...I knew I shouldn't have posted. That was snark. I have prominent, well-respected players on other sites dismissing all my reads and telling me I'm doing it wrong, so I'm a bit salty.
Heh that does explain the first level play Chris was showing. That kept me confused.
@tom: any other reason you can think of for Chris doing that other than what he just explained?
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(If your last post contained the answer then make it more clear for me pls )
@cantrip: I think it’s a positive glimmer because it was the start of Chris not grandstanding but maybe actually doing things. If he continues to no do things and goes back to grandstanding, I’ll be right back on him.
@grapefruit: it was underwhelming in general, but it was at least something in the very disappointing iso Chris has thus far.
Maybe I’m giving him too much credit, still gonna see where he goes from here before I push back there though.
Shadow / Chris not w/w, Shadow's stance here is a bit too nuanced for a partner read as I recall from his previous wolf games... which is all of them except Avalon we've been in together I think lol.
I may check the thread one more time before bed if you have any burning questions; I expect to make very few, if any, posts tomorrow.
...I knew I shouldn't have posted. That was snark. I have prominent, well-respected players on other sites dismissing all my reads and telling me I'm doing it wrong, so I'm a bit salty.
To be clear I wasn't scum reading you for it but if someone was to push you for an opportunistic push I would have expected them to mention it. My point regarding Chris wasn't that all of those points are ones I believe but they were all points I'd expect someone trying to figure you out to dig into. Chris didn't and just did the most blatantly surface level play possible, which does not sound like town!Chris to me.
Heh that does explain the first level play Chris was showing. That kept me confused.
@tom: any other reason you can think of for Chris doing that other than what he just explained?
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@Grape: same question for you.
Ummm I think a reason for Chris to do that other than what he said is he's scum and looking for easy pushes to make. Which is why I voted him on that reasoning. I'm really not sure why you're asking me this unless I misunderstood your question.
@Shadow so Chris taking any action is a positive to you?
I totally get it. It's super humbling/humiliating to play in unfamiliar places and just have people dump all over your ideas. No judgement here or viewing it as AI. I just thought other people would.
@Cantrip: whow did you go from voting me to voting Chris while his only beef was with me?
Am I scum if Chris is town?
...? I had retracted my suspicion on you long (ok, not in post count, but two whole days had passed) before I voted Chris. I certainly don't see the two of you as a dichotomy. His position on you didn't factor into my vote on him.
@cantrip: I think it’s a positive glimmer because it was the start of Chris not grandstanding but maybe actually doing things. If he continues to no do things and goes back to grandstanding, I’ll be right back on him.
...even though what he did was questionable-to-bad?
I have a follow up for you, but not yet. So I don't forget, I'm posting a reminder to myself: 488 watermelons.
...I knew I shouldn't have posted. That was snark. I have prominent, well-respected players on other sites dismissing all my reads and telling me I'm doing it wrong, so I'm a bit salty.
To be clear I wasn't scum reading you for it but if someone was to push you for an opportunistic push I would have expected them to mention it.
Oh, I know. If I had thought you were attacking me I would have addressed all three of your bullet points. But that one is fueled at least in part by external factors, and I'm sorta frustrated with myself for dragging my emotion from that in here and making it part of this game, so I wanted to clarify.
@Silver: Is Avalon really the only other game I’ve been town in with you? O.o
Also, you do you but scum!me is definitely capable of making tha read on Chris (the real reason we’re not partners is because if I was scum/scum with Chris, I’ll get exactly zero credit based on this wobble is he flips)
@Grapefruit: no, Chris could do plenty of things that would not endear him to me, but I can’t really gauge them until he does /something/.
@cantrip: I’m unconvinced that it’s bad objectively, especially if you’re actually a wolf. (Also would be a really funny partner interaction, certainly in scum!chris’ wheelhouse)
@Grapefruit: no, Chris could do plenty of things that would not endear him to me, but I can’t really gauge them until he does /something/.
@cantrip: I’m unconvinced that it’s bad objectively, especially if you’re actually a wolf. (Also would be a really funny partner interaction, certainly in scum!chris’ wheelhouse)
So he did something you found underwhelming and that it was better than nothing and you didn't want to push there yet based on it. I'm really struggling to make heads or tails of your "too much credit line". If you mean that as in benefit of the doubt then I guess it makes sense, but you have made it clear you're not giving him any credit for his Cantrip push.
Also he did do something. He made a push that is as surface level'y and blatantly similar to his Shin bus in GoT (Which you agree with). It had no depth, was from an obvious trap, and showed no insight into anything Cantrip did except for be the third voter. Which is weak on it's own. What I thought was worse was his handling of Rhand. I don't think Rhand acquitted himself poorly it's just Rhand is strong enough to do that as either alignment. And again Chris' big reasoning was that he pushed hard. Which is so weak.
@Grape: my concern is that Chris is a very strong player while his push on me was very weak.
The only reason I can think off for him doing that is what he explained.
The gotcha is weak indeed, but I think he believes it?
Assume Tom is scum for a second. In that case, is Tubba more likely to be town or scum?
I don't know? Are you commenting on the lack of interaction between the two until you question Tom in 146?
Tit for tat: you never answered my question in 142.
Sorry, I missed that one. I don't know. If I was already reading Rhand as scum I would probably think it a bigger deal, but currently have Rhand as town. So.. I will have to chew on it.
Re: Tubba, Tom seemed to jump in as soon as Tubba was threatened with a focus on me. I think Tom knows he is good enough to get me lynched, and assumed he can pave any blowback towards Tubba.
But with Tubba looking townies lately, I am wondering if Tom just wanted to stand up for him for town points. That feels more like something Chris might do than Tom, as Tom usually brags more about taking down scum than defending town, but maybe?
Dont think how chris is moving is particularly sexy, but at least hes moving.
Not sure on cantrip anymore really. Seems like hes just pent up.
If chris is innocent, grape possibly the scum pushing him instead. Grapes push kinda thirsty and lacking thoughtfulness.
Exactly my thoughts.
If Chris is town, then it’s a bummer that he springed his trap on Cantrip, because I’m not sure if Cantrip is even a catch.
If Grape is indeed scum, Cantrip might very well be scum too though with how Grape spoilered the reasons why Cantrip could be seem as scum without the sprung trap.
Lngrr still looks like hes been a bad boy. That last post was his first in 3 days and he used it to say... that his scumread of me has nothing to do with tubba....
@Chris: were you expecting certain players to step into your trap? we
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Cantripmancer actually. I was isoing him before he voted me. I was delighted when he voted.
Wednesdays are show days for me and thus dead, will post a lot of stuff tonight.
Also maybe I am mean but I have eaten Rhand so much when he is scum I don't view him as a strong scum player. So when he chooses to come for me it is like "ok that's a good take" because Rhand knows more than most what a conflict with me looks like.
Aldo pretty sure I have done more than almost anyone in the game and I keep getting talked about which is a great place to be because I love when people give takes.
On mobile so if i missed questions let me know. I thought Silver was OK. I think he or cantrip did something that I didnt like that pinged me about him though so I will try to track that down later.
Grape does seem a bit hot and bothered, in agreement with Tom. Everything ok mr fruit?
It is always the little things that make me know I am doing right despite being called weak. Have you noticed yet? You are all caught up in my pace and are exactly where I want you to be. Discussing me, giving opinions about the one known quantity I have so I can get deeper reads.
Give me a little rope and I will clear 4 townies and make a noose for a wolf by day's end. Feeling good about the say as it unfolds.
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@Grapefruit: no, Chris could do plenty of things that would not endear him to me, but I can’t really gauge them until he does /something/.
@cantrip: I’m unconvinced that it’s bad objectively, especially if you’re actually a wolf. (Also would be a really funny partner interaction, certainly in scum!chris’ wheelhouse)
So he did something you found underwhelming and that it was better than nothing and you didn't want to push there yet based on it. I'm really struggling to make heads or tails of your "too much credit line". If you mean that as in benefit of the doubt then I guess it makes sense, but you have made it clear you're not giving him any credit for his Cantrip push.
It was underwhelming in what I hope from Chris, but it was far and above the first real thing he did this game, and it showed potential enough that I want to see where he goes with it. I’d be happier if he stopped spending so many words on how he’s going to do things and actually did things though.
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Also he did do something. He made a push that is as surface level'y and blatantly similar to his Shin bus in GoT (Which you agree with). It had no depth, was from an obvious trap, and showed no insight into anything Cantrip did except for be the third voter. Which is weak on it's own. What I thought was worse was his handling of Rhand. I don't think Rhand acquitted himself poorly it's just Rhand is strong enough to do that as either alignment. And again Chris' big reasoning was that he pushed hard. Which is so weak.
While I agree with your premise, it’s not really about that. Chris has a lot of ground still to cover before I’m okay with him, but he gave at least a baseline sufficient reason for the issues I had, and if his presence improves that’s a good thing for the game overall, regardless of his alignment.
My initial vote wasn’t “lynch this end the day now”, more it was “hmm I want to see what happens if I do this” with a side of “it Chris is scum then pegging him early would be funny”.
Basically Tom is saying everything I’ve trying to express but in quick snippets.
Oh geesh harking back to my glory days before I had an SO, a kid, and an often intense job. You are getting me fired up to rekindle my FLAMES OF YOUTH and do Chris things all over scum's collective faces.
Sure.
So in post 12 Shin makes the type of comment that scumbuddies are not likely to make: pointless observational. He observes that Cantrip put "a lot of thought" into a post and I read that s a mild ping and genuine. These are the tiny things I like to look for and if Cantrip is scum I'd feel comfortable just clearing Shin based off of this. This is furthered by Cantrip word vomiting an explanation about how he compiled stats etc. Felt almost defensive, which again I would not expect from scumbuddies interacting early.
Another town point for Rhand: When I asked about Ruma he kind of looked at me as if to say "What the heck am I supposed to think, dude's done nothing" a non answer but one that is derived not from needing to appease me, but an attempt to be honest and open with their opinions - a hallmark of town.
Contrast this with Cantripmancer who provided an answer of "I was surprised he liked my #9." Or in another way, "I am a town member and I am expressing surprise that another player likes the content I have put forward" which to me does not seem genuine. It feels like he felt pressured to provide some sort of answer and gave the only thing he could think of - oh yeah he reacted to me, how zany.
I don't think it is AI but Lng basically telling GF "you aren't very good at this whole bragging thing" made me chuckle.
GF I see you are looking for tips not to be over confident. It's really easy, remember all of the times you sucked and then read the game naturally. It's what I do! I am always open to being wrong and I am statistically speaking one of the best players in the world when limitations on my time are not brutal. But it's like Baseball, Mike Trout succeeds like 48% of the time and he's the best.
Interestingly two people I am not fond of probably aren't aligned in Lng and GF after Lng's analysis of GF's play. Felt either like a genuine confusion on Lng's part or trying to sell that story to GF for him to be pocketed.
So Shadow is a strong town read because he seems invested in not even accepting an OK game from me, which would be very reckless as scum shadow because I believe shadow has been on the host or observer end of many of my best games, and if I remember right he had some very kind thoughts on my 2015 year where I hellmurdered scum just about every game I was town. So Shadow, being a chessmaster in his own right, wants his Queen to be as destructive as possible, or to find the smudge that reveals the white coat I claim to have is just a veneer for the dark heart underneath.
I love it because it is working, by the way. I have a busy schedule but I see Shadow's disappointment and it is just like "oh geesh I just can't abide such sadness at my play, guess I have to turn it up a couple more notches." Good show, Shadow, sometimes I forget just what a monstrous force I can be. Thank you for the motivation.
Cantrip/Silver probably unaligned based on Silver's keen observation about RVS unvoting and general vibe about the questioning.
i get a bad vibe from Will. That's the extent of that, but I am bookmarking that in my mind.
It'd be funny, following on Silver's point, if Ruma is scum with Cantrip and this epic RVS analysis by Silver which should probably never occur has beared fruit. Not sure where Silver's vote is now BUT you always go for cantrip over ruma I think, as Ruma's "sus" but not vote seems more likely to me to be wolf/wolf.
In fact feeling compelled to answer for ruma makes that make even more sense in theory, hoho it'd be scary if I was that good this early.
If that is true then Tubba is never aligned with them due to following up on that (GOOD question from Tubba btw, that's a very insightful question in my view so town points as that is not something that leaps off the page to many I feel like.)
Oh man Will has no experience with mafia. Nevermind he is town lol. I always easy gut check newbies. He feels like a tourist. "Oh man I can use smilies. How neat everyone"
GF hot take of "Cantrip seems pure" makes me question GF's ability or alignment, I don't know which though.
So yeah lots of interesting little interactions that once one scum domino falls should make things interesting.
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Lngrr still looks like hes been a bad boy. That last post was his first in 3 days and he used it to say... that his scumread of me has nothing to do with tubba....
Lngrr still looks like hes been a bad boy. That last post was his first in 3 days and he used it to say... that his scumread of me has nothing to do with tubba....
Hey, you're talking to a certified "Site Development Associate" now. (Which... you know, I probably won't put on my resume, but it counts for 3 credits so... *shrug*)
I'm trying to figure out why you defend Tubba that vigorously in that situation, and why Shadow jumps on quickly. The easiest answer is you two just decided to powerwolf this game. But if so, why defend Tubba and try to lynch me? Haven't worked that out yet.
@Chris, like, you broke down nearly everyone in that post but... no mention of Tom whatsoever. Why?
In that portion of the game Tom was doing roleplaying things, nothing really was comment worthy to me.
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You jumped on me directly after I voted Tubba with the reasoning that it was premature. Not straight up defending, but going on offense against me I see as defense for Tubba there.
I think grapefruit is whispering sweet nothings but he doesn't mean them.
Like, idk if its true or not, but grape does believe I'm easier to read under... heavy restriction.
When I do something like flavor text or a spider, I have no room for my standard tom levels of obfuscation as I'm just trying to get my point across.
And grapes stance if this was something like that makes a lot of sense.
But it isn't.
How I'm playing this game is merely additive, just an added bit of fun. I am... completely unfettered
I strongly believe he just wants to love and leave me.
Lngrr+grape+??
I think grapefruit is similar to last game which means he's just town, like hes literally not doing anything differently. Thought I guess his role last game could have made a difference. I can't however speak for how he is reading you because I am not a fan of his thought process there, I just don't think that alone is good enough for me to call him scum.
Its fine either way I enjoyed your post, part of me wants to sweep it under the rug for being a newer player but the amount of thought you put in that post says otherwise. I can tell later in the game I will have a hard time reading you.
If I wanted to do that I wouldn't have pushed back on Shin's claim I had a town read on you. I don't. I just think I'll be able to read you. Also your take requires me to know your internal rules for this level of persona. Which unless I missed a post where you set some public ground rules is something I can't know. Judging based on the thread to when I made my claim you were pretty far in character and have come a bit out of it since that stage.
But you are correct that my stance is to sit back and watch you go to work for a bit rather than sorting you now.
You should have kept in mind the game had just started and was in a state of silliness.
You caught me when I checked the thread on my phone before bed lol. I can stay up for a little while maybe, supposed to be getting up in like six hours though.
There are a few reasons for voting Rhand over LnGrrr: the Chris vs Rhand thing feels more interesting/important than whatever LnGrrr is doing (to be frank, I know he's posted a bit but I can't remember anything he's said so far).
Also the wagons are tied up this way, though 2/2 wagons probably don't tell us tooo much I feel like having Rhand/LnGrrr wagons at 2 are better than just a single LnGrrr one at 3.
I kinda feel like voting Rhand is a cop out, no? Like atleast for not it seems to me those two are town even though chris is as arrogant as ever.
Shin what evil agenda does asking for an opinion hold?
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I don't know much about chris, but this post is on a completely different level than what I saw from him in the last game as his scum buddy. Still don't understand the reasoning behind why my reaction to cantrip clears me, is there some meta thing behind it?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
The wind continues to whistle outside. Rapid skittering echoes in the walls, though it's hard to hear given the size of the house. There's a lot of conversation. Then, again, that grandfather clock.
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Cantripmancer (2) - Will-98 (#38), Sir Chris (#231),
Sir Chris (2) - Cantripmancer (#230), Grapefruit21(#249)
Rhand (1) - Silvercrys3467 (#209)
LnGrrrR (1) - tomsloger (#144)
tomsloger (1) - LnGrrrR (#153)
Grapefruit21 (1) - Rhand (#268)
Not Voting: Rumanshi, Tubba Fett, Vaimes, shadowlancerx
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Guess I'd say the townreads I'm most confident aren't pulling the wool over my eyes are Will and Ruma.
Will is posting deliberately awful stuff if he's scum, and Ruma not trusting shadow rings sincere. Pretty weird line to take as scum, discrediting shadow but also not really.
Chris also seems town, but I'm gonna sit on that one for a bit. I know his weaknesses now.
Wolfy pop-in. I started responding to Chris, but ran out of time. tl;dr, I'm impressed by how much of what he posted sounds like he legitimately believes it, but if he's relying on me to be the wolf domino that topples the scum team, my flip is going to disappoint him. But either way, at this point, he's unlikely to back down on me, since his ego won't let him if he's town and if he's scum he knows his town ego won't let him, so I need to dissect the things he found of interest and try to see if I can see which mindset they come from.
I may not be able to post again for 12+ hours, so I wanted to reassure Chris that I'm not cowardly trying to hide in the shadows.
@Rhand: thoughts on cantrip’s comment about chris’ Ego? Certainly Chris has one, but I’ve also seen him actually be able to get there on someone before and change his mind, so it kind of strikes me the wrong way.
Like, if Cantrip is scum, it would be a pretty good way to brush off Chris here and dismiss him.
Actually, @cantrip, with the above taken into account, do you have that little faith in Chris correctly reading/faking a correct read on you here?
Cantripmancer, what is the full list of games we've played together?
*tilts head*
I get the feeling you're about to have a very bad day in 12 hours time because I will say this: one of the hallmarks of my play, one of the things I hang my hat on as a player and that I am proud of, is that I have never been too bad to abandon a read and go "oh I messed this up, change of direction."
So... I wonder what scum buddy whispered in your ear to mistakenly make you have that opinion, sir.
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After two straight games and like, several months of not really reading Grape's posts and letting him get himself killed, it's really, really hard to suddenly try and start to read him. Voting him is like a reflex at this point.
Which is to say I'm gonna ignore slash defend him for a bit. If needed.
Dont think how chris is moving is particularly sexy, but at least hes moving.
Not sure on cantrip anymore really. Seems like hes just pent up.
If chris is innocent, grape possibly the scum pushing him instead. Grapes push kinda thirsty and lacking thoughtfulness.
Exactly my thoughts.
If Chris is town, then it’s a bummer that he springed his trap on Cantrip, because I’m not sure if Cantrip is even a catch.
If Grape is indeed scum, Cantrip might very well be scum too though with how Grape spoilered the reasons why Cantrip could be seem as scum without the sprung trap.
Why would me spoiling the reasons be relevant?
Anyway Chris' increased activity and reasoning is reassuring.
Vote: Rhand
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@Grape: same question for you.
Am I scum if Chris is town?
@grapefruit: it was underwhelming in general, but it was at least something in the very disappointing iso Chris has thus far.
Maybe I’m giving him too much credit, still gonna see where he goes from here before I push back there though.
Shadow / Chris not w/w, Shadow's stance here is a bit too nuanced for a partner read as I recall from his previous wolf games... which is all of them except Avalon we've been in together I think lol.
I may check the thread one more time before bed if you have any burning questions; I expect to make very few, if any, posts tomorrow.
To be clear I wasn't scum reading you for it but if someone was to push you for an opportunistic push I would have expected them to mention it. My point regarding Chris wasn't that all of those points are ones I believe but they were all points I'd expect someone trying to figure you out to dig into. Chris didn't and just did the most blatantly surface level play possible, which does not sound like town!Chris to me.
Ummm I think a reason for Chris to do that other than what he said is he's scum and looking for easy pushes to make. Which is why I voted him on that reasoning. I'm really not sure why you're asking me this unless I misunderstood your question.
@Shadow so Chris taking any action is a positive to you?
...even though what he did was questionable-to-bad?
I have a follow up for you, but not yet. So I don't forget, I'm posting a reminder to myself: 488 watermelons.
Oh, I know. If I had thought you were attacking me I would have addressed all three of your bullet points. But that one is fueled at least in part by external factors, and I'm sorta frustrated with myself for dragging my emotion from that in here and making it part of this game, so I wanted to clarify.
Also, you do you but scum!me is definitely capable of making tha read on Chris (the real reason we’re not partners is because if I was scum/scum with Chris, I’ll get exactly zero credit based on this wobble is he flips)
@Grapefruit: no, Chris could do plenty of things that would not endear him to me, but I can’t really gauge them until he does /something/.
@cantrip: I’m unconvinced that it’s bad objectively, especially if you’re actually a wolf. (Also would be a really funny partner interaction, certainly in scum!chris’ wheelhouse)
So he did something you found underwhelming and that it was better than nothing and you didn't want to push there yet based on it. I'm really struggling to make heads or tails of your "too much credit line". If you mean that as in benefit of the doubt then I guess it makes sense, but you have made it clear you're not giving him any credit for his Cantrip push.
Also he did do something. He made a push that is as surface level'y and blatantly similar to his Shin bus in GoT (Which you agree with). It had no depth, was from an obvious trap, and showed no insight into anything Cantrip did except for be the third voter. Which is weak on it's own. What I thought was worse was his handling of Rhand. I don't think Rhand acquitted himself poorly it's just Rhand is strong enough to do that as either alignment. And again Chris' big reasoning was that he pushed hard. Which is so weak.
The only reason I can think off for him doing that is what he explained.
The gotcha is weak indeed, but I think he believes it?
Sorry, I missed that one. I don't know. If I was already reading Rhand as scum I would probably think it a bigger deal, but currently have Rhand as town. So.. I will have to chew on it.
Re: Tubba, Tom seemed to jump in as soon as Tubba was threatened with a focus on me. I think Tom knows he is good enough to get me lynched, and assumed he can pave any blowback towards Tubba.
But with Tubba looking townies lately, I am wondering if Tom just wanted to stand up for him for town points. That feels more like something Chris might do than Tom, as Tom usually brags more about taking down scum than defending town, but maybe?
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Not sure on cantrip anymore really. Seems like hes just pent up.
If chris is innocent, grape possibly the scum pushing him instead. Grapes push kinda thirsty and lacking thoughtfulness.
Exactly my thoughts.
If Chris is town, then it’s a bummer that he springed his trap on Cantrip, because I’m not sure if Cantrip is even a catch.
If Grape is indeed scum, Cantrip might very well be scum too though with how Grape spoilered the reasons why Cantrip could be seem as scum without the sprung trap.
vote Grapefruit
Also, I’m allergic to citrus.
Lngrr still looks like hes been a bad boy. That last post was his first in 3 days and he used it to say... that his scumread of me has nothing to do with tubba....
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Cantripmancer actually. I was isoing him before he voted me. I was delighted when he voted.
Wednesdays are show days for me and thus dead, will post a lot of stuff tonight.
Also maybe I am mean but I have eaten Rhand so much when he is scum I don't view him as a strong scum player. So when he chooses to come for me it is like "ok that's a good take" because Rhand knows more than most what a conflict with me looks like.
Aldo pretty sure I have done more than almost anyone in the game and I keep getting talked about which is a great place to be because I love when people give takes.
On mobile so if i missed questions let me know. I thought Silver was OK. I think he or cantrip did something that I didnt like that pinged me about him though so I will try to track that down later.
Grape does seem a bit hot and bothered, in agreement with Tom. Everything ok mr fruit?
It is always the little things that make me know I am doing right despite being called weak. Have you noticed yet? You are all caught up in my pace and are exactly where I want you to be. Discussing me, giving opinions about the one known quantity I have so I can get deeper reads.
Give me a little rope and I will clear 4 townies and make a noose for a wolf by day's end. Feeling good about the say as it unfolds.
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My initial vote wasn’t “lynch this end the day now”, more it was “hmm I want to see what happens if I do this” with a side of “it Chris is scum then pegging him early would be funny”.
Basically Tom is saying everything I’ve trying to express but in quick snippets.
Sure.
So in post 12 Shin makes the type of comment that scumbuddies are not likely to make: pointless observational. He observes that Cantrip put "a lot of thought" into a post and I read that s a mild ping and genuine. These are the tiny things I like to look for and if Cantrip is scum I'd feel comfortable just clearing Shin based off of this. This is furthered by Cantrip word vomiting an explanation about how he compiled stats etc. Felt almost defensive, which again I would not expect from scumbuddies interacting early.
Another town point for Rhand: When I asked about Ruma he kind of looked at me as if to say "What the heck am I supposed to think, dude's done nothing" a non answer but one that is derived not from needing to appease me, but an attempt to be honest and open with their opinions - a hallmark of town.
Contrast this with Cantripmancer who provided an answer of "I was surprised he liked my #9." Or in another way, "I am a town member and I am expressing surprise that another player likes the content I have put forward" which to me does not seem genuine. It feels like he felt pressured to provide some sort of answer and gave the only thing he could think of - oh yeah he reacted to me, how zany.
I don't think it is AI but Lng basically telling GF "you aren't very good at this whole bragging thing" made me chuckle.
GF I see you are looking for tips not to be over confident. It's really easy, remember all of the times you sucked and then read the game naturally. It's what I do! I am always open to being wrong and I am statistically speaking one of the best players in the world when limitations on my time are not brutal. But it's like Baseball, Mike Trout succeeds like 48% of the time and he's the best.
Interestingly two people I am not fond of probably aren't aligned in Lng and GF after Lng's analysis of GF's play. Felt either like a genuine confusion on Lng's part or trying to sell that story to GF for him to be pocketed.
So Shadow is a strong town read because he seems invested in not even accepting an OK game from me, which would be very reckless as scum shadow because I believe shadow has been on the host or observer end of many of my best games, and if I remember right he had some very kind thoughts on my 2015 year where I hellmurdered scum just about every game I was town. So Shadow, being a chessmaster in his own right, wants his Queen to be as destructive as possible, or to find the smudge that reveals the white coat I claim to have is just a veneer for the dark heart underneath.
I love it because it is working, by the way. I have a busy schedule but I see Shadow's disappointment and it is just like "oh geesh I just can't abide such sadness at my play, guess I have to turn it up a couple more notches." Good show, Shadow, sometimes I forget just what a monstrous force I can be. Thank you for the motivation.
Cantrip/Silver probably unaligned based on Silver's keen observation about RVS unvoting and general vibe about the questioning.
i get a bad vibe from Will. That's the extent of that, but I am bookmarking that in my mind.
It'd be funny, following on Silver's point, if Ruma is scum with Cantrip and this epic RVS analysis by Silver which should probably never occur has beared fruit. Not sure where Silver's vote is now BUT you always go for cantrip over ruma I think, as Ruma's "sus" but not vote seems more likely to me to be wolf/wolf.
In fact feeling compelled to answer for ruma makes that make even more sense in theory, hoho it'd be scary if I was that good this early.
If that is true then Tubba is never aligned with them due to following up on that (GOOD question from Tubba btw, that's a very insightful question in my view so town points as that is not something that leaps off the page to many I feel like.)
Oh man Will has no experience with mafia. Nevermind he is town lol. I always easy gut check newbies. He feels like a tourist. "Oh man I can use smilies. How neat everyone"
GF hot take of "Cantrip seems pure" makes me question GF's ability or alignment, I don't know which though.
So yeah lots of interesting little interactions that once one scum domino falls should make things interesting.
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Hey, you're talking to a certified "Site Development Associate" now. (Which... you know, I probably won't put on my resume, but it counts for 3 credits so... *shrug*)
I'm trying to figure out why you defend Tubba that vigorously in that situation, and why Shadow jumps on quickly. The easiest answer is you two just decided to powerwolf this game. But if so, why defend Tubba and try to lynch me? Haven't worked that out yet.
@Chris, like, you broke down nearly everyone in that post but... no mention of Tom whatsoever. Why?
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You jumped on me directly after I voted Tubba with the reasoning that it was premature. Not straight up defending, but going on offense against me I see as defense for Tubba there.
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I think grapefruit is similar to last game which means he's just town, like hes literally not doing anything differently. Thought I guess his role last game could have made a difference. I can't however speak for how he is reading you because I am not a fan of his thought process there, I just don't think that alone is good enough for me to call him scum.
Its fine either way I enjoyed your post, part of me wants to sweep it under the rug for being a newer player but the amount of thought you put in that post says otherwise. I can tell later in the game I will have a hard time reading you.
You should have kept in mind the game had just started and was in a state of silliness.
Riku shows his true colors under pressure, like atleast i will be able to tell if hes town based on how he reacts to votes.
I kinda feel like voting Rhand is a cop out, no? Like atleast for not it seems to me those two are town even though chris is as arrogant as ever.
Not sure why you directed that question at Rhand of all people? Kinda feels like the post had its own scum agenda attached to it?
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Based on last game you both could easily buss so I don't buy this whatsoever.
Now only am i sick of the GF mislynches n1, kinda sick of people always using him as a cop out. Whats the explanation behind this vote?
I don't know much about chris, but this post is on a completely different level than what I saw from him in the last game as his scum buddy. Still don't understand the reasoning behind why my reaction to cantrip clears me, is there some meta thing behind it?
V/LA weekends.
First order of business is sorting my old scummates, since all of you were so eager to be obvious scum last time.
Haven't read anything, dunno if there are any outstanding questions @ my slot. Will probably be caught up in the next few hours.
Vaimes r Shinichi
Cantripmancer
Grapefruit21
Will-98
Rumanshi
Shadowlancerx
Sir Chris
LngrrrR
Silvercrys3467
Tubba Fett
tomsloger
Rhand
Votecount 1.4
Cantripmancer (2) - Will-98 (#38), Sir Chris (#231),
Sir Chris (2) - Cantripmancer (#230), Grapefruit21(#249)
Rhand (1) - Silvercrys3467 (#209)
LnGrrrR (1) - tomsloger (#144)
tomsloger (1) - LnGrrrR (#153)
Grapefruit21 (1) - Rhand (#268)
Not Voting: Rumanshi, Tubba Fett, Vaimes, shadowlancerx
Why isn't this easier.
Will is posting deliberately awful stuff if he's scum, and Ruma not trusting shadow rings sincere. Pretty weird line to take as scum, discrediting shadow but also not really.
Chris also seems town, but I'm gonna sit on that one for a bit. I know his weaknesses now.
/voting the first person to say “Vaimes is lockdown”
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Wolfy pop-in. I started responding to Chris, but ran out of time. tl;dr, I'm impressed by how much of what he posted sounds like he legitimately believes it, but if he's relying on me to be the wolf domino that topples the scum team, my flip is going to disappoint him. But either way, at this point, he's unlikely to back down on me, since his ego won't let him if he's town and if he's scum he knows his town ego won't let him, so I need to dissect the things he found of interest and try to see if I can see which mindset they come from.
I may not be able to post again for 12+ hours, so I wanted to reassure Chris that I'm not cowardly trying to hide in the shadows.
Fun fact: when I typed lynch on my iPhone, it suggested Vaimes as next word.
Like, if Cantrip is scum, it would be a pretty good way to brush off Chris here and dismiss him.
Actually, @cantrip, with the above taken into account, do you have that little faith in Chris correctly reading/faking a correct read on you here?
Silver, will, rhand, shadow,
Not particularly attracted to but dont want to permanently kick out of bed:
Chris, cantrip, vaimes?, [whoevers left]
Not interested:
Lngrr, grape
*tilts head*
I get the feeling you're about to have a very bad day in 12 hours time because I will say this: one of the hallmarks of my play, one of the things I hang my hat on as a player and that I am proud of, is that I have never been too bad to abandon a read and go "oh I messed this up, change of direction."
So... I wonder what scum buddy whispered in your ear to mistakenly make you have that opinion, sir.
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Which is to say I'm gonna ignore slash defend him for a bit. If needed.
Vote Rhand
Why would me spoiling the reasons be relevant?
Anyway Chris' increased activity and reasoning is reassuring.
Vote: Rhand