I'm tired and distracted. No real insight on anything, but I'm not willing to vote a claimed cop shot D1. I don't fully believe his claim but N3 isn't that far away.
Also my vig post was a joke. I hate tron with a passion. Too many lili's getting Karen's after checking their hand with thoughtseize.
3) I repeat: the claimed cop shot makes zero sense. On a scale of 1-5 where 1 is “Mountain - Kill a player” and 5 is “Murder - Kill a player”, claiming Karn as a cop shot might be a 0.
Don't understand this, though. Karn takes a card out of the opponent's hand, yes? How does that rate a 0 for you in terms of it's flavor as a Cop shot? It's essentially the same thing as Thought-Knot Seer being a role-cop, and you seemed to think that was fine.
There is a pretty big difference there. When you tick up Karn, your opponent chooses the card. When you drop Thought-Knot Seer, you get to see your opponent's hand.
Well, you called a "0" and that does not seem to be the case at all.
I'm more bothered by the fact that it is essentially the same "flavor" as Thought-Knot Seer, but with a different effect, and having a role cop ability and a regular cop ability is a bit weird, and that's a tiny bit inelegant for me.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I'm tired and distracted. No real insight on anything, but I'm not willing to vote a claimed cop shot D1. I don't fully believe his claim but N3 isn't that far away.
Also my vig post was a joke. I hate tron with a passion. Too many lili's getting Karen's after checking their hand with thoughtseize.
What? What don’t you believe about it? With as much as he put forward with the claim, what would be townie reason for lying about part of it?
Frankly, even with no overlap, it’s questionable design to put two Joats on the same team (of course now I’ll have to do so in a game).
I think for me it comes down to not wanting to be in limbo on Az’s slot until Day 3, only to hear about how something went wrong and he has nothing for us. And with the bomb claim we can’t even count on the role to self resolve.
Well, I have pondered, and at this point I think Az is more likely scum than Town.
The claim just doesn't add up for me. I think he's probably lying about something, and the impending sense of doom that the public land drops convey (oh crap, he's almost achieved Tron...) feels more like a scum achievement than a town one. I don't think I want the "something bad" to happen if he gets there. Add that to relatively lackluster play up to this point (I know *excuses* but still) and we have a fairly simple calculus.
So, consider my vote there. But not voting yet.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
4) Az conveniently left out which version of Karn represents his ability, and I think he did it to dodge a counterclaim. If someone pops up and says their ability is a particular Karn, he can turn around and say his is a different one.
Betcha Az is gonna try and persuade y'all to let him wait til EoD for his ability to auto-trigger, instead of doing it while the sun's up. Otherwise I don't know why he bothered mentioning it, the overwhelmingly obvious course of action here as a villager under fire is to prove your ability as soon as you can. Especially if it's just gonna happen automatically after the lunch.
Vaimes being wrong about this makes me think he is probably town, as there are a lot of things to pick at Az here as either alignment but this is kind of a weird slant to take. I tend to like weird as town most of the time.
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Leaning town on Az's claim, but I am mulling over further. The imperfections notes about the claim don't add up very well to a botched claim by a skilled player as scum.
I don't think that means as much as you might think, Vezok. Possible that it does, but given what this game seems to be it isn't a certainty.
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Although you are very likely town too due to claiming like a JoaT should and that is 'not spill their guts'
I'm running out of /barns.
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which is the worst part of Az's claim.
/ba-- Wait, what? What do you mean here?
I am definitely torn on Az's claim. I'll feel like an absolute idiot if we lunch a town investigative role, but several elements that have already been discussed don't feel like they add up. I'd like to think on this a little bit. Leaning scum, still, but mostly from behavior.
Vaimes and Axel ++town from their reactions/questions, even more so if Az flips scum. DK still town. Vez still town.
Chris, why did you feel the need to post 887?
Az, Please respond to Rhand's 880 and specify which Karn your ability comes from.
This seems needlessly prickly and KCC is in the right here. Flavor isn’t that important here. I wouldn’t mind knowing the answer about Karn, but that’s not something that should really play into this.
My role flavor wise isn’t like, the most cohesive. It makes some sense, but it’s a stretch.
Also why does 2 JOATs with 2 separate functionalities considered a viable counter claim? That feels kinda normal.
I feel like the not playing the Tron land thing is a bit dicey though.
I don't remember a game I've played in or read with more than one JOAT (unless you count my Full Deck Mafia...and most people didn't even count that as Mafia, so...). But this feels like the kind of game that could have more than one. But game design would have me leaning toward having a town JOAT and a scum JOAT. But two town JOATs aren't on the far side of possible. So this is mostly non-contributing to figuring out Az's alignment for me.
Why are you only now--after I called you out--finding elements of Az's claim to question?
This seems needlessly prickly and KCC is in the right here. Flavor isn’t that important here. I wouldn’t mind knowing the answer about Karn, but that’s not something that should really play into this.
It wasn't intended to come off as prickly. I guess I should have used a or something. The devil is in the details, so I want the details.
Also why does 2 JOATs with 2 separate functionalities considered a viable counter claim? That feels kinda normal.
I feel like the not playing the Tron land thing is a bit dicey though.
I don't remember a game I've played in or read with more than one JOAT (unless you count my Full Deck Mafia...and most people didn't even count that as Mafia, so...). But this feels like the kind of game that could have more than one. But game design would have me leaning toward having a town JOAT and a scum JOAT. But two town JOATs aren't on the far side of possible. So this is mostly non-contributing to figuring out Az's alignment for me.
Why are you only now--after I called you out--finding elements of Az's claim to question?
I am loosely following the thread atm due to my VLA. But I am questioning everything really?
Both the claim and the counter claim atm which I think is a fairly normal response.
Hypothetically if Az flips scum is being quickly ok with a claim from a player who I know will likely die and flip scum given people are already criticizing the claim at the time of my post really the easy and intuitive thing to do as scum?
Frankly, even with no overlap, it’s questionable design to put two Joats on the same team (of course now I’ll have to do so in a game).
I think for me it comes down to not wanting to be in limbo on Az’s slot until Day 3, only to hear about how something went wrong and he has nothing for us. And with the bomb claim we can’t even count on the role to self resolve.
Regardless of Az I agree that the counter claim in itself is likely from town.
Hypothetically if Az flips scum is being quickly ok with a claim from a player who I know will likely die and flip scum given people are already criticizing the claim at the time of my post really the easy and intuitive thing to do as scum?
Isn't Az being town a worse look for me?
I guess that depends on your experience and skill. My concern was that the only evaluation on your part was floating a possible excuse for why people are finding him underwhelming. Az claimed, and you came in to respond to Vaimes about Tom, indicated you'd move to Tom, then--as a BTW addendum--said you're "falling for" the claim (I *want* to read into that language, btw, but won't). There are, imo, a lot of weird elements to Az's claim, and you didn't seem curious about any of them.
Why would Az flipping town look worse for you? Town!Az can't safely be NK'd, so you'd have to deal with him via lunch, so scum!you wouldn't want to accept his claim.
To irritate KCC and Shadow: Az, you say you're "Tron". Just straight Tron? Eldrazi Tron? Mono-Blue Tron? Inquiring minds want to know!
As someone prone to getting lost in the weeds of people's claims, I feel like I can still safely say the only outstanding questions that actually matter are the ones Rhand asked.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
As someone prone to getting lost in the weeds of people's claims, I feel like I can still safely say the only outstanding questions that actually matter are the ones Rhand asked.
True. If it's just a role block, then we should probably lynch the more often scum ability, but if it's a role cop, we should also lynch the equally scummy ability, and if it's both, we should lynch the doubly scummy ability.
On the other hand, if the retaliation is automatic, that's a little too convenient and we should lynch, but if it's activated then we should also still lynch, because none of this is in anyway AI, except for his behavior, which has been very clearly not town.
As someone prone to getting lost in the weeds of people's claims, I feel like I can still safely say the only outstanding questions that actually matter are the ones Rhand asked.
True. If it's just a role block, then we should probably lynch the more often scum ability, but if it's a role cop, we should also lynch the equally scummy ability, and if it's both, we should lynch the doubly scummy ability.
On the other hand, if the retaliation is automatic, that's a little too convenient and we should lynch, but if it's activated then we should also still lynch, because none of this is in anyway AI, except for his behavior, which has been very clearly not town.
What do you think of Axelrod's post given what you responded just now?
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Also I don't know why a scum claim does this poorly on a Jack of All Trades ability. Like I am scum, I see I am being run up, I puke everything up? I claim a role cop/roleblock (why, just claim the role block part like a normal human as that is the provable part, you don't have to say you gain that information) and then also claiming normal cop out of all of the fake powers you could give. It's such a stupid claim. Like you have the power to set things up in topic why not lead with that.
It's such a stupid claim. I don't understand how any scum ever think this is good enough to claim as, and why they would overlap in this way. Still thinking though.
Cantripmancer - I said it was the worst part of the claim because I feel like it was a very bad play to just lay literally everything on the table like that.
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Why would a scum player ever claim the rolecop/roleblock exactly as Az did.
It makes the role less believable, and no one would ever know about the rolecop part. Just claim the roleblock. If you're making up roles, you never think to claim that. Role cop/cop in the same fake claim is... just so unusual from a scum thinking process.
Yeah this + the fact that Az didn't trigger me as scum as he was being ran up, I think this is a bad wagon.
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Barned me leaning town on Az's claim but kept his vote on Az, keeping him at -2.
Hi that's a scum move.
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As someone prone to getting lost in the weeds of people's claims, I feel like I can still safely say the only outstanding questions that actually matter are the ones Rhand asked.
True. If it's just a role block, then we should probably lynch the more often scum ability, but if it's a role cop, we should also lynch the equally scummy ability, and if it's both, we should lynch the doubly scummy ability.
On the other hand, if the retaliation is automatic, that's a little too convenient and we should lynch, but if it's activated then we should also still lynch, because none of this is in anyway AI, except for his behavior, which has been very clearly not town.
You're awesome.
I'm leaning toward still lunching Az, for the reasons already discussed plus one more that won't be persuasive to anyone else and that is best kept close to the vest for now.
Chris, can I get answers to those two questions, please?
EWP: Oh, there you are.
My bad for not being clear: I was barning the part where it's odd for scum!Az to make/fake a claim like that. That's one element, but there are others that make me still think he's scum.
Why would a scum player ever claim the rolecop/roleblock exactly as Az did.
It makes the role less believable, and no one would ever know about the rolecop part. Just claim the roleblock. If you're making up roles, you never think to claim that. Role cop/cop in the same fake claim is... just so unusual from a scum thinking process.
Yeah this + the fact that Az didn't trigger me as scum as he was being ran up, I think this is a bad wagon.
This might be the most compelling evidence towards Az being town.
I’ll look at Cantrip here shortly, was gonna ask for a reasonable place to pivot to if we decided against Az, but you beat me to it.
I’m still no where near thrilled at the idea of basically ignoring Az until LyLo or close to it, does that not have any bearing on your analysis? As well, do you think town has multiple JoaTs?
Honestly when I posted it I was like "why did I do that?" myself before shrugging and re-reading. Sometimes sleepy Chris plays 5D chess with even himself.
Also that's not what /barn means.
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Cantripmancer - I said it was the worst part of the claim because I feel like it was a very bad play to just lay literally everything on the table like that.
Why would a scum player ever claim the rolecop/roleblock exactly as Az did.
It makes the role less believable, and no one would ever know about the rolecop part. Just claim the roleblock. If you're making up roles, you never think to claim that. Role cop/cop in the same fake claim is... just so unusual from a scum thinking process.
Honestly when I posted it I was like "why did I do that?" myself before shrugging and re-reading. Sometimes sleepy Chris plays 5D chess with even himself.
Town could have multiple Jack of All Trades, especially in a high powered setup. Nothing says to the contrary. I don't think we need to leave Az until mylo or anything like that, I am sure there are many ways to look into him during the night phase other than murdering him after all.
If you are town Shadow, then I don't like Axel. Axel was already noted for being a bit 'eh' in you vs me if you are town, but his "rhand asks the good questions" or whatever that KCC filleted is bad.
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So I think Az is town but in that moment I am thinking of what would town do versus what scum does to live. I think it is more likely scum full claims like Az did as it is beneficial to town to not do that, so Az doing something that doesn't help town but helps his survival chances is +scum equity for the slot.
Outweighed by what he actually claimed and how he did it, but that's why I said it was the worst part of his claim.
/Barn means "total agreement" does it not? <_<.
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I actually can’t think of a Joat claim in recent memory from either alignment where the claimer listed everything up front, that does kind of bother me.
So I think Az is town but in that moment I am thinking of what would town do versus what scum does to live. I think it is more likely scum full claims like Az did as it is beneficial to town to not do that, so Az doing something that doesn't help town but helps his survival chances is +scum equity for the slot.
Outweighed by what he actually claimed and how he did it, but that's why I said it was the worst part of his claim.
I...feel pretty confident in saying that if I were town, I'd be more likely to fullclaim than when I was scum. Not a big fan of lying when I'm town.
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/Barn means "total agreement" does it not? <_<.
Yes, which is why I said it was my bad for not being clear on what part of your comment I was in agreement with. Note that later in that same post I made it clear that I wasn't sure where I stood, but was leaning scum. Don't cherry pick, please.
Also I don't know why a scum claim does this poorly on a Jack of All Trades ability. Like I am scum, I see I am being run up, I puke everything up? I claim a role cop/roleblock (why, just claim the role block part like a normal human as that is the provable part, you don't have to say you gain that information) and then also claiming normal cop out of all of the fake powers you could give. It's such a stupid claim. Like you have the power to set things up in topic why not lead with that.
It's such a stupid claim. I don't understand how any scum ever think this is good enough to claim as, and why they would overlap in this way. Still thinking though.
Cantripmancer - I said it was the worst part of the claim because I feel like it was a very bad play to just lay literally everything on the table like that.
Why would a scum player ever claim the rolecop/roleblock exactly as Az did.
It makes the role less believable, and no one would ever know about the rolecop part. Just claim the roleblock. If you're making up roles, you never think to claim that. Role cop/cop in the same fake claim is... just so unusual from a scum thinking process.
Yeah this + the fact that Az didn't trigger me as scum as he was being ran up, I think this is a bad wagon.
I am hesitant to let someone off because I think the claim is too strange to have come from scum. I understand what you are saying about - if he's scum why would he claim what he did when he might easily have claimed something less suspicious. But it just seems like he probably was trying to keep his claim as close to truth as possible, i.e he's got a roleblock/rolecop ability, and so claimed it that way instead of thinking "oh, I should probably not claim both of those things."
And then the 1-shot Cop claim - which I think is the most likely one to actually be a lie - would be because people are less likely to want to lynch a claimed Cop period.
There still is an issue or two with the way some of these abilities supposedly work, which is what I'm still interested in hearing.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I actually can’t think of a Joat claim in recent memory from either alignment where the claimer listed everything up front, that does kind of bother me.
Which JOATs are you thinking of/which of those were under pressure of lunch? I mean, Silver's in Hill House was partial, but that doesn't count; he just up and claimed.
I actually can’t think of a Joat claim in recent memory from either alignment where the claimer listed everything up front, that does kind of bother me.
Which JOATs are you thinking of/which of those were under pressure of lunch? I mean, Silver's in Hill House was partial, but that doesn't count; he just up and claimed.
I am going off memory, but the instances I vaguely recall were all like “I have x, y, and something else I don’t want to claim”. And Silvers does count, I didn’t specify claim under pressure, you did.
If my Az/beeboy reads are correct, it seems less likely to me that Shadow is scum due to his ego. He wouldn't so blatantly expose himself to a bad voting pattern day one like this by three big stakes on 3 town lynches as the game progressed it would be a really bad look for him. Same thing for KCC, I don't think you attack me with that level of earnest only to be wrong again and again as scum. Wisp is really the only up in the air for me at the moment on my own wagon but let's move onto the other wagons.
dk/rhand on both. I feel like rhand/Grapefruit has some buddy equity due to the reason why i voted Grapefruit originally: his vote on rhand. Grapefruit keeps being wrong on Rhand every day one and even despite my best efforts last game I couldn't get his jaws from around his throat day one. Then, in this game, with almost no prodding he let's it go with little fanfare. But maybe Rhand is just a bad voter today and it is Grapefruit feigning his usual read on rhand day 1 (and it is typical at this point) and Axel trying to convey interest that makes no sense (as KCC pointed out) that is the villain of this story.
if Shadow/Az is town on town, then people off wagon look bad as scum has less reason to care (Tom, Grapefruit, Fuwa, Axel, Wisp)
Actually god.
That list of five names.
If there aren't 2 scum there given my suspicions I'll eat my hat.
##vote: Grapefruit
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Could someone please hop off of Az as I work my way through day one, I don't want any happy accidents. Thanks.
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As someone prone to getting lost in the weeds of people's claims, I feel like I can still safely say the only outstanding questions that actually matter are the ones Rhand asked.
True. If it's just a role block, then we should probably lynch the more often scum ability, but if it's a role cop, we should also lynch the equally scummy ability, and if it's both, we should lynch the doubly scummy ability.
On the other hand, if the retaliation is automatic, that's a little too convenient and we should lynch, but if it's activated then we should also still lynch, because none of this is in anyway AI, except for his behavior, which has been very clearly not town.
What do you think of Axelrod's post given what you responded just now?
If you are town Shadow, then I don't like Axel. Axel was already noted for being a bit 'eh' in you vs me if you are town, but his "rhand asks the good questions" or whatever that KCC filleted is bad.
Maybe you didn't understand the context there, but there were two - kind of dumb - questions that people asked of Az. "Which Karn is your card?" and "What kind of Tron are you?" The second one was what prompted my post. I think the chances those questions have of getting any useful/clearing/incriminating information are virtually zero. But I did have a few other questions for Az after thinking about it some more, and turns out Rhand already asked - although I'm not sure he quite asked everything, but I was going to let Az reply before following up.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
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As far as my voting pattern here, I’m not exactly in agreement with you, but it would depend on my buddies and how well I could get away with powerwolfing. (@Chris)
I;m not your buddy this game so I am willing to limit that possibility for the moment.
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No, I think he is town and I am pressing scum reads Rhand.
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It's important to me exactly how this role supposedly works. Because as much as you pride yourself on identifying Townies, I pride myself on my ability to identify false-claims (and relatedly, identifying what claimed roles are Town v. Scum). And this one is not sitting right with me.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I'm tired and distracted. No real insight on anything, but I'm not willing to vote a claimed cop shot D1. I don't fully believe his claim but N3 isn't that far away.
Also my vig post was a joke. I hate tron with a passion. Too many lili's getting Karen's after checking their hand with thoughtseize.
I'm more bothered by the fact that it is essentially the same "flavor" as Thought-Knot Seer, but with a different effect, and having a role cop ability and a regular cop ability is a bit weird, and that's a tiny bit inelegant for me.
Frankly, even with no overlap, it’s questionable design to put two Joats on the same team (of course now I’ll have to do so in a game).
I think for me it comes down to not wanting to be in limbo on Az’s slot until Day 3, only to hear about how something went wrong and he has nothing for us. And with the bomb claim we can’t even count on the role to self resolve.
The claim just doesn't add up for me. I think he's probably lying about something, and the impending sense of doom that the public land drops convey (oh crap, he's almost achieved Tron...) feels more like a scum achievement than a town one. I don't think I want the "something bad" to happen if he gets there. Add that to relatively lackluster play up to this point (I know *excuses* but still) and we have a fairly simple calculus.
So, consider my vote there. But not voting yet.
I think that Az should specify which Karn.
I think you're generally right, but I don't think that precludes a 1-shot with restrictions.
/barn
Also /barn.
Triple /barn
I'm running out of /barns. /ba-- Wait, what? What do you mean here?
I am definitely torn on Az's claim. I'll feel like an absolute idiot if we lunch a town investigative role, but several elements that have already been discussed don't feel like they add up. I'd like to think on this a little bit. Leaning scum, still, but mostly from behavior.
Vaimes and Axel ++town from their reactions/questions, even more so if Az flips scum. DK still town. Vez still town.
Chris, why did you feel the need to post 887?
Az, Please respond to Rhand's 880 and specify which Karn your ability comes from.
I feel like the not playing the Tron land thing is a bit dicey though.
You play mafia your way and I'll play mine.
My role flavor wise isn’t like, the most cohesive. It makes some sense, but it’s a stretch.
Why are you only now--after I called you out--finding elements of Az's claim to question?
I am loosely following the thread atm due to my VLA. But I am questioning everything really?
Both the claim and the counter claim atm which I think is a fairly normal response.
Isn't Az being town a worse look for me?
Regardless of Az I agree that the counter claim in itself is likely from town.
Why would Az flipping town look worse for you? Town!Az can't safely be NK'd, so you'd have to deal with him via lunch, so scum!you wouldn't want to accept his claim.
To irritate KCC and Shadow: Az, you say you're "Tron". Just straight Tron? Eldrazi Tron? Mono-Blue Tron? Inquiring minds want to know!
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Azrael (7): Cantripmancer, KittyCupCake, Vaimes, Rhand, dkingsland967, vezokpiraka, shadowlancerx
shadowlancerx (4): Sir Chris, Azrael, killjoy, beeboy
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True. If it's just a role block, then we should probably lynch the more often scum ability, but if it's a role cop, we should also lynch the equally scummy ability, and if it's both, we should lynch the doubly scummy ability.
On the other hand, if the retaliation is automatic, that's a little too convenient and we should lynch, but if it's activated then we should also still lynch, because none of this is in anyway AI, except for his behavior, which has been very clearly not town.
What do you think of Axelrod's post given what you responded just now?
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It's such a stupid claim. I don't understand how any scum ever think this is good enough to claim as, and why they would overlap in this way. Still thinking though.
Cantripmancer - I said it was the worst part of the claim because I feel like it was a very bad play to just lay literally everything on the table like that.
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It makes the role less believable, and no one would ever know about the rolecop part. Just claim the roleblock. If you're making up roles, you never think to claim that. Role cop/cop in the same fake claim is... just so unusual from a scum thinking process.
Yeah this + the fact that Az didn't trigger me as scum as he was being ran up, I think this is a bad wagon.
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Barned me leaning town on Az's claim but kept his vote on Az, keeping him at -2.
Hi that's a scum move.
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I'm leaning toward still lunching Az, for the reasons already discussed plus one more that won't be persuasive to anyone else and that is best kept close to the vest for now.
Chris, can I get answers to those two questions, please?
EWP: Oh, there you are.
My bad for not being clear: I was barning the part where it's odd for scum!Az to make/fake a claim like that. That's one element, but there are others that make me still think he's scum.
Why'd you feel the need to make post 887?
I’ll look at Cantrip here shortly, was gonna ask for a reasonable place to pivot to if we decided against Az, but you beat me to it.
I’m still no where near thrilled at the idea of basically ignoring Az until LyLo or close to it, does that not have any bearing on your analysis? As well, do you think town has multiple JoaTs?
*looks*
Honestly when I posted it I was like "why did I do that?" myself before shrugging and re-reading. Sometimes sleepy Chris plays 5D chess with even himself.
Also that's not what /barn means.
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This is actually a good point...
Hrm.
? What does /barn mean, then?
If you are town Shadow, then I don't like Axel. Axel was already noted for being a bit 'eh' in you vs me if you are town, but his "rhand asks the good questions" or whatever that KCC filleted is bad.
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So I think Az is town but in that moment I am thinking of what would town do versus what scum does to live. I think it is more likely scum full claims like Az did as it is beneficial to town to not do that, so Az doing something that doesn't help town but helps his survival chances is +scum equity for the slot.
Outweighed by what he actually claimed and how he did it, but that's why I said it was the worst part of his claim.
/Barn means "total agreement" does it not? <_<.
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Chris what’s your take on Tom since his return?
Yes, which is why I said it was my bad for not being clear on what part of your comment I was in agreement with. Note that later in that same post I made it clear that I wasn't sure where I stood, but was leaning scum. Don't cherry pick, please.
And then the 1-shot Cop claim - which I think is the most likely one to actually be a lie - would be because people are less likely to want to lynch a claimed Cop period.
There still is an issue or two with the way some of these abilities supposedly work, which is what I'm still interested in hearing.
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If my Az/beeboy reads are correct, it seems less likely to me that Shadow is scum due to his ego. He wouldn't so blatantly expose himself to a bad voting pattern day one like this by three big stakes on 3 town lynches as the game progressed it would be a really bad look for him. Same thing for KCC, I don't think you attack me with that level of earnest only to be wrong again and again as scum. Wisp is really the only up in the air for me at the moment on my own wagon but let's move onto the other wagons.
dk/rhand on both. I feel like rhand/Grapefruit has some buddy equity due to the reason why i voted Grapefruit originally: his vote on rhand. Grapefruit keeps being wrong on Rhand every day one and even despite my best efforts last game I couldn't get his jaws from around his throat day one. Then, in this game, with almost no prodding he let's it go with little fanfare. But maybe Rhand is just a bad voter today and it is Grapefruit feigning his usual read on rhand day 1 (and it is typical at this point) and Axel trying to convey interest that makes no sense (as KCC pointed out) that is the villain of this story.
if Shadow/Az is town on town, then people off wagon look bad as scum has less reason to care (Tom, Grapefruit, Fuwa, Axel, Wisp)
Actually god.
That list of five names.
If there aren't 2 scum there given my suspicions I'll eat my hat.
##vote: Grapefruit
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Can we have Az answer them first please?
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I think his claim is fake and I am looking into that. More talk about it without Az responding will dilute his answer.