I kind of want to kill LW just because bad votes and his logic is non-existent, but I'm afraid that his defense of "lol, that's just how I am and you can suck it" is virtually unassailable.
killing me would be bad, and you must be thinking of my brother because very rarely do I defend some of my non-sensical behavior in that manner
where exactly do you see non-existence logic? and where are these bad votes? the only vote I could probably see as bad was my Fuwa vote
I've also almost stopped completely in making super detailed wolf pushes because I've learned that I am not good at giving reasons that make people actually want to vote with me
big trains bring more information? and the more likely we are to get more thoughts from him, and reactions? Hence we get more reason to debate if he should actually be shot?
Of course shooting later is better than early, you have more information. In a game like this it is likely power will catch scum and if you don't reveal your shot day 2 you can shoot for sure scum on a later day or keep it in your pocket for when reads crystalize. Shooting later is so much better later that is disgusts me tht it is seen as "dumb" for me to believe otherwise. Having more information to aim at someone makes total sense.
I must have missed this conversation. I am going to go find it, because as a general rule I am totally team "keep in your pants for as long as possible." I believe this attitude got me day-vigged once because essentially no one agreed with me.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Like every part of me wanted to open the day with the shot and see what happens
But im being responsible.
I never did catch up yesterday and the 5 or so pages im missing are the meat of the AZ wagon lol
It says something, I think, that this actually makes you feel more scummy, not less, imo. I think town!Tom is more likely to just take the shot and ride out the backlash/bask in accolades.
I am going to take a moment to say that Az was not playing nearly good enough for me not to bus him as scum.
I mean really at this point I am just insulted for scum Chris. He's won multiple awards you know.
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I kind of want to kill LW just because bad votes and his logic is non-existent, but I'm afraid that his defense of "lol, that's just how I am and you can suck it" is virtually unassailable.
What the **** are you talking about? Literally that was because everyone yelled at me and thus made me realize it was an unpopular opinion. Real read dude.
Also it is a killing role, not an information role. Shooting town hurts town. Lynching town hurts town. Dead town is bad for town. THE END. Period. You can't get dead town back. Give me watcher, tracker, cop, detective, any of those over a shot especially early game.
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I find it likely Tom is scum who got a day vig because we successfully lynched scum (the evil version of Vezok's condition) and also if he has a dayvig it is probably low EV to use it today as town. In a high powered setup much better to use it later on but since I think he is scum and is trying to "prove himself" then anyone who is not in my town confirm is fine.
Which maybe suggests that (in Tom's opinion?) no one (who was any good?) could possibly think it would be better to shoot later? Or maybe he's giving an opinion about you specifically for some reason.
So I'm not sure where all the doom and gloom came from in #1549. No one (except Vezok) said it was dumb. And Vezok is not exactly the greatest arbiter of what is and isn't good play.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I agree technically that waiting longer to use a vig shot improves the chances of hitting scum with it
But how is that even the most important consideration?
More town controlled kills early makes every lynch and night action afterward better informed.
Like the point isnt getting it right its attempting to win the game yo
Also just gonna note that at first it was scummy of me to want to shoot now chris acknowledges he knows he has an unpopular opinion
Not a real read
Not sure if this is a discussion worth having, but your argument is circular. More lynches and Night Kills makes every vig-shot more informed also. And I would argue that a correct vig. shot is way, way more beneficial for the Town.
Like I said, I got vigged myself once for arguing this. Though, that was on D1 when we had the least amount of info., which was rather a large part of my argument. I will concede that we have more to work with now.
Also, you didn't answer my questions?
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Oh, Cantripmancer somehow avoided my list both ways. He's probably ok for now.
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So yeah if someone else wants to case me, all good. Cantripmancer once again finds himself lost in a desert when it comes to me for some reason or another.
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Barned me leaning town on Az's claim but kept his vote on Az, keeping him at -2.
Hi that's a scum move.
can you explain to me your progression here? @Chris
makes it really hard to believe this read is anything but fake
You telling me that in your decades of playing this hasnt come up before? Every vig ever has used their shots early and this is some new thought?
Can point you to another game where I had a 1-shot vig and never used it. Whole game. Town won too.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Im still not wrong, and I'm not talking about his overall content with that post, because they vary between really good and really bad
I stand by opinion
I kind of want to kill LW just because bad votes and his logic is non-existent, but I'm afraid that his defense of "lol, that's just how I am and you can suck it" is virtually unassailable.
Which is why I'm having a hard time sorting out how much I want him vigged because I think he's scummy, and how much is because I just don't want to have to try and figure him out.
Cantripmancer - I guess if you want to think I'd use that tactic to make people less interested in voting for him I'd do that. Honestly as his scum buddy at that point I might just claim masons with him or something if I am going to go through all of that trouble. I seek conflict in mafia, Az train was boring and if he was scum I thought to myself he isn't a threat and I always lean towards bad play being town until proven otherwise. I guess what is the problem here is people aren't understanding my mindset. To me, just like last game, it is harmless to rail against bad scum play because they die anyway. So I learn things about other people along the way. It is a reason why "fuwa is a good shot" pings me from dkings is because I felt that was one of the better pieces of information we learned by me being stubborn against Az. I have a good faith belief that me being against the Az lynch was better for town in the long run than me being for it. All I care about is town's success, even if I apparently look like a horrible player in the process. My WIM may drained, but I still care about town.
Explain more on what you felt was one of the better pieces of info we learned from how you treated the Az wagon? And ftr, I don't feel like you've lacked contribution, but I certainly haven't seen much in the way of scumhunting or world building, especially toDay, which feels like a contrast to Hill House.
The scum read of the situation was not entirely based on the vig shot. I was already scum reading you for end of day, and I liked my meta of scum gaining a vig shot after scum was lynched and in fact still do think that'd be a neat way to reduce the swing of the game. Especially given that you have this "it is better early" mentality but apparently didn't think to use it yestrerday for the epic reads. So yeah, not a fake read.
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I think i remember your questions being about role so that would be why i didnt answer
Because answering questions about your role (when you have already claimed day-vig.) would give the scum TMI?
Wasn't that Az's response?
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Cantripmancer I'll be honest, it isn't my fault that I have a very long track record of how I play the game. Like I want you to think about something. I am being told that Chris/Az is so confident that I wouldn't play good day one. Then you see how Az played and despite that a scum Chris never loses confidence.
It's like people are going through hoops to say I am scum. It really amazes me.
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@Cantrip
"but what if he is town?" then we still have information, it sucks, but it's not the worst possible outcome
are you saying this in response to me wanting to put a train on him? or in response to him being a good shot target?
if we sit on the all the "what ifs", we won't get anywhere
Explain more on what you felt was one of the better pieces of info we learned from how you treated the Az wagon? And ftr, I don't feel like you've lacked contribution, but I certainly haven't seen much in the way of scumhunting or world building, especially toDay, which feels like a contrast to Hill House.
So, two people who I think really improved their standing in the game at large are Axel and Fuwa. Fuwa was just someone who was doing nothing but by forcing that train it really polarized their alignment in relation to Az. That being scum/scum seems kind of absurd to think about given the velocity of movement and also I have to believe Fuwa is the one that takes the fall there if it was scum/scum due to player reputation.
Axel's rage at me defending Fuwa is also a really, really good look given the wagons. Axel went from maybe playing the field to "oh man, he just went hard on defending Fuwa when it is very possible Fuwa could have died if he chose to vote them there as scum."
Other people I had feelings about one way or another, but those two developed only because I chose friction. Also because I suck and thought Az was town.
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But GoT I was hospitalized, if it makes you feel better.
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You will respect that, given my current feelings, this answer does not inspire me with confidence.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Cantripmancer I'll be honest, it isn't my fault that I have a very long track record of how I play the game. Like I want you to think about something. I am being told that Chris/Az is so confident that I wouldn't play good day one. Then you see how Az played and despite that a scum Chris never loses confidence.
It's like people are going through hoops to say I am scum. It really amazes me.
I feel like you're telling me that a very basic level read of your choices is accurate, that is, you defending Az was because you thought he would never claim so poorly as scum. How are you amazed that multiple players (me especially) are drinking the wine (either correctly or not) and saying "aha, but scum!Chris is wily; he might think he could get away with defending a buddy who appeared to be making bad choices just because that's not what scum!Chris would do/Az would never get lunched D1?
And remember, unless they're scum, your detractors are unlikely to think of their actions as "going through hoops"; they (by which I mean I) probably see their actions and suspicions as perfectly logical. Well, maybe not Wisp. (Hi Wisp! :P)
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"but what if he is town?" then we still have information, it sucks, but it's not the worst possible outcome
are you saying this in response to me wanting to put a train on him? or in response to him being a good shot target?
if we sit on the all the "what ifs", we won't get anywhere
In response to either. I feel "he's town", if true, would be a good reason not to lunch or vig him, so you making that blanket statement to argue that KCC should vote Chris feels questionable.
Explain more on what you felt was one of the better pieces of info we learned from how you treated the Az wagon? And ftr, I don't feel like you've lacked contribution, but I certainly haven't seen much in the way of scumhunting or world building, especially toDay, which feels like a contrast to Hill House.
So, two people who I think really improved their standing in the game at large are Axel and Fuwa. Fuwa was just someone who was doing nothing but by forcing that train it really polarized their alignment in relation to Az. That being scum/scum seems kind of absurd to think about given the velocity of movement and also I have to believe Fuwa is the one that takes the fall there if it was scum/scum due to player reputation.
Axel's rage at me defending Fuwa is also a really, really good look given the wagons. Axel went from maybe playing the field to "oh man, he just went hard on defending Fuwa when it is very possible Fuwa could have died if he chose to vote them there as scum."
Other people I had feelings about one way or another, but those two developed only because I chose friction. Also because I suck and thought Az was town.
Thank you for taking the time to spell this out. I was expecting more of a direct cause-effect relationship than "Chris was one (of several) not supporting the AzWagon, and therefore Axel and Fuwa are more likely town", but maybe it's true that (specifically) you being on Az's wagon led to those expositions.
FTR, I think the best Day for a vig to shoot is the Day it becomes known they're a vig (or the Night after if it's a night action). And the best time to claim that you have a vig shot is...really dependent on so many variables that making a general statement of "best early game"/"best late game" is a waste of time. As Axel said, it's circular. Early game shots have the benefit of not getting lost (due to the vig getting NK'd), and can resolve early game question marks that lead to better game states in later Days. Late game shots have the benefit of solving situations that otherwise could be LYLO/MYLO.
With that in mind, maybe Tom's claiming the shot early game is more indicative of town!Tom since he's been getting NK'd early game a lot recently? Wants to ensure the vig shot doesn't end up unused? Fits into my theory that he was playing to avoid the NK, which I like (because I like being right), but I guess scum!Tom probably realizes that waiting to use the shot may lead to him having to shoot a buddy or risk solving the game for town by his refusal/early game vigs on town will be easier to write off as possibly coming from town? Eh, not convinced that Tom's choice of when he revealed the shot is AI.
With that in mind, maybe Tom's claiming the shot early game is more indicative of town!Tom since he's been getting NK'd early game a lot recently? Wants to ensure the vig shot doesn't end up unused? Fits into my theory that he was playing to avoid the NK, which I like (because I like being right), but I guess scum!Tom probably realizes that waiting to use the shot may lead to him having to shoot a buddy or risk solving the game for town by his refusal/early game vigs on town will be easier to write off as possibly coming from town? Eh, not convinced that Tom's choice of when he revealed the shot is AI.
Except that one very operative theory is that he only just acquired this day-vig. possibly as a result of Az getting lynched. And he is refusing to elaborate any further on the details of the role.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
@cantrip
I asked for more votes, not to bury him, as well as I wanted more content before we even decide to shoot him or anyone
So idk what you find questionable
I can agree with ur last paragraph on Tom, it's not AI for him at all, but what do you think of him outside the vig claim, which is always real regardless of his alignment imo
Pretty much. It's really the slant of informed versus not informed, right? As scum I see a massive amount of town voting for him and go "welp, time to bus" because really it is the only viable move. By not bussing there and hoping to save him I only made people look good that were not myself or Az. Axel champed up. Fuwa got wagoned. Those are things that are good for town in the long run and something that should be avoided as scum. If you are going to have someone get a lot of votes on them day one the last thing you realistically want to do is try to save them by over extending yourself.
As town it is funny the more I thought about it the more I thought it made sense that Shadow was town regardless of Az's alignment due to wagon formations, so even though I was still defending someone who flipped scum I feel like I learned a lot by doing so. My read error cost town nothing.
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With that in mind, maybe Tom's claiming the shot early game is more indicative of town!Tom since he's been getting NK'd early game a lot recently? Wants to ensure the vig shot doesn't end up unused? Fits into my theory that he was playing to avoid the NK, which I like (because I like being right), but I guess scum!Tom probably realizes that waiting to use the shot may lead to him having to shoot a buddy or risk solving the game for town by his refusal/early game vigs on town will be easier to write off as possibly coming from town? Eh, not convinced that Tom's choice of when he revealed the shot is AI.
Except that one very operative theory is that he only just acquired this day-vig. possibly as a result of Az getting lynched. And he is refusing to elaborate any further on the details of the role.
explain to me why you think this? Or did you already?
Me being wrong about Az didn't hurt town in any way. I didn't cost us a single thing. In fact, me being wrong was played in such a way and with such defiance that we got good town indications from players that were not there before. I was wrong about Az but I pursued it in such a way that invited people to make themselves present and to encourage takes. I like my play day one even if I wished I had read Az better.
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Uhhm, what, everything we do creates content, why isolate your own posts in that manner, it doesn't say much about your alignment, and you are subject to your own self-bias
Just feels like you are trying super hard to make yourself look townie
I mean, town's first job is to not die in a flame of lynchers. I usually accomplish this by putting together a good amount of town reads and going from there but since that has not worked I will helpfully point out that for such a scary scum player my slot has been +ev for town quite solidly, even if indirectly.
Also you have done nothing to effect the game in any way other than be suspicious so not all of us succeed!
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Well, it kind of does though. If I can find 3 people who look worse than me and I am right about all of them then I don't have to die because town will have won the game.
Simple, really.
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Well, it kind of does though. If I can find 3 people who look worse than me and I am right about all of them then I don't have to die because town will have won the game.
Simple, really.
"find" doesn't feel like a townie way of thinking in this context
Scum don't tend to claim scum. Some work is required.
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@cantrip
Shooting me cause you can't figure me out is just rood, I'd rather not die before I can resolve my ability, so no bully, that's the most I'm saying on that matter
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I'm good mislynch bait no shoot or roleblock plz
@kcc
Just noticed ur post, idk when I'll get a chance to find actually posts, to push my case, I'll try tonight
@Fuwa I'm not seeing an ability in your role that would lead you to treating someone as confirmed town? I'm assuming that means you neighborized KCC and your chat lead to you feeling better about them, but that's quite the leap to treating someone as confirmed town. Also if you can only use one ever why did you neighborize? And why KCC? The whole thing feels off to me but I also can't see any motivation for you counterclaiming Az there and burying him if you are buddies.
@tom you were pretty focused on KJ in the middle of the day before the Az wagon took off.
I am unlikely to give chris the twtbaw read he seems to feel he deserves, but i dont think i want to play in the mud with him any more
Might shoot him idk yet
You are going to shoot me and when I flip town you are going to pray that the town collective gives you a pass and blames me.
I hope they do not.
Wisp I don't know which post you are talking about.
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What would you say the chances are that scum!you decides to make an RVS joke about shooting decks your buddies have as an early distancing effort you could point back to?
I'd make the joke as either alignment because Ulamog, the ceaseless hunger is beyond stupid. As it Hogaak (though it's dropped running dredge cards at this stage, but still fits the idea of the archtype).
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killing me would be bad, and you must be thinking of my brother because very rarely do I defend some of my non-sensical behavior in that manner
where exactly do you see non-existence logic? and where are these bad votes? the only vote I could probably see as bad was my Fuwa vote
I've also almost stopped completely in making super detailed wolf pushes because I've learned that I am not good at giving reasons that make people actually want to vote with me
Yeah i agree
Scumtom a bit more of an adult
I mean really at this point I am just insulted for scum Chris. He's won multiple awards you know.
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I agree technically that waiting longer to use a vig shot improves the chances of hitting scum with it
But how is that even the most important consideration?
More town controlled kills early makes every lynch and night action afterward better informed.
Like the point isnt getting it right its attempting to win the game yo
Also just gonna note that at first it was scummy of me to want to shoot now chris acknowledges he knows he has an unpopular opinion
Not a real read
Vigilante is the most powerful info role.
Also it is a killing role, not an information role. Shooting town hurts town. Lynching town hurts town. Dead town is bad for town. THE END. Period. You can't get dead town back. Give me watcher, tracker, cop, detective, any of those over a shot especially early game.
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So I'm not sure where all the doom and gloom came from in #1549. No one (except Vezok) said it was dumb. And Vezok is not exactly the greatest arbiter of what is and isn't good play.
I saw this too. Umm, come on, man. Yes you do.
That's what I've been seeing the whole game, it's just all fake
No
Your opinion is wrong dude. The games you can win without dead town werent worth playing anyway. Crack eggs>make omelets etc.
But that doesnt matter here.
I still dont believe you think its scummy even if you do think its suboptimal
Like I said, I got vigged myself once for arguing this. Though, that was on D1 when we had the least amount of info., which was rather a large part of my argument. I will concede that we have more to work with now.
Also, you didn't answer my questions?
can you explain to me your progression here? @Chris
makes it really hard to believe this read is anything but fake
Which is why I'm having a hard time sorting out how much I want him vigged because I think he's scummy, and how much is because I just don't want to have to try and figure him out.
Explain more on what you felt was one of the better pieces of info we learned from how you treated the Az wagon? And ftr, I don't feel like you've lacked contribution, but I certainly haven't seen much in the way of scumhunting or world building, especially toDay, which feels like a contrast to Hill House.
You just oooooze wifom, you know that, right?
I think i remember your questions being about role so that would be why i didnt answer
To be clear, i dont agree that waiting on shots is good but that opinion isnt really the issue
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Wasn't that Az's response?
It's like people are going through hoops to say I am scum. It really amazes me.
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"but what if he is town?" then we still have information, it sucks, but it's not the worst possible outcome
are you saying this in response to me wanting to put a train on him? or in response to him being a good shot target?
if we sit on the all the "what ifs", we won't get anywhere
So, two people who I think really improved their standing in the game at large are Axel and Fuwa. Fuwa was just someone who was doing nothing but by forcing that train it really polarized their alignment in relation to Az. That being scum/scum seems kind of absurd to think about given the velocity of movement and also I have to believe Fuwa is the one that takes the fall there if it was scum/scum due to player reputation.
Axel's rage at me defending Fuwa is also a really, really good look given the wagons. Axel went from maybe playing the field to "oh man, he just went hard on defending Fuwa when it is very possible Fuwa could have died if he chose to vote them there as scum."
Other people I had feelings about one way or another, but those two developed only because I chose friction. Also because I suck and thought Az was town.
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Did you misread my sentence?
But GoT I was hospitalized, if it makes you feel better.
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But actually just... what and when i claim will be my choice for my own reasons
Its certainly nai
And remember, unless they're scum, your detractors are unlikely to think of their actions as "going through hoops"; they (by which I mean I) probably see their actions and suspicions as perfectly logical. Well, maybe not Wisp. (Hi Wisp! :P)
In response to either. I feel "he's town", if true, would be a good reason not to lunch or vig him, so you making that blanket statement to argue that KCC should vote Chris feels questionable.
Thank you for taking the time to spell this out. I was expecting more of a direct cause-effect relationship than "Chris was one (of several) not supporting the AzWagon, and therefore Axel and Fuwa are more likely town", but maybe it's true that (specifically) you being on Az's wagon led to those expositions.
FTR, I think the best Day for a vig to shoot is the Day it becomes known they're a vig (or the Night after if it's a night action). And the best time to claim that you have a vig shot is...really dependent on so many variables that making a general statement of "best early game"/"best late game" is a waste of time. As Axel said, it's circular. Early game shots have the benefit of not getting lost (due to the vig getting NK'd), and can resolve early game question marks that lead to better game states in later Days. Late game shots have the benefit of solving situations that otherwise could be LYLO/MYLO.
With that in mind, maybe Tom's claiming the shot early game is more indicative of town!Tom since he's been getting NK'd early game a lot recently? Wants to ensure the vig shot doesn't end up unused? Fits into my theory that he was playing to avoid the NK, which I like (because I like being right), but I guess scum!Tom probably realizes that waiting to use the shot may lead to him having to shoot a buddy or risk solving the game for town by his refusal/early game vigs on town will be easier to write off as possibly coming from town? Eh, not convinced that Tom's choice of when he revealed the shot is AI.
I asked for more votes, not to bury him, as well as I wanted more content before we even decide to shoot him or anyone
So idk what you find questionable
I can agree with ur last paragraph on Tom, it's not AI for him at all, but what do you think of him outside the vig claim, which is always real regardless of his alignment imo
As town it is funny the more I thought about it the more I thought it made sense that Shadow was town regardless of Az's alignment due to wagon formations, so even though I was still defending someone who flipped scum I feel like I learned a lot by doing so. My read error cost town nothing.
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Wtf does that even mean, it's such a weird defense/statement
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Just feels like you are trying super hard to make yourself look townie
Also you have done nothing to effect the game in any way other than be suspicious so not all of us succeed!
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Comparing me to you, doesn't make you look better
Simple, really.
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Back to work
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Did you ever respond to my post above about your progression on Cantrip, I didn't notice it if you did?
Might shoot him idk yet
Shooting me cause you can't figure me out is just rood, I'd rather not die before I can resolve my ability, so no bully, that's the most I'm saying on that matter
@mafia
I'm good mislynch bait no shoot or roleblock plz
@kcc
Just noticed ur post, idk when I'll get a chance to find actually posts, to push my case, I'll try tonight
@tom you were pretty focused on KJ in the middle of the day before the Az wagon took off.
You are going to shoot me and when I flip town you are going to pray that the town collective gives you a pass and blames me.
I hope they do not.
Wisp I don't know which post you are talking about.
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I'd make the joke as either alignment because Ulamog, the ceaseless hunger is beyond stupid. As it Hogaak (though it's dropped running dredge cards at this stage, but still fits the idea of the archtype).