The empathy nodes in my brain were starting to make me second guess lynching Azrael, but as soon as he asked for the deadline extention that went away.
Also, today is my 5th wedding anniversary and after about two more hours I will be completely unavailable, so odds are my vote won't be moving regardless of anything that happens.
@Shadow: Per game rules, the only way to no lynch is to actually have a majority vote for it. If the deadline passes, the player with the most votes dies.
Unless someone claims scum, I'm not moving my vote either. But I forgot about that lynch mechanic, so I guess these loose single vote wagons aren't actually hurting anything
"I am supposed to be the scumbuddy defending the power role, look at how much scum cares for this role."
I was being a touch snide.
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The empathy nodes in my brain were starting to make me second guess lynching Azrael, but as soon as he asked for the deadline extention that went away.
Also, today is my 5th wedding anniversary and after about two more hours I will be completely unavailable, so odds are my vote won't be moving regardless of anything that happens.
@Shadow: Per game rules, the only way to no lynch is to actually have a majority vote for it. If the deadline passes, the player with the most votes dies.
Congrats man! I just hit 5 years myself.
Oh, I did not read that close enough, that’s helpful.
Of note if I am wrong then I am virtually certain Az was driven over with a bus at least two times. Because if he is scum this lynch has not really been opposed with any sort of give a damn outside of me.
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I was just thinking, if Az is scum, where's the pushback? Where's the attempts from buddies to pivot (other than possibly Chris)? I'm not seeing them, maybe he's town. And then the last 10 hours happened. Just waiting to cause the most anxiety, apparently.
@Shadow: There are better d1 lynches I think. Az, when town, is a force to be reckoned with. If he's scum, that'll show itself eventually.
I think that Az usually is a force to be reckoned with regardless, and the only reason we caught him (if he's scum) is that he doesn't have enough time to fabricate his town game. If he's scum, I think giving him more time just gives him more opportunities to snow us.
Because deadline extensions without extenuating circumstances encourage rush play and bad habits. This shouldn’t really be a public, in game conversation though.
Can someone/a few people sanity check me; I feel like Last has been scummier than his baseline, and has lacked his typical town qualities I’m used to. Would love some commentary on him.
I'm generally getting similar vibes as I did in Hill House, so while there are some posts that feel off, I still have a mostly town lean on them. This is coming from someone who's got you pretty high on their scum list, so I'm sure you'll take this with a huge grain of salt if you're town.
I still haven't read much but I read enough to know that I still do not want to kill the claimed cop shot. The risk reward on this is not worth it.
Since there is obviously no interest in tom let's try this
Vote: Fuwa
Not really interested in lunching the one player who is on full-blown V/LA (not even pop-ins) and has been for like 4 days. Not without a claim/chance to respond.
I’d prefer not to, but would move to him to prevent a no lynch. And I recognize the desire not to lynch a cop claim.
I'd vote Tom to prevent a no lunch, but if we're going that direction, I think we should request a deadline extension.
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Actually, hold up, mod gaming hat on here for a sec: If you’re gonna give a cop a modifier in design, something like macho is expected. Making a cop also a bomb is kind of terrible, because the role that scum want to kill the most is now a a 1 for 1 trade, and that’s if the cop shot doesn’t already get a red check.
This is a pretty good observation, even though I can think of ways that aspect of the role could be written to invalidate this argument. Doesn't move the needle on how I feel about his claim either way.
DK, congratulations on 5 years!
I'm still good with an Az lunch. Fine waiting until tonight for Az to continue, as if he's town, I'll value his opinions.
Pretty sure I am still voting Tom. Though I noted that I would vote for Az.
Cop/Bomb was/is another one of my issues with the claim which Az helpfully decided it was better we didn't understand.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Of note, if would be really silly to get an extension only for us to immediately hammer Az.
@Fuwa: if you had that extension, what could you do that you can’t do with reading during the night phase?
I could vote responsibly instead of a probable sheeping that I'm thinking of doing.
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Also Grape - lurking is not my scum meta
And someone (I skimmed and I'm really sorry I didn't remember who it was) - I'm not inexperience scum. I'm just unfortunately suddenly busy
I could vote responsibly instead of a probable sheeping that I'm thinking of doing.
Its plurality lynch, so you can vote where you want to.
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I'm not inexperience scum. I'm just unfortunately suddenly busy
I really want to read into this.
oh lol, Idk why I have this sense of urgency.
Anyway, I guess I came off as inexperienced? I fluff about in early stages and never seem get to get out of my fluff mode.
But yea, I'm not inexperienced even as scum :/
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Axel, when you get back/ you keep saying you’re on team Chris, do you specifically think we are some form of t/s? What percentage would you say you think we could be t/t?
Not a fan of this post. Why do you ask the likeliness of t/t when you've been arguing with Chris? Do you think Chris is town? If so, why attack his reads when you can spend more time dissecting scumreads~ (unless you did that already)
I don't take my cues from people who think I am scum, KCC. Get a better read on me before saying what the lynch order is...!
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Yes, I have returned! Only for a little bit but I AM HERE!
So, may I ask why?
Yes, wanting an extension when the day is pretty much decided just so you can do very little + "I am not inexperienced scum, I am just busy" when....no one accused you of being scum?
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Axel, when you get back/ you keep saying you’re on team Chris, do you specifically think we are some form of t/s? What percentage would you say you think we could be t/t?
Not a fan of this post. Why do you ask the likeliness of t/t when you've been arguing with Chris? Do you think Chris is town? If so, why attack his reads when you can spend more time dissecting scumreads~ (unless you did that already)
My belief in Chris being town steadily grew through the course of our battles. As far as why I asked that question, because a bystander should have some level of belief that a fight is possibly t/t, and his comments indicated that may not be true.
Yes, I have returned! Only for a little bit but I AM HERE!
So, may I ask why?
Yes, wanting an extension when the day is pretty much decided just so you can do very little + "I am not inexperienced scum, I am just busy" when....no one accused you of being scum?
When I was skimming, I saw someone put me as inexperienced scum, hence the clarification
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If I can remember, I wouldn't put it as "someone". I'll quote it when I find the post (if I don't fall asleep first)
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Past page 15, and I like Axel for town too (Maybe Cantrip too but he have the sort of tone that I tend to like for town so I'm keeping that away for now)
I'm not sure if I said I liked Axel or az before. If it's Az, rip he's the lead train right? Then either something is wrong with my impression read or everything is wrong with his voters.
Also, sorry I'm posting this way. (on mobile and I'm not sure the best way to do it)
I have approximately .01% interest in moving to Fuwa at this time.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Fuwa, haven't heard from you for a bit; Chris's wagon has faltered. Who else do you want to pressure? (Could it be....Azrael?)
Most likely shadow actually. I like Azrael's posts, but others made pretty convincing points against him too... so I'm just gonna observe how his train goes. I don't feel like joining it, nor am I against it.
I have approximately .01% interest in moving to Fuwa at this time.
Why?
Yes, why?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I have approximately .01% interest in moving to Fuwa at this time.
Why?
Yes, why?
I was down on Fuwa before, and her pop in is all kinds of wolfy. Since we don’t have the risk of no lynch, applying some pressure and seeing what comes seems like a fine thing to do
I guess I don't agree the "pop in" is wolfy. If I was a wolf with a V/LA excuse this close to a deadline, I would just...stay gone. As opposed to coming back and trying to catch up and say something.
That said, I haven't really looking at Fuwa, so maybe there's something from "before," (you could be more specific here) but I don't have the energy or motivation to dig into that right now.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Barring what I think is the pretty unlikely possibility of scum!Fuwa intentionally falling on a grenade for buddy!Az, I really don't think scum come back 14ish hours before deadline and try to do stuff when they could just as easily ride out their V/LA. And if Fuwa were trying to pull the lunch onto herself to save Az, I feel like she would have done something more damning than explicitly reference drop that someone said she was inexperienced sum and then refute that.
Chris, really? She SAID that she was responding to someone else. You just took Shadow's cut and paste and accepted it out of context and "scumread" her for it, didn't you? You can be lunched tomorrow after we've disposed of Az.
Shadow, was that your reasoning, too?? Really??? Really????
@Cantrip: oftentimes the scum mindset is that it will look better if they come back and “try” to participate prior to deadline.
I do not think Fuwa was attempting to garner a wagon, I agree, it would have had to be something much crazier, but I think her reentry is awful and deserves some scrutiny. Frankly I’d love to push for a claim immediately to prevent scum!her having time to fake one.
And even though I don’t particularly want the extension, using the time to explore a Fuwa push is relatively enticing.
Barring what I think is the pretty unlikely possibility of scum!Fuwa intentionally falling on a grenade for buddy!Az, I really don't think scum come back 14ish hours before deadline and try to do stuff when they could just as easily ride out their V/LA. And if Fuwa were trying to pull the lunch onto herself to save Az, I feel like she would have done something more damning than explicitly reference drop that someone said she was inexperienced sum and then refute that.
Chris, really? She SAID that she was responding to someone else. You just took Shadow's cut and paste and accepted it out of context and "scumread" her for it, didn't you? You can be lunched tomorrow after we've disposed of Az.
Shadow, was that your reasoning, too?? Really??? Really????
Good luck.
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Barring what I think is the pretty unlikely possibility of scum!Fuwa intentionally falling on a grenade for buddy!Az, I really don't think scum come back 14ish hours before deadline and try to do stuff when they could just as easily ride out their V/LA. And if Fuwa were trying to pull the lunch onto herself to save Az, I feel like she would have done something more damning than explicitly reference drop that someone said she was inexperienced sum and then refute that.
Chris, really? She SAID that she was responding to someone else. You just took Shadow's cut and paste and accepted it out of context and "scumread" her for it, didn't you? You can be lunched tomorrow after we've disposed of Az.
Shadow, was that your reasoning, too?? Really??? Really????
Good luck.
If I'm wrong, tell me where.
1115 Fuwa says she was skimming and someone called her inexperienced scum, she refutes that she's inexperienced, just busy.
1116 Shadow quotes the "I'm not inexperienced scum. I'm just unfortunately suddenly busy" part (omitting where she's talking about a comment someone made about her) and says he "really wants to read into this".
1118 You vote her.
1121 She asks why.
1123 You indicate you voted for two reasons: 1) because she wants an extension so she can "do very little" (here's another example of you inserting a dig. To YOU it may not be very much for another player to make an informed decision, but I know that *I* always feel like having time to make my own informed decision is important), which I can't believe you really think is a thought that is AI, and 2) because she said she wasn't inexperienced scum...when no one accused her of being scum.
1127 She repeats that she saw someone say she was inexperienced scum while she was skimming.
1128 You ask "Who?"
So you show me what part of that exchange ISN'T just you taking Shadow's cut and paste out of context, not even caring about that original context, just leaping to ANY possible alternative to an Az wagon, and using whatever means necessary to scum read Fuwa?
Shadow, what about Fuwa's quoted post did you "really want to read into" in 1116?
Can you explain what this is supposed to mean?
Are you saying you're concerned about the power of his role, and so you want to let him set it up and fire? -I'm just not following
Unless someone claims scum, I'm not moving my vote either. But I forgot about that lynch mechanic, so I guess these loose single vote wagons aren't actually hurting anything
A cop bomb is not gonna exist.
I was being a touch snide.
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Oh, I did not read that close enough, that’s helpful.
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I think that Az usually is a force to be reckoned with regardless, and the only reason we caught him (if he's scum) is that he doesn't have enough time to fabricate his town game. If he's scum, I think giving him more time just gives him more opportunities to snow us.
I'm generally getting similar vibes as I did in Hill House, so while there are some posts that feel off, I still have a mostly town lean on them. This is coming from someone who's got you pretty high on their scum list, so I'm sure you'll take this with a huge grain of salt if you're town.
Not really interested in lunching the one player who is on full-blown V/LA (not even pop-ins) and has been for like 4 days. Not without a claim/chance to respond.
This. Especially compared to his uber-read of Grape early on.
I'd vote Tom to prevent a no lunch, but if we're going that direction, I think we should request a deadline extension.
This is a pretty good observation, even though I can think of ways that aspect of the role could be written to invalidate this argument. Doesn't move the needle on how I feel about his claim either way.
DK, congratulations on 5 years!
I'm still good with an Az lunch. Fine waiting until tonight for Az to continue, as if he's town, I'll value his opinions.
Cop/Bomb was/is another one of my issues with the claim which Az helpfully decided it was better we didn't understand.
@Fuwa: if you had that extension, what could you do that you can’t do with reading during the night phase?
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Also Grape - lurking is not my scum meta
And someone (I skimmed and I'm really sorry I didn't remember who it was) - I'm not inexperience scum. I'm just unfortunately suddenly busy
I really want to read into this.
Anyway, I guess I came off as inexperienced? I fluff about in early stages and never seem get to get out of my fluff mode.
But yea, I'm not inexperienced even as scum :/
What do you see? :3
My WIM has suddenly returned lmao.
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So, may I ask why?
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Yes, wanting an extension when the day is pretty much decided just so you can do very little + "I am not inexperienced scum, I am just busy" when....no one accused you of being scum?
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Vote Fuwa
I’m down to explore this avenue at the present.
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Past page 15, and I like Axel for town too (Maybe Cantrip too but he have the sort of tone that I tend to like for town so I'm keeping that away for now)
I'm not sure if I said I liked Axel or az before. If it's Az, rip he's the lead train right? Then either something is wrong with my impression read or everything is wrong with his voters.
Also, sorry I'm posting this way. (on mobile and I'm not sure the best way to do it)
That said, I haven't really looking at Fuwa, so maybe there's something from "before," (you could be more specific here) but I don't have the energy or motivation to dig into that right now.
Chris, really? She SAID that she was responding to someone else. You just took Shadow's cut and paste and accepted it out of context and "scumread" her for it, didn't you? You can be lunched tomorrow after we've disposed of Az.
Shadow, was that your reasoning, too?? Really??? Really????
Fuwa, describe the process you're taking to catch up? You said you were skimming? Can you go into more detail?
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Azrael (6): Cantripmancer, KittyCupCake, Vaimes, Rhand, dkingsland967, vezokpiraka
Fuwa (3): Grapefruit21, Sir Chris, shadowlancerx
shadowlancerx (2): killjoy, beeboy
Sir Chris (1): Fuwa
dkingsland967 (1): tomsloger
Vaimes (1): Azrael
tomsloger (1): Axelrod
Abstain (1): Lastwhisper
With 16 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch.
Day 1 will end on Friday, August 16th, at 11:59 PM.
Fuwa V/LA until deadline
Lastwhisper V/LA until deadline
Grapefruit V/LA until deadline
beeboy V/LA until deadline
I do not think Fuwa was attempting to garner a wagon, I agree, it would have had to be something much crazier, but I think her reentry is awful and deserves some scrutiny. Frankly I’d love to push for a claim immediately to prevent scum!her having time to fake one.
And even though I don’t particularly want the extension, using the time to explore a Fuwa push is relatively enticing.
I’d say I’m about 50% on Az being scum, and maybe slightly higher on Fuwa. Not by a lot.
Good luck.
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vote fuwa
1115 Fuwa says she was skimming and someone called her inexperienced scum, she refutes that she's inexperienced, just busy.
1116 Shadow quotes the "I'm not inexperienced scum. I'm just unfortunately suddenly busy" part (omitting where she's talking about a comment someone made about her) and says he "really wants to read into this".
1118 You vote her.
1121 She asks why.
1123 You indicate you voted for two reasons: 1) because she wants an extension so she can "do very little" (here's another example of you inserting a dig. To YOU it may not be very much for another player to make an informed decision, but I know that *I* always feel like having time to make my own informed decision is important), which I can't believe you really think is a thought that is AI, and 2) because she said she wasn't inexperienced scum...when no one accused her of being scum.
1127 She repeats that she saw someone say she was inexperienced scum while she was skimming.
1128 You ask "Who?"
So you show me what part of that exchange ISN'T just you taking Shadow's cut and paste out of context, not even caring about that original context, just leaping to ANY possible alternative to an Az wagon, and using whatever means necessary to scum read Fuwa?
Shadow, what about Fuwa's quoted post did you "really want to read into" in 1116?
More or less happy with these wagons
Dont think theyre more likely scum than az, but definitely >rand after that popin and its the best counterwagon weve had.