Quote from fulcrum »You are the worst towmcheck I have ever had
Quote from Lastwhisper »@Cantrip
Why did Vaimes not target Tom on night 2, the night after he learned that Tom was a vig?
Quote from Wisp »if we lynch a wolf today, then there is highly likely only one wolf alive tomorrow based on the size of this game, so that would be a great time to at least claim deck names, since then in a world where Cantrip is town, he can stop the nightkill, and out the last wolf, which I still think the chances of him being town are higher than him being mafia
Quote from Wisp »I like that Tom isnt trying to push this narrative that Cantrip has to be a wolf, and continues to defend him based on content, looks better for him
Quote from Grapefruit21 »And I'm permanently paranoid about getting pocketed. Our fearless moderator has a lot to do with that...
Quote from Cantripmancer »Tom, I really don't know what to think. I'm hoping you're just trying to get us to go "oh, he's so calm and rational, he can't be scum". If I'm being played mechanically, I'm going to be really disappointed.
Thread died; does that mean we're ready to move forward with lunching Tom, or do we need to discuss further? Anyone having second thoughts on Tom?
Quote from Sir Chris »Can we kill kj yet
Quote from Bateleur »Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Quote from Cantripmancer »
Tom, if you're town, we never lose to a team with KJ. If they leave me alive, I will fight tooth and nail to lunch him toMorrow. If they kill me, everyone will know I was telling the truth, and they'll lunch KJ. I'm much more worried about combinations involving Vez and/or Shadow.
Quote from Killjoy »So, I've been thinking about it.
I don't think Cantrip is scum here. Scum Cantrip is sinking a lot of eggs into winning the game right now. After town Tom goes down, he goes after me which might be a thing but it's risky. It goes against the time honored scum tradition of keeping options open.
Additionally on the Tom v Cantrip front, I think Tom is the more likely scum because I 1) do not think all three major washing yesterday were on town. and 2) I don't think my initial wagon was pure, and don't like his assertion that it was. The odds of all 7 people voting me being town are very low.
Quote from Sir Chris »Here's an idea: we don't lynch tom at all. I know this may seem zany, but usually when you have someone dead to the world like KJ has been for a bit he's like that for a reason.
Come on, you guys can do it. I kind of believe in you.
Quote from Cantripmancer »
Chris: If Tom flips scum, also probably town. Again, if he was scum with Tom he wouldn't have confirmed success targeting Tom without knowing if I had also tried to target Tom/been unsuccessful.
Quote from tomsloger »Quote from Cantripmancer »
Tom, if you're town, we never lose to a team with KJ. If they leave me alive, I will fight tooth and nail to lunch him toMorrow. If they kill me, everyone will know I was telling the truth, and they'll lunch KJ. I'm much more worried about combinations involving Vez and/or Shadow.yes thats what i said.
Quote from vezokpiraka »unvote
Cantrip makes good points. If tom is scum literally nobody makes sense as his buddy. Maybe shadow, but that's extremely doubtful.
Quote from Axelrod »Quote from Cantripmancer »
Chris: If Tom flips scum, also probably town. Again, if he was scum with Tom he wouldn't have confirmed success targeting Tom without knowing if I had also tried to target Tom/been unsuccessful.He wouldn't have what now? Chris targeted KCC.
Quote from Lastwhisper »I mean its possible that Chris outs that information even if he's wolf buddies with Tom because there was nothing detrimental coming from it, I mean anything more detrimental to be fair, it didn't look worse till after Axelrod confirmed the accuracy of it, possibly distancing maybe? if tom is a wolf, like him and the last wolf probably are cutting their loses and spending the time trying to distance
Quote from shadowlancerx »@Axel: not to specifically shade Cantrip or Tom, but both are definitely more than capable of formulating a fake claim that is believable and elaborate.
I am less than confident in a Tom lynch, but I don’t see a way to get past this gamestate without one.
I’m interested in anything Tom has to say before we proceed, but otherwise I don’t think I have anything else for today.
(A small part of me thinks that cantrip’s knowledge about flavor being relevant to abilities points to him being on a team with Az, or someone else with an ability that also cares being scum.)
Quote from shadowlancerx »I’ve been having second thoughts on Tom since y’all started pressuring him days ago, but he’s the simplest mechanical answer to what’s going on.
I don’t like it, and I think it’s a miss, but I don’t have a good mechanical answer and he’s the default lynch tomorrow if we miss today.
Quote from Killjoy »KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Quote from shadowlancerx »Chris could be Toms buddy. (So also could Cantrip )
Quote from shadowlancerx »I want Tom lynched today because sometimes you have to fall back on mechanics as a failsafe. More than anything either of you are doing individually, I don’t want to have been wrong on Tom.
Quote from Cantripmancer »I believe we're at:
tomsloger (3): Axelrod, shadowlancerx, Cantripmancer
Killjoy (4): tomsloger, Sir Chris, Lastwhisper, vezokpiraka
Abstain (1): Killjoy