Blah, forgot an addition: "he waited too long, therefore I don't believe it was genuinely his intention to dissect people's reactions towards his posts."
Tron. I have a one-shot ability I can use for each tron land I put into play, but can't use any of them until all three tron lands are in. They're announced publicly when brought in. Ability #1 is a rolecop/roleblock (thought-knot seer), #2 is retaliation if I'm targeted by a NK (wurmcoil engine), and #3 is a one shot cop (Karn).
Az, what's your read on me? Misguided townie tunneling your lunch, or malicious scum trying to get you mislunched?
Mostly null given how little you've stuck out to me, but I lean towards diagnosing you as a townie who's voting against me out of what boils down to personal dislike for my tactics / general oddity that you didnt' have a lens to understand what I was doing. You seem to be at least representing that you're curious in my responses.
Is there anything in Az’s wallpost about who he thinks is scum? Especially among those pushing him? Which slot does he want to run up and/or kill? He knows he’s a major wagon heading into deadline, right? Who cares about defending the Grape read at this point, it’s been a billion years.
Apparently 1/3 of the wagon thinks it was questionable, and has no idea what my meta is, even though a number of them really ought to. So, there's that.
I read Azrael's big post. Doesn't really move the needle for me, but the content is at least consistent with his vote, so credit where credit is due.
But I think he waited waaay too long to analyze people's reactions to him being scummy on purpose, which. I feel like if the person that does that really is town, it tends to confuse and annoy villagers more often than help them lunch mafia.
"Waaaay too long" might be a bit of stretch given that we're not all that far into D1 and this is our first major wagon Vaimes. Still, might need to alter my town playstyle to fit the reality that I just don't have time to fight off and dissipate negative attention in the fashion that I'm used to doing, and that apparently hardly anyone has the slightest idea what my meta is anymore.
Don't much care for how many reasonless votes are on me. That's what - half my wagon? Don't much care for how many votes are intentionally ignoring my meta to try to pick on things I do *literally every game for 15 years*, or are based on "well that's weird." Feel like my skin is crawling with scum right now, and the OMGUS attack from Shadow is one of the most obvious culprits. It's an atrociously baseless wagon, and its kinda disappointing that it's been allowed to get this far when it's essentially a witch-hunt based on a lot of townies going "huh, that's weird" coupled with a ton of scum bandwagon votes trying to eliminate me before I have a chance to get rolling.
Sorry if some of you guys were expecting more of an immediate splash, I could certainly get there eventually, but my playing time is reduced to after my kids are down at about 8:30, minus whatever time I carve out for my wife, until I fall asleep. So the pace of that engagement and analysis is slowed waaaay down. Still there, still the intention, but the speed factor is just not going to be what you guys are accustomed to. I feel like if you looked at some of my more recent games, or how little I've been on discord or posting in general, you'd see that trend going into effect there.
Thus far, the points against me boil down to:
1. Activity (I now have kids and run a thing)
2. Clearing Grapefruit (which is meta for me going back forever)
3. I asked wisp/syrenz a tough question
4. no reasons, lol bandwagon
That plus Shadow, who completely ignored me right up until the point that I attacked him for his terrible interactions following his Sir Chris attack. Because that wasn't the slightest bit a transparent OMGUS deflection. But hey, if you have the time to make a dozen posts to my once per day wall, might as well use volume and heat to lead the town around by the nose and hope no one notices how terrible the case truly is before it's too late.
You say the Tron land drops will be announced publicly when brought in. When does that happen? You pick one at night and it's "announced" in the morning? And you can't do anything until all three lands are "in" i.e. N4? Now that I'm typing that it sounds very wrong, so what am I missing there?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
You say the Tron land drops will be announced publicly when brought in. When does that happen? You pick one at night and it's "announced" in the morning? And you can't do anything until all three lands are "in" i.e. N4? Now that I'm typing that it sounds very wrong, so what am I missing there?
I believe I'm able to do it once per phase, so today, tonight, and then day 2 I'm live. So more of a one full day delay, which isn't the worst. I can do it either on demand or it happens automatically at end of day.
The lack of interest in tom is depressing. His catch up was not great to say the least. I think he's the best option today.
Think there is anything to read into with his lack of words about Az?
Maybe? I think more interesting was his lack of engagement on you/Chris. Tom is often bored by fights but loves to draw conclusions from them. His lack of depth there was disappointing.
Also Vig kill tron please. Thank you. Role feels wrong on the same axis Axel mentions. 3 one shots that the last can't be used till N6 is insane even if it fits the flavor.
Ohhh hmmm... One per phase makes more sense. Why haven't you activated it yet then? Are they announced that you are playing them or just that they are played?
You say the Tron land drops will be announced publicly when brought in. When does that happen? You pick one at night and it's "announced" in the morning? And you can't do anything until all three lands are "in" i.e. N4? Now that I'm typing that it sounds very wrong, so what am I missing there?
I believe I'm able to do it once per phase, so today, tonight, and then day 2 I'm live. So more of a one full day delay, which isn't the worst. I can do it either on demand or it happens automatically at end of day.
You "believe?" What do you mean you believe? You haven't clarified this yet? And you can do it now? This day?
Why don't you go ahead and do that then?
But it happens automatically if you don't do anything? That doesn't even make sense. If it just "happens," and it's automatic, and the land that goes into play doesn't matter because you can't do anything until they are all in anyway, what are you even choosing?
This actually looks worse, and now I think something may be amiss here....
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
The Thought-Knot Seer and Wurmcoil Engine cards align fairly well with the abilities Az claimed. However, there is no ability on any iteration of Karn that comes even close to translating to a copping ability.
It's an atrociously baseless wagon, and its kinda disappointing that it's been allowed to get this far when it's essentially a witch-hunt based on a lot of townies going "huh, that's weird" coupled with a ton of scum bandwagon votes trying to eliminate me before I have a chance to get rolling.
My bad, he did call out exactly one person (shadow). But this quote is still bunk.
Betcha Az is gonna try and persuade y'all to let him wait til EoD for his ability to auto-trigger, instead of doing it while the sun's up. Otherwise I don't know why he bothered mentioning it, the overwhelmingly obvious course of action here as a villager under fire is to prove your ability as soon as you can. Especially if it's just gonna happen automatically after the lunch.
But it happens automatically if you don't do anything? That doesn't even make sense. If it just "happens," and it's automatic, and the land that goes into play doesn't matter because you can't do anything until they are all in anyway, what are you even choosing?
Betcha Az is gonna try and persuade y'all to let him wait til EoD for his ability to auto-trigger, instead of doing it while the sun's up. Otherwise I don't know why he bothered mentioning it, the overwhelmingly obvious course of action here as a villager under fire is to prove your ability as soon as you can. Especially if it's just gonna happen automatically after the lunch.
I don't remember you being this obnoxious. Something happen to your alignment to change that?
You "believe?" What do you mean you believe? You haven't clarified this yet? And you can do it now? This day?
Why don't you go ahead and do that then?
But it happens automatically if you don't do anything? That doesn't even make sense. If it just "happens," and it's automatic, and the land that goes into play doesn't matter because you can't do anything until they are all in anyway, what are you even choosing?
This actually looks worse, and now I think something may be amiss here....
Yes, I ve requested it be played immediately.
I don't know why the ability is worded to give me the option of playing immediately or automatically, but presumably the auto is a fail safe so that people don't forget to play their tron land and self nerf, hurting balance. You can ask proph post game.
I "believe" because I reread my role PM, but I didn't reread his clarification post and went off memory and I was 99.9999% sure I correctly understood him, but I have traumatic memories of people trying to lynch players over misunderstanding mods/role PMs before, and that's not how I want to go out.
Yeah, I am almost convinced Az is lying about his claim.
And I am convinced you're second guessing the mod over confirmable details of things that will probably show up in this thread within 24 hours and that nobody would have any motivation to lie about.
That whole claim sounds as crafted by scum.
The land drops are true, but are also NAI.
The rolecop/roleblock part is probably also true.
Now what does scum want from a good fake claim?
* A provable portion (land drop / rolecop)
* A strong reason why town wants them alive (cop)
* A reason why scum doesn’t kill the role (retaliation)
I think it’s a made up claim. The roles are weird to throw on a JOAT. Who gives a rolecop and alignment cop shot to one JOAT? And then the combo with a killing ability...
Yeah I’ve given it some thought, and I’m convinced Azrael is scum and I’m not moving my vote either.
1) As Axelrod pointed out, some of the wording in the claim was very clunky. I doubt a player as cerebral as Azrael didn’t have a firm grip on his abilities.
2) The thing about all three abilities not being usable until all three lands are in play doesn’t jive to me. It would make more sense if his abilities “leveled up”. And on that note, even if he’s true-claiming that aspect, the bomb ability is by far the strongest of the three and I feel like it would be #3 on the list.
3) I repeat: the claimed cop shot makes zero sense. On a scale of 1-5 where 1 is “Mountain - Kill a player” and 5 is “Murder - Kill a player”, claiming Karn as a cop shot might be a 0.
4) Az conveniently left out which version of Karn represents his ability, and I think he did it to dodge a counterclaim. If someone pops up and says their ability is a particular Karn, he can turn around and say his is a different one.
My guess: he true-claimed the TKS ability, probably true-claimed the Wurmcoil one, but the third ability is a pant load.
The lack of interest in tom is depressing. His catch up was not great to say the least. I think he's the best option today.
Think there is anything to read into with his lack of words about Az?
Maybe? I think more interesting was his lack of engagement on you/Chris. Tom is often bored by fights but loves to draw conclusions from them. His lack of depth there was disappointing.
Also Vig kill tron please. Thank you. Role feels wrong on the same axis Axel mentions. 3 one shots that the last can't be used till N6 is insane even if it fits the flavor.
Why ask the vig to kill him rather than just lynch?
What if retaliation is true but on scum?
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Betcha Az is gonna try and persuade y'all to let him wait til EoD for his ability to auto-trigger, instead of doing it while the sun's up. Otherwise I don't know why he bothered mentioning it, the overwhelmingly obvious course of action here as a villager under fire is to prove your ability as soon as you can. Especially if it's just gonna happen automatically after the lunch.
Vaimes being wrong about this makes me think he is probably town, as there are a lot of things to pick at Az here as either alignment but this is kind of a weird slant to take. I tend to like weird as town most of the time.
Leaning town on Az's claim, but I am mulling over further. The imperfections notes about the claim don't add up very well to a botched claim by a skilled player as scum.
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Yeah, I am almost convinced Az is lying about his claim.
And I am convinced you're second guessing the mod over confirmable details of things that will probably show up in this thread within 24 hours and that nobody would have any motivation to lie about.
I'm not second guessing the mod. I believe it all the day. I'm just counterclaiming you. I'm also a joat and my abilitirs are nowhere near those you have.
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I don't think that means as much as you might think, Vezok. Possible that it does, but given what this game seems to be it isn't a certainty.
Although you are very likely town too due to claiming like a JoaT should and that is 'not spill their guts' which is the worst part of Az's claim.
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Yeah, I am almost convinced Az is lying about his claim.
And I am convinced you're second guessing the mod over confirmable details of things that will probably show up in this thread within 24 hours and that nobody would have any motivation to lie about.
I'm not second guessing the mod. I believe it all the day. I'm just counterclaiming you. I'm also a joat and my abilitirs are nowhere near those you have.
I'm not second guessing the mod. I believe it all the day. I'm just counterclaiming you. I'm also a joat and my abilitirs are nowhere near those you have.
I'm guessing you also need to do something to unlock your abilities. Do your abilities come with a giant warning in thread, like Az's? Because I don't feel like that's a good sign.
I'm not second guessing the mod. I believe it all the day. I'm just counterclaiming you. I'm also a joat and my abilitirs are nowhere near those you have.
Vezok, on that scale of 1-5 that I mentioned above, how *well* do the cards chosen for your abilities match up in terms of flavor/mechanics?
I thought everyone would put 2 and 2 together and realise that I have to be on the lynch wagon to unlock a random ability.
I have a single ability and it's named after a card, but the connection is about 2. I could totally buy a one shot cop as Karn. That's the least of my problems with Az' claim.
And while none of abilities overlap with Az, his seem much stronger than mine and unrealistic. I'm more concerned with how our roles don't overlap at all. I believe that is Az' role except he has something good for scum instrad of a cop and is somewhat of a mirror to mine.
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I thought everyone would put 2 and 2 together and realise that I have to be on the lynch wagon to unlock a random ability.
Yes, I got that, that part wasn't a question.
Are we expecting a big announcement about it at the time of the lynch?
Because if the downside of your role is needing to jump through hoops to gain abilities, and the downside to Az's is that we get a warning about it. That feels like a decent indicator of alignments.
I thought everyone would put 2 and 2 together and realise that I have to be on the lynch wagon to unlock a random ability.
Yes, I got that, that part wasn't a question.
Are we expecting a big announcement about it at the time of the lynch?
Because if the downside of your role is needing to jump through hoops to gain abilities, and the downside to Az's is that we get a warning about it. That feels like a decent indicator of alignments.
I assume nobody gets a warning.
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That land drop does look a bit ominous, I must say.
Now I'm trying to decide how much of a warning/threat it is supposed to represent, and for who.
If it auto-drops at the end of each phase as Az claims, then it seems the only purpose of him being able to make the drop manually is to be able to "prove" it, and verify his claim. Who needs that more?
3) I repeat: the claimed cop shot makes zero sense. On a scale of 1-5 where 1 is “Mountain - Kill a player” and 5 is “Murder - Kill a player”, claiming Karn as a cop shot might be a 0.
Don't understand this, though. Karn takes a card out of the opponent's hand, yes? How does that rate a 0 for you in terms of it's flavor as a Cop shot? It's essentially the same thing as Thought-Knot Seer being a role-cop, and you seemed to think that was fine.
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I thought everyone would put 2 and 2 together and realise that I have to be on the lynch wagon to unlock a random ability.
I have a single ability and it's named after a card, but the connection is about 2. I could totally buy a one shot cop as Karn. That's the least of my problems with Az' claim.
And while none of abilities overlap with Az, his seem much stronger than mine and unrealistic. I'm more concerned with how our roles don't overlap at all. I believe that is Az' role except he has something good for scum instrad of a cop and is somewhat of a mirror to mine.
Ok, fair enough.
The reason I'm hung up on the Karn thing is because I have a single ability that is a fairly common one, but it's implemented in an unusual fashion to specifically tailor it to mirror the function of the card.
But this isn't enough to deter me. I agree 100% with your other observation that Az's real third ability is probably a very strong scum ability (likely stronger than the bomb) and not a cop shot.
3) I repeat: the claimed cop shot makes zero sense. On a scale of 1-5 where 1 is “Mountain - Kill a player” and 5 is “Murder - Kill a player”, claiming Karn as a cop shot might be a 0.
Don't understand this, though. Karn takes a card out of the opponent's hand, yes? How does that rate a 0 for you in terms of it's flavor as a Cop shot? It's essentially the same thing as Thought-Knot Seer being a role-cop, and you seemed to think that was fine.
There is a pretty big difference there. When you tick up Karn, your opponent chooses the card. When you drop Thought-Knot Seer, you get to see your opponent's hand.
WAITING!
Waiting on AZ to claim.
(Set to the tune of waiting on the world to change)
Other people are basically handwaving him, which. Happens every game.
Mostly null given how little you've stuck out to me, but I lean towards diagnosing you as a townie who's voting against me out of what boils down to personal dislike for my tactics / general oddity that you didnt' have a lens to understand what I was doing. You seem to be at least representing that you're curious in my responses.
Apparently 1/3 of the wagon thinks it was questionable, and has no idea what my meta is, even though a number of them really ought to. So, there's that.
"Waaaay too long" might be a bit of stretch given that we're not all that far into D1 and this is our first major wagon Vaimes. Still, might need to alter my town playstyle to fit the reality that I just don't have time to fight off and dissipate negative attention in the fashion that I'm used to doing, and that apparently hardly anyone has the slightest idea what my meta is anymore.
Don't much care for how many reasonless votes are on me. That's what - half my wagon? Don't much care for how many votes are intentionally ignoring my meta to try to pick on things I do *literally every game for 15 years*, or are based on "well that's weird." Feel like my skin is crawling with scum right now, and the OMGUS attack from Shadow is one of the most obvious culprits. It's an atrociously baseless wagon, and its kinda disappointing that it's been allowed to get this far when it's essentially a witch-hunt based on a lot of townies going "huh, that's weird" coupled with a ton of scum bandwagon votes trying to eliminate me before I have a chance to get rolling.
Sorry if some of you guys were expecting more of an immediate splash, I could certainly get there eventually, but my playing time is reduced to after my kids are down at about 8:30, minus whatever time I carve out for my wife, until I fall asleep. So the pace of that engagement and analysis is slowed waaaay down. Still there, still the intention, but the speed factor is just not going to be what you guys are accustomed to. I feel like if you looked at some of my more recent games, or how little I've been on discord or posting in general, you'd see that trend going into effect there.
Thus far, the points against me boil down to:
1. Activity (I now have kids and run a thing)
2. Clearing Grapefruit (which is meta for me going back forever)
3. I asked wisp/syrenz a tough question
4. no reasons, lol bandwagon
That plus Shadow, who completely ignored me right up until the point that I attacked him for his terrible interactions following his Sir Chris attack. Because that wasn't the slightest bit a transparent OMGUS deflection. But hey, if you have the time to make a dozen posts to my once per day wall, might as well use volume and heat to lead the town around by the nose and hope no one notices how terrible the case truly is before it's too late.
But his vote on me was so well-reasoned...
You say the Tron land drops will be announced publicly when brought in. When does that happen? You pick one at night and it's "announced" in the morning? And you can't do anything until all three lands are "in" i.e. N4? Now that I'm typing that it sounds very wrong, so what am I missing there?
I believe I'm able to do it once per phase, so today, tonight, and then day 2 I'm live. So more of a one full day delay, which isn't the worst. I can do it either on demand or it happens automatically at end of day.
Nah I have brought him up a few times.
I just didn't want to split the Shadow wagon onto 2 people.
To some capacity it justifies people feeling he is underwelming given his role wants to live to late game
Maybe? I think more interesting was his lack of engagement on you/Chris. Tom is often bored by fights but loves to draw conclusions from them. His lack of depth there was disappointing.
Also Vig kill tron please. Thank you. Role feels wrong on the same axis Axel mentions. 3 one shots that the last can't be used till N6 is insane even if it fits the flavor.
I...am not sure how I feel about that claim. If we don’t lynch today, we are committed to leaving Az until at minimum day 3.
Why don't you go ahead and do that then?
But it happens automatically if you don't do anything? That doesn't even make sense. If it just "happens," and it's automatic, and the land that goes into play doesn't matter because you can't do anything until they are all in anyway, what are you even choosing?
This actually looks worse, and now I think something may be amiss here....
The Thought-Knot Seer and Wurmcoil Engine cards align fairly well with the abilities Az claimed. However, there is no ability on any iteration of Karn that comes even close to translating to a copping ability.
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My vote will not be moving.
You still missed another. And even if I hadn't, arguing that everyone who doesn't counter punch is scum is pretty silly, Vaimes.
I don't remember you being this obnoxious. Something happen to your alignment to change that?
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Yes, I ve requested it be played immediately.
I don't know why the ability is worded to give me the option of playing immediately or automatically, but presumably the auto is a fail safe so that people don't forget to play their tron land and self nerf, hurting balance. You can ask proph post game.
I "believe" because I reread my role PM, but I didn't reread his clarification post and went off memory and I was 99.9999% sure I correctly understood him, but I have traumatic memories of people trying to lynch players over misunderstanding mods/role PMs before, and that's not how I want to go out.
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And I am convinced you're second guessing the mod over confirmable details of things that will probably show up in this thread within 24 hours and that nobody would have any motivation to lie about.
Is it rolecop or roleblock or both?
The land drops are true, but are also NAI.
The rolecop/roleblock part is probably also true.
Now what does scum want from a good fake claim?
* A provable portion (land drop / rolecop)
* A strong reason why town wants them alive (cop)
* A reason why scum doesn’t kill the role (retaliation)
I think it’s a made up claim. The roles are weird to throw on a JOAT. Who gives a rolecop and alignment cop shot to one JOAT? And then the combo with a killing ability...
also dont know enough about Magic, to decide if its a lie or not
this is the last post you are getting from me for at least 24 hours
1) As Axelrod pointed out, some of the wording in the claim was very clunky. I doubt a player as cerebral as Azrael didn’t have a firm grip on his abilities.
2) The thing about all three abilities not being usable until all three lands are in play doesn’t jive to me. It would make more sense if his abilities “leveled up”. And on that note, even if he’s true-claiming that aspect, the bomb ability is by far the strongest of the three and I feel like it would be #3 on the list.
3) I repeat: the claimed cop shot makes zero sense. On a scale of 1-5 where 1 is “Mountain - Kill a player” and 5 is “Murder - Kill a player”, claiming Karn as a cop shot might be a 0.
4) Az conveniently left out which version of Karn represents his ability, and I think he did it to dodge a counterclaim. If someone pops up and says their ability is a particular Karn, he can turn around and say his is a different one.
My guess: he true-claimed the TKS ability, probably true-claimed the Wurmcoil one, but the third ability is a pant load.
I thought this question was absurd at first, but after Azrael’s claim maybe not so much.
Not 100% sure though.
Why ask the vig to kill him rather than just lynch?
What if retaliation is true but on scum?
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Vaimes being wrong about this makes me think he is probably town, as there are a lot of things to pick at Az here as either alignment but this is kind of a weird slant to take. I tend to like weird as town most of the time.
Leaning town on Az's claim, but I am mulling over further. The imperfections notes about the claim don't add up very well to a botched claim by a skilled player as scum.
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I'm not second guessing the mod. I believe it all the day. I'm just counterclaiming you. I'm also a joat and my abilitirs are nowhere near those you have.
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Although you are very likely town too due to claiming like a JoaT should and that is 'not spill their guts' which is the worst part of Az's claim.
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No it isnt
And again, not saying we shouldn't lynch Az here, because we should, but I don't think this reasoning would rule out a 1shot cop.
I'm guessing you also need to do something to unlock your abilities. Do your abilities come with a giant warning in thread, like Az's? Because I don't feel like that's a good sign.
Vezok, on that scale of 1-5 that I mentioned above, how *well* do the cards chosen for your abilities match up in terms of flavor/mechanics?
I have a single ability and it's named after a card, but the connection is about 2. I could totally buy a one shot cop as Karn. That's the least of my problems with Az' claim.
And while none of abilities overlap with Az, his seem much stronger than mine and unrealistic. I'm more concerned with how our roles don't overlap at all. I believe that is Az' role except he has something good for scum instrad of a cop and is somewhat of a mirror to mine.
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Are we expecting a big announcement about it at the time of the lynch?
Because if the downside of your role is needing to jump through hoops to gain abilities, and the downside to Az's is that we get a warning about it. That feels like a decent indicator of alignments.
I assume nobody gets a warning.
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Now I'm trying to decide how much of a warning/threat it is supposed to represent, and for who.
If it auto-drops at the end of each phase as Az claims, then it seems the only purpose of him being able to make the drop manually is to be able to "prove" it, and verify his claim. Who needs that more?
I'm just thinking out loud.
Don't understand this, though. Karn takes a card out of the opponent's hand, yes? How does that rate a 0 for you in terms of it's flavor as a Cop shot? It's essentially the same thing as Thought-Knot Seer being a role-cop, and you seemed to think that was fine.
Ok, fair enough.
The reason I'm hung up on the Karn thing is because I have a single ability that is a fairly common one, but it's implemented in an unusual fashion to specifically tailor it to mirror the function of the card.
But this isn't enough to deter me. I agree 100% with your other observation that Az's real third ability is probably a very strong scum ability (likely stronger than the bomb) and not a cop shot.
I assume you're referring to Karn Liberated?
There is a pretty big difference there. When you tick up Karn, your opponent chooses the card. When you drop Thought-Knot Seer, you get to see your opponent's hand.