OK fine, I'll move. Grapefruit can wait for more analysis since people think I'm chasing ghosts with him.
Vote Azrael
@Killjoy, I apologize if you said previously that work was keeping you from being active. I must have missed it. Now, since you're specifically one of the players not pushing against Azrael, what do you think of his 311 in response to Rhand asking for a scum game?
Town but I was too lazy to put in effort of finding quotes to explain why so I kept that to myself.
The fact that he was expecting VT to correct him (from the first quote) and it didnt show up in his cantrip read when i asked
So yeah i think beeboy was role hunting and isnt even using it for reads.
Vote stays
Vote: Tomsloger
I don't believe that you believe this.
sup
Where in Beeboy's post does he say or imply that he was "expecting VT to correct him?"
And, it also appears you are taking the position that Beeboy should have viewed Cantrip's post as a VT hint, yes? And then you are attacking Beeboy because he didn't say that/use that as part of his Cantrip read?
Three posts up you just said you doubt Beeboy's post was "intentional" fishing. You think he was unintentionally role-hunting?
he said something like "no one correcting me til now makes me think im right"
So there is process there about only VT knowing it isnt role madness.
And correct, i think theres approximately zero worlds where scumbeeboy thought "im gonna talk about role madness to out some vanillas"
Regardless of alignment, he at least speculated it was role madness for an amount of time.
That interaction not even entering his head when asked about cantrip is just... not towny
Tom, Az did have an opinion on Last (Syrenz) in that post. Also, I'm getting a little weirded out by your constant towning of me. I'd love to think you're town and just accurately reading me, but paranoia keeps hitting me across the back of the head.
Why are you voting Axel?
Just over 3.5 days until deadline, people. Come join the Az wagon! It'll be fun! We have cookies!
right
Forgot syrenz>last
Whole post still doesnt really match the tldr
Axel looked like scum egging on the shadow/chris fight. Not sure either of their alignments matter there?
As far as Tom goes, he’s said a few things that I think line up with town Tom. Unless he’s exactly partners with Cantrip (which I doubt) then his Cantrip read is a bit too prohibitive for scum!tom. Also, I think he’d be making more useless posts if he’s scum.
To add onto this; he’s not playing in a goal oriented way. There not any fights he’s stoking fires on, he’s not prodding at people who are otherwise engaged in the way he might to distract pressure from a buddy, etc.
Yeah, he could be scum, I’m not locked into this, but it would be a very lazy version of his scum self.
ftr, it would be "summertime version" not "lazy version"
I havent had 18 consecutive hours off since mid july
Oh, I pretty much agreed with everything Rhand said.
Now tell me why you cared enough about that comment to ask me three times.
Because I don't like vague mic drops like that. Rhand posted four reads in 256, and I wanted to know which you agreed with, and why you "super" liked it (maybe there was more than just "I agree with these reads", maybe you liked how he went about making the post/saw something indicative about him/etc). I didn't notice you hadn't answered until I caught back up, and then it became a sticking point.
Sorry to have bothered you.
Dkings, happy that you're voting Az, but I'm not dismissing your Grape read. What did you think about his response to you in 752?
I am still trying to figure out how to read DK based off his Grape/Azrael push
I don't think he is aligned with either if I haven't stated that already, can't remember
I don't agree though that wolf!azreal makes that read on Grape if they are both wolves, it literally has no benefit it all
Dkings, happy that you're voting Az, but I'm not dismissing your Grape read. What did you think about his response to you in 752?
Not a lot. He may not have specifically stated that wasn't the only reason he has a scum read on me, but he never at any point offered another reason. And, for that matter, he has never even pushed me depsite being in his top two in post 232. The closest he has come was this smear:
DK's 337 is almost as bad as tom's Beeboy vote and would prefer him as well. Throws a lot of shade around and then votes Beeboy for word vomit and talking about being bad at D1. Which just feels like voting for different more than voting a believed scum read.
The only player you could say I threw "shade" at in 337 (other than Beeboy, who I voted in that post) was Syrenz. And I did some meta research and revisited this shortly after.
Oh, I pretty much agreed with everything Rhand said.
Now tell me why you cared enough about that comment to ask me three times.
Because I don't like vague mic drops like that. Rhand posted four reads in 256, and I wanted to know which you agreed with, and why you "super" liked it (maybe there was more than just "I agree with these reads", maybe you liked how he went about making the post/saw something indicative about him/etc). I didn't notice you hadn't answered until I caught back up, and then it became a sticking point.
Sorry to have bothered you.
Dkings, happy that you're voting Az, but I'm not dismissing your Grape read. What did you think about his response to you in 752?
I figured it would be easily interpreted as a barn. My bad.
@Vaimes
exactly what would you like me to do about it? Ive already expressed thoughts on him
I only disliked the mudslinging he was doing towards my slot
I'm back, work is slow, and it's time to catch up.
I think Chris and KCC are both town. That fight over Beeboy would have had some sort of pivot if one of them was scum.
I don't get the Az wagon. Cantrips pretty much seems to be a direct response to 522 I guess? I don't know what Shadow and KCC are voting him for. Does 564 have a typo or am I dumb? LW's is downright scummy.
Vez is really townie.
As is Vaimes.
Vote: Tom
Overall I think Grape has been tonally sound, unlike what Chris believes
some posts feel a little agenda-based which is why he is in my scum leans if I am wrong about someone its probably him
plus I bolded a statement in the quote, that I feel very rarely comes from a town mindset
also more mud-slinging on my slight
also Ill reiterate my feelings on Azreal
I don't really think he has done anything wolfy, but I'd be lying if I didnt expect more from him based on what I've been told
and the last time I played with Azrael was my first game on this site, which I dont really remember, nor do I care enough to reread it
meta reads like that are pretty obnoxious, since there could be a list of reasons why he is playing this way as town
I kind of like the chris wagon end of page 12, especially how kcc/fuwa got there.
If Chris IS scum, the only part they missed is "he did it because chris loves being right more than he loves quietly killing power roles"
But he responded well enough, even if its a little revisionist but thats how it works when you push things harder than you believe in them for effect. Which is what he was doing regardless of alignment
I remember that Az likes playing town more than scum and this certainly doesn't look like Az enjoying anything. This isn't the main reason I think he is scum, but it certainly don't help his case.
I don't like the fact that he gave some terrible reads with awful reasoning. I also need to be on the lynch wagon and L-2 is too close for my liking.
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Well i redacted this but since were already talking about it now...
The fact that he was expecting VT to correct him (from the first quote) and it didnt show up in his cantrip read when i asked
So yeah i think beeboy was role hunting and isnt even using it for reads.
Vote stays
Vote: Tomsloger
I don't believe that you believe this.
sup
Where in Beeboy's post does he say or imply that he was "expecting VT to correct him?"
And, it also appears you are taking the position that Beeboy should have viewed Cantrip's post as a VT hint, yes? And then you are attacking Beeboy because he didn't say that/use that as part of his Cantrip read?
Three posts up you just said you doubt Beeboy's post was "intentional" fishing. You think he was unintentionally role-hunting?
he said something like "no one correcting me til now makes me think im right"
So there is process there about only VT knowing it isnt role madness.
There is "process" that, at the point where the question was asked him, he noted that no one had yet mentioned it, and that (now) made him think he was correct about this being Role Madness. Not that he was expecting someone VT to correct him when he made the speculation in the first place.
And correct, i think theres approximately zero worlds where scumbeeboy thought "im gonna talk about role madness to out some vanillas"
Regardless of alignment, he at least speculated it was role madness for an amount of time.
What does this even mean? You said, in the post I quoted: "i think beeboy was role hunting." Now you are not saying that? Now you agree that there are "zero worlds" where his post was a clever and nefarious strategy to out VT.
So, that makes it NAL, yes?
That interaction not even entering his head when asked about cantrip is just... not towny
Disagree. Nothing about Cantrip's question implies or hints he's a VT. So you assuming that (1) Beeboy should have had that thought and (2) He should have mentioned it as a basis for his read on Cantrip, is objectively not correct.
I guess we are waiting on Az now. I've looked back at his stuff, and it's pretty bare. Not up to Az standards if you will. That last post where he's trying to be humorous @KCC definitely feels tonally off.
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@Cantrip: regarding Tom, I’m not sure. He could just be low impact because of lack of presence, so there’s that.
WRT the answer to my question...meh. Something to shelf for later perhaps.
@Axel: as a general rule, I do try to be pretty high effort as scum as well as town, but Vaimes had the right of it; Hill House was 3 in a row in quick succession and I was a bit taxed for effort.
That vote, Unvote, re-vote by DK is pretty darn townie.
Tom being not present isn’t actually worrying me. Him not going above 3 votes when every other wagon has is definitely something to look at later. Still don’t want to lynch him today.
2. Tom
There I found another scum suspect.
i know this is probably supposed to be "tom is your buddy" snark but i still dont like him naming me within the conversation going on about me at the time
@Wisp If I wanted to play in an environment where I wasn't allowed to lynch players for arbitrary reasons I'd still be playing on mafiascum. I don't mean to disregard what you want but I don't feel like I am crossing any lines here.
Like I've said why I think Shadow is scum, I get he has a high post count but whenever I used to top post I never felt like I had a right to not be lynched for it.
I think Tom is lurking out his wagon and also have my reasons to think he is scum. :/
I am not just going to chain lynch all the high profile players for the memes to try and get a deep wolf and not adjust if I am wrong.
*calling me and shadow deep wolves when were among the main wagons*
Where in Beeboy's post does he say or imply that he was "expecting VT to correct him?"
And, it also appears you are taking the position that Beeboy should have viewed Cantrip's post as a VT hint, yes? And then you are attacking Beeboy because he didn't say that/use that as part of his Cantrip read?
Three posts up you just said you doubt Beeboy's post was "intentional" fishing. You think he was unintentionally role-hunting?
he said something like "no one correcting me til now makes me think im right"
So there is process there about only VT knowing it isnt role madness.
There is "process" that, at the point where the question was asked him, he noted that no one had yet mentioned it, and that (now) made him think he was correct about this being Role Madness. Not that he was expecting someone VT to correct him when he made the speculation in the first place.
And correct, i think theres approximately zero worlds where scumbeeboy thought "im gonna talk about role madness to out some vanillas"
Regardless of alignment, he at least speculated it was role madness for an amount of time.
What does this even mean? You said, in the post I quoted: "i think beeboy was role hunting." Now you are not saying that? Now you agree that there are "zero worlds" where his post was a clever and nefarious strategy to out VT.
So, that makes it NAL, yes?
That interaction not even entering his head when asked about cantrip is just... not towny
Disagree. Nothing about Cantrip's question implies or hints he's a VT. So you assuming that (1) Beeboy should have had that thought and (2) He should have mentioned it as a basis for his read on Cantrip, is objectively not correct.
I guess we are waiting on Az now. I've looked back at his stuff, and it's pretty bare. Not up to Az standards if you will. That last post where he's trying to be humorous @KCC definitely feels tonally off.
again, i dont care about his plan/lack thereof going in.
He got a reaction, thought about what the reaction means for it being role madness, and didnt think about it for the purposes of reading cantrip.
I am still trying to figure out how to read DK based off his Grape/Azrael push
I don't think he is aligned with either if I haven't stated that already, can't remember
I don't agree though that wolf!azreal makes that read on Grape if they are both wolves, it literally has no benefit it all
Just to be sure: you're saying that if either Grape or Az are scum, DK is unlikely to also be scum?
As for Az making that read on buddy!Grape: even within the framework of powerwolfing from a player of Az's caliber/rep?
Dkings, happy that you're voting Az, but I'm not dismissing your Grape read. What did you think about his response to you in 752?
Not a lot. He may not have specifically stated that wasn't the only reason he has a scum read on me, but he never at any point offered another reason. And, for that matter, he has never even pushed me depsite being in his top two in post 232. The closest he has come was this smear:
This is what I was hoping to hear. I iso'd Grape looking specifically for him suspecting you and pretty much found what you were asserting + his 615. I wanted to see if you really had noticed that/were actually considering that when saying he "only" had the you/Vaimes situation as a basis. You've definitely got me rethinking Grape.
@Vaimes
exactly what would you like me to do about it? Ive already expressed thoughts on him
I only disliked the mudslinging he was doing towards my slot
What did Az post that you believe was mudslinging toward you/Syrenz? I'd like to hear it in your own words.
again, i dont care about his plan/lack thereof going in.
He got a reaction, thought about what the reaction means for it being role madness, and didnt think about it for the purposes of reading cantrip.
So
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yeah i think beeboy was role hunting
This, Tom. Are you disclaiming this?
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also how the hell am I down right scummy? @Grape
(didn't notice this till just now)
downright scummy feels more than 50% sure in terms of confidence, yet you couldn't put a read with it?
You're always scummy. It's your default state of being and with your insane vote hopping happening right now you're finally looking scummy. I haven't had a chance to see if this is the normal scatterbrained wisp or if this is desperately looking for something to sink his teeth into Wisp, but the voting pattern is gross. Same for Shadow and tom. Lot of scummy looking voters this game.
Axel, when you get back/ you keep saying you’re on team Chris, do you specifically think we are some form of t/s? What percentage would you say you think we could be t/t?
this is a good question.
Axel really wants that to be a thing vote axel
Working on catch-up. Before I get into the meat and potatoes, @Sir Chris, why did you suddenly ramp up to belligerent and hostile around page 14? Post #669 in particular toes the line into unnecessary insulting.
For anyone else who is more familiar with Chris's play, is this normal for him? I was getting townie vibes from his Beeboy defense and the early posts in the slapfight with shadow, but the tone change throws me.
I want to say it's doubtful that if you are wolf, that you are a wolf with either Shadow or Chris based on the fact that regardless of the length and work put into this post, it just feels tonal-wise like you don't care about either
This is a point worth /barning.
The only way scum!Axelrod puts in that much work on the shadow/Chris fight is if both of them are town and he is trying to stoke the flames so the wagons don't die.
changed my mind this is the scum response to shadow v chris vote dkings
again, i dont care about his plan/lack thereof going in.
He got a reaction, thought about what the reaction means for it being role madness, and didnt think about it for the purposes of reading cantrip.
So
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yeah i think beeboy was role hunting
This, Tom. Are you disclaiming this?
hard to say without a link for context but i assume i was talking about the results not his intentions?
I didnt and dont scumread him because he talked about role madness i dont find that a useful angle
Axel, when you get back/ you keep saying you’re on team Chris, do you specifically think we are some form of t/s? What percentage would you say you think we could be t/t?
this is a good question.
Axel really wants that to be a thing vote axel
So are you just joking now? I want what to be a thing?
I really feel like Tom is phoning his effort in.
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Axel looked like scum egging on the shadow/chris fight. Not sure either of their alignments matter there?
I...don't think I got that impression. Can you point me to the posts that made you think that?
he made like 4 posts in the pages i just caught up on about shadow vs chris amd has nothing positive to say about either
But that dkings post is even moreso a scum reaction in a vacuum, and hes probably not scum with axel (why even add the conditional to a fake townread if that condition is "that thing that would be true if youre both scum"?
Axel, when you get back/ you keep saying you’re on team Chris, do you specifically think we are some form of t/s? What percentage would you say you think we could be t/t?
this is a good question.
Axel really wants that to be a thing vote axel
So are you just joking now? I want what to be a thing?
@Vaimes
exactly what would you like me to do about it? Ive already expressed thoughts on him
I only disliked the mudslinging he was doing towards my slot
Meh.
I'd give you more ***** for this if you weren't busy.
@tom: trying to get a dkings wagon started is about the most useless use of your vote possible.
And you don’t even explain why that dkings post is scummy.
I think my vote is already on scum, and I really want Az to claim, but I am sold tom is scum too. Even more so if Az is scum.
I read Azrael's big post. Doesn't really move the needle for me, but the content is at least consistent with his vote, so credit where credit is due.
But I think he waited waaay too long to analyze people's reactions to him being scummy on purpose, which. I feel like if the person that does that really is town, it tends to confuse and annoy villagers more often than help them lunch mafia.
Vote Azrael
@Killjoy, I apologize if you said previously that work was keeping you from being active. I must have missed it. Now, since you're specifically one of the players not pushing against Azrael, what do you think of his 311 in response to Rhand asking for a scum game?
Why are you asking US about what's in Az's wallpost rather than reading it and finding out for yourself?
Tom ninja'd me and I'm not sure how many votes Az has now
Sorry I keep forgetting your question, other things are more interesting.
Now tell me why you cared enough about that comment to ask me three times.
Spoilers: if he tries to rely on a claim to save him, I’m not budging. PRs who let themselves get wagoned and then cry power get no mercy.
So there is process there about only VT knowing it isnt role madness.
And correct, i think theres approximately zero worlds where scumbeeboy thought "im gonna talk about role madness to out some vanillas"
Regardless of alignment, he at least speculated it was role madness for an amount of time.
That interaction not even entering his head when asked about cantrip is just... not towny
Forgot syrenz>last
Whole post still doesnt really match the tldr
Axel looked like scum egging on the shadow/chris fight. Not sure either of their alignments matter there?
I havent had 18 consecutive hours off since mid july
Because I don't like vague mic drops like that. Rhand posted four reads in 256, and I wanted to know which you agreed with, and why you "super" liked it (maybe there was more than just "I agree with these reads", maybe you liked how he went about making the post/saw something indicative about him/etc). I didn't notice you hadn't answered until I caught back up, and then it became a sticking point.
Sorry to have bothered you.
Dkings, happy that you're voting Az, but I'm not dismissing your Grape read. What did you think about his response to you in 752?
Town Leans:
Vaimes
Beeboy
Lesser Town Leans
Rhand
Tom
Azrael
Null
(only because I can barely remember a post of their's off the top of my head, and I've been ignoring them)
DK
KCC
Below Neutral:
Axel
Cantrip
Fuwa
Possible Scum?
Grape
Killjoy
The really don't wanna touch today category:
Shadow
Chris
might be some inconsistencies, who knows, this is off the top of my head
dont @ me
looks like I missed Vez, ill just /barn Shadow for now
I don't think he is aligned with either if I haven't stated that already, can't remember
I don't agree though that wolf!azreal makes that read on Grape if they are both wolves, it literally has no benefit it all
Not a lot. He may not have specifically stated that wasn't the only reason he has a scum read on me, but he never at any point offered another reason. And, for that matter, he has never even pushed me depsite being in his top two in post 232. The closest he has come was this smear:
The only player you could say I threw "shade" at in 337 (other than Beeboy, who I voted in that post) was Syrenz. And I did some meta research and revisited this shortly after.
Weren't you just voting Azrael like last night?
yes I was, but I decided to 180 it
/shrug
exactly what would you like me to do about it? Ive already expressed thoughts on him
I only disliked the mudslinging he was doing towards my slot
Overall I think Grape has been tonally sound, unlike what Chris believes
some posts feel a little agenda-based which is why he is in my scum leans if I am wrong about someone its probably him
plus I bolded a statement in the quote, that I feel very rarely comes from a town mindset
also more mud-slinging on my slight
I don't really think he has done anything wolfy, but I'd be lying if I didnt expect more from him based on what I've been told
and the last time I played with Azrael was my first game on this site, which I dont really remember, nor do I care enough to reread it
meta reads like that are pretty obnoxious, since there could be a list of reasons why he is playing this way as town
If Chris IS scum, the only part they missed is "he did it because chris loves being right more than he loves quietly killing power roles"
But he responded well enough, even if its a little revisionist but thats how it works when you push things harder than you believe in them for effect. Which is what he was doing regardless of alignment
Uh
No read on chris
I remember that Az likes playing town more than scum and this certainly doesn't look like Az enjoying anything. This isn't the main reason I think he is scum, but it certainly don't help his case.
I don't like the fact that he gave some terrible reads with awful reasoning. I also need to be on the lynch wagon and L-2 is too close for my liking.
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What does this even mean? You said, in the post I quoted: "i think beeboy was role hunting." Now you are not saying that? Now you agree that there are "zero worlds" where his post was a clever and nefarious strategy to out VT.
So, that makes it NAL, yes?
Disagree. Nothing about Cantrip's question implies or hints he's a VT. So you assuming that (1) Beeboy should have had that thought and (2) He should have mentioned it as a basis for his read on Cantrip, is objectively not correct.
I guess we are waiting on Az now. I've looked back at his stuff, and it's pretty bare. Not up to Az standards if you will. That last post where he's trying to be humorous @KCC definitely feels tonally off.
WRT the answer to my question...meh. Something to shelf for later perhaps.
@Axel: as a general rule, I do try to be pretty high effort as scum as well as town, but Vaimes had the right of it; Hill House was 3 in a row in quick succession and I was a bit taxed for effort.
That vote, Unvote, re-vote by DK is pretty darn townie.
He got a reaction, thought about what the reaction means for it being role madness, and didnt think about it for the purposes of reading cantrip.
I...don't think I got that impression. Can you point me to the posts that made you think that?
Just to be sure: you're saying that if either Grape or Az are scum, DK is unlikely to also be scum?
As for Az making that read on buddy!Grape: even within the framework of powerwolfing from a player of Az's caliber/rep?
This is what I was hoping to hear. I iso'd Grape looking specifically for him suspecting you and pretty much found what you were asserting + his 615. I wanted to see if you really had noticed that/were actually considering that when saying he "only" had the you/Vaimes situation as a basis. You've definitely got me rethinking Grape.
Ok.
...not sure how I feel about this response. Ok, I guess...
/barn
Axel's recent posts are little +towns.
Vote Count 1.22
Azrael (7): Cantripmancer, KittyCupCake, Vaimes, Rhand, tomsloger, dkingsland967, vezokpiraka
shadowlancerx (4): Sir Chris, Azrael, killjoy, beeboy
tomsloger (2): Axelrod, Grapefruit21
Sir Chris (1): Fuwa
Abstain (2): Lastwhisper, shadowlancerx
With 16 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch.
Day 1 will end on Friday, August 16th, at 11:59 PM.
Fuwa V/LA until deadline
Lastwhisper V/LA until deadline
Grapefruit V/LA until deadline
What did Az post that you believe was mudslinging toward you/Syrenz? I'd like to hear it in your own words.
But we have to be cautious WITH VEZOK AROUND
vote grape this is a good question.
Axel really wants that to be a thing
vote axel changed my mind this is the scum response to shadow v chris
vote dkings oh hey it me
I didnt and dont scumread him because he talked about role madness i dont find that a useful angle
So are you just joking now? I want what to be a thing?
I really feel like Tom is phoning his effort in.
But that dkings post is even moreso a scum reaction in a vacuum, and hes probably not scum with axel (why even add the conditional to a fake townread if that condition is "that thing that would be true if youre both scum"?
I'd give you more ***** for this if you weren't busy.
@scumteam
And you don’t even explain why that dkings post is scummy.
I think my vote is already on scum, and I really want Az to claim, but I am sold tom is scum too. Even more so if Az is scum.
I have negative interest in literally every other thing on this page.
Also, since Tom moved off and I don’t want to hear some bull crap about not being at claim range:
Vote Az
Tom, what would you say the chances are that scum!you ever self-sacrifices to save buddy!Azreal?
Shadow, can you re-vote Az so that he's officially in claim range?
KCC, ...no thoughts/opinions on Tom's posts this page?
But I think he waited waaay too long to analyze people's reactions to him being scummy on purpose, which. I feel like if the person that does that really is town, it tends to confuse and annoy villagers more often than help them lunch mafia.