Quote from Grapefruit21 »Why is top posting such an issue? I grant that as a tiebreaker you default to it, but people (wisp) are using it as a I won't touch that because, without presenting a viable alternative. I guess Wisp is voting Az but entirety of his grievance there seems to be that Az voted him without explaining it, which is not the strongest reason I've seen to vote someone.
I don't have a strong read on Az but this wagon has just cropped up over almost nothing and that always worries me.
Quote from tomsloger »eh. as a community were sort of dicks to everyone.
Quote from Vaimes »Yeah, I tunneled Silver all game and now I'm going to magically try and save him.
Quote from Bateleur »Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Quote from Grapefruit21 »And I'm permanently paranoid about getting pocketed. Our fearless moderator has a lot to do with that...
Quote from Axelrod »What's somewhat interesting to me is that this Beeboy read from Chris hardly appears to be a strong read. It looks like a mild impression at most. He says he "would be a little surprised" if Beeboy was scum. Not sure when/where this turns into the Beeboy is hard town read that Chris seemed to be pushing later.
Quote from Sir Chris »I cannot be the only one seeing that Shadow is flat out refusing to answer my reasonable question about his progression on me, right? Guys? I just asked him to explain his read of me. I didn't ask a trap question or the impossible. He progressed on me and I asked why. Now he is stalling.
Just answer, Shadow. It's not a complicated request.
Quote from Sir Chris »Also surely as someone who knows me as you know me, you know I have never been one to tunnel unduly long if someone is town. It's simply not in my history. So let's not act as if I am the type of player who often just tunnels town all day. I have never been that player.
Quote from Vez »
Trying to push a lynch where your pool of people who needs convincing is so small is just bad on day 1. At the end of the day, you won't get the lynch and the only thing people can analyse about you is the fact that you championed a lynch that wasn't going to happen.
Quote from vezokpiraka »I think Chris is just trying to play his usual town game, but due to the fact that he is scum, he can't solve anything as he knows everything so it shows through his weird progressions and bad arguments.
Quote from shadowlancerx »*Goes And looks at question*
Oh. So from lukewarm, I re-examined and heard some other input from players who also didn’t like your reasoning (KCC being prominent here). Along with it coinciding with my push on Beeboy, and I thought to myself “hang on a minute, those reasons really were not good at all” and so I called them garbage. And then I used the term “questionable” almost solely because you got so uppity about me calling it a garbage. Still think it’s a baseless read, even if it is right. Could be a product of you being better at inferring things than I am, I’m not so vain as to not consider that.
But yeah, if it’s just a matter of me being wrong then questionable is more fitting.
Quote from Lastwhisper »I want to say it's doubtful that if you are wolf, that you are a wolf with either Shadow or Chris based on the fact that regardless of the length and work put into this post, it just feels tonal-wise like you don't care about either
Quote from Sir Chris »You have 5 votes Shadow, if you are town there are at least some town people misunderstanding you. Also I had to ask twice, that's once too many tbh.
As for 669, because Vaimes wasn't engaging in good faith arguments and if he is going to be lazy and not back up his arguments like he was he could enjoy his time in other ways.
Quote from shadowlancerx »Axel, when you get back/ you keep saying you’re on team Chris, do you specifically think we are some form of t/s? What percentage would you say you think we could be t/t?
Quote from Lastwhisper »@Axelrod
I'm assuming I am waiting for a second post since I didn't see a conclusion (I guess the TLDR is conclusion)
I'm not much a fan of you taking the time to break down shadows posts, only to say, "right now I am for team Chris", I would also like you to answer Shadow's question
the lack of conclusion, and the fact that it feels like you are playing middleman to Chris vs. Shadow, makes me think that this was just words to look townie
I think we call this white-knighting, or maybe a pocket on Chris? The wolves are more likely to side with Chris based on his personality
I want to say it's doubtful that if you are wolf, that you are a wolf with either Shadow or Chris based on the fact that regardless of the length and work put into this post, it just feels tonal-wise like you don't care about either
Quote from tomsloger »Damn 6 pages.
Ok back for real later today
Quote from dkingsland967 »and KCC picked up on something from 578 that I disliked.
Quote from KittyCupCake »Quote from Grapefruit21 »It's not like there weren't other options at the time if you didn't like the shadow wagon.
I'm not just throwing my vote around anywhere.
As for shadow, that's the absolute last person I would vote here.
Quote from Grapefruit21 »It's not like there weren't other options at the time if you didn't like the shadow wagon.
Quote from Vaimes »Quote from Grapefruit21 »Why is top posting such an issue? I grant that as a tiebreaker you default to it, but people (wisp) are using it as a I won't touch that because, without presenting a viable alternative. I guess Wisp is voting Az but entirety of his grievance there seems to be that Az voted him without explaining it, which is not the strongest reason I've seen to vote someone.
I don't have a strong read on Az but this wagon has just cropped up over almost nothing and that always worries me.I think the way he almost seems to be trying not to make waves and fly under the radar is scummy. I think as town he’d be more prolific.
Which is absolutely not a “wah Az isn’t active enough for my liking,” he just doesn’t have any presence as a town player here.
Quote from dkingsland967 »I have no problem pushing along the Az wagon, but I think he is at five or six votes. I would rather some attention be paid to Grapefruit first since he has been flying under the radar for most of the game.
Quote from dkingsland967 »It was something to the tune of “you will take my vote and like it” or similar. You quoted it at one point.
Quote from Cantripmancer »Chances that the scum team is exactly four of Tom/Chris/Fuwa/Shadow/Az are probably very low.
Quote from Grapefruit21 »
You don't want to throw your vote around just anywhere, but you threw it on a wagon that you didn't want to happen? Like I said there were other options than just Shadow or Az at that stage.
Quote from shadowlancerx »Hi Cantrip, why does silver doing something as town in Hill House make it something I would do as scum here exactly? Do you remember why silver was saying he wasn’t to be the lynch? (Yes or no will do, I don’t need the reason)
Quote from Shadow »Also, Last is male.
Quote from Grapefruit21 »@Cantrip Tom's vote on Beeboy was really bad. Shadow's was pretty bad. I voted tom before realizing where the wagons were. I'd still rather push tom than Shadow but I think we have decent chances with both of them.
Quote from Grape »I'll go back and check the Syrenz push. His 545 is very underwhelming (and fits Vaimes point actually).
Quote from Lastwhisper »Idk why Azreal can instantiate on his read of my previous slot holder, it makes literally no sense from either a wolf or town perspective, but I would like to think town Azreal is more likely to go this long without worrying about the backlash of it
Take "I would like to think" very loosely though
Don't really know where else I would place my vote at though currently
Quote from Lastwhisper »@kcc
Can you go into details on that grape read?
Quote from Grapefruit21 »@DK you'll have to explain to me why it's impossible to have a buddy read between two players while having a town read on one of them. Also I don't understand your problem with me liking KJ taking you out of his pool. It's entirely possible to think someone is showing right process and reaching exactly the wrong conclusions. KJ has been utterly lacking malice, doesn't mean I think his reads are gospel.
Quote from KittyCupCake »Quote from Lastwhisper »@kcc
Can you go into details on that grape read?
For example, post 227 that dk pointed out. It's a bit of a headache to wind back through the post chain it references, but it's based on a subtle interaction between dk and vaimes in RVS. DK doesn't think grape should hold vaimes as independently townie, while also considering a dk/vaimes scum team. I don't see a problem there, I make notes like that all the time. And the fact that grape noticed that odd RVS exchange and thought about what could have caused it is a huge point in favor of grape actually trying to figure things out.