MTG Salvation

Ah. Well I had nothing on him to start so that was OK, he annoyed me with his read of me, and then he barned me and kept his vote on Az which didn't make sense.

I see a lot of talking and not a lot of dead bodies.

I want Fuwa to claim what she did last Night (if anything).

It's not fishing if you're about to be lunched or vigged lmao.

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As scum I see a massive amount of town voting for him and go "welp, time to bus" because really it is the only viable move. By not bussing there and hoping to save him I only made people look good that were not myself or Az.

As scum, I doubt either of you would be at all concerned with a lynch actually happening. Wagons were rapidly forming and breaking all day. 90% of the time, Az drops one wall post like he did, and town gets bogged down analyzing it, or gets scared off by cop claim, or gives him a chance to produce those deep reads, or gets distracted by another late day wagon, ect.

I don't think you saw it as a risk, because after all, in the very unlikely event he does still go down, you can just say you'd never ever do that as scum.

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Might shoot him idk yet

Please?

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@kcc
Just noticed ur post, idk when I'll get a chance to find actually posts, to push my case, I'll try tonight

It doesn't necessarily need to be a quotewall. Sure, if you want to do it that way, it's fine. But a thorough summary would be okay too.

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You are going to shoot me and when I flip town you are going to pray that the town collective gives you a pass and blames me.

I hope they do not.

Oooooh, intimidating.

Tom, I give you one free pass to shoot Chris. And if he's somehow Town, I will personally destroy anyone who tries to hold that against you

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(@People with definitive night actions, sort Chris please.)

Or.... Definitive day actions

KCC you actively make me want to post less.

Like, it is one thing to think I am scum - I am used to suspicion - but you are actively going out of your way to be rude and to diminish my impact in the game with your behavior. Like I am active, I am answering questions, I am trying to solve, and it is like "lol doesn't matter." Thank you for making my mafia experience worse. And it isn't an alignment thing, you just said if I am town it doesn't matter. It's just hurtful tbh.

You cannot find literally one time I told someone "if you are town I am going to ignore you."

Period.

In fact even when I am in a tunnel I ask for town thoughts. Please don't try to ref if you don't understand my play history, ty.

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you just said if I am town it doesn't matter. It's just hurtful tbh.

Nooo, I said if you are town, we're just not attacking Tom for doing his job.

AtE is not going to work here either

You should probably attack Tom for a claim that popped up day 2 after we lynch a scum where we know town has conditional powers off of town lynches and because he has made the entire day about him and shooting me is like, the best scum shot that's justified right now.

Basically what I am saying is Tom is pretty much scum no matter what here to me unless he shoots like, scum dkings because that's an off the wall shot that nets scum. It isnt because I am going to flip town that I suddenly say 'oh man tom is bad.' I am saying 'hey once you know I am town, btw tom is probably scum.'

Like I attacked town tom for days in death in the family and he declined to attack me at every turn there even though I was being wrong about him. Tom is actually pretty good at reading me, so him red reading me here is telling to me. Just letting you know.

Also appeal to emotion and appeal to logic seem equally ineffective, so I am just posting.

I feel mildly strongly about tom being scum tbh.

I like you this game Vaimes.

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I like you this game Vaimes.

I'm gonna make sure he gets lunched before endgame, but I'll speed it up if he kills you and you flip town.

I guess you're kind of scummy but man I don't know what scum!Chris was doing with Azrael yesterDay.

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Um what? That’s quite a leap to scum!tom there Chris.
Why not just...not claim it at all?

Because scum is behind and finding someone who is suspected and town to shoot increases their odds of winning the game and also Tom was under a lot of pressure and also weren't you voting Tom what the hell Shadow.

Vaimes thank you, I appreciate that.

Those kinda reads are so gross
Also idk how to deal with AtE, usually I just unvote *cries*

The vigilante argument still feels like insane TMI, but idk why Chris does that as aprtners with Azreal

**** man, the mechanical arguement just feels so weird

I can at least confirm that I am a very weird person who comes up with weird ideas.

You can feel free to ignore anything you feel falls under AtE, this goes for everyone. That was really meant for post my flip than pre. I don't expect anyone to read into it before that, and I was just being true to my feelings.

If Chris flips town and that read ends up being true, I will never doubt Chris' ability ever again kek

Vaimes reads annoy me, but he's still >town based off meta and his overall content

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Those kinda reads are so gross
Also idk how to deal with AtE, usually I just unvote *cries*

The vigilante argument still feels like insane TMI, but idk why Chris does that as aprtners with Azreal

**** man, the mechanical arguement just feels so weird

As someone who usually plays against you as scum, you really don’t strike me as the type to give a ***** about AtE.

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Those kinda reads are so gross
Also idk how to deal with AtE, usually I just unvote *cries*

The vigilante argument still feels like insane TMI, but idk why Chris does that as aprtners with Azreal

**** man, the mechanical arguement just feels so weird

As someone who usually plays against you as scum, you really don’t strike me as the type to give a ***** about AtE.

wanna bet? I don't do well with AtE, it's probably never been a problem here because y'all never do it, but I'm my home site it's a mildly frustrating problem

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You should probably attack Tom for a claim that popped up day 2 after we lynch a scum where we know town has conditional powers off of town lynches

We can analyze his claim when we get to that bridge.

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Also appeal to emotion and appeal to logic seem equally ineffective, so I am just posting.

You said yourself that you'd be a good shot. You are easily the single most informative flip at this point. I don't understand why you are suddenly acting offended.

Why? Because I responded harshly to you trying to scare Tom off of you?

Sure, I felt a little bad Yesterday for laughing at Az's wall post, but if I hadn't, he probably wiggles out of that lynch. So, it's hard to be too upset about this sort of thing

KCC I just want to be clear. I am literally calling the person with the shot scum. I am not trying to scare Tom in any way, in fact you saying it now is the first time that even came to me. Because he is for sure going to shoot me and I am for sure going to flip town. Like, Tom knew from the start once he re-read I was a great shot to take as scum.

As I said though, shooting me is not why Tom is scum.

So why is Tom scum, outside the whole mechanical reason?

I would suggest reading the post I voted Tom in for why I think Tom is scum. Also because I have quite a large town pile.

I'm like, super scared of a tom/Az/KCC/Cantrip team.

I don't expect it to be likely but felt the need to say it.

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So why is Tom scum, outside the whole mechanical reason?

I have a redcheck on him?

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KCC I just want to be clear. I am literally calling the person with the shot scum. I am not trying to scare Tom in any way, in fact you saying it now is the first time that even came to me. Because he is for sure going to shoot me and I am for sure going to flip town. Like, Tom knew from the start once he re-read I was a great shot to take as scum.

As I said though, shooting me is not why Tom is scum.

Okay, your concern and read are noted.

I still think you are the best shot, even if you are right. Perhaps especially if you are right.

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So why is Tom scum, outside the whole mechanical reason?

I have a redcheck on him?

! !

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So why is Tom scum, outside the whole mechanical reason?

I have a redcheck on him?

Nani?

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KCC I just want to be clear. I am literally calling the person with the shot scum. I am not trying to scare Tom in any way, in fact you saying it now is the first time that even came to me. Because he is for sure going to shoot me and I am for sure going to flip town. Like, Tom knew from the start once he re-read I was a great shot to take as scum.

As I said though, shooting me is not why Tom is scum.

Okay, your concern and read are noted.

I still think you are the best shot, even if you are right. Perhaps especially if you are right.

Thank you for that. That is all I can ask.

(If I had a red check on tom, I would wait until after his shot to claim it.)

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(If I had a red check on tom, I would wait until after his shot to claim it.)

in the hypothetical that this was real, I wouldn't believe it

I think tom is more likely town then not, and hard cop checks are very rarely seen without some kind of gate

Also why would you wait till after he shot if you did know he was red, again hypothetically speaking

Also I remember that many of you don't watch anime, or know Japanese, Nani = what, so my bad

Because he’d probably shoot me?

More

I will gladly trade my life for a Tom lynch. All in service of town. As I said, perhaps I am not as ego-driven as some may think.

Then he will not shoot me, because Tom can read me. Tom will shoot dkings if he is town.

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Because he’d probably shoot me?

why would a wolf!tom shoot you, after claiming a day vig, if you gave out a red check, that's literally suicidal

I know Tom likes to open wolf a lot, but that's too much for even him

And the benefit doesn't outway the negative

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I would suggest reading the post I voted Tom in for why I think Tom is scum. Also because I have quite a large town pile.

This one??

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Actually I am kind of tunneling Grapefruit so I am going to stop doing that.

##vote: Tom

*Furrows brow*

Does it not concern you that you found that before Wisp, the person I was talking to?

Anyway since I forgot where I posted it (maybe it was start of day) the whole hammer time/'oh oops sorry vezok' seemed not genuine at all to me.

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Tom's "oh man shouldn't have hammered in case he is town for Vezok" feels super scum.

Is this your case??

Ur point makes no sense
"Tom is never wrong about me, so him shooting me outs him as a wolf"
That's not a real read