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Game Setup:
What's Up, Doc? Open Micro for 7 Players
1x Town Doctor
1x Town Macho Cop (Protective abilities used on this player won't prevent a kill.)
3x Town Vanilla
1x Mafia Roleblocker
1x Mafia Goon
Game notes:
• Mafia have both Daychat and Nightchat.
• The town win condition is "You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated."
• The mafia win condition is "You win when you control the lynch or nothing can prevent that from being the case."
• Sample Town Vanilla Role PM:
Osieorb18,
Welcome to What's Up Doc Mafia!
You are Bugs Bunny, Town Vanilla.
You have no abilities beyond your voice and your vote.
Please let me know if you have any questions, and confirm that you've read and understand your role by responding to this message.
Bugs Bunny is lounging in a hammock in his warren, demolishing a carrot in record time. Behind him, a beautifully wrapped gift topped with a giant green and blue striped bow lowers on a string into his hole. A tiny bell rings from outside the hole, and Bugs turns around, spotting the gift. With a smirk, he ambles over and puts it up to his ear, the tell-tale ticking clearly audible. With a sigh, he swings the gift over to a pneumatic tube marked "Bomb Gifts" and tosses the package in, snipping the string with a pair of scissors. The tube whisks the package up and away, and Bugs shuffles back across the room and hops back into his hammock.
BOOM!
An explosive device under the hammock, pressure-rigged to the next occupant, explodes, obliterating the warren. Seen from above, nothing remains but a smoking crater.
From behind various trees, rocks, bushes, and other assorted landscaping, seven nefarious looking characters creep, looks of incredulity, suspicion, and shock on their faces. Bugs had long been a thorn in many sides, but he was never supposed to actually be killed. Someone has deviated from the mutually agreed upon script.
From behind another tree, a tall detective wearing a brown trenchcoat and a bristly mustache appears. Striding briskly, he approaches the crater and looks down, shaking his head with a tsk tsk.
I,he growls, am Inspector Mortaire, and NO ONE leaves the scene! Pulling several spades out of his sleeve, he tosses them to the various characters surrounding him. Quick, the poor victim may still be alive. Dig! And I will solve this case by the time we find the body, or I will turn in my badge in shame.
The seven characters around him began frantically digging, dirt flying everwhere, as the inspector began to question each in turn...
Sadly in a micro that’s all too possible. Less so with you pointing it out, but I’ve seen weirder. Also less possible if you’re scum.
I saw this last night. What's are your thoughts about Tom pointing it out? I don't see any opinions here, just information (and information we kinda already knew).
@Tom I seriously considered putting you at L-1 just for being so aware of votes this early. Eventually I decided not to. Why should/shouldn't I?
@Mifare Is a short/small game a good thing or a bad thing?
I feel like it’s in Tom’s best interest to point it out regardless of alignment, and would have been very leery if you had put him at L-1. Why do you think that would be a good thing to do 10 posts in?
Well, I figured he's got a 33% chance of being scum, just randomly. And then if he IS town, who would hammer except scum? right? So we're doing a 1 for 1.
My only hesitation was, that I don't know roughly 3/4ths of the game, and I didn't want somebody's first mafia experience ever to be like "oh, I'll do what everyone else is doing, and accidentally cause town to lose day 2.
You should go peruse some micros in the past couple years, fast hammers are somewhat more common and come from both alignments accidentally (or on purpose).
You’re more worried about first experiences than a quick lynch?
Speaking of new people, hello Beer and Mifar! What sort of Mafia experience do you have? I recommend getting an avatar for us to recognize you by.
You should go peruse some micros in the past couple years, fast hammers are somewhat more common and come from both alignments accidentally (or on purpose).
that's probably good advice. This is my first micro.
You’re more worried about first experiences than a quick lynch?
I'll clarify, because I'm not sure that statement reflects what I was saying. I was more concerned that a newish town played would see 3 votes, and not think through hammering Tom (which would lead to scum killing a town player overnight, and then we'd lynch the hammering vote, and then scum kills another town, and then they control the vote and we lose). Either not realizing it was a hammer, or thinking that Rod's/Your vote was a serious/genuine attempt at finding and killing scum. So that's was my biggest reason for not specifically voting Tom then, "10 posts in" as you put it.
I'm less concerned with quick lynches. My personality is usually more shoot from the hip, trust my instincts, than it is to over-analyze. So I don't usually mind if a lynch comes about quickly, so long as all the votes are real, and all the people are reasonably satisfied with that vote.
Sadly in a micro that’s all too possible. Less so with you pointing it out, but I’ve seen weirder. Also less possible if you’re scum.
I saw this last night. What's are your thoughts about Tom pointing it out? I don't see any opinions here, just information (and information we kinda already knew).
@Tom I seriously considered putting you at L-1 just for being so aware of votes this early. Eventually I decided not to. Why should/shouldn't I?
@Mifare Is a short/small game a good thing or a bad thing?
Quoting on this site is strange. I like smaller games.
You should go peruse some micros in the past couple years, fast hammers are somewhat more common and come from both alignments accidentally (or on purpose).
You’re more worried about first experiences than a quick lynch?
Speaking of new people, hello Beer and Mifar! What sort of Mafia experience do you have? I recommend getting an avatar for us to recognize you by.
I was more concerned that a newish town played would see 3 votes, and not think through hammering Tom (which would lead to scum killing a town player overnight, and then we'd lynch the hammering vote, and then scum kills another town, and then they control the vote and we lose). Either not realizing it was a hammer, or thinking that Rod's/Your vote was a serious/genuine attempt at finding and killing scum. So that's was my biggest reason for not specifically voting Tom then, "10 posts in" as you put it.
I think you guys are better than that. I don't know Tom's alignment. You asked specifically WHY I didn't vote him. Which is, that the risk isn't worth the reward. And the risk is, he's town.
Ironically, that response makes me feel better about Tom, and worse about Shadow. I personally think you just couldn't hold in the glee. Tom's response was at least thoughtful, emotionless.
Ironically, that response makes me feel better about Tom, and worse about Shadow. I personally think you just couldn't hold in the glee. Tom's response was at least thoughtful, emotionless.
Vote Shadow
Gleeful is apt, not often scum are caught halfway through page one.
You should go peruse some micros in the past couple years, fast hammers are somewhat more common and come from both alignments accidentally (or on purpose).
You’re more worried about first experiences than a quick lynch?
Speaking of new people, hello Beer and Mifar! What sort of Mafia experience do you have? I recommend getting an avatar for us to recognize you by.
Hi!
I think I understand the rules of this game so that's a start I guess. Finally managed to set up everything on mobile (am on the road). Time to sleep now I will be around tomorrow.
Widely regarded as the greatest Warner Bros cartoon ever, What's Opera Doc? featured Bugs Bunny and Elmer Fudd in a parody of several of Wagner's operas, specifically Der Ring des Nibelungen (The Ring of the Nibelung), Der Fliegende Holländer, and Tannhäuser. What song, sung by Fudd to the music of "Ride of the Valkyries", appears to give Bugs Bunny particular cause for alarm?
a) "Wabbit Stew Fit for the Gods"
b) "Kill the Wabbit"
c) "The Wabbit Hunt"
Kill the wabbit! KILL THE WABBIT! KILL THE WAAAAAABBBIT!
Pretty sure Mind slipped that Tom is town, hence the vote.
Vote Rod you realize my Tom Vote was RVS right?
It was more the mind vote.
Yes. Obvious team of me and Mind. Good skills Shadow.
Cept a few other people haven't posted.
One scum might be in the lurkers. But M1ndreaver slipped knowing Tom town. You defended him when his wagon grew. This post is you saying "Hey, guys, look over there instead!" Why are you trying to detract from visible information?
Ironically, that response makes me feel better about Tom, and worse about Shadow. I personally think you just couldn't hold in the glee. Tom's response was at least thoughtful, emotionless.
Vote Shadow
Gleeful is apt, not often scum are caught halfway through page one.
I’m at Mind/Rod, obviously.
M1ndreaver/Rodemy is possible. Were you gleeful? Gleeful is a strong descriptor for "Hah nice catch." M1ndreaver/Rodemy contains at least 1 scum, most likely. I believe that you and Tom are town.
Jesus ******* christ someone unvote now. Please. Thanks.
Your vote on tom was too quick. Even if it was RVS we need to be mindful of how close we get someone to lynching.
Mirefair is town.
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Thinking about a mindreaver/mifare team where he called out his buddy, town ran with it, and he immediately tried to hunt for minds buddy first
If he was that sure on the slip why not vote him then
And if he isnt that sure hes getting ahead of himself
Etc
Either way mind flip would be first step for me. Rod or mif if scum? Shadow+___ if town?
Too early for any of this really i dont even know if i think mind is scum yet but thats some early worldbuilding
Thinking about a mindreaver/mifare team where he called out his buddy, town ran with it, and he immediately tried to hunt for minds buddy first
If he was that sure on the slip why not vote him then
And if he isnt that sure hes getting ahead of himself
Etc
Either way mind flip would be first step for me. Rod or mif if scum? Shadow+___ if town?
Too early for any of this really i dont even know if i think mind is scum yet but thats some early worldbuilding
Analysis of M1ndreaver's reaction to the push is important.
I think you guys are better than that. I don't know Tom's alignment. You asked specifically WHY I didn't vote him. Which is, that the risk isn't worth the reward. And the risk is, he's town.
Like, yes im voting mind rn. I think its very possible he just sort of mindset slipped about me.
But its definitely viable hes thinking through implications of game size and maybe skipping some steps but that can happen he can totally be town here too.
Like, yes im voting mind rn. I think its very possible he just sort of mindset slipped about me.
But its definitely viable hes thinking through implications of game size and maybe skipping some steps but that can happen he can totally be town here too.
Why were you ok with going rodemy first?
Rodemy appears to be a loose cannon. Swinging at windmills to avoid thinking.
@Mifare, you seem really set on me. Can you do me a favor, and since it's only a few posts, give me your read on shadow?
Like, I get it, you think it's this huge gotcha. But honestly, the way the conversation developed we were never really talking about the 33% random chance that tom was scum. I understand Tom saying I only paid lip service to it, but this whole situation is literally me saying I wanted him at L-1, completely blind, completely randomly.
Please take a look at how Shadow phrased his question to me in #16. That was the second post of his that pinged me (#10's IIOA was the first, for the record).
As far as scumbuddies with me (which one way or another will be disproved), I'll give my thoughts anyway. I'm usually easy to read as scum, because I actually hate being scum, it ruins the whole game for me. I really just like solving, and that will eventually shine through, somebody will cop me, or I'll die. I will feel badly if I end up the lynch because of some "omg he slipped" stuff, becasue that would mean Shadow just straight up outplayd me, and me trying to be reasonable bit me in the ass. But I don't necessarily see that happening. In my best scum game, I bussed my team into the ground (and there are lots of examples where I just implode because I can't muster the effort needed to save myself). It's not outside my wheelhouse to link Tom and I together, but honestly I'd be more likely scum with Shadow right now, based on how I usually play. As far as Rodemy, I've been scum with him twice, and literally every time he does a crazy "scum would never do that" gambit. So he'd be the most likely partner on my wagon.
K, now that I've indulged that world that doesn't exist, I'm going to think about worlds that do. I do think Shadow is scum, I'm gonna leave my vote there. So far he's encouraged conversation, without providing any details, and has managed to get onto a lot of wagons that might have been quick lynches without a ton of thought or reasoning. I don't think it's an accident that he's agreeing with you. As far as what that means... I think shadow doesn't exactly come out swinging like this if he's got a really strong scum partner, who can steer the conversation (ie, Tom). He's possible with Rod, because I think that kind of gamble is right up Rod's alley.
It's also possible you're shadow's partner. I think if Shadow was town and you weren't, Shadow would be dead right now. Yes, you'd face scrutiny tomorrow, but so would Rod and Tom. So I'm forced to conclude you're either town, or you're both wolves.
@Mifare, you seem really set on me. Can you do me a favor, and since it's only a few posts, give me your read on shadow?
Like, I get it, you think it's this huge gotcha. But honestly, the way the conversation developed we were never really talking about the 33% random chance that tom was scum. I understand Tom saying I only paid lip service to it, but this whole situation is literally me saying I wanted him at L-1, completely blind, completely randomly.
Please take a look at how Shadow phrased his question to me in #16. That was the second post of his that pinged me (#10's IIOA was the first, for the record).
As far as scumbuddies with me (which one way or another will be disproved), I'll give my thoughts anyway. I'm usually easy to read as scum, because I actually hate being scum, it ruins the whole game for me. I really just like solving, and that will eventually shine through, somebody will cop me, or I'll die. I will feel badly if I end up the lynch because of some "omg he slipped" stuff, becasue that would mean Shadow just straight up outplayd me, and me trying to be reasonable bit me in the ass. But I don't necessarily see that happening. In my best scum game, I bussed my team into the ground (and there are lots of examples where I just implode because I can't muster the effort needed to save myself). It's not outside my wheelhouse to link Tom and I together, but honestly I'd be more likely scum with Shadow right now, based on how I usually play. As far as Rodemy, I've been scum with him twice, and literally every time he does a crazy "scum would never do that" gambit. So he'd be the most likely partner on my wagon.
K, now that I've indulged that world that doesn't exist, I'm going to think about worlds that do. I do think Shadow is scum, I'm gonna leave my vote there. So far he's encouraged conversation, without providing any details, and has managed to get onto a lot of wagons that might have been quick lynches without a ton of thought or reasoning. I don't think it's an accident that he's agreeing with you. As far as what that means... I think shadow doesn't exactly come out swinging like this if he's got a really strong scum partner, who can steer the conversation (ie, Tom). He's possible with Rod, because I think that kind of gamble is right up Rod's alley.
It's also possible you're shadow's partner. I think if Shadow was town and you weren't, Shadow would be dead right now. Yes, you'd face scrutiny tomorrow, but so would Rod and Tom. So I'm forced to conclude you're either town, or you're both wolves.
@Vezok, @Beer - Your thoughts on any of this?
I will rate Shadowlancerx's posts 1-5. 1 is very scummy. 5 is very towny.
Shadow:
#8 - 4 - RVS vote. Shadowlancerx joins a train early. If town, this might be trying to advance the game for reactions. If scum, this might be trying to trip people up early. Trying to make waves is usually a little more town.
#10 - 4 - Shadowlancerx considers the possibilities of the train. It looks that he had this thought process before the vote, which appears a little more town than scum.
#14 - 5 - I agree with shadowlancerx. Him calling you out for implying that L-1 might be a good idea that early is a great look.
#16 - 2 - Encouraging conversation here does not show alignment. The callout is a little scummy.
#22 - 3 - The second vote on a train in response to the slip. Unless scum is tomsloger+shadowlancerx, or not communicating well, the voting pattern does not show alignment.
#27 - 2 - Retribution vote on Rodemy is not good. Rest of the post repeats my catch of your possible slip.
#28 - 4 - This is a bad post for scum to make and an okay post for town. As scum, this ties early. As town, he builds a world early. His following of your wording does not show alignment.
#30 - 4 - This is a good defense. Rodemy's reason is hasty.
Thinking about a mindreaver/mifare team where he called out his buddy, town ran with it, and he immediately tried to hunt for minds buddy first
If he was that sure on the slip why not vote him then
And if he isnt that sure hes getting ahead of himself
Etc
Either way mind flip would be first step for me. Rod or mif if scum? Shadow+___ if town?
Too early for any of this really i dont even know if i think mind is scum yet but thats some early worldbuilding
Mif could have hammered me and didn't. Thoughts?
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Thinking about a mindreaver/mifare team where he called out his buddy, town ran with it, and he immediately tried to hunt for minds buddy first
If he was that sure on the slip why not vote him then
And if he isnt that sure hes getting ahead of himself
Etc
Either way mind flip would be first step for me. Rod or mif if scum? Shadow+___ if town?
Too early for any of this really i dont even know if i think mind is scum yet but thats some early worldbuilding
Mif could have hammered me and didn't. Thoughts?
When could that have happened?
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What's Up Doc?
An Open Micro Setup for 7 Players
Modded By Cantripmancer
Reviewed by ganderin_dan and Osieorb18
Welcome to What's Up Doc Mafia!
The Loonies:
1. MifareSX
2. Rhand (replaces BeerofDiscord (mentored by Rhand))
3. Rodemy
4. shadowlancerx
5. vezokpiraka
Anvilled
1. M1ndreaver, Marvin the Martian, Town Vanilla, lunched D1.
2. tomsloger, Wile E. Coyote, Town Doctor, killed N1.
3.
Backup Animations:
1. Lastwhisper
1. Have fun. Don't make the game not fun for others.
2. Play the game by posting regularly.
3. I'd like to try shorter phases, so I'm planning on 96-hour Days and 24-hour Night action submission deadlines, with ~12 hours after Night deadlines before the next Day begins. If you feel like this will be an issue, please let me know and we can look at other options.
#1: Have fun, be respectful towards the other players and follow the normal forum rules. This is a game, which we're playing for fun. Expect a low tolerance for flaming.
Mafia is a game, we’re here to have fun. Please be respectful of your fellow players. Sometimes emotions run high and we get caught up in the moment. That is not an excuse for flaming or poor sportsmanship.
Also, remember that image leeching is not allowed on MTGSalvation.
While profanity itself is not against the forum rules, and you are free to include profanity in your posts as appropriate, certain words are automatically censored by forum software. Do not attempt to evade the censor. Self-censoring, any attempt to 'cheat' a word past the censor, or attempting to clarify what a censored word is, are all considered censor evasion. If you're going to swear, just swear.
While I don't care about cursing, I will report, replace, and/or modkill you for derogatory content, in particular, slurs, in relation to another user or person, at my own reasonable discretion.
#2: Keep the out-of-game separate from the in-game. This is a modkillable offence.
#3: DO NOT edit, delete, or thank posts. Even if it’s an accidental double post. This is a modkillable offense.
#4: No funny business. DO NOT use invisible text, cryptography, tiny writing, hidden messages, acronym/alphabet claims, or similar. DO NOT post after you are dead. DO NOT post if you are not a player. This is a modkillable offense.
#5: Post game-related content at least once every 48 hours. LET'S MAKE THIS A REPLACEMENT-FREE GAME, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.
#6: I make no promises about public answers to any question. If you have a question about your role or a rules interaction, please communicate with me privately.
#7: By confirming that you have received your Role PM you also confirm that you have read it. Not reading your Role PM is a reportable offense.
#8: Once lynch threshold is reached, votes are considered locked in. Votes and unvotes made after that will not be counted. (This is known as the Twilight phase.)
#9: If deadline is reached and no player has reached lynch threshold, the day ends with no lynch.
#10: Make your votes clear to the mod. BOLD your votes and place them on separate line.
#11: Scum players may submit actions for other scum players if the other scum player has not submitted an action. However, if the other player ever submits an action, their fellow scum cannot change what that player submitted.
#12: DO NOT POST IN THE THREAD DURING THE NIGHT PHASE, UNLESS YOUR ROLE SAYS OTHERWISE.
TL;DR: Be excellent to each other, post something substantial every 48 hours, ask me questions in private when possible, don’t edit or delete posts, no funny business involving cryptography, etc. and... have fun, that’s the whole point.
Game Setup:
Open Micro for 7 Players
1x Town Doctor
1x Town Macho Cop (Protective abilities used on this player won't prevent a kill.)
3x Town Vanilla
1x Mafia Roleblocker
1x Mafia Goon
Game notes:
• Mafia have both Daychat and Nightchat.
• The town win condition is "You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated."
• The mafia win condition is "You win when you control the lynch or nothing can prevent that from being the case."
• Sample Town Vanilla Role PM:
Welcome to What's Up Doc Mafia!
You are Bugs Bunny, Town Vanilla.
You have no abilities beyond your voice and your vote.
Please let me know if you have any questions, and confirm that you've read and understand your role by responding to this message.
Cantrip
Bugs Bunny is lounging in a hammock in his warren, demolishing a carrot in record time. Behind him, a beautifully wrapped gift topped with a giant green and blue striped bow lowers on a string into his hole. A tiny bell rings from outside the hole, and Bugs turns around, spotting the gift. With a smirk, he ambles over and puts it up to his ear, the tell-tale ticking clearly audible. With a sigh, he swings the gift over to a pneumatic tube marked "Bomb Gifts" and tosses the package in, snipping the string with a pair of scissors. The tube whisks the package up and away, and Bugs shuffles back across the room and hops back into his hammock.
BOOM!
An explosive device under the hammock, pressure-rigged to the next occupant, explodes, obliterating the warren. Seen from above, nothing remains but a smoking crater.
From behind various trees, rocks, bushes, and other assorted landscaping, seven nefarious looking characters creep, looks of incredulity, suspicion, and shock on their faces. Bugs had long been a thorn in many sides, but he was never supposed to actually be killed. Someone has deviated from the mutually agreed upon script.
From behind another tree, a tall detective wearing a brown trenchcoat and a bristly mustache appears. Striding briskly, he approaches the crater and looks down, shaking his head with a tsk tsk.
I,he growls, am Inspector Mortaire, and NO ONE leaves the scene! Pulling several spades out of his sleeve, he tosses them to the various characters surrounding him. Quick, the poor victim may still be alive. Dig! And I will solve this case by the time we find the body, or I will turn in my badge in shame.
The seven characters around him began frantically digging, dirt flying everwhere, as the inspector began to question each in turn...
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Day 1 has begun!
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lunch.
D1 deadline is set for 2:30pm MST on Saturday, July 20th.
Imma get you
vote rod
Bring it on
Just names on a page
I await the yolo lynch
Do you have rivalry with tomsloger?
7 players is not much so this game should go very quickly.
But weve got something going on
@Tom I seriously considered putting you at L-1 just for being so aware of votes this early. Eventually I decided not to. Why should/shouldn't I?
@Mifare Is a short/small game a good thing or a bad thing?
My only hesitation was, that I don't know roughly 3/4ths of the game, and I didn't want somebody's first mafia experience ever to be like "oh, I'll do what everyone else is doing, and accidentally cause town to lose day 2.
You’re more worried about first experiences than a quick lynch?
Speaking of new people, hello Beer and Mifar! What sort of Mafia experience do you have? I recommend getting an avatar for us to recognize you by.
I'll clarify, because I'm not sure that statement reflects what I was saying. I was more concerned that a newish town played would see 3 votes, and not think through hammering Tom (which would lead to scum killing a town player overnight, and then we'd lynch the hammering vote, and then scum kills another town, and then they control the vote and we lose). Either not realizing it was a hammer, or thinking that Rod's/Your vote was a serious/genuine attempt at finding and killing scum. So that's was my biggest reason for not specifically voting Tom then, "10 posts in" as you put it.
I'm less concerned with quick lynches. My personality is usually more shoot from the hip, trust my instincts, than it is to over-analyze. So I don't usually mind if a lynch comes about quickly, so long as all the votes are real, and all the people are reasonably satisfied with that vote.
Quoting on this site is strange. I like smaller games.
I have played Mafia for 4 years.
How do you know Tom is town this early?
Looks like only lip service given to the possibility of me being scum
vote mind
Vote Mindreaver
Vote Shadow
vote shadow
Oh Tom. <3
Honestly same.
vote shadow
His vote on tom and then his vote on mind were too quick esspecially in a game this small.
Vote Rod you realize my Tom Vote was RVS right?
I’m at Mind/Rod, obviously.
It was more the mind vote.
Yes. Obvious team of me and Mind. Good skills Shadow.
Cept a few other people haven't posted.
vote rodemy
Hi!
I think I understand the rules of this game so that's a start I guess. Finally managed to set up everything on mobile (am on the road). Time to sleep now I will be around tomorrow.
Rodemy (3): MifareSX (#11), shadowlancerx (#27), tomsloger (#31)
shadowlancerx (2): M1ndreaver (#24), Rodemy (#26)
Not voting: BeerofDiscord, vezokpiraka
With 7 alive; it takes 4 to lunch!
D1 deadline is set for 2:30pm MST on Saturday, July 20th.
As always, please let me know if you believe I have made an error.
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Widely regarded as the greatest Warner Bros cartoon ever, What's Opera Doc? featured Bugs Bunny and Elmer Fudd in a parody of several of Wagner's operas, specifically Der Ring des Nibelungen (The Ring of the Nibelung), Der Fliegende Holländer, and Tannhäuser. What song, sung by Fudd to the music of "Ride of the Valkyries", appears to give Bugs Bunny particular cause for alarm?
a) "Wabbit Stew Fit for the Gods"
b) "Kill the Wabbit"
c) "The Wabbit Hunt"
One scum might be in the lurkers. But M1ndreaver slipped knowing Tom town. You defended him when his wagon grew. This post is you saying "Hey, guys, look over there instead!" Why are you trying to detract from visible information?
M1ndreaver/Rodemy is possible. Were you gleeful? Gleeful is a strong descriptor for "Hah nice catch." M1ndreaver/Rodemy contains at least 1 scum, most likely. I believe that you and Tom are town.
Your vote on tom was too quick. Even if it was RVS we need to be mindful of how close we get someone to lynching.
Mirefair is town.
vote mindreaver
Tom what are you doing with your life?
Just tompin around.
Thinking about a mindreaver/mifare team where he called out his buddy, town ran with it, and he immediately tried to hunt for minds buddy first
If he was that sure on the slip why not vote him then
And if he isnt that sure hes getting ahead of himself
Etc
Either way mind flip would be first step for me. Rod or mif if scum? Shadow+___ if town?
Too early for any of this really i dont even know if i think mind is scum yet but thats some early worldbuilding
Vote: M1ndreaver
Analysis of M1ndreaver's reaction to the push is important.
The level of thought in post #23 is light for after-the-fact. He did not address the reason that his main thought process involved you as town.
Like, yes im voting mind rn. I think its very possible he just sort of mindset slipped about me.
But its definitely viable hes thinking through implications of game size and maybe skipping some steps but that can happen he can totally be town here too.
Why were you ok with going rodemy first?
Rodemy appears to be a loose cannon. Swinging at windmills to avoid thinking.
Like, I get it, you think it's this huge gotcha. But honestly, the way the conversation developed we were never really talking about the 33% random chance that tom was scum. I understand Tom saying I only paid lip service to it, but this whole situation is literally me saying I wanted him at L-1, completely blind, completely randomly.
Please take a look at how Shadow phrased his question to me in #16. That was the second post of his that pinged me (#10's IIOA was the first, for the record).
As far as scumbuddies with me (which one way or another will be disproved), I'll give my thoughts anyway. I'm usually easy to read as scum, because I actually hate being scum, it ruins the whole game for me. I really just like solving, and that will eventually shine through, somebody will cop me, or I'll die. I will feel badly if I end up the lynch because of some "omg he slipped" stuff, becasue that would mean Shadow just straight up outplayd me, and me trying to be reasonable bit me in the ass. But I don't necessarily see that happening. In my best scum game, I bussed my team into the ground (and there are lots of examples where I just implode because I can't muster the effort needed to save myself). It's not outside my wheelhouse to link Tom and I together, but honestly I'd be more likely scum with Shadow right now, based on how I usually play. As far as Rodemy, I've been scum with him twice, and literally every time he does a crazy "scum would never do that" gambit. So he'd be the most likely partner on my wagon.
K, now that I've indulged that world that doesn't exist, I'm going to think about worlds that do. I do think Shadow is scum, I'm gonna leave my vote there. So far he's encouraged conversation, without providing any details, and has managed to get onto a lot of wagons that might have been quick lynches without a ton of thought or reasoning. I don't think it's an accident that he's agreeing with you. As far as what that means... I think shadow doesn't exactly come out swinging like this if he's got a really strong scum partner, who can steer the conversation (ie, Tom). He's possible with Rod, because I think that kind of gamble is right up Rod's alley.
It's also possible you're shadow's partner. I think if Shadow was town and you weren't, Shadow would be dead right now. Yes, you'd face scrutiny tomorrow, but so would Rod and Tom. So I'm forced to conclude you're either town, or you're both wolves.
@Vezok, @Beer - Your thoughts on any of this?
I will rate Shadowlancerx's posts 1-5. 1 is very scummy. 5 is very towny.
Shadow:
#8 - 4 - RVS vote. Shadowlancerx joins a train early. If town, this might be trying to advance the game for reactions. If scum, this might be trying to trip people up early. Trying to make waves is usually a little more town.
#10 - 4 - Shadowlancerx considers the possibilities of the train. It looks that he had this thought process before the vote, which appears a little more town than scum.
#14 - 5 - I agree with shadowlancerx. Him calling you out for implying that L-1 might be a good idea that early is a great look.
#16 - 2 - Encouraging conversation here does not show alignment. The callout is a little scummy.
#22 - 3 - The second vote on a train in response to the slip. Unless scum is tomsloger+shadowlancerx, or not communicating well, the voting pattern does not show alignment.
#27 - 2 - Retribution vote on Rodemy is not good. Rest of the post repeats my catch of your possible slip.
#28 - 4 - This is a bad post for scum to make and an okay post for town. As scum, this ties early. As town, he builds a world early. His following of your wording does not show alignment.
#30 - 4 - This is a good defense. Rodemy's reason is hasty.
Final Score: 3.5/5
Mif could have hammered me and didn't. Thoughts?
When could that have happened?