@Sir Chris: I know you said you were gonna be relatively busy, but uh...do I need to whip you into shape again? Your accuracy suffered, but you were present.
Without doing any re-reading at all, I do not have a strong opinion on him, but he's probably in the bottom half of players. Call it "leaning slightly scum." He's done a few things that I haven't liked, but they're fairly small potatoes, and I'm not convinced it isn't just his natural style rubbing me the wrong way.
Without doing any re-reading at all, I do not have a strong opinion on him, but he's probably in the bottom half of players. Call it "leaning slightly scum." He's done a few things that I haven't liked, but they're fairly small potatoes, and I'm not convinced it isn't just his natural style rubbing me the wrong way.
i meant about d1 massclaiming but
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Not on D1 they aren't. Exactly one of these wagons might accomplish something.
I mostly agree with this, and yet, I feel like voting Az is the right thing to do.
On the somewhat unfortunate and highly frustrating side because I like the activity level the thread has right now, I will not be available again until much later tonight, and then I probably won't be around at all tomorrow, so...
I'd really like Chris and Beeboy to post more, btw.
I was making a dope post but I got called to work and forgot to hit enter or save a draft. I work on call at times so that happens. Still at work.
I think Rhand is town he had 1 podt liked which I can find later and.i also don't mind his scum read on me? His reasoning isn't wrong I didn't know how fast this game would gen content so I pushed something I was neutral on (shadow) and I think spotting that was townie.
My read on shadow I think he is below average atm but not awful.
I am ok with the KJ wagon but not ok with the speed in which it is gaining momentum which is giving me a 2nd thoughts.
My other town read I feel good about I don't remember by name but I'll skim back and loosely find the quote I saved before.
I think Rhand is town he had 1 podt liked which I can find later and.i also don't mind his scum read on me? His reasoning isn't wrong I didn't know how fast this game would gen content so I pushed something I was neutral on (shadow) and I think spotting that was townie.
I spotted what now?
But thanks for the credit I guess?
My town block is forming nicely.
@Azrael: I think it doesn’t help that all games I looked had have Iso in them.
Anyhow, do you have a scum game for me to check?
Eh, let me just point you in the direction of stuff.
Those were all the ones I could quickly spot from the last several years. Apparently I'm not mafia much. I know I was mafia in Crosstown Mafia 3 too, but that seems not to have survived. That would have been a really good one to look at, though.
I don't mind people speedily going after KJ. I just feel like he's an easy misread, generally speaking. Haven't seen much since to change my mind, upon actually looking at the initial case post.
My read on this is similar. To choose to vote even when it means town dies is absolutely self-serving. However, claiming this early does read more town to me and while I'd admit that it has been 7 years, I do remember Vezok being an entirely self-serving player.
It's long weekend in Canada here - will likely be inactive till Monday.
the read in itself is pretty bad, self-serving is a weird way to put it, especially when the only thing any town player knows outside their own mechanical information, is their own alignment
would I lynch someone who I thought was town, to self preserve? hell the **** ya I would
Vezok is a self-serving player, who also makes reads on a pretty shallow level, making it hard to distinguish if he's just open-wolfing or just bad town
I also don't know who claimed I didn't see any claims on my reread
I'm not ignoring Shadow, I'm just not interested in voting him yet. His vote was bad too, as were most of them (rhand and tom) but axel's was the worst.
So, two questions here:
(1) How exactly do you get that my vote was "the worst" out of the string of votes for Killjoy for the exact same reason? Is this purely a timing thing? It seems to me you have to do some serious mental dancing to meaningfully distinguish those votes.
(2) Regardless, I've already come out and said that I was interested in pushing that wagon primarily to see if anything would shake out and less because I actually had a strong read that Killjoy was scum. So, do you not think that's a valid strategy, or do you think I'm not telling the truth about that?
1: Because it was overexplained and self conscious... Which I've said multiple times. You even joked about it.
2: I do think that's a valid reason (and one I use constantly!). I just am not sure that I believe you.
I'm not ignoring Shadow, I'm just not interested in voting him yet. His vote was bad too, as were most of them (rhand and tom) but axel's was the worst. Why do you think he's town?
I agree with his #189 posts about KJ. I'm not a fan of unvote if you don't have a new direction though. Especially when you think your vote is already on scum.
I also like his later responses to Shadow, since I think the same way. What do you think of his explanation for the vote on and unvote on KJ?
So you like his points that amounted to "Yes it was weak but it was worth it to run him up and see what happened because his promise to come back and reply was scummy" but you're also at an 8.5 on KJ being scum? And you're uncomfortable with the unvote? Feels strange that your main point of agreement is him saying the reasons for voting KJ are pretty weak.
Vote: Fuwa
@Shadow I can't argue with that specific semantic argument.
I'm not seeing what you're checking here, yes, I felt the post was town, because I think pushing someone for whatever reason even though weak is pretty townish, especially at early stage, him admitting it was weak was better. But I didn't like that he unvoted while thinking KJ is still scum, and having no one he's going to push. That doesn't change my read that KJ is scum. It just makes my read on Axel not as strong.
I don't understand what I'm replying to. I feel like all I did was repeating myself.
Could you perhaps rephrase that?
Fuwa I mean innocnet like... not like alignment based, like imagine a girl and her dad, and the principle is saying she was caught making out in the broom closet. Dad looks to her, sees big doe eyes with a "who, me?????" look.
That kind of innocent. Your tone and verbiage seem like that, and if that's not normal for you it might be forced.
And I didn't ask you because self meta isn't that useful. I wanted someone else to comment because ironically I'm more likely to get a useful answer out of someone who isn't you.
And I feel like I've covered ad nausium why I never voted.
Question: Why are you voting Grape over me? You obviously think I'm scum but would rather go off in nowheresville on a wagon no one has expressed interest in?
I'm not voting KJ coz I have nothing to add besides vote, may vote EoD though
Umm, I don't think anyone here have proper meta on me. That said, if what you're talking about is my tone, then it's a personal choice of mine to have a cheerful persona (everywhere). It may or may not comes natural but that's imo is NAI.
I'm just really confused by the idea that you think you can town read Axel for pushing any read but also weaken that read for him unvoting. If it was a pressure vote and you liked that part of it why is unvoting once the pressure has had an impact a bad thing? Because you're independently scum reading KJ?
Also I'll echo the tone is probably NAI for Fuwa, but that doesn't make her town.
Okay after Cantrip's last flurry (226) the same number but that's still leaving your reads as completely out of whack.
I don't know what you're trying to communicate here. Clarify please?
I was talking about Shadow's readslist in relation to my own. I liked your posts around 226 and that gave me two town reads in common with him. His just doesn't make any sense to me.
Speaking of @Shadow I'm most interested in Fuwa with a side of Axel. As for you I'm side eyeing you over the reads list. What do you make of the differences between our lists right now and what does that say about me?
the read in itself is pretty bad, self-serving is a weird way to put it, especially when the only thing any town player knows outside their own mechanical information, is their own alignment
would I lynch someone who I thought was town, to self preserve? hell the **** ya I would
Vezok is a self-serving player, who also makes reads on a pretty shallow level, making it hard to distinguish if he's just open-wolfing or just bad town
I also don't know who claimed I didn't see any claims on my reread
Give me reasons on a couple of KCC, Beeboy, DK, axel, and Cantrip.
Sorry it took me a while to get to this:
KCC: A lot of her posting feels busy, like present and commenting without actually saying anything.
Beeboy: His stances seem hollow, he feels like he’s acting a part and we are the audience, almost a self awareness that we aren’t supposed to see.
DK: Guileless, cares about people actually seeing his KK thoughts. I really like his presence when he is here. It feels pure.
Axel: he’s just the villager I’m pocketing Kind of the opposite of Beeboy, he’s not putting on a show, his posts feel like real thoughts.
Cantrip: Partially sheeping Tom (Tom/Cantrip w/w would be very cheeky) and also cantrip seems to be actually trying to figure me out; I think because it’s me he’s a little more...thorough in trying to flesh out my thoughts though.
As far as the difference between our reads lists, I’m not concerned in the slightest, and don’t really think it’s necessary to take it into consideration (certainly not this early in the game). In general I want more from you, I’ve not quite decided where you fall yet.
Give me reasons on a couple of KCC, Beeboy, DK, axel, and Cantrip.
Sorry it took me a while to get to this:
KCC: A lot of her posting feels busy, like present and commenting without actually saying anything.
Beeboy: His stances seem hollow, he feels like he’s acting a part and we are the audience, almost a self awareness that we aren’t supposed to see.
DK: Guileless, cares about people actually seeing his KK thoughts. I really like his presence when he is here. It feels pure.
Axel: he’s just the villager I’m pocketing Kind of the opposite of Beeboy, he’s not putting on a show, his posts feel like real thoughts.
Cantrip: Partially sheeping Tom (Tom/Cantrip w/w would be very cheeky) and also cantrip seems to be actually trying to figure me out; I think because it’s me he’s a little more...thorough in trying to flesh out my thoughts though.
Thanks. I haven't actually read more than like 5 of Beeboy's words but that's the sort of read I can actually believe given his relative lack of content.
That said I think it's funny you're not getting that same vibe off Axel. I am getting whiffs of it (for example: his overexplaining joke and his questioning towards you over why you redacted your thoughts while making it obvious he knew what you were doing). He just feels off to me but he's garnering tons of town reads and I can't wrap my head around why.
I also don't really agree with the KCC characterization. It feels a bit like the Shin archetype you describe but there is a stronger stance taking than you're giving credit for (see the KJ wagon). And I like that combination of traits (talking about everything and taking strong stances on a few things).
I find myself disliking KJ for real after a reread, but I’ve heard that song enough for the time being.
Wait...this doesn't make sense. You jump on the wagon to get a wagon to analyze (ok), you unvote when KJ's at claim range because your intent wasn't to wagon KJ, it was to get a wagon (ok), but then you still think he's scummy, but would rather go tilting at someone who hasn't really posted much yet? If you think KJ is scum, why wouldn't you want to try and get him back to claim range (maybe citing why you found him scummy), even if he's been discussed a lot?
@Cantrip: It’s gross for a couple of reasons. Being willing to lynch people you actively think are town (outside of last second no lynch avoidance, which is bad play on a game wide level for letting it get to that) is a scum mentality. Additionally, saying that up front means that there is no accountability; I can’t ask Vez tomorrow why he lynched someone today, which completely eliminates an avenue of generating a read on him.
As far as why he’s probably town is because he just page one gave out mechanical info, knowing that he was planning to do something that he likely doesn’t want to and knows has bad ramifications.
I feel like there's a minor mindset mismatch in what you're saying. First, you note that it's (according to Vez) for mechanical reasons, so why would it be indicative of a scum mentality? Wouldn't the mechanical aspect put it pretty firmly in the land of NAI? Second, Vez--if telling the truth--knows that he has a reason to be on EVERY wagon, a reason that he won't necessarily be able to explain from his posts. Hence why he's outing that info now. This is why I agree that him doing so is town indicative: 1) he's telling us up front "hey, you won't be able to sort me (as easily) based on my wagon presence". 2) As you mentioned, he's openly sharing info and locking himself into a reality, which scum generally don't like to do (a reality that, also as you said, could be viewed as questionable). The more possibilities they can edge into late game, the better.
So when you said "gross", it felt a little like shade. Because you said you thought it made him town, but you applied a negative connotation up front. Obviously you'd say I'm reading too much into this as either alignment; can you articulate why you'd apply a descriptor that paints Vez's action in a negative light if you think he's town?
On the flip side, how likely do you think it that scum a) fakeclaim as Vez did (that is, not having a mechanical reason for being on every wagon), and b) claim just like Vez did (truly having a mechanical reason for being on every wagon)?
Assuming it's that one meh?... Like I agree that calling it gross but town looks like shade. If I squint I can kind of see a "I'm pushing this because it's objectively correct but don't have any belief behind it" vibe but I don't get that from his other posts. And it's not really my takeaway from this post. Just something that felt like malice when I looking for what you were feeling.
Intake it the rest of his posts didn't move the needle for you?
Rhand: I think it's very likely due to wagon speed+general lack of spelt out reasons during the wagon formation.
Fuwa: And if it's true that your cheerful persona is interntional and widespread, that'll show. Can you link me to a game list for you? Or a couple games?
KCC and Syrenze seem genuinely uninterested in my wagon. For KCC it was concious I think, Syrenze might be ignoring it. Syrenze might not be town in that case.
Why is that the case for Syrenze?
Syrenze just completely didn't even hint at seeing that it was going on. KCC at least seemed generally aware of it and what was going on. Syrenze just kinda commented on it passively and moved on.
Wanna hear some irony? Syrenze's 270 calls me scum a bunch, part of the reason for which is I was calling tom scum but not voting... calls me scum a bunch and doesn't vote (or indicate an intent to do so) and so I'm reading that post as scummy... but he's gone now so. Blah. Welcome Last.
Cantrip: Rhand's process is such that I have noticed a specific approach to the game that Rhand does when he's trying to find scum. It has nothing to do with low posting or low impact (he could do that as scum, idk but that's not what I look for).
LAst I explained that at least once.If not in the wall post then before it.
I don't mind people speedily going after KJ. I just feel like he's an easy misread, generally speaking. Haven't seen much since to change my mind, upon actually looking at the initial case post.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Sorry, dad duty mauled me this week but yesterday was the last full day of me being super dad. Got some doctor appointments today but I will begin to read and see what I can do.
I did glance at a couple of mentions of my name and I'll get to them, but one thing I will not be doing is trying to go out of my way for you again, Shadow. You get one pass from me when you are scum of me not really understanding your range, but you successfully by prodding me forced me out of my comfort zone and made me force some scum reads and try to over think the game. I will not be making the same mistake twice.
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Rhand is town> imo because he went through the trouble of looking through Azraels past games, getting dejavu from two games ago
cant weigh in on how good or bad the read is, but Azrael, if I remember, has been gone for a while, and if this is anything else like the game two games ago, then Rhand is probably wrong here as well
Something about this Fuwa wagon just seems too... I'm not sure what word I'm looking for. Easy? I still think Fuwa is low-hanging fruit, and the disconnect on the Axelrod read that Grape seized on isn't really the big "Ah ha!" moment he made it out to be, and I think the reason he did is because he's scum-reading Axelrod.
@Grapefruit: Why are you hung up on trying to find someone who agrees with your scum reads, rather than just trying to convince us that you're right? You've asked a couple players to specifically provide opinions on your scum reads.
This post is bad. It's a lot of fluff and not much original thought offered. He also proclaimed a couple players as scummy but didn't vote or even express interest in voting anyone. It felt like a post just to post.
On that note, his only previous vote in the entire game was an OMGUS vote on Tom early on. I know Syrenz is gone now, but if I find time to do so I think it would be worth it to look through an old game or two and see if he was normally stingy with his votes.
currently at 4/2/2, hard to say if it means anything right, if killjoy is a wolf, the wolves dont need to do much of anything right now, as the train will probably just die from paranoia, but feels like this may be town based on the rapid growth of the train, since at one point it grew to 6 before dying back down
I think Rhand is town he had 1 podt liked which I can find later and.i also don't mind his scum read on me? His reasoning isn't wrong I didn't know how fast this game would gen content so I pushed something I was neutral on (shadow) and I think spotting that was townie.
I spotted what now?
But thanks for the credit I guess?
I don't like the vomity posts Beeboy made in 305/306. The "I'm a terrible D1 player" line is just an excuse for low activity/low content.
Rhand, you jumped on that weird line and then let it go because you thought it was Fuwa, but I don't think you should have. I went back and took a look over the early posts and what he said is accurate, you called him out with a vote because of a post he made about shadow. However, you quickly dropped it and haven't mentioned Beeboy since. Him bringing it up now shows a lot of self-awareness; he's too cognizant of who has expressed suspicion on him and why.
Unvote
Vote Beeboy
Also, @Azrael: You never gave any insight at all into your "frowns" reads from the early game. I would be interested in hearing that.
I voted vaimes partially because his read on me is demonstrably made up. But mostly because he wouldnt answer me.
question, from what I recall, you've tended to give vaimes the benefit of the doubt due to meta, what has changed here?
thats a major oversimplification and also would only apply if i was trying to kill him or thought he was scum.
Faking a read on me probably isnt even scummy
Yes
I mostly agree with this, and yet, I feel like voting Az is the right thing to do.
On the somewhat unfortunate and highly frustrating side because I like the activity level the thread has right now, I will not be available again until much later tonight, and then I probably won't be around at all tomorrow, so...
I'd really like Chris and Beeboy to post more, btw.
I think Rhand is town he had 1 podt liked which I can find later and.i also don't mind his scum read on me? His reasoning isn't wrong I didn't know how fast this game would gen content so I pushed something I was neutral on (shadow) and I think spotting that was townie.
My read on shadow I think he is below average atm but not awful.
I am ok with the KJ wagon but not ok with the speed in which it is gaining momentum which is giving me a 2nd thoughts.
My other town read I feel good about I don't remember by name but I'll skim back and loosely find the quote I saved before.
I'll pick it up with flips after day 2.
I can't respond to stuff on my phone because I click ads whenever I try and scroll on this site with one.
I spotted what now?
But thanks for the credit I guess?
I was totally convinced that was Fuwa until I saw the quote I just posted.
Eh, let me just point you in the direction of stuff.
Quick town win
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/446827-cyans-impossible-mafia-cyans-pick-game-a-game-over
Mafia Win
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/617101-true-name-mafia-game-over-mafia-victory
SK Win
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/670841-mind-screw-salvation-mafia-endgame-when-the
Quick Town Town
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/763976-2016-mtgs-mafia-invitational-hearthstone-mafia
Town
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/772633-revolution-mafia-game-over-start-of-the-new-era
Town
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/784906-zero-escape-mafia-game-over-no-more-complex
Neutral
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/788489-pirates-mafia-game-over-ghost-ship?page=42
Quick town win
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799971-banned-mafia-game-over-town-landslide-victory
Those were all the ones I could quickly spot from the last several years. Apparently I'm not mafia much. I know I was mafia in Crosstown Mafia 3 too, but that seems not to have survived. That would have been a really good one to look at, though.
Had to go all the way back to 2012 to find another mafia game: https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/446890-cyberspace-mafia-realspace-game-over
I might have finally pulled out of my work death-spiral finally. Until the next every-day crisis, anyways.
the read in itself is pretty bad, self-serving is a weird way to put it, especially when the only thing any town player knows outside their own mechanical information, is their own alignment
would I lynch someone who I thought was town, to self preserve? hell the **** ya I would
Vezok is a self-serving player, who also makes reads on a pretty shallow level, making it hard to distinguish if he's just open-wolfing or just bad town
I also don't know who claimed I didn't see any claims on my reread
1: Because it was overexplained and self conscious... Which I've said multiple times. You even joked about it.
2: I do think that's a valid reason (and one I use constantly!). I just am not sure that I believe you.
I'm just really confused by the idea that you think you can town read Axel for pushing any read but also weaken that read for him unvoting. If it was a pressure vote and you liked that part of it why is unvoting once the pressure has had an impact a bad thing? Because you're independently scum reading KJ?
Also I'll echo the tone is probably NAI for Fuwa, but that doesn't make her town.
I was talking about Shadow's readslist in relation to my own. I liked your posts around 226 and that gave me two town reads in common with him. His just doesn't make any sense to me.
Speaking of @Shadow I'm most interested in Fuwa with a side of Axel. As for you I'm side eyeing you over the reads list. What do you make of the differences between our lists right now and what does that say about me?
Fair.
KCC: A lot of her posting feels busy, like present and commenting without actually saying anything.
Beeboy: His stances seem hollow, he feels like he’s acting a part and we are the audience, almost a self awareness that we aren’t supposed to see.
DK: Guileless, cares about people actually seeing his KK thoughts. I really like his presence when he is here. It feels pure.
Axel:
he’s just the villager I’m pocketingKind of the opposite of Beeboy, he’s not putting on a show, his posts feel like real thoughts.Cantrip: Partially sheeping Tom (Tom/Cantrip w/w would be very cheeky) and also cantrip seems to be actually trying to figure me out; I think because it’s me he’s a little more...thorough in trying to flesh out my thoughts though.
Thanks. I haven't actually read more than like 5 of Beeboy's words but that's the sort of read I can actually believe given his relative lack of content.
That said I think it's funny you're not getting that same vibe off Axel. I am getting whiffs of it (for example: his overexplaining joke and his questioning towards you over why you redacted your thoughts while making it obvious he knew what you were doing). He just feels off to me but he's garnering tons of town reads and I can't wrap my head around why.
I also don't really agree with the KCC characterization. It feels a bit like the Shin archetype you describe but there is a stronger stance taking than you're giving credit for (see the KJ wagon). And I like that combination of traits (talking about everything and taking strong stances on a few things).
I'm not even going to bother casing tom, he can be dealt with later.
So i think ill just point out now that i dont really do that as scum.
I hope to gain a scumread or two soon to start this process
When he's talking about shadow (potentially) shading vezok. Nice lampshade attempt.
Intake it the rest of his posts didn't move the needle for you?
Azrael, why do you think I'm voting you?
Beeboy, why do you think this is a role madness game?
V/LA until Friday
Cantrip is almost surely town just for this post lol.
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Vote Count 1.13
Fuwa (3): KittyCupCake, Grapefruit21, Rhand
Killjoy (2): dkingsland967, vezokpiraka
Grapefruit21 (2): Sir Chris, Fuwa
Cantripmancer (2): Vaimes, Lastwhisper
shadowlancerx (1): beeboy
Lastwhisper (1): Azrael
beeboy (1): shadowlancerx
Azrael (1): Cantripmancer
Vaimes (1): tomsloger
Abstain (2): Killjoy, Axelrod
With 16 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch.
Day 1 will end on Friday, August 16th, at 11:59 PM.
Sir Chris has been prodded.
Cantripmancer is V/LA until the 9th.
Fuwa: And if it's true that your cheerful persona is interntional and widespread, that'll show. Can you link me to a game list for you? Or a couple games?
Syrenze just completely didn't even hint at seeing that it was going on. KCC at least seemed generally aware of it and what was going on. Syrenze just kinda commented on it passively and moved on.
Wanna hear some irony? Syrenze's 270 calls me scum a bunch, part of the reason for which is I was calling tom scum but not voting... calls me scum a bunch and doesn't vote (or indicate an intent to do so) and so I'm reading that post as scummy... but he's gone now so. Blah. Welcome Last.
Cantrip: Rhand's process is such that I have noticed a specific approach to the game that Rhand does when he's trying to find scum. It has nothing to do with low posting or low impact (he could do that as scum, idk but that's not what I look for).
LAst I explained that at least once.If not in the wall post then before it.
Hey Az, what hasn't changed? My misreadability?
Sorry, dad duty mauled me this week but yesterday was the last full day of me being super dad. Got some doctor appointments today but I will begin to read and see what I can do.
I did glance at a couple of mentions of my name and I'll get to them, but one thing I will not be doing is trying to go out of my way for you again, Shadow. You get one pass from me when you are scum of me not really understanding your range, but you successfully by prodding me forced me out of my comfort zone and made me force some scum reads and try to over think the game. I will not be making the same mistake twice.
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I'll let you explain later, but I can't imagine I'll agree with this.
@kj: I was very deliberately avoiding your wagon, and towards the end, fighting every impulse I had to try shutting it down.
@Azrael: Can I get your thoughts on fuwa?
little busy with other games right now
Rhand is town> imo because he went through the trouble of looking through Azraels past games, getting dejavu from two games ago
cant weigh in on how good or bad the read is, but Azrael, if I remember, has been gone for a while, and if this is anything else like the game two games ago, then Rhand is probably wrong here as well
@Grapefruit: Why are you hung up on trying to find someone who agrees with your scum reads, rather than just trying to convince us that you're right? You've asked a couple players to specifically provide opinions on your scum reads.
Where did this come from? If it's related to your exchange on page 5, what did you not like about his answer?
This post is bad. It's a lot of fluff and not much original thought offered. He also proclaimed a couple players as scummy but didn't vote or even express interest in voting anyone. It felt like a post just to post.
On that note, his only previous vote in the entire game was an OMGUS vote on Tom early on. I know Syrenz is gone now, but if I find time to do so I think it would be worth it to look through an old game or two and see if he was normally stingy with his votes.
LW, what did you mean by "currently at 4/2/2"?
I don't like the vomity posts Beeboy made in 305/306. The "I'm a terrible D1 player" line is just an excuse for low activity/low content.
Rhand, you jumped on that weird line and then let it go because you thought it was Fuwa, but I don't think you should have. I went back and took a look over the early posts and what he said is accurate, you called him out with a vote because of a post he made about shadow. However, you quickly dropped it and haven't mentioned Beeboy since. Him bringing it up now shows a lot of self-awareness; he's too cognizant of who has expressed suspicion on him and why.
Unvote
Vote Beeboy
Also, @Azrael: You never gave any insight at all into your "frowns" reads from the early game. I would be interested in hearing that.
Catching scum doesn't need to be hard.
-Not that I'm upset about where your vote is. So
@DK
4/2/2 were the trains when I came in
Im assuming no one would just lie about it someone (not me) could check.
@KCC: Join the Beeboy wagon, it’ll be more fun.
Faking a read on me probably isnt even scummy
I was just boldly assuming.
It took someone a really long time ask this which makes me think I am right.
Nothing based on what I asked the mod or the setup post though.
Idk i havent stopped reading his posts yet.
I think im done trying to read him nonassociatively tbh
Tom's right its 100% not AI.
Especially coming from a site (mafiascum) which is full of players who openly proclaim they suck at day 1.