Yes, as we all know Vaimes you don't change your game from one scum game (DitF) to the next (Game of Thrones)
Meaning, Shadow can as well.
Also Scum Shadow last game was a giant ass to me. So no, I don't know that.
Denied.
That I was, figured it would get you to town read me. And it worked. I don’t think it would work again. I’ve pushed you here cause I don’t know your alignment, and I think you’ve had some questionable posts.
For the record "got myself killed" was "recovering from a trip to the ER" so you can show a little bit more respect for my situation.
Secondly, no you just said "Scum suck up to you." Just last game this was 100% false. Your logic is bad. Period. Denied, Vaimes.
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Yes, as we all know Vaimes you don't change your game from one scum game (DitF) to the next (Game of Thrones)
Meaning, Shadow can as well.
Also Scum Shadow last game was a giant ass to me. So no, I don't know that.
Denied.
That I was, figured it would get you to town read me. And it worked. I don’t think it would work again. I’ve pushed you here cause I don’t know your alignment, and I think you’ve had some questionable posts.
No, you said it was garbage. Garbage, Shadow. Not questionable. Garbage. No take backs now, lad.
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What post of mine made you go from your initial reaction of being lukewarm to trash? Next, what post of mine made you go from trash to "questionable" please cite specific examples and explain yourself for both shifts of read.
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Chris, calm your socks. It’s still a game. If you’re town, show me a little bit of respect, because as much as making a fool of you a second time would be funny, it’s not helpful.
I feel like a lot of the Shadow defense is people constantly saying he won't be lynched and is town without anything to really back it up.
When I asked for why I shouldn't lynch him I got "he just feels town" and like I totally think those reasons can come from town but I also don't get how anyone could possibly think that is even slightly persuasive.
We kinda forgot about Tom after he started lurking.
Honestly Chirs' complete tunnel on Shadow feels townie to me? It's hard to explain it but there is a difference between wolf and town being stubborn and he is 100% town here.
I forget how many people are in this game and if that's enough scum but yeah. That's my scum right now until you answer for yourself.
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I feel like a lot of the Shadow defense is people constantly saying he won't be lynched and is town without anything to really back it up.
When I asked for why I shouldn't lynch him I got "he just feels town" and like I totally think those reasons can come from town but I also don't get how anyone could possibly think that is even slightly persuasive.
We kinda forgot about Tom after he started lurking.
Honestly Chirs' complete tunnel on Shadow feels townie to me? It's hard to explain it but there is a difference between wolf and town being stubborn and he is 100% town here.
>"he feels town" is unconvincing!
>Chris feels town here
@Chris: Yeah, I didn’t like it because imo it was bad. I called it garbage because you were pushing against my push for reasoning that still doesn’t make sense to me.
Beeboy gave a reasoning for why I am town, no one has on Shadow yet. Simple difference, Vaimes.
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Wisp: Shadow has posted 92 times. Give me the three you think best show his town-ness.
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Tom being not present isn’t actually worrying me. Him not going above 3 votes when every other wagon has is definitely something to look at later. Still don’t want to lynch him today.
Tom being not present isn’t actually worrying me. Him not going above 3 votes when every other wagon has is definitely something to look at later. Still don’t want to lynch him today.
Is there a reason based on his posts in this game?
Beeboy gave a reasoning for why I am town, no one has on Shadow yet. Simple difference, Vaimes.
Okay? Is beeboy preaching the gospel or something?
People have definitely commented on why shadow could be town. No, I'm not going to dig them up for you.
Then go enjoy one of your other hobbies and stay out of my way. I am not going to take my advice on how I pursue my suspects from a marginal town player at best and a scum trying to lead me off the track at worst. It's okay, I've got this.
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Tom being not present isn’t actually worrying me. Him not going above 3 votes when every other wagon has is definitely something to look at later. Still don’t want to lynch him today.
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There I found another scum suspect.
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Beeboy gave a reasoning for why I am town, no one has on Shadow yet. Simple difference, Vaimes.
Okay? Is beeboy preaching the gospel or something?
People have definitely commented on why shadow could be town. No, I'm not going to dig them up for you.
I mean I think the point is there shouldn't be an expectation in place that this wagon dissolves without a real defense in defense of shadow.
He has almost 100 posts you can pull up to support your argument.
And even ignoring Shadow's alignment entirely, despite thinking Az is below average in terms on play the case on him isn't actually being fought for its being fought for as the "not shadow" option.
"shadow is town"
"this lynch won't happen"
and repeating that in hopes that thought gets into people's heads isn't actually mafia.
What post of mine made you go from your initial reaction of being lukewarm to trash? Next, what post of mine made you go from trash to "questionable" please cite specific examples and explain yourself for both shifts of read.
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Mafia is not played with promises and assurances. Either explain your reasoning or die. Those are your options.
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While I appreciate it. It kind of defeats the purpose to pick someone based solely on my posts.
Also, why has your tunnel gotten stronger on me? If you’re trying to prove something, you can stop. You’re wasting your time, promise.
I mean like I am asking people to engage me about you and trying to bring up alternatives like Tom who I am not currently happy about lurking in response to his wagon. Which if you are town is clearly a working strategy on his part.
Like I don't mean to be tunneling you here to be a rude but my options right now are just drop my read and accept what's currently being presented to me. Or push you.
if I dived into a shadow ISO, it would literally just a be a long list of things, pretty close to almost everything, outside small things that ping me that were already stated, like him calling your read garbage
he is asking questions, pushing things, re-evaluating things, pointing out lurkers, pinging people, answering questions
I really aint trying attack your thoughts, and maybe I am pocketed, but like tunneling is bad
and if you are wolf, you surely don't aggressively tunnel on a player like this, expecting to live more than a day if this is wolf you pushing town Shadow
tell me, is there nothing townie you see in Shadow's posts, and tell me, that this isnt just more than a pride thing, when you keep bringng up the, "you only get once chance"
You don't find scum of Shadow's class by not pressuring them early. His defenses have been poor. He is more than capable of doing the things you say he is doing as scum - he proved it last game. I want every last receipt. Also tunneling is just fine when someone like me uses it. Do not mistake me for Iso, please.
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I think you should move away from Shadow, like there is almost no-scenario where we lynch top posting shadow, he has every right to say things like, "we aren't lynching me", it doesn't matter if you think he is a wolf or not, because surely if he is town than the wolves will target him with their KP anyways
we only win if he is a wolf, and that win almost never comes unless the wolves are also bussing him, lynching him is almost certainly going to be a loss
tom is also pointless to be on because he is another player that doesnt get lynched day 1, and I want to say lurking is NAI for him, though I would love more thoughts from him
You don't find scum of Shadow's class by not pressuring them early. His defenses have been poor. He is more than capable of doing the things you say he is doing as scum - he proved it last game. I want every last receipt. Also tunneling is just fine when someone like me uses it. Do not mistake me for Iso, please.
first off you are wrong, I did find him, but I was at times very disconnected from that game, and I absolutely stated my distaste in lynching Rhand, even though I mistakenly hammered him
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Do you really have a problem with Shadow answering my questions?
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Do you really have a problem with Shadow answering my questions?
Is there really some answer I can give to you that would magically stop your tunnel on me? I don’t think there is, but if you think there’s a purpose then tell me.
I cannot be the only one seeing that Shadow is flat out refusing to answer my reasonable question about his progression on me, right? Guys? I just asked him to explain his read of me. I didn't ask a trap question or the impossible. He progressed on me and I asked why. Now he is stalling.
Just answer, Shadow. It's not a complicated request.
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Also surely as someone who knows me as you know me, you know I have never been one to tunnel unduly long if someone is town. It's simply not in my history. So let's not act as if I am the type of player who often just tunnels town all day. I have never been that player.
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@Wisp If I wanted to play in an environment where I wasn't allowed to lynch players for arbitrary reasons I'd still be playing on mafiascum. I don't mean to disregard what you want but I don't feel like I am crossing any lines here.
Like I've said why I think Shadow is scum, I get he has a high post count but whenever I used to top post I never felt like I had a right to not be lynched for it.
I think Tom is lurking out his wagon and also have my reasons to think he is scum. :/
I am not just going to chain lynch all the high profile players for the memes to try and get a deep wolf and not adjust if I am wrong.
in a world where either Shadow or Chris are a wolf, since they are never aligned, or this one of the better scum theaters ive seen, then there are still what, 2 or 3 other mafia? they are probably lingering in the lurkers, or somewhere in between, but we are focused on them, these "arbitary" reasons exist to stop people from doing stupid things, and lastly I am not saying Shadow is bold-faced lock town, just that his content aligns very well with his post count as well, its not just simply a high post count read
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I am not just going to chain lynch all the high profile players for the memes to try and get a deep wolf and not adjust if I am wrong.
lmao I have never implied this but ok
I doubt wolf tom is thinking, "you know what, the best way to manipulate town is to not post at all, that will rustle their jimmies"
also how the hell am I down right scummy? @Grape
(didn't notice this till just now)
downright scummy feels more than 50% sure in terms of confidence, yet you couldn't put a read with it?
You're always scummy. It's your default state of being and with your insane vote hopping happening right now you're finally looking scummy. I haven't had a chance to see if this is the normal scatterbrained wisp or if this is desperately looking for something to sink his teeth into Wisp, but the voting pattern is gross. Same for Shadow and tom. Lot of scummy looking voters this game.
Why is top posting such an issue? I grant that as a tiebreaker you default to it, but people (wisp) are using it as a I won't touch that because, without presenting a viable alternative. I guess Wisp is voting Az but entirety of his grievance there seems to be that Az voted him without explaining it, which is not the strongest reason I've seen to vote someone.
I don't have a strong read on Az but this wagon has just cropped up over almost nothing and that always worries me.
how many wolves, especially someone as self-aware as me, just decides throwing around blanket votes is the best way to be less conspicuous kek
Because someone as self aware as you knows that is your town meta and people will expect you to be level 0 scummy as town...
Like why is that a defense. Look I've been wrong on you so many times that I'm not really sold on this at all, but I'm more than happy to point out that moving your vote the way you have is level 0 scum behavior. That doesn't equate to me actively scum reading you.
Also surely as someone who knows me as you know me, you know I have never been one to tunnel unduly long if someone is town. It's simply not in my history. So let's not act as if I am the type of player who often just tunnels town all day. I have never been that player.
You’ve literally said you’re not going to change your mind today. I think it’s personal for you and you don’t want to admit that.
Oh. So from lukewarm, I re-examined and heard some other input from players who also didn’t like your reasoning (KCC being prominent here). Along with it coinciding with my push on Beeboy, and I thought to myself “hang on a minute, those reasons really were not good at all” and so I called them garbage. And then I used the term “questionable” almost solely because you got so uppity about me calling it a garbage. Still think it’s a baseless read, even if it is right. Could be a product of you being better at inferring things than I am, I’m not so vain as to not consider that.
But yeah, if it’s just a matter of me being wrong then questionable is more fitting.
What post of mine made you go from your initial reaction of being lukewarm to trash? Next, what post of mine made you go from trash to "questionable" please cite specific examples and explain yourself for both shifts of read.
I suppose this may be the question of the hour, so I'm going to get my own take on it. Later.
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Secondly, no you just said "Scum suck up to you." Just last game this was 100% false. Your logic is bad. Period. Denied, Vaimes.
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No, you said it was garbage. Garbage, Shadow. Not questionable. Garbage. No take backs now, lad.
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SHADOW.
What post of mine made you go from your initial reaction of being lukewarm to trash? Next, what post of mine made you go from trash to "questionable" please cite specific examples and explain yourself for both shifts of read.
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And I was talking about Az, not shadow. Az siding with you is meaningless.
Now who’s your next strongest scum read?
When I asked for why I shouldn't lynch him I got "he just feels town" and like I totally think those reasons can come from town but I also don't get how anyone could possibly think that is even slightly persuasive.
We kinda forgot about Tom after he started lurking.
Honestly Chirs' complete tunnel on Shadow feels townie to me? It's hard to explain it but there is a difference between wolf and town being stubborn and he is 100% town here.
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I forget how many people are in this game and if that's enough scum but yeah. That's my scum right now until you answer for yourself.
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>Chris feels town here
We're all hooked on a feeling.
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Unless I get a reason to think Shadow is town that's my compromise atm.
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People have definitely commented on why shadow could be town. No, I'm not going to dig them up for you.
Is there a reason based on his posts in this game?
Then go enjoy one of your other hobbies and stay out of my way. I am not going to take my advice on how I pursue my suspects from a marginal town player at best and a scum trying to lead me off the track at worst. It's okay, I've got this.
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There I found another scum suspect.
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I probably will just let you two work this out, since you tend to get unreasonably prickly when you're tunneling.
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I mean I think the point is there shouldn't be an expectation in place that this wagon dissolves without a real defense in defense of shadow.
He has almost 100 posts you can pull up to support your argument.
And even ignoring Shadow's alignment entirely, despite thinking Az is below average in terms on play the case on him isn't actually being fought for its being fought for as the "not shadow" option.
"shadow is town"
"this lynch won't happen"
and repeating that in hopes that thought gets into people's heads isn't actually mafia.
Also, why has your tunnel gotten stronger on me? If you’re trying to prove something, you can stop. You’re wasting your time, promise.
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I mean like I am asking people to engage me about you and trying to bring up alternatives like Tom who I am not currently happy about lurking in response to his wagon. Which if you are town is clearly a working strategy on his part.
Like I don't mean to be tunneling you here to be a rude but my options right now are just drop my read and accept what's currently being presented to me. Or push you.
he is asking questions, pushing things, re-evaluating things, pointing out lurkers, pinging people, answering questions
I really aint trying attack your thoughts, and maybe I am pocketed, but like tunneling is bad
and if you are wolf, you surely don't aggressively tunnel on a player like this, expecting to live more than a day if this is wolf you pushing town Shadow
tell me, is there nothing townie you see in Shadow's posts, and tell me, that this isnt just more than a pride thing, when you keep bringng up the, "you only get once chance"
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I think you should move away from Shadow, like there is almost no-scenario where we lynch top posting shadow, he has every right to say things like, "we aren't lynching me", it doesn't matter if you think he is a wolf or not, because surely if he is town than the wolves will target him with their KP anyways
we only win if he is a wolf, and that win almost never comes unless the wolves are also bussing him, lynching him is almost certainly going to be a loss
tom is also pointless to be on because he is another player that doesnt get lynched day 1, and I want to say lurking is NAI for him, though I would love more thoughts from him
join the AZ wagon, or move somewhere else
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Just answer, Shadow. It's not a complicated request.
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Like I've said why I think Shadow is scum, I get he has a high post count but whenever I used to top post I never felt like I had a right to not be lynched for it.
I think Tom is lurking out his wagon and also have my reasons to think he is scum. :/
I am not just going to chain lynch all the high profile players for the memes to try and get a deep wolf and not adjust if I am wrong.
lmao I have never implied this but ok
I doubt wolf tom is thinking, "you know what, the best way to manipulate town is to not post at all, that will rustle their jimmies"
Nothing off hand, but that wagon is giving me all sorts of bad vibes.
You're always scummy. It's your default state of being and with your insane vote hopping happening right now you're finally looking scummy. I haven't had a chance to see if this is the normal scatterbrained wisp or if this is desperately looking for something to sink his teeth into Wisp, but the voting pattern is gross. Same for Shadow and tom. Lot of scummy looking voters this game.
I don't have a strong read on Az but this wagon has just cropped up over almost nothing and that always worries me.
Because someone as self aware as you knows that is your town meta and people will expect you to be level 0 scummy as town...
Like why is that a defense. Look I've been wrong on you so many times that I'm not really sold on this at all, but I'm more than happy to point out that moving your vote the way you have is level 0 scum behavior. That doesn't equate to me actively scum reading you.
But yeah, I’ll answer you.
Oh. So from lukewarm, I re-examined and heard some other input from players who also didn’t like your reasoning (KCC being prominent here). Along with it coinciding with my push on Beeboy, and I thought to myself “hang on a minute, those reasons really were not good at all” and so I called them garbage. And then I used the term “questionable” almost solely because you got so uppity about me calling it a garbage. Still think it’s a baseless read, even if it is right. Could be a product of you being better at inferring things than I am, I’m not so vain as to not consider that.
But yeah, if it’s just a matter of me being wrong then questionable is more fitting.
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shadowlancerx (5): Sir Chris, Azrael, killjoy, beeboy, Grapefruit21
tomsloger (2): Rhand, Axelrod
beeboy (2): dkingsland967, tomsloger
Killjoy (1): vezokpiraka
Sir Chris (1): Fuwa
Abstain (0)
With 16 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch.
Day 1 will end on Friday, August 16th, at 11:59 PM.
Fuwa V/LA until deadline
Lastwhisper V/LA until deadline
Rhand V/LA until the 12th
I'm not just throwing my vote around anywhere.
As for shadow, that's the absolute last person I would vote here.
I suppose this may be the question of the hour, so I'm going to get my own take on it. Later.