manages to somehow get high, there is absolutely nothing you can push but assumptions.
Hey all, I got a second job, and I dunno how well I'm gonna be able to doublefist things and play mafia. Stay tuned for possible replacement if game starts to move too quickly.
I'm not going to push myself to do anything more this game, I don't need to
I'm not dropping Rhand, but I don't think he's done enough for his train to have gone that high that fast, regardless of what I may or may not think of the people on the train
@emiko
Yes he did, but that's not me
Also I'm not getting lynched, and even if my train manages to somehow get high, there is absolutely nothing you can push but assumptions.
Saying things like this is what plummeted you to near the bottom of my readslist last game.
I am not baiting you, I am letting you know that I find the particular mindset behind that post scummy.
ok and I'm telling you it's NAI, you saw me do it as a wolf last game, but I've done it in pretty much everything single game I've played in where I got wagon'd for non-sense or called out for bad reasoning
I think when Rhand gets pushed on early, it's usually because scum want an easy lunch. I have defended him several times in the past mostly due to that, rather than thinking Rhand's content was towny.
But if I'm townreading all/most of the people on the wagon, then it's possible that he actually is scum here, no? The speed of the wagon is mostly irrelevant.
Think Vaimes' point is that Rhand's activity is spotty so pushing him is "easy"
I don't think the speed of the wagon is irrelevant, though. A lot of people just kind of hopped on; I guess the only real possibilities for wolves are tom/megs and while megs' vote is pretty bad if that was supposed to be a bus, tom's isn't, he naked voted but he was first on and couldn't have known how many votes would pop up.
So like, yeah. Really depends on what you think of megs/tom. If you think megs is a wolf and tom is town, don't think rhand makes sense as a wolf. Other way around, though...
Ah yes the old "its a naked vote" if reasoning is anywhere except the same post as a vote
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I guess his activity is a point. I remember he said something about me amd vaimes "should know better" because cruise but its... pretty eh its not like anyone was gonna maj him before he got back.
Idk i always kill him the first night or two when im scum
It seems like whenever we've been town together, he would get pushed for bad reasons. In my brainspace of how I sort mafia players, he's close to KJ in that he's potentially lunchbait but usually shines later in the game.
I'm not going to push myself to do anything more this game, I don't need to
I'm not dropping Rhand, but I don't think he's done enough for his train to have gone that high that fast, regardless of what I may or may not think of the people on the train
@emiko
Yes he did, but that's not me
Also I'm not getting lynched, and even if my train manages to somehow get high, there is absolutely nothing you can push but assumptions.
i do not understand why you think that this post is a good idea as villager or wolf .
Think Vaimes' point is that Rhand's activity is spotty so pushing him is "easy"
I don't think the speed of the wagon is irrelevant, though. A lot of people just kind of hopped on; I guess the only real possibilities for wolves are tom/megs and while megs' vote is pretty bad if that was supposed to be a bus, tom's isn't, he naked voted but he was first on and couldn't have known how many votes would pop up.
So like, yeah. Really depends on what you think of megs/tom. If you think megs is a wolf and tom is town, don't think rhand makes sense as a wolf. Other way around, though...
It's irrelevant insofar as several town voting in a row doesn't bother me at all. Even Megs being a wolf doesn't change that, really.
Ah yes the old "its a naked vote" if reasoning is anywhere except the same post as a vote
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I guess his activity is a point. I remember he said something about me amd vaimes "should know better" because cruise but its... pretty eh its not like anyone was gonna maj him before he got back.
Nothing to do with it being "not in the same post" and everything to do with it either not existing or being something mentioned in passing so I don't remember it.
Think Vaimes' point is that Rhand's activity is spotty so pushing him is "easy"
I don't think the speed of the wagon is irrelevant, though. A lot of people just kind of hopped on; I guess the only real possibilities for wolves are tom/megs and while megs' vote is pretty bad if that was supposed to be a bus, tom's isn't, he naked voted but he was first on and couldn't have known how many votes would pop up.
So like, yeah. Really depends on what you think of megs/tom. If you think megs is a wolf and tom is town, don't think rhand makes sense as a wolf. Other way around, though...
It's irrelevant insofar as several town voting in a row doesn't bother me at all. Even Megs being a wolf doesn't change that, really.
Dunno, him hopping on with barely a justification is kind of ??? if Rhand is his partner, it's not worth any town cred (except for the, like, level 2 town cred I am currently assigning him for doing it I guess).
Would have thought youd have at least read my posts about rhand if thats your thing.
Why do you think scumtom wouldnt have known rhand would get votes? Towntom certainly did, and scumtom is apparently someone whos going to mislynch a cop
Anyway thats a pretty reachy connection. Which is fine youre doing anything you can to call me scum im doing it too.
Good luck
Okay, I guess that's kind of not true. Could see you interpreting the whole "wagon speed is sketchy" as a some kind of weird town read. If I squint.
Thing is I think he's a wolf, just the wagon speed is really weird if there are no wolves on him and it's ~pretty much just you or Megs. Which, you using this as an excuse to flip to Megs is hilarious by the way.
Would have thought youd have at least read my posts about rhand if thats your thing.
Why do you think scumtom wouldnt have known rhand would get votes? Towntom certainly did, and scumtom is apparently someone whos going to mislynch a cop
Anyway thats a pretty reachy connection. Which is fine youre doing anything you can to call me scum im doing it too.
Good luck
That's not the only connection lol
Remember when he was all "Silver's town and tom might be a wolf but I think the actual wolf is KoolKoal"?
I mean i would call his reaction to us scummy regardless of both our alignments. I dont really think he read the back and forth and made decisions about both of us basically entirely by meta not anything from this game
Caught up bit skimmed parts of tom vs silver.
If there is scum in tom/silver, it’s tom. Scum!silver wouldn’t draw all that attention to himself and would have dropped it when there was no support coming, while scum!tom has the confidence to push a mislynch like this and get away with it afterwards.
yeah this is someone that read just enough to learn that tom and silver are fighting and gave an opinion on each. How hard could it be hes played with both of us <attach generic sentences>
kk was my top town before i started focusing on you and lets just say events since have not changed that
Rhand looks like he gave thoughts on our fight having obly been given cliff notes on it not reading the posts
So I went back to see these "thoughts on Rhand" I should have been reading and this is all I could find other than like, speculation that he's my partner without much substantive reasoning behind it.
and it's like 250 posts ago (and I had to specifically ask for it otherwise I doubt this post would even exist) (#459 for reference)
I dunno don't really feel like... maybe it's not "technically" naked since "the scum read existed prior to the vote" but I don't really think it's an unfair characterization
Caught up bit skimmed parts of tom vs silver.
If there is scum in tom/silver, it’s tom. Scum!silver wouldn’t draw all that attention to himself and would have dropped it when there was no support coming, while scum!tom has the confidence to push a mislynch like this and get away with it afterwards.
yeah this is someone that read just enough to learn that tom and silver are fighting and gave an opinion on each. How hard could it be hes played with both of us <attach generic sentences>
Would have thought youd have at least read my posts about rhand if thats your thing.
Why do you think scumtom wouldnt have known rhand would get votes? Towntom certainly did, and scumtom is apparently someone whos going to mislynch a cop
Anyway thats a pretty reachy connection. Which is fine youre doing anything you can to call me scum im doing it too.
Good luck
Wait....
Do you think I think Wisp is a full cop with a n0 check?
Actually, better question, do you think Wisp is claiming full cop with a n0 check?
Caught up bit skimmed parts of tom vs silver.
If there is scum in tom/silver, it’s tom. Scum!silver wouldn’t draw all that attention to himself and would have dropped it when there was no support coming, while scum!tom has the confidence to push a mislynch like this and get away with it afterwards.
yeah this is someone that read just enough to learn that tom and silver are fighting and gave an opinion on each. How hard could it be hes played with both of us <attach generic sentences>
You’re voting me for what now? Using meta?
for using lazy meta that has nothing to do with the posts in this game
Would have thought youd have at least read my posts about rhand if thats your thing.
Why do you think scumtom wouldnt have known rhand would get votes? Towntom certainly did, and scumtom is apparently someone whos going to mislynch a cop
Anyway thats a pretty reachy connection. Which is fine youre doing anything you can to call me scum im doing it too.
Good luck
Wait....
Do you think I think Wisp is a full cop with a n0 check?
Actually, better question, do you think Wisp is claiming full cop with a n0 check?
more just discrediting you for the incredibly stupid "toms keeping mislynches open" line
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
If megs is scum, tom quick vote shift from megs to rhand there is something to keep in mind.
*from Rhand to Megs to Rhand
So Rhand is almost definitely stalling his play at this point. He’s able to show up to throw shade at Tom, but no progress on his reread apparently.
With the game stalling out, and so many people pretending they can get a lot of info on his fast wagon without seeing any results from the wagon, I’m not letting him sit until the deadline ptaping. Let’s get a claim.
vote Rhand
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If megs is scum, tom quick vote shift from megs to rhand there is something to keep in mind.
*from Rhand to Megs to Rhand
So Rhand is almost definitely stalling his play at this point. He’s able to show up to throw shade at Tom, but no progress on his reread apparently.
With the game stalling out, and so many people pretending they can get a lot of info on his fast wagon without seeing any results from the wagon, I’m not letting him sit until the deadline ptaping. Let’s get a claim.
vote Rhand
Are you just openwolfing by this point? Rhand has repeatedly said that he will be low activity for at least day 1 due to being on a new cruise. A reread requires much more than just popping in to throw shade at tom. Calling it stalling is absolutely absurd.
This post just feels like it's coming from disgruntled scum who doesn't want to see a mislynch slip away.
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Rhand is v/la for literally this entire Day. He is posting less now that he’s top wagon
He had a reread going, which he restarted apparently when people started voting him, and only got to page 4 somehow after staying relatively up to speed earlier in the game.
Now he posts only to attack his voters when he sees an opportunity.
Nice job deciding what my post reads like without considering the fact that we have a deadline in 4/5 days and nothing is happening so I don’t want to sit around waiting for something to happen until we run out of time. I want us to actually get info so we can make an informed lynch.
What do you want?
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Rhand is v/la for literally this entire Day. He is posting less now that he’s top wagon
He had a reread going, which he restarted apparently when people started voting him, and only got to page 4 somehow after staying relatively up to speed earlier in the game.
Now he posts only to attack his voters when he sees an opportunity.
Nice job deciding what my post reads like without considering the fact that we have a deadline in 4/5 days and nothing is happening so I don’t want to sit around waiting for something to happen until we run out of time. I want us to actually get info so we can make an informed lynch.
What do you want?
Activity really isn't AI for Rhand. He works a cruise ship (as a host, I think?) So he's always running around doing everything for most likely more than your bog standard eight hour day. Internet probably isn't that great. A whole ordeal.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I think the claim is real = I think you're trying to keep lunches open?
Vaimes/emiko/last
kcc/kj/kk
cantrip
Vez
meg/rhand
silver
Kk had to go at the end of the green tier lol
Like
Im super charming i could totally pull it off.
There's also like 8 or 9 people scumreading Meg, but he's holding at 3 votes, which is a great sign
But it doesnt look like he wants to be interacted with or make an impact here, more like just monologueing.
I think ill be 6th vote on him in 2 or 3 days
i looked at recent games on mafia coliseum .
a player named marluxion fake claimed a cop and a watcher as a wolf in two of their games most recent .
i did not check games that were ongoing or games that were older .
it does not appear to be a common role there or here .
vote : lastwhisper
i think silver is posting without worrying much about reads on him .
tom only motive appears to be having fun . he is also not worrying much about reads on him .
koolkoal posts about silver starting with post 439 appear to be real thought and irritation .
I'm not dropping Rhand, but I don't think he's done enough for his train to have gone that high that fast, regardless of what I may or may not think of the people on the train
@emiko
Yes he did, but that's not me
Also I'm not getting lynched, and even if my train manages to somehow get high, there is absolutely nothing you can push but assumptions.
I think when Rhand gets pushed on early, it's usually because scum want an easy lunch. I have defended him several times in the past mostly due to that, rather than thinking Rhand's content was towny.
But if I'm townreading all/most of the people on the wagon, then it's possible that he actually is scum here, no? The speed of the wagon is mostly irrelevant.
Idk i always kill him the first night or two when im scum
I don't think the speed of the wagon is irrelevant, though. A lot of people just kind of hopped on; I guess the only real possibilities for wolves are tom/megs and while megs' vote is pretty bad if that was supposed to be a bus, tom's isn't, he naked voted but he was first on and couldn't have known how many votes would pop up.
So like, yeah. Really depends on what you think of megs/tom. If you think megs is a wolf and tom is town, don't think rhand makes sense as a wolf. Other way around, though...
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I guess his activity is a point. I remember he said something about me amd vaimes "should know better" because cruise but its... pretty eh its not like anyone was gonna maj him before he got back.
my only connection to mafia coliseum is that i know silverkeith .
i do not understand why you think that this post is a good idea as villager or wolf .
vote megs
???
Have no idea why you think I'm giving Megs towncred without scumreading Rhand.
Would have thought youd have at least read my posts about rhand if thats your thing.
Why do you think scumtom wouldnt have known rhand would get votes? Towntom certainly did, and scumtom is apparently someone whos going to mislynch a cop
Anyway thats a pretty reachy connection. Which is fine youre doing anything you can to call me scum im doing it too.
Good luck
Thing is I think he's a wolf, just the wagon speed is really weird if there are no wolves on him and it's ~pretty much just you or Megs. Which, you using this as an excuse to flip to Megs is hilarious by the way.
Remember when he was all "Silver's town and tom might be a wolf but I think the actual wolf is KoolKoal"?
Super good position to distance from you
vote rhand
and it's like 250 posts ago (and I had to specifically ask for it otherwise I doubt this post would even exist) (#459 for reference)
I dunno don't really feel like... maybe it's not "technically" naked since "the scum read existed prior to the vote" but I don't really think it's an unfair characterization
But what do I know?
You’re voting me for what now? Using meta?
Do you think I think Wisp is a full cop with a n0 check?
Actually, better question, do you think Wisp is claiming full cop with a n0 check?
If megs is scum, tom quick vote shift from megs to rhand there is something to keep in mind.
tom/megs/???
Emiko: I agree with some of that. How do you distinguish between townie frustration and scum frustration with regards to Koolkoal?
I dont know how else to respond to that except dismiss you
So Rhand is almost definitely stalling his play at this point. He’s able to show up to throw shade at Tom, but no progress on his reread apparently.
With the game stalling out, and so many people pretending they can get a lot of info on his fast wagon without seeing any results from the wagon, I’m not letting him sit until the deadline ptaping. Let’s get a claim.
vote Rhand
Are you just openwolfing by this point? Rhand has repeatedly said that he will be low activity for at least day 1 due to being on a new cruise. A reread requires much more than just popping in to throw shade at tom. Calling it stalling is absolutely absurd.
This post just feels like it's coming from disgruntled scum who doesn't want to see a mislynch slip away.
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He had a reread going, which he restarted apparently when people started voting him, and only got to page 4 somehow after staying relatively up to speed earlier in the game.
Now he posts only to attack his voters when he sees an opportunity.
Nice job deciding what my post reads like without considering the fact that we have a deadline in 4/5 days and nothing is happening so I don’t want to sit around waiting for something to happen until we run out of time. I want us to actually get info so we can make an informed lynch.
What do you want?
Also gonna make Vaimes being a verb a thing.