Cantripmancer now finds himself on the "I won't respond to this person" list after making up reasons to say I am taking "digs" at people. Fuwa said that they didn't know when they would have time to contribute meaningfully.
So yeah if someone else wants to case me, all good. Cantripmancer once again finds himself lost in a desert when it comes to me for some reason or another.
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@cantrip: Aside from players who have a pretty highly self regarded scum game (Tom, Sir Chris), when someone goes out of their way to defend their scum game, it is something that raises my eyebrows. Combine that with how Fuwa phrased the response “I’m not inexperienced scum, just busy [scum]” is the implied sentence in full. That’s what I wanted to read into. Combine that with just really not seeming like she wants to take a stance on Az’s wagon, and generally just seeming like she’s here cause showing up for a deadline is what you’re supposed to do, and I think she’s a reasonable shot at scum.
[quote from="Sir Chris »" url="/forums/community-forums/mafia/812915-modern-mafia-day-1-spine-of-ish-sah?comment=1145"]So you show me what part of that exchange ISN'T just you taking Shadow's cut and paste out of context, not even caring about that original context, just leaping to ANY possible alternative to an Az wagon, and using whatever means necessary to scum read Fuwa?
I actually agree with Chris on this one. I don't see any problem with the quality of this bus
I'll say that Fuwa doesn't strike me as the type of scum player to pop in at the last minute if they have no real idea of what's going on. Like...you've gotta be somewhat aware that town is looking to kill somebody, anybody, so why not a lurker/AFK player?
The fact Fuwa doesn't remember who said the comment also does not strike me as town tbh. "Someone mentioned I am inactive, better be less inactive"
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Cantripmancer now finds himself on the "I won't respond to this person" list after making up reasons to say I am taking "digs" at people. Fuwa said that they didn't know when they would have time to contribute meaningfully.
So yeah if someone else wants to case me, all good. Cantripmancer once again finds himself lost in a desert when it comes to me for some reason or another.
You're belittling Fuwa's contribution, assuming that whatever she could achieve with a deadline would be "very little".
And avoiding my question.
And fabricating reasons that allow you to not answer my questions in the future.
But you do what you have to do.
Tom, so you're voting her because you think there's a good chance she's scum from the last hour appearance + you want a counterwagon?
Shadow, so you think it was a slip, then, even though she was responding specifically to Az's accusation? And no, I have some concerns about Fuwa (a few from before she returned, a few from the return that are weak, and one from the return that I started to go nuts about before realizing that I was probably doing my usual mountain out of a molehill thing), but watching you...and Chris...and Tom all dogpile onto her sets off all kinds of warning bells.
I'm really torn, as well, because I have reasons to want strong competing wagons, so I'd love to make Fuwa a thing, but her wagon has pretty much all my suspects other than Az, and just...no.
EWP: Chris, that's one of my (imo) weak concerns, along with her latching onto that one piece of Az's post when he said so many other things about her there.
I mean, yes. I can make up any reason I want. But the one I will choose now is "I don't appreciate being told I am making digs at people when I am stating the obvious."
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*throws hands up in the air* You can't all be scum!!! I hope.
Vote Fuwa
Will happily switch back to Az.
Chris, seriously, do what you feel you need to do. If I'm getting hung up on a playstyle thing and you're town, I suspect you'll read my posts regardless and respond if appropriate because your desire to figure out the game will overcome your sense of being offended. If you're scum, you've done your due diligence to display that you feel offended, and you can justify ignoring me for at least the rest of the Day. I say this with no absolutely no vitriol intended.
I come from a toxic community. I know what it means to dig at people. I was not.
Anyway what questions do you have for me?
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3. The generic "I like Ike Vezok" in 1126 with no reference as to why.
4. General weirdness regarding the posts she's referenced in her catchup as well as some concerns that she was faking catching up/being directed to certain posts.
Chris, I don't know that I have any specific questions to you atm. As much as I want to have a straight conversation with you about what I perceive as "digs", I've decided I can't really trust having one within the framework of the game (nor can you if you're town). So I'm just going to shelve it, and I hope we can converse post-game.
Shadow, do you think she should claim before she has 7 votes on her?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Also, I’m not pushing Fuwa because of that line I quoted, I’m adding that to things I don’t like from her and since she’s come back I think she’s a fine counterwagon to pursue and see what comes.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Her progression to vote me over KJ was dodgy and even before her v/la she was lurking which is right in her scum meta.
Really willing to go just about anywhere but KJ at this stage. I want no part of killing a cop D1.
Wait what? Explain this?
Which part? They both seem self explanatory? I don't want to kill a claimed cop D1 and fuwa had a really bad progression where she scum read you and then me for defending you and voted me over you despite strongly implying the scum read on you was stronger.
As for the no extension it's the same reason I'm on quasi v/la.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Of note, if would be really silly to get an extension only for us to immediately hammer Az.
@Fuwa: if you had that extension, what could you do that you can’t do with reading during the night phase?
I could vote responsibly instead of a probable sheeping that I'm thinking of doing.
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Also Grape - lurking is not my scum meta
And someone (I skimmed and I'm really sorry I didn't remember who it was) - I'm not inexperience scum. I'm just unfortunately suddenly busy
When did that change? I was strongly under the impression that you hated playing scum, posted less, and frequently replaced out because you found it so unpleasant?
The replaced out line came across more aggressively than I meant it to. I just meant to hammer home my understanding that you do not enjoy playing as scum. Going back to that aborted game I hosted on MAL years back I recalled you posting less than normal.
I do not want to kill Az today. This is basically entirely because of his claim. I realize that would make it a good fake claim but it still is enough for me to prefer just about anything else today.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Perhaps Last would be a good idea? I haven't seen townLast yet and he's been here long enough for that to have manifested already. I've always been able to spot town!last just from his playing the game normally.
This is pretty darn vague, and suggesting I copied it is kind of somewhere between reachy, tunneled, and disingenuous.
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@Shadow: There are better d1 lynches I think. Az, when town, is a force to be reckoned with. If he's scum, that'll show itself eventually.
Actually, in order I'd like to lynch Shadow, Last, either Axel or Cantrip depending on who the more likely scum /barner is, And then perhaps one of KCC or Grape as I'm kinda null on them in a way I don't really like.
There are better D1 lynches....like me? I won’t claim to be on the level of top tier Az, but by that metric, I’ve never been a good day 1 lynch either.
Perhaps Last would be a good idea? I haven't seen townLast yet and he's been here long enough for that to have manifested already. I've always been able to spot town!last just from his playing the game normally.
This is pretty darn vague, and suggesting I copied it is kind of somewhere between reachy, tunneled, and disingenuous.
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@Shadow: There are better d1 lynches I think. Az, when town, is a force to be reckoned with. If he's scum, that'll show itself eventually.
Actually, in order I'd like to lynch Shadow, Last, either Axel or Cantrip depending on who the more likely scum /barner is, And then perhaps one of KCC or Grape as I'm kinda null on them in a way I don't really like.
There are better D1 lynches....like me? I won’t claim to be on the level of top tier Az, but by that metric, I’ve never been a good day 1 lynch either.
Your response to "I think you copied me" is basically "You can't prove I copied this vague statement, and you look bad for suggesting I did." That's not a town response.
You are better than Az. Yes. But why are you making that about you? You asked me why I didn't want to lynch Az. I responded and you... Try to use that to push against your Lynch? What?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
If you don't want to lunch fuwa, then we shouldn't. Especially since no lunch apperently isn't the default. Vote for someone who you want to see lynched.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Of note, if would be really silly to get an extension only for us to immediately hammer Az.
@Fuwa: if you had that extension, what could you do that you can’t do with reading during the night phase?
I could vote responsibly instead of a probable sheeping that I'm thinking of doing.
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Also Grape - lurking is not my scum meta
And someone (I skimmed and I'm really sorry I didn't remember who it was) - I'm not inexperience scum. I'm just unfortunately suddenly busy
When did that change? I was strongly under the impression that you hated playing scum, posted less, and frequently replaced out because you found it so unpleasant?
I think you're mistaken me for someone else. Either that or it did change. I know I enjoy being scum. More than I do as town because faking a read is easier to me than trying to get the right reads.
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I was asleep. I'll answer things in few hours.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I've been spirited away by my wife, so I'm reduced to mobile, at best, for the weekend. Top priorities to read upon my return are Tom and Rhand. KCC and Sir Chris haven't been read yet, and beeboy I need to take a hard second look.
I am possibly willing to rescind my request for an extension, especially if Az is now not going to do the thing which was why I was asking for the extension in the first place, but not with Fuwa unclaimed. That is just dumb.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I am possibly willing to rescind my request for an extension, especially if Az is now not going to do the thing which was why I was asking for the extension in the first place, but not with Fuwa unclaimed. That is just dumb.
So yeah if someone else wants to case me, all good. Cantripmancer once again finds himself lost in a desert when it comes to me for some reason or another.
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Do you think she’s specifically townie?
I actually agree with Chris on this one. I don't see any problem with the quality of this bus
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And avoiding my question.
And fabricating reasons that allow you to not answer my questions in the future.
But you do what you have to do.
Tom, so you're voting her because you think there's a good chance she's scum from the last hour appearance + you want a counterwagon?
Shadow, so you think it was a slip, then, even though she was responding specifically to Az's accusation? And no, I have some concerns about Fuwa (a few from before she returned, a few from the return that are weak, and one from the return that I started to go nuts about before realizing that I was probably doing my usual mountain out of a molehill thing), but watching you...and Chris...and Tom all dogpile onto her sets off all kinds of warning bells.
I'm really torn, as well, because I have reasons to want strong competing wagons, so I'd love to make Fuwa a thing, but her wagon has pretty much all my suspects other than Az, and just...no.
EWP: Chris, that's one of my (imo) weak concerns, along with her latching onto that one piece of Az's post when he said so many other things about her there.
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As far as not wanting to vote with me/Tom/Chris, I think it’s too early in the game for reads to get that much in the way of another read.
Think the whole popin looks like someone that's only read scumchat and his AZ read is very "better comment on the wagon"
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Azrael (6): Cantripmancer, KittyCupCake, Vaimes, Rhand, dkingsland967, vezokpiraka
Fuwa (4): Grapefruit21, Sir Chris, shadowlancerx, tomsloger
shadowlancerx (2): killjoy, beeboy
Sir Chris (1): Fuwa
Vaimes (1): Azrael
tomsloger (1): Axelrod
Abstain (1): Lastwhisper
With 16 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch.
Day 1 will end on Friday, August 16th, at 11:59 PM.
Fuwa V/LA until deadline
Lastwhisper V/LA until deadline
Grapefruit V/LA until deadline
beeboy V/LA until deadline
Vote Fuwa
Will happily switch back to Az.
Chris, seriously, do what you feel you need to do. If I'm getting hung up on a playstyle thing and you're town, I suspect you'll read my posts regardless and respond if appropriate because your desire to figure out the game will overcome your sense of being offended. If you're scum, you've done your due diligence to display that you feel offended, and you can justify ignoring me for at least the rest of the Day. I say this with no absolutely no vitriol intended.
Anyway what questions do you have for me?
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1. Doesn't specify who she would probably sheep/onto whom in 1115.
2. This line feels like she's asking "how did you catch me?":
3. The generic "I like
IkeVezok" in 1126 with no reference as to why.4. General weirdness regarding the posts she's referenced in her catchup as well as some concerns that she was faking catching up/being directed to certain posts.
Chris, I don't know that I have any specific questions to you atm. As much as I want to have a straight conversation with you about what I perceive as "digs", I've decided I can't really trust having one within the framework of the game (nor can you if you're town). So I'm just going to shelve it, and I hope we can converse post-game.
Shadow, do you think she should claim before she has 7 votes on her?
Unvote vote fuwa
And didnt know i was now til yesterdayish...
I also would like to point out that Shadow restated my thoughts on Wisp as his own. Shadow is scum. Can we pretty please Lynch him?
It's 1075.
Which part? They both seem self explanatory? I don't want to kill a claimed cop D1 and fuwa had a really bad progression where she scum read you and then me for defending you and voted me over you despite strongly implying the scum read on you was stronger.
As for the no extension it's the same reason I'm on quasi v/la.
When did that change? I was strongly under the impression that you hated playing scum, posted less, and frequently replaced out because you found it so unpleasant?
I do not want to kill Az today. This is basically entirely because of his claim. I realize that would make it a good fake claim but it still is enough for me to prefer just about anything else today.
Vote Fuwa
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I won't be around at deadline if it stays and I don't really want to lynch Fuwa.
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You are better than Az. Yes. But why are you making that about you? You asked me why I didn't want to lynch Az. I responded and you... Try to use that to push against your Lynch? What?
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Fuwa (7): Grapefruit21, Sir Chris, shadowlancerx, tomsloger, Cantripmancer, KittyCupCake, vezokpiraka
Azrael (3): Vaimes, Rhand, dkingsland967
shadowlancerx (2): killjoy, beeboy
Sir Chris (1): Fuwa
Vaimes (1): Azrael
tomsloger (1): Axelrod
Abstain (1): Lastwhisper
With 16 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch.
Day 1 will end on Friday, August 16th, at 11:59 PM.
Fuwa V/LA until deadline
Lastwhisper V/LA until deadline
Grapefruit V/LA until deadline
beeboy V/LA until deadline
For the record I have Azrael, vezokpiraka, and Axelrod requesting a deadline extension right now.
@ Mod - Fuwa also asked for an extension, per above.
Which is good, because while I very much appreciate not being dead, lynching a player unclaimed isn't exactly great either.
Not lynching Az 3 days ago was dumb.