I feel like bee protecting vaimes is a slightly odd choice. I went into night agreeing he was most likely town, but I thought he was one of the least likely people to be targeted with a NK.
With that said, I'm against vigging Meg, if that's still an option.
How can shadow be that high on your list when he was an early competing wagon with Az.
Please shoot him.
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I'm not really sure what the purpose of this was nor what it has to do with my questioning of dk.
I'm actually wondering if there's not three scum on that wagon. That's mostly I don't think two scum would stay on Fuwa.
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I don't think it's Fuwa because counterwagon.
In order of likelyhood: Maybe Axel/(Cantrip/shadow)/kcc/Vaimes/dkings/vezok
I will eat a dirty sock filled with peanut butter if there is a town Delayer in this game.
On the other hand, why would scum target BeeBoy? That seems pretty random (This is not a sub claim.) That choice just doesn't seem to make a lot of sense from scum on town Beeboy, whereas, it would seem to make more sense from a Townie who had a scum read on Beeboy. Obviously it's not impossible.
Doc claim is easy for scum on the brink to make, but the extra details are very good if it's fake claim.
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I'm not really sure what the purpose of this was nor what it has to do with my questioning of dk.
I'm actually wondering if there's not three scum on that wagon. That's mostly I don't think two scum would stay on Fuwa.
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I don't think it's Fuwa because counterwagon.
In order of likelyhood: Maybe Axel/(Cantrip/shadow)/kcc/Vaimes/dkings/vezok
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
On the other hand, why would scum target BeeBoy? That seems pretty random (This is not a sub claim.) That choice just doesn't seem to make a lot of sense from scum on town Beeboy, whereas, it would seem to make more sense from a Townie who had a scum read on Beeboy. Obviously it's not impossible.
Doc claim is easy for scum on the brink to make, but the extra details are very good if it's fake claim.
Maybe they thought beeboy was a strong town PR? I don't know why scum do what they do.
I think as a villager it's uh, very suboptimal to use a delaying ability without more concrete info.
Actually I'll give some insight since I rolled scum roleblocker back to back.
Before claims happen I would usually target villagers who were kinda lurky, kinda mislynchable. Like Tubba or Killjoy. It's always the quiet ones that end up townfirming themselves via some kind of power.
So a scum PR randomly firing onto beeboy isn't unlikely.
I'm not really sure what the purpose of this was nor what it has to do with my questioning of dk.
I'm actually wondering if there's not three scum on that wagon. That's mostly I don't think two scum would stay on Fuwa.
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I don't think it's Fuwa because counterwagon.
In order of likelyhood: Maybe Axel/(Cantrip/shadow)/kcc/Vaimes/dkings/vezok
yeah who the hell believes this?
I do. Welcome to how my head works.
so youre questioning dkings but hes still less likely than anyone but vezok?
Dkings being scum would make me very happy since it would mortally confirm fuwa given the reach dkings had earlier to try to say fuwa could be scum while basically calling fuwa town in other interactions.
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I'm not really sure what the purpose of this was nor what it has to do with my questioning of dk.
I'm actually wondering if there's not three scum on that wagon. That's mostly I don't think two scum would stay on Fuwa.
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I don't think it's Fuwa because counterwagon.
In order of likelyhood: Maybe Axel/(Cantrip/shadow)/kcc/Vaimes/dkings/vezok
yeah who the hell believes this?
I do. Welcome to how my head works.
so youre questioning dkings but hes still less likely than anyone but vezok?
I'm questioning if i was wrong about him being scum or not, but the others I haven't been actively town reading. That counts for something.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
So at most 3 people can be scum but you are that befuddled by that train? Like you look at that train and go "man, so much bussing going on here"
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Like we have 13 not you players alive right now. only 3 of them are scum. Someone gives you a list of six people and not a single god damn one, who murdered scum day one, has done anything to suggest they are even a town LEAN to you?
Really?
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
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I will eat a dirty sock filled with peanut butter if there is a town Delayer in this game.
On the other hand, why would scum target BeeBoy? That seems pretty random (This is not a sub claim.) That choice just doesn't seem to make a lot of sense from scum on town Beeboy, whereas, it would seem to make more sense from a Townie who had a scum read on Beeboy. Obviously it's not impossible.
Doc claim is easy for scum on the brink to make, but the extra details are very good if it's fake claim.
They targeted beeboy because they thought he wasn't vanilla due to his role madness comment. The claim seems way too good to be a fake for the short amount of time megs had to think about it.
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I dunno, maybe Grape is scum and Azrael very specifically distanced from him with that in-depth read? Grape's presence (not activity) is severely lacking. Aside from the Az thing and trying to lunch Fuwa, I could not tell you a single villagery thing Grape has done.
I'd still kill Last and tom before touching Grape.
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This is personally amazing to me because literally nothing I have posted has been fake. I guess you can't know this if you are town but <_<
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Yeah, presently, I have 2.5 scumreads on Fuwa so I'm gonna go ahead and say she's bait.
Don't really think it's Killjoy.
Means the other 1-2 scum are crafty and hiding in a group of players that are generally pretty townread (KCC, Cantrip, shadow, Axel), unless Meg/vezok are surprise deepwolves.
I'm interested in the scum!dk world. He could've voted Az and hoped town would organically CFD onto someone else, and then the other buddy got swept up in the villagers moving from Fuwa to Az.
tom, your shot should be one of Last/Chris/Grape, unless you somehow think they're all town?
this logic is extremely specious.
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Can we have Megiddo removed from the forum forever please?
i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
in the post i quoted above, you soft approved it by saying you could “see a dking scum world” with what i can only describe as pure paranoia reasoning. like you can’t legitimately think that. you follow that up by suggesting some other shots.
kill happens.
you come in with a tom vote (note: you have been expressing tom scumread for a bit), a bunch more paranoia analysis (with no changed conclusions as far as i can tell?), and then you say, and this is my biased paraphrase: “too bad we didn’t shoot one of the people i suggested.”
finishing off, a (weak imo) justification for why voting a day kill role could be the move.
like. ok. please explain the thought process behind what i’m seeing here, because this is setting off major alarm bells for me.
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Can we have Megiddo removed from the forum forever please?
i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
With that said, I'm against vigging Meg, if that's still an option.
Please shoot him.
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what exactly is you bottom list suppose to show?
I really want to hate you for #1801, but ill let it slide
Kinda want to yolo kj after all that tbh... that last post on the previous page is awful
But
@dkings
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Doc claim is easy for scum on the brink to make, but the extra details are very good if it's fake claim.
I wonder how many claims we're gonna get through before tom lets loose.
I think.
I think as a villager it's uh, very suboptimal to use a delaying ability without more concrete info.
Before claims happen I would usually target villagers who were kinda lurky, kinda mislynchable. Like Tubba or Killjoy. It's always the quiet ones that end up townfirming themselves via some kind of power.
So a scum PR randomly firing onto beeboy isn't unlikely.
Scum delaying beeboy makes perfect sense if hes town
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tomsloger (3): Axelrod, Sir Chris, Vaimes
Killjoy (3): dkingsland967, vezokpiraka, Lastwhisper
Fuwa (2): Grapefruit21, Grapefruit21
Lastwhisper (1): Killjoy
KittyCupCake (1): Megiddo
Sir Chris (1): Cantripmancer
Abstain (4): tomsloger, Fuwa, KittyCupCake, shadowlancerx
With 14 alive, it takes 8 votes to lynch.
Day 1 will end on Sunday, September 1st, at 11:59 PM.
Grapefruit21 has been prodded.
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Really?
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I meant there was likely one off wagon.
Sorry for hijacking the day hopefully this makes up for it
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They targeted beeboy because they thought he wasn't vanilla due to his role madness comment. The claim seems way too good to be a fake for the short amount of time megs had to think about it.
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Vote count has been reset. With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Time to lunch tom.
Azrael (9): Vaimes, Rhand, dkingsland967, KittyCupCake, Axelrod, Fuwa, shadowlancerx, Cantripmancer, killjoy
Fuwa (5): Grapefruit21, Sir Chris, tomsloger, vezokpiraka, Lastwhisper
shadowlancerx (1): beeboy
Vaimes (1): Azrael
I dunno, maybe Grape is scum and Azrael very specifically distanced from him with that in-depth read? Grape's presence (not activity) is severely lacking. Aside from the Az thing and trying to lunch Fuwa, I could not tell you a single villagery thing Grape has done.
I'd still kill Last and tom before touching Grape.
Vote tom
Chris is fake as ****, and vaimes is a potato
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This is personally amazing to me because literally nothing I have posted has been fake. I guess you can't know this if you are town but <_<
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Don't really think it's Killjoy.
Means the other 1-2 scum are crafty and hiding in a group of players that are generally pretty townread (KCC, Cantrip, shadow, Axel), unless Meg/vezok are surprise deepwolves.
this logic is extremely specious.
Knowing that the first three votes on Azrael are town doesn't really do much, it just confirms that some scum were caught up in the EoD1 vote-hopping.
you stated a townread on dkings
dkings was floated as a vig target
in the post i quoted above, you soft approved it by saying you could “see a dking scum world” with what i can only describe as pure paranoia reasoning. like you can’t legitimately think that. you follow that up by suggesting some other shots.
kill happens.
you come in with a tom vote (note: you have been expressing tom scumread for a bit), a bunch more paranoia analysis (with no changed conclusions as far as i can tell?), and then you say, and this is my biased paraphrase: “too bad we didn’t shoot one of the people i suggested.”
finishing off, a (weak imo) justification for why voting a day kill role could be the move.
like. ok. please explain the thought process behind what i’m seeing here, because this is setting off major alarm bells for me.
shadow (4): Chris, Azrael, kj, beeboy
tom (2): Axel, Grape
Chris (1): Fuwa
Abstain (1): Last
Can this actually be 8 town on az?
Sure kj or fuwa or something could have bussed after the claim but
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