hmm it seems I misread your question, @Fuwa, though whole calling someones' read garbage seemed totally left base on the time off the top of my head, but as Tom said last game towards Silver, I dont think I am going to see myself voting off top posting Shadow because micro reads like that
also based on my time on this site, I haven't seen many wolves stray above the middle ground in terms of posts, so id rather look at the content of the low posters
currently still waiting for Azreal to blow my mind, and again, explain why he voted my slot so early on into the game
When you are lying and know you are lying, you will repeat yourself over and over. It is why 100% 'same thing' is a bit odd when questioning someone. Someone giving slightly different answers that make sense isn't 'oops I misremembered' but rather just how memory works.
I've caught way more scum from subtly changing their story as is convenient, but... Okay, I believe that you believe this. -Still doesn't mean you needed to say it before bee even responded. And I still don't think it particularly applied to that situation.
I can understand thinking it is strange, especially since we've never played together, but I really do have a history of accusations of knowing too much because I make aggressive town reads of people. Just how I am.
First off, you are saying Scum Chris decided to announce to the thread that he had seen someone claim power instead of just... quietly noting it and murdering said power at night.
No, I'm saying scumChris needed an example to back his "guileless" claim, and didn't consider the consequences of using this particular example, because there are no consequences to it for scum.
Secondly, you are saying that Scum Chris chose to defend town power who had pressure on them instead of letting towns do what towns do best and eat them alive and hopefully save me as scum the trouble of having to use my night kill on a marginal town player who just happened to roll power by town doing my dirty work for me.
That's not how things happened though. You didn't start off choosing to defend him, you made a throwaway comment that you'd be surprised if he was scum. You didn't start speaking up until shadow pushed you on that read. At that point, it wasn't a choice.
Good townies don't make that post either. No one makes that comment, unless they're under the impression it is common knowledge. And having that impression isn't AI, but where that impression came from might be.
For example. Shadow has gone from "I don't agree with this" to "This is GARBAGE" to "Look man can't we just agree and scum hunt together?" You, KCC, are not happy with how I defended beeboy. You are like "wtf" and are punching me in the face. I like that, it reaffirms my town lean on you I had earlier because you come off earnest despite momentum going away from my lynch. You don't care about momentum, you think I am scum. You are sincere. Shadow, like me, sensed that my lynch was losing steam quickly as he gained votes and cowardly sought to bring me on board to his survival while cloaking himself in his post count as a means to live. For someone who called my read "garbage" and "weak" he was quick to forgive my transgressions.
I suppose we can have a robust discussion about what is needed versus what is not. You say "I should have waited for Bee to respond" and at the time, since he was being wagoned, I thought to give my input into the situation as I consider myself a bulwark against hasty decisions. Also you are thinking a bit two dimensional of what can happen. If Beeboy had come in and said "Yeah, it is like Chris said" without giving good thoughts that would have been a bad look for him in my eyes. Me fielding a theory about someone does not abdicate their responsibility to defend themselves.
"Scum!Chris didn't think-"
Okay you can stop the sentence right there. I am not a sloppy scum player. Years of games to back THAT self-meta up. Pick one.
That's not how things happened though. You didn't start off choosing to defend him, you made a throwaway comment that you'd be surprised if he was scum. You didn't start speaking up until shadow pushed you on that read. At that point, it wasn't a choice.
Interesting you should frame it this way, because when I say "I would be surprised he is scum" to the top wagon at the time that is never meant to be a throwaway line. Ever. It wasn't fleshed out but when I am scum I have to fake my town play, obviously, and my town play is 100% defending my town reads aggressively. So for you to suggest that in this scenario scum chris did this as a thoughtless, throwaway and then was surprised when I was called on it does not align with how I play the game as either alignment. When I think someone is town and they have votes you can always expect a fight. So your theory crumbles because I am not a careless player.
Good townies don't make that post either. No one makes that comment, unless they're under the impression it is common knowledge. And having that impression isn't AI, but where that impression came from might be.
You didn't need that puzzle piece though.
True. Here's the thing though. Let's simplify players into six basic camps: Good-Average-Bad, Scum/Town
Good Town does not do that
Good scum does not do that
Average Town might do that
Average scum does not do that
Bad town does that
Bad scum might do that
So let me explain my reasoning for the lower four, as we are agreed on good quality players not making that play.
SO, the important thing to consider is that scum are the informed minority with team mate support of some capacity (day chat or pre game discussion) so I find it less likely for them to make oddball theory posts like that versus town with the same play level equity. So while an average town player may goof on this because he has no one to bounce ideas off of, an average scum has the leverage of his mates. So even a bad scum could perhaps be saved from blurting this out from that, where bad town just think what is on their mind a lot of the time. Now here's the thing though, if someone is bad scum there's going to be a lot more than one thing to nail them on. So it is the best p[lay almost always to give them some rope and towns will pull themselves up and bad scum tie their noose for me. I gave him rope. He has done what he has done. I let it play out. I counterbalanced the pressure with hope. I have had people relax and chill out when I defend them and I have murdered them for it because I felt like I was being played. My defense, my initial thoughts, are never final. I don't stop at step 1, but it is step 1. Last game day 1 I town read shadow hard, then day 2 I was half/half on him being scum, things change.
Really? We have more town than scum, so any given lynch is more likely to be a mislynch. I guess we should all go home. Shrugs
This is not a good reason for anything.
Yes, exactly, and it is the best reasoning for everything. Every lynch is likely to be a mislynch. So figure out how it is a mislynch and pursue that until you can't any longer. That's my play. I am not built for easy games like last game where it was lng/shadow/vaimes. I don't play for games where I am not needed. People can laugh, say I got carried, oh man I resisted the easy scum lng lynch etc but honestly? I was just annoyed with letting Shadow go day 2. Only bad decision I made and it is because I let go of my rhand town read. That annoyed me. But I cost town nothing because scum was bad and they lost for other reasons. Town didn't need me to murder the scum team, the scum team more or less murdered themselves.
Every lynch is likely to be a mislynch, and that's how I play. Shadow's tone is wildly off, and you are in a tunnel. It's okay, I get used to it.
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That's my play. I am not built for easy games like last game where it was lng/shadow/vaimes.
ill probably get to the rest of this post later, but I feel ya here
as I like to say, "When you play like a diamond player, and you overplay everything", forgetting that your opponents don't think at that level, so you end up outplaying yourself, or in terms of mafia, overlooking simplistic reasons for why someone is probably a wolf, and why someone is just town
that quote is based on my feelings during my years of playing League of Legends
I think it works vice versa, weaker players tend to attack strong players because of paranoia, with the mindset that they always expect a deep wolf
Well, actually, Shadow was completely dismissive in his response to Killjoy here. If you ask someone "Why shouldn't we lynch you?" (which is a bad question in general, basically about as good as "are you scum?") and the person responds "because I'm Town," that player has not, in fact, given you a reason not to lynch them. It's a non-response. A snark, if you will. (the rolleyes is a tiny hint....) Sometimes snarking is justified in the face of bad questions.
Shadow gave three non-responses. Well, the last one "lynching the Top poster is a bad idea" is not completely a non-response, but it is completely non-alignment indicative. I can see Shadow giving snarky responses to Killjoy just due to the fact that it was a bad question, but if you snark at someone then you shouldn't be too surprised when they come back and vote you for it.
Thats the whole point though, the question was a bad question, and even then, I stand by my third point being the actual answer to it. It may be NAI, but it’s also accurate, and a valid answer to the question.
@Fuwa: 506 reads that way because I’m pretty mixed on Chris. Specifically, I agree with almost everything KCC has been saying, and at the same time I can see a world were town!chris believes what he’s said and thinks it makes sense. It’s why I’m voting elsewhere.
I just checked and I'm the second top poster, which is a little weird because I've definitely toned down on LAMIST spam and haven't really been super active.
Sorry if I just missed the posts all together. But can someone tell me why they think Shadow is town?
I see comments on how the scum reads on him are bad or how the players voting him are wolfy but I don't think I see many reasons to actually town read him?
That's honestly going to persuade me to vote Az a lot faster because the only reason I don't want to vote him is because I don't want to easily give up a wagon in compromise of the wagonee's preferred wagon.
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I think Chris and KCC are both town. That fight over Beeboy would have had some sort of pivot if one of them was scum.
I don't get the Az wagon. Cantrips pretty much seems to be a direct response to 522 I guess? I don't know what Shadow and KCC are voting him for. Does 564 have a typo or am I dumb? LW's is downright scummy.
Prefer tom but this is good too. DK's 337 is almost as bad as tom's Beeboy vote and would prefer him as well. Throws a lot of shade around and then votes Beeboy for word vomit and talking about being bad at D1. Which just feels like voting for different more than voting a believed scum read.
@AZ: I expect you'll ignore this question as well, but can you explain why your vote is on shadow, instead of me? -I was the first to vote Chris, for these exact same reasons you are holding against shadow.
I actually already did, and so has Chris. Once again, it's not what you do. It's the way you do it. Your vote on Chris was fine. I wasn't quite sure what to make of that particular Chris post myself. But the way shadow went about his attack, has scum written all over it. Too much hyperbole, too salivating at the prospect of scoring points on him.
Then, there's his defensive posts versus me. Trying to make an argument that he wouldn't possibly attack a town Chris as scum this early in the game, because of potential blowback. Not buying that false premise, at all.
sure, I'll vote Azrael, I still would like to know why he voted me vote: Azreal
and to be fair, Shadow is right, we aren't lynching top-posting Shadow if he is a wolf anyways
Sorry, I just woke up and I like to read threads backwards, I didn't even see this big part.
First off, you are saying Scum Chris decided to announce to the thread that he had seen someone claim power instead of just... quietly noting it and murdering said power at night. Secondly, you are saying that Scum Chris chose to defend town power who had pressure on them instead of letting towns do what towns do best and eat them alive and hopefully save me as scum the trouble of having to use my night kill on a marginal town player who just happened to roll power by town doing my dirty work for me. If someone says in thread that they think it is role madness, unless they are making a play, they have just claimed power of some variety. I mean... duh. Vanillas can't exactly think on role madness very hard. If the scum team is so inept that they didn't figure that out I am not going to be too stressed this game as they suck.
I can see an exceptionally powerful scum team thinking about role madness and discussing it. I also know that scum then wouldn't randomly drop that in the middle of day one. At least not good scum. I always assume if someone makes a 'oops' play, they are town. Why? Because I am right at least 90% of the time. I have been wrong, it's not an exact science, but I know for certain towns mislynch over bad reasoning a lot more than I forgive scum for a mistake. So I play those odds every time, and also see how the person reacts to my defense. I don't just make a read and never change it if need be. It's the first step. Beeboy seems good though.
We have more town than we do scum, so by default it is more likely it is a sloppy town slip. Simple math, really. Also you learn a lot when you push against things. When you think on it. Last game I wasn't at my best for example, but by grinding away at obvious lynches I came away with 'someone was for sure bussing Lng day 1' and I was right, it was Shadow. Who I suspected quite a bit. To his credit he got me off of him day 2 with good play, and then he was shot night 2. But my methods of resisting and then analyzing the resistance led me down a good path even if I was outplayed for a day.
For example. Shadow has gone from "I don't agree with this" to "This is GARBAGE" to "Look man can't we just agree and scum hunt together?" You, KCC, are not happy with how I defended beeboy. You are like "wtf" and are punching me in the face. I like that, it reaffirms my town lean on you I had earlier because you come off earnest despite momentum going away from my lynch. You don't care about momentum, you think I am scum. You are sincere. Shadow, like me, sensed that my lynch was losing steam quickly as he gained votes and cowardly sought to bring me on board to his survival while cloaking himself in his post count as a means to live. For someone who called my read "garbage" and "weak" he was quick to forgive my transgressions.
@chris: Okay, listen, you really do not need to explain the benefits of pushing back against wagons to me. -That's my M.O. And so, I am especially well versed in both the reasons for doing it, and what it looks like to fake it.
Okay you can stop the sentence right there. I am not a sloppy scum player. Years of games to back THAT self-meta up. Pick one.
I don't think it was sloppy. I don't even think you made a mistake mechanically. We're talking about a very minor lapse in mimicking town mindset. No one is perfect.
Interesting you should frame it this way, because when I say "I would be surprised he is scum" to the top wagon at the time that is never meant to be a throwaway line. Ever. It wasn't fleshed out but when I am scum I have to fake my town play, obviously, and my town play is 100% defending my town reads aggressively. So for you to suggest that in this scenario scum chris did this as a thoughtless, throwaway and then was surprised when I was called on it does not align with how I play the game as either alignment. When I think someone is town and they have votes you can always expect a fight. So your theory crumbles because I am not a careless player.
You had like 3 posts in the game at that point, no one would have noticed if you sat out major interaction with that wagon. And I don't think it caught you off guard, necessarily, or that you didn't have an explanation ready if needed, I just don't think plan A was to derail that wagon, but rather to just be on record against it.
So even a bad scum could perhaps be saved from blurting this out from that
If you are town, or even if you just genuinely believe this, I think you overestimate people. I've been on scum teams, with day chat, and still watched players functionally claim scum anyway (not mentioning names).
These things are absolutely worth looking into. Assuming a town explanation gets you nowhere.
I don't want Az to be scum. And I really don't want to deal with trying to lynch him D1 (that's hard enough late game with a mountain of evidence). But, if that's what we're doing
@KCC That doesn't make a ton of sense to me though. You were the third vote on Az. There wasn't a wagon beyond Cantrip having been trying to drum up support for a while. Then Shadow votes with a naked "what if we do this instead" and you're willing to go along with it because it's happening despite you not wanting it to?
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announcing my v/la in thread
ill call this a semi/vla, since I can never seem to stay away from mafia games, if not for other reasons I'd probably be less disconnected from this game
Aug 12-19
gotta pack and from 14-19 ill be in Montreal
Probably the worst possible way to try and start a wagon; one vote, close to deadline, and you won't even be around to push it.
I mean, I’m not opposed to getting a claim from someone. Based on the wagon movement so far today I’m not convinced we can’t build up another if needed though.
I mean, I’m not opposed to getting a claim from someone. Based on the wagon movement so far today I’m not convinced we can’t build up another if needed though.
You're acting like scum + some townies don't like to actually be around for deadline (assuming no one on the scumteam is up for death) so that the active villagers can talk themselves in circles.
I'd be surprised if we had nine active people around deadline.
I am still highly against voting top-posting Shadow
and even outside that, it feels more like hes being proactive this game rather than reactive, like he was in the previous game
back to this then, vote: Azrael
I mean, I’m not opposed to getting a claim from someone. Based on the wagon movement so far today I’m not convinced we can’t build up another if needed though.
What's the alternative? Like if you had complete control of the game right now, what would we be doing if not trying to get a claim from a scummy slot five days from deadline?
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I think Chris and KCC are both town. That fight over Beeboy would have had some sort of pivot if one of them was scum.
I don't get the Az wagon. Cantrips pretty much seems to be a direct response to 522 I guess? I don't know what Shadow and KCC are voting him for. Does 564 have a typo or am I dumb? LW's is downright scummy.
Vez is really townie.
As is Vaimes.
Vote: Tom
Name one thing that makes Azrael a villager, without rereading.
Me, a pretty well known prolific poster was hoping that one of my first posts would draw... no attention? And when it did I was caught or something? KCC, welcome to the tunnel lol.
Also I see no reason to be scum reading Azrael at present. No one has really done a good job of refuting the Shadow wagon beyond 'top poster' which is honestly trash logic.
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I'm back, work is slow, and it's time to catch up.
I think Chris and KCC are both town. That fight over Beeboy would have had some sort of pivot if one of them was scum.
I don't get the Az wagon. Cantrips pretty much seems to be a direct response to 522 I guess? I don't know what Shadow and KCC are voting him for. Does 564 have a typo or am I dumb? LW's is downright scummy.
Vez is really townie.
As is Vaimes.
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Name one thing that makes Azrael a villager, without rereading.
His siding with me versus Shadow tbqh.
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No one. I am not moving my vote off of you, you sneaky scum. You get 1. I told you. You get ONE. You had your one last game.
Your logical progression on me is bad. I am going to hang you for it. Period.
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I also have to agree with Vaimes, though its more like Azrael has done nothing townie nor wolfy for that matter, and I honestly don't understand why he makes that read on Grapefruit in any w/v scenario
Me, a pretty well known prolific poster was hoping that one of my first posts would draw... no attention? And when it did I was caught or something? KCC, welcome to the tunnel lol.
Also I see no reason to be scum reading Azrael at present. No one has really done a good job of refuting the Shadow wagon beyond 'top poster' which is honestly trash logic.
Yes, as we all know Vaimes you don't change your game from one scum game (DitF) to the next (Game of Thrones)
Meaning, Shadow can as well.
Also Scum Shadow last game was a giant ass to me. So no, I don't know that.
Denied.
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Sure it is. And your feeble goading won't work this time, scum. I answer to a higher calling than you.
Also:
I hate these two posts. Calls the b-boy defense garbage, which ok, maybe it is, but being a garbage defense doesn't mean Sir Chris is scum. Oldest trick in the book, to try to get townies to lynch people for something "bad", instead of scummy. And the emotional tone here just drips with the desire to character assassinate.
In the post Az votes Shadow in he offers this, and it is 100% true. Shadow has changed directions on me for no reason. KCC, who is sincere, hates my guts right now because nothing I said has radically changed I just have gone into depth. But shadow is doing tricky stuff and I am just flat out going 'no.'
This is me respecting you enough to put you in the ground day 1. Grats. I RARELY have to break out the full force of my ability to bear down on one target, and am more than happy to give robust opinions and go along with things. HOWEVER, you piqued my interest. I hope you enjoyed making a fool of me once.
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So what, he was a mean little scum to you and this is your revenge? I've got a tiny violint right here with your name on it.
Game of Thrones was different. Not only did I bust my ass for "the last game on MTGS," I was also confident in our team and abilities up until around the point you got yourself killed and Wei started openwolfing with his shot.
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Azrael (4): Cantripmancer, shadowlancerx, KittyCupCake, Lastwhisper
shadowlancerx (4): Sir Chris, Azrael, killjoy, beeboy
tomsloger (3): Rhand, Axelrod, Vaimes
beeboy (2): dkingsland967, tomsloger
Fuwa (1): Grapefruit21
Killjoy (1): vezokpiraka
Sir Chris (1): Fuwa
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With 16 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch.
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And that still isn't one of my issues.
No, I'm saying scumChris needed an example to back his "guileless" claim, and didn't consider the consequences of using this particular example, because there are no consequences to it for scum.
That's not how things happened though. You didn't start off choosing to defend him, you made a throwaway comment that you'd be surprised if he was scum. You didn't start speaking up until shadow pushed you on that read. At that point, it wasn't a choice.
Good townies don't make that post either. No one makes that comment, unless they're under the impression it is common knowledge. And having that impression isn't AI, but where that impression came from might be.
You didn't need that puzzle piece though.
Really? We have more town than scum, so any given lynch is more likely to be a mislynch. I guess we should all go home.
This is not a good reason for anything.
Aww, thanks! -No, I'm not voting shadow.
"Scum!Chris didn't think-"
Okay you can stop the sentence right there. I am not a sloppy scum player. Years of games to back THAT self-meta up. Pick one.
Interesting you should frame it this way, because when I say "I would be surprised he is scum" to the top wagon at the time that is never meant to be a throwaway line. Ever. It wasn't fleshed out but when I am scum I have to fake my town play, obviously, and my town play is 100% defending my town reads aggressively. So for you to suggest that in this scenario scum chris did this as a thoughtless, throwaway and then was surprised when I was called on it does not align with how I play the game as either alignment. When I think someone is town and they have votes you can always expect a fight. So your theory crumbles because I am not a careless player.
True. Here's the thing though. Let's simplify players into six basic camps: Good-Average-Bad, Scum/Town
Good Town does not do that
Good scum does not do that
Average Town might do that
Average scum does not do that
Bad town does that
Bad scum might do that
So let me explain my reasoning for the lower four, as we are agreed on good quality players not making that play.
SO, the important thing to consider is that scum are the informed minority with team mate support of some capacity (day chat or pre game discussion) so I find it less likely for them to make oddball theory posts like that versus town with the same play level equity. So while an average town player may goof on this because he has no one to bounce ideas off of, an average scum has the leverage of his mates. So even a bad scum could perhaps be saved from blurting this out from that, where bad town just think what is on their mind a lot of the time. Now here's the thing though, if someone is bad scum there's going to be a lot more than one thing to nail them on. So it is the best p[lay almost always to give them some rope and towns will pull themselves up and bad scum tie their noose for me. I gave him rope. He has done what he has done. I let it play out. I counterbalanced the pressure with hope. I have had people relax and chill out when I defend them and I have murdered them for it because I felt like I was being played. My defense, my initial thoughts, are never final. I don't stop at step 1, but it is step 1. Last game day 1 I town read shadow hard, then day 2 I was half/half on him being scum, things change.
Yes, exactly, and it is the best reasoning for everything. Every lynch is likely to be a mislynch. So figure out how it is a mislynch and pursue that until you can't any longer. That's my play. I am not built for easy games like last game where it was lng/shadow/vaimes. I don't play for games where I am not needed. People can laugh, say I got carried, oh man I resisted the easy scum lng lynch etc but honestly? I was just annoyed with letting Shadow go day 2. Only bad decision I made and it is because I let go of my rhand town read. That annoyed me. But I cost town nothing because scum was bad and they lost for other reasons. Town didn't need me to murder the scum team, the scum team more or less murdered themselves.
Every lynch is likely to be a mislynch, and that's how I play. Shadow's tone is wildly off, and you are in a tunnel. It's okay, I get used to it.
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ill probably get to the rest of this post later, but I feel ya here
as I like to say, "When you play like a diamond player, and you overplay everything", forgetting that your opponents don't think at that level, so you end up outplaying yourself, or in terms of mafia, overlooking simplistic reasons for why someone is probably a wolf, and why someone is just town
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I think it works vice versa, weaker players tend to attack strong players because of paranoia, with the mindset that they always expect a deep wolf
@Fuwa: 506 reads that way because I’m pretty mixed on Chris. Specifically, I agree with almost everything KCC has been saying, and at the same time I can see a world were town!chris believes what he’s said and thinks it makes sense. It’s why I’m voting elsewhere.
Quick question to people voting shadow: are you high, mafia, or both?
No one even has 100 posts yet.
Y'all slackin'.
Let's run Az up.
I see comments on how the scum reads on him are bad or how the players voting him are wolfy but I don't think I see many reasons to actually town read him?
That's honestly going to persuade me to vote Az a lot faster because the only reason I don't want to vote him is because I don't want to easily give up a wagon in compromise of the wagonee's preferred wagon.
I wanna work with people who I don't see eye to eye with but stuff like this really just isn't cutting it.
I think Chris and KCC are both town. That fight over Beeboy would have had some sort of pivot if one of them was scum.
I don't get the Az wagon. Cantrips pretty much seems to be a direct response to 522 I guess? I don't know what Shadow and KCC are voting him for. Does 564 have a typo or am I dumb? LW's is downright scummy.
Vez is really townie.
As is Vaimes.
Vote: Tom
What exactly is happening here KCC?
Prefer tom but this is good too. DK's 337 is almost as bad as tom's Beeboy vote and would prefer him as well. Throws a lot of shade around and then votes Beeboy for word vomit and talking about being bad at D1. Which just feels like voting for different more than voting a believed scum read.
I know.
I actually already did, and so has Chris. Once again, it's not what you do. It's the way you do it. Your vote on Chris was fine. I wasn't quite sure what to make of that particular Chris post myself. But the way shadow went about his attack, has scum written all over it. Too much hyperbole, too salivating at the prospect of scoring points on him.
Then, there's his defensive posts versus me. Trying to make an argument that he wouldn't possibly attack a town Chris as scum this early in the game, because of potential blowback. Not buying that false premise, at all.
Shocking.
Yeah, this, hard. ^
*turns aheads sideways, narrows eyes*
I don't think it was sloppy. I don't even think you made a mistake mechanically. We're talking about a very minor lapse in mimicking town mindset. No one is perfect.
You had like 3 posts in the game at that point, no one would have noticed if you sat out major interaction with that wagon. And I don't think it caught you off guard, necessarily, or that you didn't have an explanation ready if needed, I just don't think plan A was to derail that wagon, but rather to just be on record against it.
If you are town, or even if you just genuinely believe this, I think you overestimate people. I've been on scum teams, with day chat, and still watched players functionally claim scum anyway (not mentioning names).
These things are absolutely worth looking into. Assuming a town explanation gets you nowhere.
I don't want Az to be scum. And I really don't want to deal with trying to lynch him D1 (that's hard enough late game with a mountain of evidence). But, if that's what we're doing
When you voted the VC was:
shadowlancerx (5): Sir Chris, Azrael, Lastwhisper, killjoy, beeboy
tomsloger (3): Rhand, Axelrod, Vaimes
Sir Chris (2): KittyCupCake, vezokpiraka
beeboy (2): dkingsland967, tomsloger
Azrael (2): Cantripmancer, Shadow
Grapefruit21 (1): Fuwa
Fuwa (1): Grapefruit21
It's not like there weren't other options at the time if you didn't like the shadow wagon.
announcing my v/la in thread
ill call this a semi/vla, since I can never seem to stay away from mafia games, if not for other reasons I'd probably be less disconnected from this game
Aug 12-19
gotta pack and from 14-19 ill be in Montreal
shadowlancerx (5): Sir Chris, Azrael, killjoy, beeboy, Grapefruit21
tomsloger (2): Rhand, Axelrod
beeboy (2): dkingsland967, tomsloger
Killjoy (1): vezokpiraka
Sir Chris (1): Fuwa
Looks like these are our wagons. Vanity voters: pick one.
unvote
@shadow
idk, I was /barning grape tbh lol
We need time to hear a claim and decide if we're lunching them or not.
feels like the same Grape that I played with in the last two games, so town?
I'd be surprised if we had nine active people around deadline.
and even outside that, it feels more like hes being proactive this game rather than reactive, like he was in the previous game
back to this then, vote: Azrael
(didn't notice this till just now)
downright scummy feels more than 50% sure in terms of confidence, yet you couldn't put a read with it?
Also I see no reason to be scum reading Azrael at present. No one has really done a good job of refuting the Shadow wagon beyond 'top poster' which is honestly trash logic.
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His siding with me versus Shadow tbqh.
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2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
Your logical progression on me is bad. I am going to hang you for it. Period.
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2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
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He's happy and actually cares about the game.
He's town.
Meaning, Shadow can as well.
Also Scum Shadow last game was a giant ass to me. So no, I don't know that.
Denied.
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Would love an answer to the question, youcant be so tunneled that you have no other scum reads, that’s not the Chris I know.
Also:
In the post Az votes Shadow in he offers this, and it is 100% true. Shadow has changed directions on me for no reason. KCC, who is sincere, hates my guts right now because nothing I said has radically changed I just have gone into depth. But shadow is doing tricky stuff and I am just flat out going 'no.'
This is me respecting you enough to put you in the ground day 1. Grats. I RARELY have to break out the full force of my ability to bear down on one target, and am more than happy to give robust opinions and go along with things. HOWEVER, you piqued my interest. I hope you enjoyed making a fool of me once.
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2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
Game of Thrones was different. Not only did I bust my ass for "the last game on MTGS," I was also confident in our team and abilities up until around the point you got yourself killed and Wei started openwolfing with his shot.